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If you guys remember in the first one, their avatars were created with Navi dna and their own. So their avatar bodies weren’t really like the Navi because they grown in the lab. So because Kiri was born from Grace’s avatar, she is still considered a half breed because Grace’s avatar had human dna (hence why they all have 5 fingers). I believe Kiri’s “father” was Eywa. Even though the transfer didn’t work I believe Ewya gave Grace’s avatar a child.
Yes, in the first movie they even called Jake Sully's avatar a demon because he had four fingers. All the Navi have three fingers, and since Navi have "sex" with their weird umbilical hair, the only sexual intercourse Grace has was with Awah. It's only 28:30 in the video right now, maybe they'll remember this vague specific detail by the end and realize that the adopted daughter is born from a human chimaera and a literal god of life. Edit: it is now 40:00, they understand!
Just to point out though, Neteyam and Tuk seem to take after Neytiri more than Jake because they have traditional Na'vi features like only having 3 fingers and they have no eyebrow hair. They still have human dna in there somewhere from Jake but I guess not enough to show physically. Lo'ak and Kiri are the only kids with visible "demon blood" I agree though about Kiri because I think that she's basically the avatar for Eywa herself
@@rorydakin8048 They don't have intercourse with their Queues, they do the same as humans, they just attach their queues to enhance the activity by sharing their thoughts and sensations.
@@skills4u2envy All of them have 5 fingers. the only one in the family who has 4 fingers is Neytiri. They explicitly showed the audience that all of them have 5 fingers. The brother raised his middle finger in front of Quaritch and you can clearly see that they have 5 fingers.
I'm not sure where y'all get the idea that the N'avi mate through their hair. The hair is a mental link they can use with creatures and each other, But they also have mommy and daddy parts. It even shows them in the first Avatar ( in a PG 13 way) getting it on.
People just don’t pay attention that’s what. It was a crude joke meant to take the movie down when all the Avatar hate was high, and it just caught on and people forgot that it was only something used to make fun of it and started believing that was the case and confused a bunch of people genuinely trying to understand the movie. Now fans like you and me have to do damage control and give long winded explanations to try and fix it. 😕
I definitely love how you realised the slight hypocrisy when it came to Spider being left behind (and yeah there wasn't a lot they could do) and how it impacted the Sully kids more than the parents. While Jake and Neytiri may have not seen Spider as their kid, they definitely saw Spider as their brother at the least.
As soon as I heard Jake call him a stray cat, I was like so what does that make you Jake? At least he's an actual child, with a mind perfect for molding. you were a grown ass man when your mind was chnaged Only difference is that Jake can "pass" as Navi, even tho he's still called a demon with his pinky
@@Thebeezzkneezz. Jake never disliked Spider, the stray cat thing isn't an insult at all, he even says it with a fun tone of voice bc it's just related to how he comes to play with his kids, nothing about him as a person. Neytiri is the one that disliked him and while it's dumb to hate a nice kid and just for being human when so was (is) Jake, it still makes sense for her character bc it's supposed to be this way, her response to human isn't based in logic but a purely emotional thing thanks to all the trauma humans have caused her, making her to not like to see one.
@JR Lombardi tbh with you, I always thought that Neytiri hating Spider (since he was literally an innocent boy) was stupid and hypocritical of her, bcs she became literal soulmates with Jake, they even had kids and all this after she knew he was human and after she forgave him for basically destroying her home and being the cause of he father's death. So I always thought- so you can forgive Jake who was a grown a$$ man, who lied to you for MONTHS, while also knowing he was a human who was well aware of what he was doing... a human who (at the time, might not even have known the mating was for life) did horrible things you forgive but have hatred towards an innocent boy you don't know??? But for some reason after seeing your comment, now I think of her response as valid. Bcs in her eyes, she fell in love with the Avatar Jake, not the human. So when she saw his human form, she associated the Avatar Jake with the human Jake. Not vice-versa, like we (the audience & the humans) did. And as the last nail in the coffin, she got to stay with Avatar Jake, so she literally barely knew him as the human he always was. She saw Spider as a human boy from the get go, so her negative feelings never changed, she just had Avatar-glasses when she was with Jake. So now I'm actually interested how they'll tie all this up together with Jake's past (since Jake Cameron has said they'll explore Earth somewhere along the way) & Spider being a human with Neytiri's growth as a character. Lol sorry, rant over.
