was i wrong about Interstellar? (we argue) 

When Matthew comes back he realizes that the special thing he had with his daughter was not saved by his sacrifice. And the one relationship he can save is the one with Ann Hathaway.

I think the issue is that a lot of people(people like me) do feel and understand the emotional impact the movie is going for. It just seems like the movie takes a very convoluted way to get there. Also a Climax that is focused more on the emotional Impact at cost of the grounded realism doesn't seem to gel with the rest of the film that had such a strong focus on the grounded and realistic potrayal of Science and Space in the movie.

@@kingkiller5325 I didn't find it grounded in realism all that much. There's funny robot, weird physics, magical wormhole with an infinite book-shelf, interdimensional handshakes, there's people believing Matt Damon can be a good person, just all kinds of sci-fi silliness (non-deragatory). It is not a space-opera, I'll give you that, but other than that it checks all the boxes in the science fiction genre. I hate to make this comparison but it's more Lem, than it is George Lucas. And even so, themes aren't and never were a thing that only non-realistic movies can have. Realism is just a way stories are told. The feeling of isolation and loneliness and togetherness are conveyed well through many instruments of sound-design, music, storytelling and visual elements all throughout the movie from beginning to the end. And I don't see the divide of real and unreal, there's always a mesh of both, just like in any other fiction. That's what I think about people saying that interstellar's realism interferes with the message: no, I don't think it ever does. And the other thing is - the whole discussion about how realistic "the science" of the movie is, with black hole, space-time equation and what-not isn't even something that an average viewer is going to notice. This discussion was started as a part of marketing in the first place. It was AROUND the movie, not inside of it.

@@choiseoffortuneful It was way more grounded in realism than your Average Sci Fiction(Or rather Fantasy) movie in it's first 2/3rds. The Robots in Interstellar have especially been lauded for bieng a more realistic and grounded take on Robots rather than Just another Humanoid robot like C3PO. The Wormhole wasn't Magical. It was again one of the most realistic depictions of a Wormhole derived from the Work of renowned Physicist Kip Thorne. Same with the Black Hole and the concept of Time Dilation resulting from increased Gravity. The Infinite Book Shelf I agree wasn't realistic but it was in the 3rd act and part of the problem I am describing. So it's safe to say that in it's first 2/3rd the movie was very realistic. Or atleast tried to be. It very clearly tried be and was more reminiscent of a film like 2001: A Space Odessey. (Not in tone but in terms of the realistic potrayal of Technology) I never claimed that Themes were a thing that only Non-realistic films could have. My point was that the theme Interstellar tried to go for in it's last 1/3rd came at the cost of the realism that was central to the movies narrative and potrayal up until that point. In other words it's themes and narrative conflicted at each other. Otherwise look at a film like The Martian. It's a very realistic Science Fiction film. It's also a thematically rich film. But it never sacrifices the realism that it used to potray it's world for the sake of it's themes. It stays consistent im both throughout. Wether viewers would recognize how realistic the science of Interstellar is irrelevant. What matters is does it stay narratively consistent in it's potrayal of Science. Because if it's not than the narrative isn't consistent which becomes a problem. Imagine if at the end of Saving Private Ryan Tom Hanks just grabbed a machine Gun like Rambo killed a bunch of Nazi's and then grabbed a Few grenades jumped into the Nazi Tank and sacrificed himself to take out the tank and save Private Ryan. Now this ending would still thematically make sense with the rest of the movie playing into themes of Heroism and Sacrifice and cost of War. And you could argue that the Average viewer wouldn't notice the realistic potrayal of War in the movie. But it would still not make sense to you would it that a movie that had so realistically potrayed War combat up until now suddenly turned in a Generic Nic Cage Action movie.

@@kingkiller5325 I don't agree with most your points here, but I don't want to spend too much time rebuking each and every one, so long story short: I didn't even know about Kip Thorne before this comment, it's a knowledge from outside the movie, therefore it doesn't really contribute to feeling of realism, because it was a weird scene altogether; I fully disagree with the notion that interstellar borrows aesthetic realism from odyssey, odyssey isn't realistic in the slightest, they're alike only in terms of structure, but they speak different languages and care for different themes; robots aren't even remotely realistic here, they're extremely goofy, they're functional, but that's not the same as real, and in, god forgive me, star wars c3p0 isn't the only robot, there's all sorts of weirdo designs there, doesn't make them feel or look real though, does it; comparison with saving private Ryan is just ridiculous, I'm not touching that; wether viewers recognize how realistic the movie is - is the only thing that matters, because narrative consistency of a movie isn't a binary, isn't an absolute and isn't a formula, it fully depends on perception and how you see the movie, for example I didn't perceive the things that you describe as inconsistent, and you did, I love the movie and you don't, and neither of us is wrong, therefore perception mattered; and also poking holes in consistency of a genre is not the best kind of art critique, at least in my opinion, since tonal shifts can serve as an emphasis to what message the movie is trying to convey, and it is not as rare an occurrence as you're trying to convey with your saving private Ryan example. There's a bunch of examples to the contrary: inglorious bastards, from dusk till dawn, sunshine, a bunch of subversive comedic movies, etc. And its' not unlike Nolan to do tonal and genre shifts, it is a tool he uses on regular since the prestige. That being said, I'm not convinced by your comment that interstellar's tone is inconsistent. It is, as I said before, both believable and unbelievable, if you choose to dig for inconsistencies, that is, throughout the entirety of its' runtime, it wholy depends on perception. I don't think that it is a movie you should analyze for consistency of its' science, because science isn't part of its' cinematic language. Score, sound, frame, cuts and everything else is. It is science fiction to its' core, it is not a cosmic opera though. You either feel the movie or you don't for whatever reason. And I do believe that you could, if you wanted, to poke the same kinds of holes in saving private ryan or in space odyssey as well, if you wanted to. This is the last message I'm going to write in this thread. Thanks for your time.

