Was Jinnah A British Agent or Sole Spokesman of Muslims? Partition 1947 | Dr. Ayesha Jalal Interview 

Question is that without British support, Jinnah was able to get Pakistan?

jinna's long lost daughter, settled in america 🇺🇸

Yes, both... 💯 Jinnah played the Islam card & the British used him to their benefit .. He got a moth eaten Pakistan 🇵🇰 as the Brits kept the better part of the bargain However, Jinnah's conduct post independence as G G brought to sharp relief his deeply autocratic mindset. The uncalled for dismissal of khan sahib government in NWFP was the first unconstitutional & undemocratic act .. It set the ball rolling for subsequent autocratic & unrepresentative governments in Pakistan 🇵🇰 Moreover, an autocratic government suited the British perfectly After all, Pakistan was meant to serve the imperial Anglo-American agenda in the subcontinent History bears Pakistan role post independence in the region, similar to Israel, serving its masters well in the Middle East. Both are strange (estranged) twins midwifed by the imperial paymasters for the same purpose Wish Ayesha Jalal did not sweep history under the carpet to justify her thesis she obstinately defends..though many subsequent historians ( like Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed et al) have totally debunked her narrow narrative on the making of Pakistan She often forgets the nuances & abstract analysis of history ... which is a limitation in historiography....👇🏻❗

Lady can u tell how many times jinnah opposed British and went to jail he was British in attire who changed his dress to Islamic later on like a actor, he never wrote any books to elaborate his thoughts on economy, history culture, he changed his ways like chameleon

Dr Ishtiaq rightly says she does not provide evidence or source of her arguments because historical incidences are always full of evidences but she stands clueless about evendence in support of her logic

good that Pakistan happened and a lot of people moved away from India. Got it free without any major contribution to the independence struggle. Do they even have any freedom fighters ?

Illogical jalal. Jinnah asking partition for muslims is cute. But partition of punjab and bengal is bad. Jinnah abusing and demeaning hindus is great service, but others addressing Interest of Hindus is communal. How to argue with illogical bunch who don't care for realities.

Raza Rumi seems to be an obedient student of Ayesha Jalal instead of history.

She quite fluently debunks the whole theory. She is all for Jinnah being a Sole's Spokesman and I love it.

what a contradiction , in one breath she says Jinnah is not one person who is responsible , yet the name of her book is THE SOLE SPOKEPERSON

She is jinnah defender, whereas it was jinnah"s Communal politics that lead to Disaster in punjab and Bengal.Her thesis are UTTER GARBAGE

Ayesha Jalal is highly overrated Historian. Her findings are baseless that's the reason why she doesn't dare to confront Dr Ishtiyaq.. Her blind faith towards Mohd Ali Jinnah has lead to distortion of History.

It is fruitless to debate who caused the partition. We, in India have grown up with elders cursing Mr Jinnah for partitioning India. People of current generation, those who are in mid 40s or early 50s and even youngsters strongly believe Mr Jinnah was a great man with ultimate vision. People in Pakistan consider him saviour but we think he did greatest favour to Hindus than Muslims by dividing India. Had Mr Jinnah not been there, India would have been hell for Hindus with mobs lynching every other Hindu for fictitious blasphemy. 2 nation theory is the greatest piece of modern mankind history. Pakistan complied with it 100% but unfortunate part is we let him down by not mirroring our neighbour on this non compliance. So, we are eternally thankful to this great man called Mohammed Ali Jinnah.

what kind of interview is this Raza Rumi is basically swaliowing what ever garbage she is spewing , what about prof Ishtiak Ahmed , prof Venkat dhulipala , prof Hoodbhoy

What a hypocrisy first jinnah asked for pakistan but opposes division of punjab and bengal because for him punjabi is punjabi first and bengali is bengali first otherwise whole bengali punjabi hindus and sikhs were pershied

At Independence, India had intellectuals and Pakistan had paigambars

1. Dr. Jalal is completely clueless about the dynamics of electoral politics in India and as a result gives communal color Muslim non representation in parliament. Obviously Dr. Jalal doesn't know that since the first election in 1950 Muslims always voted en block to defeat BJP/ JanSangh. Till 2014 Muslims had a veto on who can rule. No political party could win any election without Muslim support. Modi in 2014 consolidated the divided Hindu votes and won without Muslims. Now to expect Modi to give a share in power to those who perpetually vote to defeat him is the height of ignorance for a historian. Dr. Jalal may be foremost in partition history but completely at sea in contemporary Indian politics.