@@Rox7ne ohh, I'm glad to know James said that, I thought we needed more development from earth this movie so it's great to hear we'll get that later on.
They have actual sex organs. They just connect their braids to have a deeper mental and emotional connection. That's what some of the actors in the movie said in an interview anyway.
The queues (hair) for the Na'vi are not how they traditionally have sex, they have sex like humans/mammals and that's how they reproduce. Their queue is how they bond, and certain bonds are for life like between Na'vi.
I really love that you guys like Spider. He gets a lot of hate haha And your point at the 41 minute mark is so true. Of course he's going to bond with Quaritch, or anyone who gives him any kind of affection, since he's never had real parents and nobody cared enough to rescue him. I wish more people understood that! Can't wait to watch the next part!
That entire final sequence of the kids saving their parents is one of the greatest things I've ever seen in a theatre. The amount of people crying in my imax reminded me of when I watched Interstellar and the screenings were full of people just being emotionally destroyed by the film 😂
THANK YOU for understanding just how complex and confusing Spider's relationships are! He wants so badly to be part of the Na'vi, but none of the responsible adults actually ever took charge of him. Haven't watched the second half of your reaction yet, so I hope you keep up that mindset, but I love Spider, he's such a sympathetic and conflicted character.
I watched this in IMAX 3D and it was so beautiful my theatre was packed and loud!!I waited 13 years for this and James Cameron didn’t disappoint I love the whole world of pandora it’s so amazing how everything is alive and connected, in the first movie they cut a lot out and it made the humans look like they just wanted the metal but the metal was expensive and needed because it created energy for earth now they’re back to just straight up live there it’s probably the only livable planet humanity has found with water we need water and they have it
28:50 Avatars are biologically made by mixing Na'vi and human DNA specifically the human DNA of the one who is piloting the avatar. All avatars have 5 fingers, all Na'vi only have 4. Jake Sully having an avatar body had sex with Neytiri so all of their kids are half-breeds. Kiri's mother is the avatar of the human scientist (Sigourney Weaver). The avatar was the one who is pregnant and not the human scientist plus she died during the first film and left her avatar unconscious. The biological mother is the avatar not the human. No human can deliver a Na'vi baby which is roughly half their size. I hate that they are arguing over a topic that is so blatantly obvious throughout two films. They should've rewatched the first film because them not remembering is preventing them from enjoying this film entirely. They're preoccupied with this topic which was thoroughly explained (heavy exposition) within the two films.
This movie really needs to be seen in 3d to truly be appreciated for the visual masterpiece that it is. Saw it in Imax 3d and the Dolby 3d and I was in awe both times.
I agree though I don't do imax anymore, it's just too big. I don't want to physically turn my head to see one side of the screen so I'm now missing the action on the other side.
Fully agree. I usually watch movies always in 2D and am not a huge 3D fan but I'm so glad I watched this in 3D because it was so so magical and realistic like actually watching a different world happen right in front of your eyes
How did you miss Spider's entire introduction, Jake says he was orphaned by the war and was raised by the remaining scientists. The Sully's kids and spider just grew up together and played together. Jake and Neytiri don't think of him as their son, Jake even calls him a "stray cat" that just comes running whenever. Of course they weren't going to risk the life of their family for "the kid who lives down the street". By the end, Jake's thoughts on Spider have shifted somewhat - to what extend we'll find out in the sequel.
