Hearing the Tasmanian devil "blu blah blew blah BLUE!" makes my day ready. Even though I'm older than him lol. *(watching these micro nerds go against each other feels like watching a crackhead on the corner run up and down the street) Daut is old and can't keep up with these young nerds lol. I know I can't even though I have been playing this game longer than all of them lol.
it was funny but unrealistic honestly, i doubt viper is gonna fall off the top 5 anytime soon, even with all the "washed up" talk lately just bc he isnt winning anymore the reality is that he's been in every big tournament semifinal or final for the last year and a half
I love how the GL guys can all trash talk each other without anyone getting salty. Shows the bond these guys have from playing together for so long. Even though Hera is new it feels like he's been in GL for years. Probably because he's known them for so long even though he wasn't in GL. Sick podcast Masmorra and Viper! Thanks as always brothers!
What the actual fk. How does Daut lose the game and still win? How does he comeback from a 4-0 in this manner and come out as a winner of the people. Daut might very well be him.
I would say Viper could still be at Heras level if he would ackknowledge that he gets older and needs to take care of his body to perform consistently over a longer duration. Generally: be sporty, eat well, hydrate, sleeping schedule; But more specifically: stand up between games, stretch, get circulation going, hydrate more than you think you need. The level is incredible and the concentration needed is insane. To perform on this level for hours you need to be either young, or do things to improve your bodies ability to concentrate. Nobody over 25 can hold this concentration while just sitting down in a chair. Actually I think Hera said he does things like pushing circulation between games to be as fresh as possible. That to say, its a commitment and a decision to have it and I dont know how far Viper wants to go for being the best. And cant blame him, he reached it all. But could be cool seeing him again at 110% now that the overall level is so high. I just want to see that guy dominating, its so fun. :D (Also Viper plays best if he just has fun and feels no pressure is my impression)
He will be a firsttime dad soon and it will be hard for him. I told him that 2-3 years ago but I think he isnt intrested in such advice, he need to learn by himself. Ageing and tiring in mind is something hard to feel and notice.
@@greenhouset23sJ9t65rululu Yeah, is bery difficult with aging. A human ages so fast. As an old guy myself I can say that after you hit 30 it's downhill very fast.
@@greenhouset23sJ9t65rululu as the saying goes, "You're always the last to know". Now obviously he is only 32 and you can see he is more than capable, getting 2nd place and played well. he is still easily 2nd best in the world. But he has also lost a bit of interest or drive and I think that also happens with age. He has the money now, he has accomplished everything, still gets 2nd place, can just stream for income, has a family on the way, all these things play a part. First 4 games were amazingly well played. If he just took a 5-10min break after this, just to try help him keep fresh. But also as he said, it was starting to get late for him in Europe compared to where Hera was. 3.5 hours of playing at the highest level is so tough. All these things playa a role.
Totally love Hera but I was going hard for Viper on this one after he cleared Daut. Viper was playing like an absolute legend in the final. Hera is hardcore though. Can't wait to see what's next.
viper losing to daut with armenians in his ONE practice match and then taking the same civ against hera is just such a viper thing lmfao he will gladly throw a set to attempt a mastapiece and i love him for it
These are always so good, respect to Viper taking part. The finals were some of the highest level aoe I've ever seen both played amazing. Do kind of hope Wesports can yoink Seb, ACCM and Andy or Vinch so we can get a new high level team rivalry as well.
Don't you think that older players may be losing an edge at some point? When the difference is small, every detail counts. In any case I do not think that anybody takes any merits to Hera, everyone said very clearly that he was the favourite.
I understand the argument against 3rd place matches from the player perspective, but it does give a nice event intro for the day so it doesnt immediately jump into the finals which can be good for tourney logistics
Fully agreed. Though Viper makes a good point about the Grand Final starting at a fixed time. Perhaps this can be solved by having the 3rd place be a recorded game so the organizer knows the duration.
I totally agree that it's a nice warm-up for the grand finals. Tournaments with only the finals always fell flat imo. Some hosts dislike 3rd place matches and opted for other stuff like special showmatches.