The lady talks a lot but says very little.

She is the one who have not understood even an iota of history but blaming whole world for not understanding history. Jinah was a British agent otherwise Pakistan was not created artificially.

India did Islam preaching for 50 years, and provided the highest post in parliament cabinet but unfortunately most of Islamist ministers silently serve Islam than India. A very recent example is the former VP of India, Mr. Mohammad Hamid Ansari who failed to integrate with the secular soul of society. Pakistan is the only cause for the divide in Indian society who is still working on to give thousands cuts using hardcode Islamist minds in India also called slipper cells. Majority of peaceful Indian Muslim who have the following nation's first policy are progressing hand in hand with the rest of society which includes micro minorities like Parsi, Jain, etc. Indian society elects their representatives through voting so logically parliament is collective consciousness of society including Muslim population. So let's not cry for missing representation of Muslim brotherhood. Power was the central issue for Fight between Jinnah and Nehru. Jinnah once said that both brothers (himself and Nehru) will unite again once Power deal (partition) has been sorted out. That's the reason Jinnah and his descent legally fought in Indian courts to retain his Mumbai based luxurious house to be able to spend vacation in India. Nehru also advocated to give away house to Jinnah but society opposed and court case is going on till date. Unfortunately none of the sides filled criminal cases against Jinnah and Nehru for killing millions of people on both sides for their power struggle in form of partition. Many Indian corporates have Muslim CEOs based on their Education and Experience because it's an inclusive society. On other hand Pakistan has constitutionally blocked the entry of all non muslims in highest positions in society, and that should have been points of discussion as well.

Justifying Jinnah is the sole purpose of thus interview This lady is so ignorant about india

I am Pakistani and so happy to be living in Pakistan not for economics but for the blessings of having a country. These talkers live outside Pakistan and don’t understand the feelings of local Pakistanis. Good English. Good degrees but no knowledge of the feelings of poor Pakistanis who still Iove Pakistan and Jinnah

Jinnah, being the sole spokesman, is also the most important factor responsible for the mess that Pakistan is mired in. The project itself was flawed and the outcome an inevitable one!

As a historian or a critic, it is the easiest job to term Pakistan as a "moth-eaten or truncated". Put yourself in Jinnah's shoes and just imagine what he achieved and that you are sitting in Jinnah's Pakistan, notwithstanding the fact that it was taken over by the establishment. It goes without saying, whenever a dream is translated into reality, it is not necessary that it materializes the same way one dreams about it.

Well prof. Jalal, if muslim league can demand for partition of india on the basis of 2 nation theory than hindu mahasabha had every right to demand partition of punjab and bengal. Mahasabha's demand didnt came out of blue.

A hundred years from now, Islam, Christianity and Hinduism, etc all die and we all can live together happily

She is a self acclaimed intellectual..

Aligarh ke laundon ne Pakistan bana kar diya tha Jinnah ko.aur khud yahin rah gaye the. Kanpur me British Agent Jinnah ne kaha tha 2crore Indian muslims ko pakistan ke liye qurban karna pade to wo bhi karenge...A jalal ko to maloom hona chahiye. Dr Ishtiyaq ko hi padh leti. islam ki laboratory banate banate jahan aa gaye hain wahiin rahen. Hume ab kisi pakistan ki koi chahat nahi.

Partition was necessary not due to hindu muslim issue, it was imposed by the british to keep the casteism alive and keep India divided, weak and remote control the Indian economy forever behind the facade of parliamentary democrazy.

Raza sahib i think you are a former civil servant and then quit your job well i do not know the reasons but being a pashtun i adore gandhi . Nehru more to jinnah you are well read and lady you invited also well read but we lost in the name of islamic state we have no cultural identity. we are a failed state. our civil service which is the back bone of the state is crumbling please i just want to say people are killing for electricity bill was that the welfare islamic state jinnah did what he want? but look at the present piece of of your country those who are well-skilled. well-read. are leaving the country your best brains are leaving the if that was pakistan jinnah created on the blood bath of million of innocent people then we only pray for for god the foundations of this state is shaking on 14th of august we celebrate our 77th independence but do we have any any shame at what cost /price we called ourselves independent state thanks and regards

You can keep giving it the colour you want but partition was one single event that turned the entire South Asia into a communal hotspot and it remains so to this day. I agree that the position of Muslim elite would have dropped a few notches in the independent India, but common Muslims wouldn't have suffered much. I also agree that there isn't just one factor that led to partition, so blaming it all on Jinnah isn't right. And I don't think Pakistan is doing that badly because it has become what it always wanted to. It wasn't created for it's people but to keep the nostalgia of Islamic warriors and rulers alive and Pakistani army today is just carrying on with what many Islamic invaders did in mediaeval India. I just feel sad for the people of subcontinent because all this hatred and bitterness perhaps could have been avoided.