Spider was never raised by the sully’s jake said so himself at the start “ he was always around” he mostly inserted himself with the sully kids but he was raised by the scientists at hell’s gate. It’s not that they don’t care about him per se, but Jake thought more about his own kids safety, probably also thought that since that was quaritch spider didnt face as much danger as his own family did, or that’s at least my take. Neytiri doesn’t give a damn and I can’t blame her after all she’s been thru
Kiri's mom's avatar had five fingers. Only the natives have 4. The avatars of the sky people are made from mixing the genes of the natives with the genes of humans. That then makes a "connection" which allows them to have the ability to switch conciousness between their human body and their avatar. A theory I read a while ago said something about Kiri being the daughter of Eywa (their deity) and that when the Navi tried to transfer Grace's soul to her avatar, it didn't work but instead a baby was formed. That's why Jake in the beginning said that Kiri was born from Grace's avatar not from her human form.
That "four fingers" line confused me too until i searched and found out that sometimes they dont lable thumb as finger. So normal Na'vi would have three fingers excluding the thumb whereas Avatar would have four fingers excluding the thumb.
Avatar 3 is already filmed. It's in post-production. Coming in December 2024 They filmed some scene for Avatar 4 as well just to avoid the mistakes Stranger Things did.
The only possible way to TRULY watch and experience this film is in IMAX 3D! I sat next to someone who actually wiped their 3D glasses because they thought there was actually rain in the theater. James Cameron is THE MASTER of immersing the audience into his films.
loved the reaction! I just think you guys should have watched the first one to remember some things, like the issue of avatar DNA being different from na'vis
So for the fingers thing, Jake does have 4 fingers and a thumb, because his avatar does have human genes splice in, that’s how the connection process worked, so he can pass down the 4 fingers genes to his kids which the youngest son and both daughters have
Hey guys, great reaction, i love all your videos, about the Kiri and Mixed DNA things, Avatars are already a mix between a human dna and Navi DNA, that's why they can link minds, you wouldn't be able to link your mind with an Avatar unless it already has your DNA code, you the reason Kiri has mix Blood, it's because she was born out of an Avatar's body with already mix DNA, also, yeah, Grace died and they tried to save her trasspaing her mind to her avatar body, this didn't work, but in the little ritual, Eywa (the Na'vi people goddess, that it's actually Pandora's interconected biological system...{{i don't know How yo describe It}}, but Na'vi people see it as a goddess), impregnated Grace's Avatar body, so...Kiri has no father, she is the daughter of Eywa "herself".
Great movie and to be fair, they didn't actually start filming until 2017. James Cameron wrote Avatar 2-5 scripts back to back and was waiting for the technology to develop to properly motion capture under water.
Damn, you really should have rewatched the first one before watching this. Also, they don’t use their ponytails for sex, they have regular human like genitalia. The pony tail bond is just a mental connection that is not related to sex in anyway. It’s something that lets you connect to the mind of your partner, which is something that would be fun to do during sex.
I saw this one in 3D in the theater. I still see movies in 3D because it doesn't cost me any extra with my AMC A-List subscription. I like 3D in recent years because they've learned how to do it right. It enhances the story instead of just being a gimmick with "poke you in the eye" effects. As a 3D artist myself that was a big deal to me.
This film has made over $2.3 billion as of this date. Pandora is a whole planet with environments as diverse as Earth's. We've only seen a small part of it. There's probably polar regions, deserts, volcanos, etc. Probably as many different tribes as their are nations on Earth. But the common connection with Eywa would makes things different. As far as Kiri's birth goes, Eywa couldn't transfer Grace's conciousness into her avatar. But Grace still became one with Eywa. Remember Jake tells Eywa that Grace is in there with her and to access her memories to see what happened to Earth. I believe Eywa did the next best thing for Grace and caused her avatar body to become pregnant with with a child that has Grace's soul if not her memories. So, in a way, Kiri is the daughter of Grace and Eywa. BTW, the ponytails aren't sex organs. They are mental links. Imagine being able to comunicate with mind of the person you're having sex with. Takes it to a level beyond physical.
Been looking forward to this one :) Btw, I think you'll find Na'vi 'make babies' more or less the same way as humans, hence the coverings. The whole ponytail thing is just a way to connect thoughts, feelings/emotions, memories etc, like they do with the animals and spirit trees.
