"...or anytime you feel like it doesn't make any sense... Gd's behind it all." Such a perfect reminder for what's happening right now in our world/nation. Thank you.
Amazing! We know that there are so many connections every time we open up the scriptures but to see how deep and innertwined everything is just puts me more and more in awe of God's intentions for us. And to think that so many people think that it's just some book that some guys just wrote or taking the Muslim approach, that its corrupted. Thanks Ari and Adina and everyone at Alephbeta for this and all of your wonderfully insightful lessons and discussions.
But don't forget the *crucial* difference between them, which outweighs any symbolic likeness: Joseph learned to *avoid* taking any credit for his gifts ("bil-adai"), *redirecting* all the credit to G_d. The people who bowed down to the calf were actually ascribing power to the symbol of the calf. As G_d told Moshe much later, take the staff of wonders and then speak to the rock (without using the staff) to teach us not to ascribe any actual power to the symbols.
I think you are pointing us in the right direction but not going far enough.Moshe and Joseph are a study in contrasts.As the late Aaron wildavsky points out ,one brings the hebrews into Egypt,one takes them out,one makes pharaoh much stronger,one leaves him weaker,one names his son menashe,one names his son gershon,one deals with a food shortage by hoarding it and one handles it equitably,one shares power with a brother and the other does not..Its almost as if we are supposed to conclude that Moshe is the right leadership model for the hebrews.Perhaps the midrash is meant to be an editorial on the proper way forward.
Absolutely! There is so much more to explore on the topics of Moshe vs Yosef. We began to deal with it in last years Shemot episode (www.alephbeta.org/video/into-the-verse-podcast-season-one/january-10-2023-shemot-how-one-family-saved-a-nation) but there is so much more, especially in the context of the Golden Calf. According to Rav Hirsch the golden calf was a replacement for Moshe, not God. They had already started worshiping Moshe, the intermediary instead of God. It makes sense then that they replaced Moshe with a symbol of Yosef. This also explains the similar language used to describe Moshe at Chet Haegel as is used to describe the deification of Yosef: The combination of זה and האיש only appears in Gen. 41:38 describing Yosef and in Ex. 32:3 describing Moshe, and nowhere else. Also, the only two uses of אל יחר אפך are in Gen. 44:18 and Ex. 32:22, and they both happen to also include the words אדני and כי as well. Rabbi Fohrman also noticed resonances in the 13 Attributes of Mercy following the golden calf. We would love to hear if you have more thought!
This story of the golden calf is alive and well today in the Christian "new" testament. As a former Christian, I can tell you the Christian Bible is about a Jewish man who was first rejected by his Jewish brethren and now many jews have joined the Christians and turned him into a god
Sherira ben Hanina is a 10th century Rabbi who wrote about a "Messiah son of Joseph" in his section on the redemption. Moreover according to PhD David Mitchell, who wrote a book on the Psalms, points out that Messiah son of Joseph is found in the middle of the Psalms from ps 60-108, where as Messiah son of David is found in the others. Dr Mitchell points out that there are four messiahs, a son of Joseph, the Prophet like Moses, the son of Aaron, and son of David. I would add, son of Hoshea son of Nun, of the tribe of Ephraim as a fifth, interestingly Hoshea is renamed Joshua , the name of the Messiah of that Christian sect. We have two suffering servant messiahs, son of Joseph, and the Prophet like Moses, since he must be put to death, by the Torah's own laws. We have one priest messiah son of Aaron and two warrior messiahs, a Son of Hoshea aka Joshua, and a son of David. The next task is to show that all these messiahs are one person (toco bell 🔔). Remember Moses would be like Elohim to Pharaoh. Exo7.1-2 and Aaron would be his mouth, also Hoshea was connected to Moses and he became as if Moses at the death of Moses. The fact that Moses carried Joseph’s bones connects them. Exo13.19
What in the world are you talking about that not one but two suffering servants must be put to death, but also they are both the same guy? Joshua the son of nun IS the prophet like moses making your addition redundant.
@@PatrickPease Would you agree that Joseph was a suffering servant? Would you agree he was “as if dead” in his own thoughts, reflecting on the way his brothers treated him, his situation now in a strange land away from family, and to his brothers and his father Jacob’s eyes?
@@SeanRhoadesChristopher there's a big difference between the non descript "a suffering servant" and the very specific "the suffering servant of isaiah 53" If you aren't trying to fulfill the specific details of isaiah 53, then all servants of hashem could be said to be suffering servants. Isaiah 53 is exclusive and exhaustive, your usage of "a suffering servant" needs to cleared up. What are the specific signs you're looking for, and what is their scriptural source? But since you cant answer my simple question without word games i already have misgivings about anything else youre going to say. The text of Isaiah 53 doesn't say anything about "as if dead" so it doesn't matter whether he or his family thought of him that way or not. It is completely irrelevant.
@@PatrickPease I suppose most of the conclusions on this channel will be irrelevant as well? I am unable to display my conclusions in these comments. By the way, King David can also be viewed as a suffering servant. Joshua the servant of Moses is less of a suffering servant than Moses and Aaron, and the Prophet like Moses. If we include Solomon, he too can be viewed as a suffering servant. All the true prophets suffered and many where murdered. In all cases, the suffering took place before exaltation, if any. I suppose I would need to use a categorized table, connecting them all to give us a picture of the one Messiah. I do have a proof showing why the Prophet like unto Moses must be resurrected from the dead in my channel’s community page.