She is a prime example of why Pakistan was created,a false concept of Muslim superiority

Sir & Madam there is a side of Mr Jinnah which nobody dare look at. In the public domain Mr Jinnah is either a hero or villain depending upon which side of the border one is at. Mr Jinnah was also ruthless notwithstanding his total commitment towards achieving Pakistan. No amount of loss of lives and bloodshed ever mattered to him.

If Ayesha Jalal is the benchmark for best historians in Pakistan, then even Allah cannot save Pakistan. On these people ashamed that they bring this so called historian on a so called progressive channel

*There are many reasons for sinking ship of Pakistan's economy.* Some of them are:- Enmity with India. Unaffordable wars with India. Unaffordable Arms race with India. Unnecessary importance to kashmir issue. Constantly sending, facilitating training, supporting terrorists against India for subversive activities in Indian territories.. Instigating separatist elements by funding them in Indian kashmir. Proxy wars with India by relentlessly sending terrorists. Inability of Pakistan to dismantle terrorists training camps on Pakistani soil against India, Iran and Afghanistan. President of USA's decision to stop US financial and military aid to Pakistan. Rising inflation, rising prices of Petroleum products. Devaluation/ depreciation of Pakistani currency. Pakistan rupees continue to fall against USD. 280-300 rupees per USD PM Narendra Modi’s successful diplomatic mission and foreign policy to alienate Pakistan at global level. Wrong/faulty monetory policy, increased interest rate up to 12-20% Pakistan IN/OUT in the Gray list of FATF. Permanent membership of IMF loan. Over and unnecessary financial dependance on US and China. Inability of fiscal development. Lack of industrial development and infrastructure. Lack of the construction of new dams, irrigation,etc. Lack of agrarian development. Inability to construct railway network and road network. Ever growing unemployment. Illiteracy and religious fundamentalism/madness. Uncertain future of democracy. Pakistani Army's interference in government policies. Frequent Army's coups to dethrone elected prime Ministers. Unfeasible and unaffordable project of CPEC i.e. China Pakistan Economic Corridors. China’s constant growing loan. There might be many more reasons of sinking Pakistan's economy and it's herculean task for Pakistan to come out of this financial crisis. It seems that the ship named Pakistan is going to sink into the unfathomable sea of loan of China.

intellectually honest analysis by Dr Ayesha

Ms Ayesha Jalal conveniently ignores hundreds of Jinnah's speeches since March 1940-47 when Jinnah invoked Hindu-Muslim division and demanded partition relentlessly.

This discussion is fruitful. And I find Ayesha Jalal more pragmatic and her approach to contextualize and appreciate history in a holistic manner is laudable.

Ayesha jalal sits in europe and talks about our history

Why did not all muslims in India follow Pakistani dreams and stayed in India even after voting for muslims league.

Jinnah put everything on the line and here we are debating whether he was a British agent 😂.

Jinnah father and mother were Hindus , they converted to Islam when Jinnah was 17 years old . Many people don’t know about his background

Maybe absence of federation . But the elephant in the room is .. Tooo much religion now a days

I think she is fair in saying Congress didn't agree to Jinnah's demand for separate Muslim electorates, but where she goes into speculative tangents is when she says that this was because of "Congress not agreeing at the behest of Hindu mahasabha". I think the reason Congress rejected Jinnah's suggestion was based on a tenet that's the cornerstone of Indian democracy that electorates won't be defined based on religious or communal grounds. And the moth eaten version that India and erstwhile Congress has to chew was a choice between communal electorates and partition for those who were adamant on that. We chose the latter to prevent any future divisions.

She is now a slave to what she has said before in her books. She is different to Indian historians who do not fear critising their heroes. If Jinnah was not a slave to the British, how come he did not ever go to jail while others did. What is the contribution of Jinnah in the freedom struggle of the subcontinent while he was quick to take a chunk of the land when it became evident. Nothing has changed about Pakistanis, claim everything, contribute nothing. Did Nehru forced Jinnah to takeover the state of Kalat/Balochistan? Shame!

