Was Mozart arrogant? Reviewing Mozart in Movies🍿 

Even if he was arrogant, he kinda "deserves" it. We see unfortunately today many arrogant musicians not even close to Mozart's level having a gigantic ego and attitude.

Confident. If you're smart enough to get competent at something, then you're smart enough to perceive how competent you are. Mozart loved having friends over for dinner, so obviously his honesty about his talent didn't make him mean to others.

I think that perhaps Mozart would still be a genius but with an autism diagnosis/communication. Some articles have discussed that he had Tourets syndrome.

aww man, at first I was intrigued by the movie (Chevalier) since I always cheer for the underdogs, but that duel scene was so cringe-worthy I decided against it. I mean...I don't know Chevalier at all, but every single document about Mozart I've come across (as a self-professed Mozart snob, I've read loads) portrays him as a master of improvisation who was topped by few. Additionally, Mozart is not known to be a jealous guy....so the movie stretched their artistic license a wee bit too much. so....was Herr Mozart really arrogant? I think he was just a guy who knew what he was really worth, but had to blow his own horn more often than not because people simply didn't value him as much as he deserved, so in their eyes he came across as being arrogant. In addition, Mozart's close friend in a letter wrote that he'd hoped Mozart had half the talent but double the people skills so I guess Mozart failed to read the room more often than not....hence adding to his "arrogant" reputation. anyways, love your review, and love your whale sweat even more!

With massive talent like that and left a massive legacy to the humanity. The man has every reason to be just himself be arrogant or what. But he seemed to be a fairly normal guy to hang out with. He was not particularly quirky as “geniuses” usually are. He appreciated “musical mere mortals” like some of his students, Aloysia as a soprano (his crush before Constance), Anton Stadler the best clarinetist of his time, Emanuel Schikanerder the not so good Papageno, and the guy who’s a French horn virtuoso, and he tailor composed according to their talents and limitations. That’s very generous of him for someone been reverend as a demi-god in the realm of music :)

Very true.

The whole movie looked so fake and anachronistic from the long trailer that I didn’t go see it after I had wanted to previously. It felt like it was for children and from people who don’t understand that people thought and acted differently in the past. Even their body language was different.

People like to get defensive about an actor doing their job. But Ray's point is right on the money, he was a legit violinist and composer, he deserves to be shown with that respect.

@@M_SC i have recently watched the movie and it is very anachronistic, the way they set it up from the get go, we have Mozart and Bologne playing together but the age gap between them is none existent they are pretty much the same age here when in reality by the time of the late 1770s to early 1780s Mozart was a teenager and bologn was like...30 something, and i'm not entirely sure but i don't recall them playing any of Bolognes music, other than the opera Earnestine, and there are plenty of pieces in the soundtrack but i have no clue as to whether or not it's Bolognes or just some other persons work, i mean i have to assume it is his, but we never really see him playing them, and i understand that alot of his works have been destroyed and with regards to the actors limitations as a violinist probably played a part aswell. and it's also like Ray said in the video there are a lot of jazz/blues references in the movie which tells me this was made for a specific audience in mind, i wouldn't say it's for kids, i mean the films filled with swears and nudity, but like maybe moreso for teens and adults, on the other hand i don't really think the blues/jazzy effects where really needed, i get it's to show Bolognes vertuosic mind i guess, but they don't really fit in with the pieces especially with what Bolognes music actually sounded like, with the violin duel especially they probably could have done a lot with how similar his music is with Mozarts and how he goes about writing differently... sorry for the long post lol, but these are just the stuff that i noticed when watching. edit: spelling