3rd place match might not matter for someone like TaToH who has a lot of S-tier experience, for Seb it's huge. Playing against the best of the best will help people develop into better players, $1,000 extra prize money is also huge for players who are part-time or have other traditional full-time jobs. Even if Seb had a bad draft in the semis like TaToH did, it's an opportunity for him to trial a new draft strategy straight away and learn. Instead of waiting weeks or months for another opportunity to draft against someone in the top 4. TaToH probably doesn't need to trial a new strat or wait that long to go up against another top 4 player. It also gives better viewership for tournaments which will hopefully entice sponsors to come on board so we can diversify from just Microsoft and community donos.
The community can't lose DauT Editor: When talking about games it's cool to see the game but can we keep the webcams of everyone on the screen too please
damn that arena game, without Viper throwing there is see him making something happen in a game 9, but hera just too strong in making maximum use of little mistakes, great tournament and great results for the GL guys
@@nenhumnome4149 I disagree. First of all he had to have more bbc and secondly he threw all his halbs for no reason at all. As Viper said himself, he didn't have to force an issue and he was super impatience, just kept doing castles and taking every fight instead trying to get to houfnice. Those 3 bbc wouldn't have lost him the game if he didn't do other big mistakes, but combined with others it was gg
I think Daut lied about Hera naming all his units. :( One time Hera said that it's ok to let your castle get killed and that it's not your pet. This kind of hurtful talk about one of the best units in the game is unforgiveable.
The grand final was amazing, viper may have had 1 bad game in the series but honestly could have gone either way, the goat nearly took it, I really believe hera and viper are just a simple coin toss now. Seb is looking good and interested in his performance in red bull potentially new top 5 player
The Arabia game was the one terrible game by Viper, but I don't agree it's a toss-up. It was 5-3, not 5-4. Hera is still a bit better and more consistent. Hera did much better in the games he eventually lost than Viper in the games he lost. And the mangonel / bbc micro was clearly better for Hera, and it's not just that shot on Arena that won him the game.
@@rolandxb3581 agreed. Also he won one game with chinese having tons of res collected just because of civ is OP and hera still had chinese not picked. So it would have been 6:3 if played longer. And to be fair, hera did amazing job holding chinese with that res difference, made out a game of it.
It still feels so much GL vs Hera. Just strange to see Viper, Tatoh and Daut discussing why one of the strategies that they put together jointly has worked against Hera or hasn't. I mean Daut was even in the same bracket as Viper...
It was the same before Hera: Daut, TaToH and Jordan always were trying to beat Viper. That dynamic is just the recognition that Hera is currently the No. 1
A great tournament all around! Many great and competitive sets, plus a standout performance from Sebastian and a worthy Grand Final! Congrats to Hera and also congrats to Viper who played a very close set :) Daut awesome as always! 04:50 "Oh I will show up for this, don't you worry. You're losing, I'm there"
Man Tattoh is what a real player should be , as my father called football players of hes time , (70s, 80s) romantic players , they play for the game and not for the money. Thats the way it should be. But today's world just facked up everything. Still , greatfull there are still people like that
Nope. 1 extra vil of TC training time will only speed up the game by 30 seconds and take away the strategic decision of when to actually get loom. So this is just net negative suggestion.
@@vanguardguides8768 The suggestion comes from the comment they did when talking about mayans. They assume that, at least in Arabia, you can get away without loom and that makes the civs with extra vills stronger than the norm. It has nothing to do with playtime
we usually never see Viper go Spear or pike but out of these 6 games, we see Viper make pike man upgrade in 3 games, its very rarely so im wondering if Viper didnt make Pike and make other units to fight against Hera's Scout, not sure waht is the outcome 18:00 the main reason Viper lose in Game4 is because of the middle GOLD, he run out of gold, so Berber has more gold, he can out number Viper by Gold Collection not really because Berber is cheap, BerBer is cheap will only draw 50:50 against Viper
And in all those years when Hera was grinding and learning from the likes of Viper Tatoh and Daut, they got old. Hera is not even 25 right? obviously the mentality will be different now. Take prime Viper of 25 YO, he will swipe the floor with prime Hera any day of the week.