Call ishtiaq ahmed... her theories are all flawed

If Dr. Ayesh recommend one book by Mr. Jina where he put his thoughts I would agree with her all arguments about Jina

Looks like she trying to argue congress policies pushed jinnah towards demand for partition. But events suggest that he was alwsys toying with the idea and just looked for excuses to vehemently push it. Had he been committed to remain united, some compromising ways could always been found. He did not want to compromise.

It has now proved the the decision of partition was wrong ..................plz let it go now

Yes he was the sole spokesperson of the muslims and as an indian i thank jinnah for creating pakistan..no hatred for him..

read Ishtiyak Ahmad , not Ayesha Jalal ... if u want to know the truth ... hundreds of times Dr. Ishtiyak challanged her , she never responded !

Partition was the exact opposite of what was good for Islam. It split Muslims in 3 units and gave Hindus to become powerful before the decisive war .

Sir pls bring Prof Ishtiaque Ahmed to give another POV.

JINNAH was an excellent lawyer, when he started loosing his argument of MUSLIMS IN DANGER he swiftly changed IT to ISLAM IN DANGER AS A GOOD LAWYER WOULD DO, he was neither a STATESMAN NOR A GOOD LEADER, only a good Lawyer WHO WON THE CASE FOR PAKISTAN BY HOOK OR CROOK

The only question which always comes to my mind and bothers me because there is no reasonable answer, is why Britishers dividend India. Every other thing, though most of it is also important, is secondary.

It's better to have Dr ishtiyaq Ahmad view on jinna much more clear

According to Jinnah himself contribution for making Pakistan are only Jinnah & his typewriter only, nobody could have created Pakistan as per Jinnah argument.

Ayesha jalal has been challenged by Prof ishtiaq Ahmed about her thesis on Jinnah. Unfortunately Ayesha has not taken the challenge, because she is not competent enough.

Look closely at her face.. she herself looks like a British agent.😢

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1294">21:34</a> so that what is all about . Jinnah was jealous that Gandhi "stole his show " So all the mayhem of partition , the multiple wars , lingering conflicts till date all owe their origins to Jinnah's SHOW

I think history should be present in a way the history is shaped! What he wanted is not in the current context. His speeches telling a lot! If Pakistani is solely dependent on individual history then the events shouldn’t be ignored to fulfil our own desires… none of the Pakistani historian provided a plan events without speculating! It’s so strange

He was a Gujurati Thug.

How do we square these arguments with West(Britain) breaking Ottoman Empire even AustroPrussian empire?

apparently, Ayesga Halal married to Subhash Chandra Bose's grandson, and definitely tried to convert him🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

Thank god there is a counter narrative to Prof Ishtiaq. You should also interview Javed Jabbar on this topic.

Jinnah was a diplomat, a statesman and a politician. A true politician always keeps open his channels. That's why he got the subcontinent partitioned with his legal and political acumen, without the power of sword or gun.

Bangladesh was never curved out of Pakistan to establish the rule of law and social justice, improve and uplift the economic and social conditions of impoverished masses of the country. It was created for the elites who felt utterly disadvantaged in every fields in comparison to their compatriots in the west, particularly Punjabis. Similarly, Pakistan was never created on the notion to improve the lots of impoverished, uneducated Muslim population of the subcontinent in order to provide them social justice. It was also not created to establish an Islamic state for Muslims either. It was created for the interests of Muslim elites who were finding it difficult to compete with Hindu elites at the time and was fearful of future domination by these Hindu elites. Now, is there any difference between a poor Hindu, poor Pakistani, or a poor Bangali? They are all in the same conditions with no dignity and are treated like domestic servants by their respective elites. It's an elite capture of power in these countries, who in the guise of politicians, bureaucrats, military, judges, landlords, and businessmen enjoying all the benefits of these so-called independent countries, like the colonial British rulers used to enjoy in the past. When two zamindars fight for lands, their lathials fight physically, not themselves. Similarly, for fulfilling their own aspirations, these elites tacitly ignited violence, planting religious intolerances in the minds of the general people, encouraging them to fight against one another. The general masses were used as fodders for their cannons to fulfil their cherished aspirations in establishing their dominance over the echelons of powers in these newly created countries. Some may express their feelings through poems, songs and writings, but nothing is going to happen or change unless the general masses get up from their deep sleep and throw these elites along with the inherited colonial systems in the Indian ocean to establish a new order, new beginning for these countries. Thanks.

How come Jinnah was never prisoned by the British ? Nehru spent more than nine years in prison . Gandhi , Patel all were put behind bars . Dr Jalal is only doing a poor white wash job .