I'm sure you find out later or someone else will comment, but the Avatars have five fingers like humans. Navi only have four. So, I doubt Grace was having mixed-species shenanigans. haha
They don't have intercourse with their Queues, they do the same as humans, they just attach their queues to enhance the activity by sharing their thoughts and sensations.
Awesome reaction guys, The Way of Water for me was more than worth the wait and James Cameron was right not to rush the sequels and take his time to perfect them. Tuk is my favourite of the Sully kids she's adorable and Quaritch is a even better villain in his new body. Cannot wait for part 2 of your reaction, the 3rd action of this movie is EPIC trust me!
The first Avatar was (imo) the first 3D movie that actually made the 3D worthwhile, as opposed to just having gimmick shots of stuff being thrown at the audience.
I loved it. It's not perfect, but the visuals are damn near the best I've ever seen. It bums me that there are so many haters, but seeing the money talk makes me happy that there are still other movies in the queue.
“Is there a fire nation?” yes!! It’s gonna be one of the tribes we meet in the next movie! They are called the ash people and James Cameron kinda described them as different from others we met so far, so they are gonna be a “bad clan” or at least he said he is gonna show the “bad sides of the Na’vi”
25:07 Neytiri had the chance to get Spider back but she doesn't care about him, because he's human. Jake doesn't want to risk going head on, worse yet, with Quaritch back, that would be suicide. So he needs to be careful.
If I recall the Navi bodies were genetically engineered mixing human dna of a person and that of Navi dna which is how there able to exist in that certain body. And the best way to describe graces daughter it’s basically like the Star Wars version of a chosen one!! When grace and her avatar were joined by the massive mystical energy life form a seed was planted in the still living avatar
Fun fact! Na'vi actually mate regularly just like humans. However, when they join their queues (the nerves in their hair that connect to the brain), it's just a ritual to join their minds. Purely for tradition! So, because of this, when they join their queue with an animal, it's nothing like mating, its just to join minds and get the animal to listen to their commands.
The cool thing about the movie is they are actually talking in the navi language but the they basically hear it as English and so do we I’m sure a lot of people don’t wanna read subtitles lol
na’vi reproduce like every other animal, but tsahaelu, the bond, is more of emotional bonding rather than sexual reproduction, and it’s doesn’t impregnate them
I saw the first Avatar (2009) 28 times in theatres (26 Times in IMAX 3D). The problem with 3D movies is they were rushed out and not properly shot on 3D cameras. People just assumed that you put something in 3D it would work. James Cameron treats 3D with respect so it's really great on his Avatar Films. I saw Avatar: The Way of Water 8 times in IMAX 3D and I loved it as well. If I had to choose which film is better, then it would be Avatar. I feel though this one is really setting up the sequels so it doesn't feel as "Complete" story wise as the first one felt. However, still loved it and can not wait to visit Pandora again soon! Edit: They filmed Avatar: The Way of Water and Avatar 3 back to back. So Avatar 3 is essentially all shot. They had even shot some of Avatar 4 as well. Also, Na'vi do not use their ques to mate. They simply enhance the experience. They mate the same as humans. Edit: 2 - The Avatar's are a Mix of Human and Na'vi DNA. So the Avatars have four fingers + Thumb and the Na'vi have three fingers plus Thumb. Jake an Avatar mated with Neytiri a Na'vi. Their Kids: Tuk (Youngest and only Biological daughter) has three fingers and a thumb and no eyebrows like her mom (Neytiri). Neteyam (Oldest son, has three fingers and no eyebrows like his mom. Lo'ak (Youngest son) has four fingers plus a thumb and eybrows like his dad (Jake). Kiri born of Grace's Avatar also has four fingers plus a thumb and eyebrows, like Grace's Avatar does.
@@mfmaximus8603 if he has the money to do it then who cares how he spends it as long as he's not buying black tar heroin I think he's fine. Also this was back in 2009 and imax was like 14 to 17 USD so if he really did go see it 28 times without large popcorn and drink it would be around 470 to 490 USD which is about the same amount as a new gen console
Trust me, watching avatar the way of water in 3D is a must, people will watch movies in 3D if it’s really good, and avatar the way of water has the best 3D ever
37:36 I always got the impression that it was used for a mental connection to things. In the case of Jake and Neityri in the 1st movie, they had a mental connection, being able to understand and feel each other's feelings.