@@BaragonProductions That's kinda sad if they truly didn't play many of his works... I didn't watch the movie for clarification, but he made so many great pieces that it would feel much more respectful and would help show the world "Hey there's someone who isn't white that was AMAZING and helped contribute to the world of music back in such a difficult time!" Seeing them add the jazzy parts in that clip got me a bit concerned that it also might not be historically accurate, maybe even worse than Amodeus which while having some form of accuracy, has a lot of things that didn't happen and were just to make the movie more dramatic/entertaining. Really hope they didn't just make things up and be like "Teehee, just ignore that inaccuracy while we use this guy's prestige for our own benefit~" and instead actually made it historical but entertaining

@@dragomon2 so i looked up the soundtrack and the pieces by Joseph Bologne they do have are as follows: Violin Concerto in G Major String Quartet in D Major Op. 1, No. 6 String Quartet in E Flat Major Op. 1 No. 2 Scena from "Ernestine" and that's it... other pieces they have from other composers are: O cessate di piagarmi from "Il Pompeo" by Alessandro Scarlatti and of course Mozart Concerto No. 5 in D major. the rest is all OST

The bio at Joseph Prowen's personal website says that he passed ABRSM Grade 8 on violin, also plays guitar and banjo, and sings tenor.

@@JonAhlquist only passed?

@@BooksAndShitButNotLiterally It doesn't give the grade, only that he did it. His formal training was in acting. Still pretty good, I think it's unlikely that very many actors have grade 8 in anything...

I was looking forward to this movie and then when I saw the long trailer preview thing I thought no, I already see too many mistakes and I’m no one, certainly not an expert.

@@M_SC He was such an interesting person! They didn't need to zhuzh his life up!

Would you really expect anything else from the pathetic state of woke movie making/destroying. 😩

I know, bologne's music was amazing. its actually crazing that im seeing him a video, since i just played his 12th symphony at a concert a few hours ago

​@@4uRicki historical inaccuries and hollywoodizing history has always been around remember braveheart and bridge over the river kwai

Glad you liked it hahaha I thought it was a tiny bit scary but happy not everyone thinks so!

@@RayChenViolinist Your welcome, Ray!

@@RayChenViolinist I really love the effort and dedication you have towards these videos. It always brightens my day to watch your reactions and playing. Thank you!

Charles Dickens also had a bird lol. I guess it’s a thing

And that sums it up!

Isn’t singing or playing a melody part of aural testing in music exams?

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Except for them being widely outcasts from society which I think is wrong but

I have a feeling he wrote that "simple" melody because he knew the emperor wasn't a virtuoso, so he probably wrote for the emperor's skill level

Think my comment got modded because of a link, but the movie Amadeus is wildly inaccurate. That scene didn't happen, and Salieri and Mozart were colleagues.

The Salieri melody is a tune from Mozart's opera that the moviemakers reverse engineered into something simple so that the Mozart character could improve it. That's pretty much the only reason. But you're right, it still shortchanges Salieri who was a competent composer irl.

He wrote this because in fact he didn’t. This is used to feed an historically inaccurate narrative. The film is an adaptation of a fictional play by Pushkin.

​@@TheVoitelyou know that even if something didn't happen in real life it's still intentional and needs to be justified. It's how writing and criticism work. If Salieri spontaneously combusted in the third act you couldn't just say: well that was a bit weird but none of it matters because it's all fiction anyway.

That’s disingenuous. The material is there and it’s not long lost stuff. I saw a documentary about him on RU-vid years ago. If you wanted to know anything about him you’d known by now.

It's not "disingenuous to question filmmakers' takes on historical figures without seeing the source documents. If you have a link to such papers, that would be ...more helpful.@@M_SC

It’s probably still a good movie to see, but maybe use it as a jump-off to read more of his life and music.

It IS AN ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT film!!!! I've seen both the director's cut and the one released in the cinemas. In my opinion, the director's cut is even better than the one they released in '84, because contains all the scenes they originally deleted.

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if they are about historic people or events, it should be important that even if they change some stories so it's more .. entertaining, that they stay in character, otherwise it's falsifying history.

It's a movie for entertainment and not a documentary. Of course it won't be 100% accurate.