She is very true. Those who are against her are ignorant

Zinna cheated Muslim by leaving billions in India after fulfil of his dream to become Viceroi. The karma return ,Punjabi jihadi gave him painful end

Interesting interview. Dr. Jalal is right, Jinnah alone was not the reason for partition. Its more complex than that - power struggle between Jinnah and Congress, Hindu/Muslim issues both played their part. But some of her views on present India are simplistic too. Yes, there is a constant push and pull between secularism and Hindu dominance lately, what she underestimates is that India, while not perfect, the policies that Nehru, Patel and their cabinet put together is what held India together vs breaking into chaos like it happened in Pakistan. They were not perfect people, but they did reasonably well under the circumstances. Do watch "India Pakistan Diverging Destinies: Cautionary Lessons for Proponents of Hindu Rashtra" that talks about the policy differences post 1947 that set the countries apart on a different course. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8aDrJbs9yrk.html

STUPIDITY is the only word that can define the person who is saying at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1514">25:14</a> that "perpetuating the colonial system with it's racial structure which have been used against Muslims , against Dalits by the upper castes " Isn't the person aware that India has had Muslim and Dalit Presidents as well as Millionaires apart from so many other fields ?

Agents are taken care of and are not put in jail by the establishment as we saw in the case of Jinnah unlike other politicians of that era

The problem with nri is they want to improve the country without living in it .nobody asked punjabis what they wanted punjab suffered the most and still are suffering more pakistani side less so on i dian side

Her views on nehru and congress is utter noncense..

Ayesha's intellectual insincerity stems from her inferiority complex. She is trying to put a non-existent visionary halo around Jinnah's head. For instance, look at the logic of seeking the division of the subcontinent on the name of religion, but also demanding united Punjab and Bengal in the name of language. Ayesha's works were laid to rest by Pakistani scholars like Farzana Sheikh and Ishtiaq Ahmed. One can , however, understand Rumi's endeavour as a typical Pakistani "liberal"'s effort to prop up heroes for a country that is deprived of visionary leadership !

A person motive can understand by his action, not conspiracy theory. Muhammad Ali jinahh worked for the rights of community, so he made Pakistan. If Pakistan wasn’t built the Muslim community as a minority in India wouldn't get rights in economically, societally, jobs etc. Caste system is also active in India today, So, India caste society would treat Muslim if Pakistan wasn’t built, it is imaginable.

90% pakistanis have hindu roots, hindu past and hindu ancestry.

she's genius. an icon indeed.

Really divide the muslim population in 3 parts if there was no partition they would have a larger stake in undivided india but now pakistan is an example of what happens when you concentrate all extremist in one place that's why this lady is in america

The First Question is Does JINHA was a Muslims ???? He just converted Few Year Back before Partition . He wanted his name to be founder & Indian were already occupied with Gandhi and Nehru , So he Converted and created a Pakistan ..Which is now a Beggar State and More insecure state than SOMALIA

Jinnah a secrt society uk freemason not muslim

This is the most secular scholar in Pakistan ?? No wonder the whole country is going to the gutter of Islam ...please do come and invite the Pakistani minded muslims from India to settle there ...and enjoy the islamic republic u all created with jinnah as the leader ...bravo amazing pakistan 😅

If any one have any doubt about Mr. Jannah, he was not a British agent he should immediately consult mental Dr

Jinnah haters. Shameful.

Another Romila Thapar of Pakistan….. no substance

Naieve to think muslims today in a united India who would be the majority community now would be disenfranchised by the cunning baniya

So, what is two nation theory, if it is not a Hindu Muslim issue?

Salute to the host for showing tremendous patience. Dr Jalal must have plethora of knowledge but she needs to learn the art of courtesy and conversation for not to cut other person speaking. I lost interest half way through the video due to her discourtesy.

Clearly from rumis face i can say that he didnt agree on most of her views

Uniformity in the nation is a problem. India has diversity

The lady is talking down to the "listeners" as if only she has the access of all the knowledge in the world.

too much talk too little info.

Jinnah was visionary leader. He knew that Muslims cant live with Hindus as first citizen.... Thanks jinnah. ❤

Whatever Jinnah was, but he managed to carve out a new country for Muslims of British India and no one can deny that!

She has no answers. @Billumian47 Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed exposed her.

Bedt analysis by aysha jalL vefy illuminating and loviczl

Please explain why Pakistan is a failed state ?

This interview should have been in Urdu. Having said that, how else could Dr. Jalal rile the Indians (with their new found live for IshBLOODYtiaq).

Dr. Jalal is married to Sugatha Bose.