Avatars and navi are the technically the same species but their physiology is different for example "a lion and a tiger, both are cats but they are not the same species", but one key difference is that avatars have eyebrows and four fingers navi only have 3 fingers and no eye brows. Out of the 3 biological kids of Jake and neteyri, loak is the only one that inherited Jake's avatar traits, Neteyam and tuk inherited more from their mother and Kiri inherited graces avatar traits. So that's what they meant when they said hybrid all they got to do is check the fingers but again it's just a genetic trait it doesn't necessarily mean all avatar/navi hybrids have 4 fingers some do and some don't lol
@@omokoyejoakinfenwa4453 A thumb is not a finger. Humans have 4 fingers and Na'vi have 3. You could say Avatars have 5 DIGITS, but to say 5 fingers is wrong.
If we follow logic, Quaritch will see that the people in the sky don't give a damn about his wealth with the Sully's and won't invest in another attack against them because he wants it that way, therefore, Quaritch will see that none of this is worth it anymore and that perhaps he is even a target of the people of sky. So in the next film, either Quaritch will have redemption or he will join the tribe of cannibals and lead another attack and then end up dying, it's 8 or 80.
I'm gonna settle this once and for all. It has been confirmed on the Avatar website that the Na'vi in fact do have sex organs. The male genitalia retracts into their body and is protected by a layer of fat. The bond (tsaheylu) or "connecting braids" is their way of bonding emotionally and spiritually. They can feel what the other feels. It is so strong it lasts a lifetime. They mate for life.
I think Jake and the children have four fingers and a thumb because they all have partial human DNA. The Avatars were grown as Navi and human hybrids and the reason Kiri is special is because Grace merged with the spirit tree so she has an enhanced connection with the environment.
This movie is an excellent sequel to the first one. There is a through storyline with Na'vi vs Humans, but it's going much deeper now into more about Pandora and how it's all connected. The best way to have seen this is on the IMAX or a large screen because it truly is emmersive. I like that it was focused a bit more on the kids and going to the water tribe was a great change as well. Such care and creativity was taken with it's society and the under water flora and fauna. I don't know if you covered it in the second part but Kiri (Grace's kid) is IMO an emmisary created by Ewa when they were trying to get Grace into her Avatar. She is really connected to the planet. To me that's when Kiki was created. You guys didn't comment when in the forest when she was sleeping there was a pulsing of the wind like a heartbeat and those kinda jellyfish things collected on her. She's able to adapt easily to the water because of her connection to the Ewa. A lot of discussion and speculation could have been avoided if you guys rewatched the first before this. The Avatars are genetic hybrids of human and Na'vi DNA. So they are mixed. Sully and Neyteri's kids are one quarter human. I don't believe that the tail/ fiber thing is at all meant for sex. It like an extra sensor or conduit for bonding. It's not a reproductive organ, but I'm sure it'll enhance any intercourse they have.
as a native american, we have the 3 sisters rock formation in the navajo reservation, so its very surprising for the navi to have a 3 brothers rock formation
Spider wasn't raised by Jake and Neytiri, they said he was raised by the scientists that stayed in Pandora (as Max, Norm, etc), he was just their kids's friend so they obviously won't be as worried for him as for their kids, for them he's just a little kid that uses to play with theirs, ofc they won't like him getting kidnapped but as that's a horrible thing to happen to anyone, it's not like they have a deeper connection with him as the kids have.
BLEEEEH i love these 2 but thos was kind of AGONY.....the back n forth for the ENTIRE VIDEO about something that was explained at least twice i caught was MADDENING 🤣
So about Na’vi reproduction (nothing graphic): Na’vi sex works the same way as human sex, however mates will connect their kurus (the neural whip) to heighten the experience and share feelings/sensations between them (This also means that thankfully bonding with an animal on Pandora is not a sexual act either)