@@FaTal_AxE That's apples and oranges imho, like comparing star football players of different eras. The game itself is played differently now and has shifted tremendously over the years. I also think that prime Viper's competition was nowhere near what Hera is facing these days. I think it would be a very close and interesting match.
I think it's a very fair assessment. Hera is without any doubt the peak of AoE2, no player has achieved the level Hera is playing at the moment. However, Viper didn't have to. In Viper's prime, he was already completely sweeping the floor with any and all competition, so much so that even his fans were begging him to lose a tournament to spice things up (a similar thing is starting to happen with Hera now). If there is no competition, there is also no innovation, there's no drive to get better, no player at the same skill level to practice against and learn with. Prime Hera vs prime Viper would push each other to play better consistently and it could go either way. The age card is definitely valid, the dude is playing with a tumour in his hand and has a kid about to pop out, that wasn't a factor back then, you can't say that's not a factor now.
What Sebastian is doing now by learning from Hera gameplay , Hera did that with Viper. He literally copied his style and got here at this level. Not taking anything away from Hera, but that's the fact. As Daut mentioned back in the day, Viper would make the opponent work for killing every unit, he would have enough army at every place to defend, as Hera does it now. and Viper did all that before DE, imagine if he didnt have the age factor and wrist injury, He would be so much better right now with no one ever close to beating him. Yes Hera could potentially have come close, but IMO theViper will remain no 1.
In regards to the conversation that starts around 34:43, as a former tournament organizer for Smash Bros. games (which are traditionally double-elimination), I also take issue with the "3rd place match" that seems very prevalent in AoE2 tournaments. It is essentially looking at the players who lose in the semi-finals of a single-elimination tournament and saying "okay, but not for you guys, for you guys EXCLUSIVELY, this is actually a double-elimination tournament". The justification of 3rd place paying more money is flimsy at best because the alternative is to simply have a tie for 3rd place and pay them equally. With this in mind, playing the 3rd place match would feel to players like fighting just to REMAIN at 3rd place and not lose some of your prize pool, rather than playing to advance and win more prize pool; "you've already achieved 3rd place, now try not to lose it". I believe the real reason for it is so that there IS a distinct 3rd and 4th position in the final standings, but if you want that, in my opinion, have the final bracket be 8-man double-elimination instead of 16-man single-elimination. It's kind of like Thursday Night Football in the NFL. The players hate it and it's bad for their mental and physical health, but fans want football on Thursdays. Players surely don't enjoy having to play a 3rd place match, but we want to see a distinct top 4, not a top 2 and a tie for 3rd, so tournament organizers feel a need to have it for appearances' sake in a single-elimination bracket. I had a similar issue with how Nation's Cup 2023 was handled last year. I don't think that a single game win in a best of 7 series holds the same advantage as every other team having a second life, and it felt like punishing the team that performed the best on the winners side. Traditionally in a double-elimination bracket, if the player or team coming from the losers side wins in the grand final, there is a second, sudden death grand final series played with both participants now having lost one series.
Viper already dropped out of some tournaments that will be taking place around the timenhis kid will be born. It's been a running joke on his stream that once the kid is born he won't have time for aoe.
Even if Viper had won the Arena game and we went to game 9, then that would have been Land Madness. That's one of Hera's best maps and he also had Chinese available. So advantage still him I'd say.
yes !!! After watching warlords 3 all week I wanted some more content to bring closure to it. I've been waiting all day to hear more discussion around it. Not to mention the obvious delight of having both finalist for such video. Thanks GL ! Congratz Hera ! You are as good as ever ! Let's get to 8 in a row now ! Comiseration Viper, nobody likes to lose in a final, but you sure showed us a top level and a set to be remembered.
Great content guys, and special thanks to the players who made it to it even after many hours of playing. Sadly viper on top of tired had kinda the fresh wounds, and yet provided some insight /review. Again mad props to you all for coming together, stay strong GL! Now up to RBW let’s gooooo