Same! My first viewing of Interstellar I was a sobbing mess. I saw it literally 2 days after my sister died. My mom had died months earlier so the entire year of 2014 was a mess. We had to get out of the house before grief consumed us and we chose to watch the “entertaining escape” that is Interstellar… huge miscalculation but it was also incredibly cathartic by the end.

Just had to comment to appreciate a fellow lover of the Hyperion Cantos. Possibly my favorite books of all time. The juxtaposition of sci-fi on a truly epic scale, with a story so intimate in its emotions… that’s also what I so appreciate about Interstellar. Granted, I don’t think Interstellar can stand beside the Hyperion stories, but that’s not saying a lot considering just how immense of an experience the Cantos is.

thanks we plan on it!

Never thought i'd ever see Berserk in the same sentence as fun and joy

Anne Hathaway was right in the end, even though her boyfriend died on the best planet before they could reach him.

True

It does good what science fiction usually does bad and vice versa emotional intelligence is a real thing btw

@@poposterous236 yeah but it's mostly used as a buzzword by women who always describe relationships as being "complicated"

It’s almost as if “logic” and emotional intelligence aren’t mutually exclusive

The theme of love almost certainly resonates with anyone who has a heart, people just need to understand that some ways of communicating that idea just won't get some people. Sometimes, it's not us that don't get the movies, it's the movies that don't get us. Ik it's trivial but too many times, people say this kinda stuff, even out of politeness but they don't really realize how egocentric of a view it could be.

also I'd love to see y'all talk about Tenet, I'm the insane Nolan hater who thinks Tenet is underrated and one of his better movies and would love to see the takes about that glorious vibe-y mess of a flick

​@@djspacewhaleI'm the opposite. As a big Nolan fan Tenet is probably his only film I dislike.

also I wonder, with what you said about the movie being made around moments (and it's definitely true), that he wrote it following kubricks non-submerisble units method

we have it on blu ray - been waiting for a long afternoon to watch it lol

If I remember correctly the beacon had been sent off - we unfortunately learn the reality of what happened, however.

@@kyleliegel But like they could check out all the other planets first and it would only be like a few minutes longer for the people on that planet.

@@5Amigos32 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dykzs40b3zo.html This scene addresses what you are speaking to, which may add I think is a valid point. They discuss the pros and cons of going to Miller's planet and come up with a plan based on the assumption Miller is okay and the planet is very habitable. May or may not work for you.

@@5Amigos32 You say that as though they had the fuel to do it.

@@kyleliegelexactly. That one was the most hopeful, had evidence of water, atmosphere, and organic material, and the beacon was set off, while the others could be a complete bust. For all they knew they could check the one and be done. Why would you check all the dead planets before checking the most hopeful one?

That being said, I also totally get why the movie doesn't work for people. It just sweeps me up in the idea of love though. Very excited to rewatch it now that I have become a dad.

You have 4 Nolan films in your top 9?

@@Petjuspelailee yes I have interstellar at 9 Oppenheimer at 8 inception at 2 and my favorite movie of all time is the dark Knight

@@JACKSUCKSATPOPUPlRATE lord have mercy watch some movies friend

@@JACKSUCKSATPOPUPlRATE LMAOOOOO

@@Petjuspelailee I have seen over 300 hundred movies my opinions ain't changing

No, it is a bad/ corny line trying to be a great line and it comes off as a joke.

@@DanLyndon where's your source to back that up, Dan? you need to link a research paper from a school like harvard, go, chop chop 👏

@@johncra8982 I could get a dictionary and show you the definition of corny lol.

@@DanLyndon hmmm idk Dan, you'll have to work a bit harder. we're talking real, serious, rigorous research and sourcing here. but I see marcello mastroianni in your pfp, I know you can do it! chop chop 👏

@@DanLyndon No, it isn't

That's exactly my problem with most Nolan films. They are very self serious and pretentious, while also being heavy handed and dumbed down.

redditor moment

@@DanLyndon yeah it's a weird mix that really drags down a bunch of his movies. i was pleasantly surprised by how much i liked oppenheimer though, another movie that i would describe as self serious. my guess is that it being based on a book, nolan didn't have room to go crazy with his novel concepts, which is what ultimately ends up coming across as undercooked and dumbed down. all the ideas go into the filmmaking for oppenheimer, which is what he does best anyway, so it's a perfect fit. i hope he does more adaptations in the future

By being bad at manipulating

People like dumbed down crap and cliches. That says nothing about quality, it's just that most people are lazy when it comes to the art they engage with.

⁠@@DanLyndonthank goodness we have people like you who can go around smarting us all so hard

I think both are incredible theatrical experiences, but I have a hard time sitting through them again as well.

I think he finds hope transcending actual science and physics corny.

People with good taste, got it 🫡

IKR

so true, everything needs to be berserk and game of thrones 👏

@johncra8982 A serious realistic science fiction movie having a random deus ex machina to magic its way to a happy ending is awful and weakens the film as a whole.

@@5Amigos32 I fully agree. I punched everything you said into a calculator and the output was "movie bad".

@@johncra8982 why are you like this?

​@@johncra8982No but a good Sci Fi movie should aspire to be something like 2001 or Solaris rather than Star Wars or Cinderella.

His only arguable masterpiece is Memento. Otherwise Nolan is a pretentious sellout.

@@DanLyndonEvery accusation is a confession, sweetie. We’ll pray for you ❤

Every accusation is a confession, sweetie. We’ll pray for you ❤