Was Sonic Mania The BEST In The Series? 

that's because they went back to what made it popular in the first place.

It's a pretty good game

I had the pogface of all time when I noticed that my first time there.

Yeah, and there's two ways to pronounce "carribean." I use them interchangeably depending on the context of the sentence, and my general mood at the time of saying them. That's life. Get used to it.

I always say it as "Hydo City" yet I find most american youtubers say it as one whole word so they sound like megamind.

@@LorenHelgeson You sound like a very fun person to spend time with.

@@LorenHelgeson Why so passive aggressive lmfao like who shit in your cereal nigga

@@KazumiKiguma Very fun

The controversy with sonic origins is the same team that made mania and sega was being uncooperative and demanding essentially another example of why nintendo is better it got so bad they the team said after fixing sonic origins they will never work with sega ever again ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-58TqBdjApVQ.html

It’s really dumb. Sonic mania 2 with 8 new zones and 4 remakes would be a banger

The developers of the game had a really bad relationship with SEGA during and after the game released as far as I know so them coming back for a sequel is probably unlikely.

@@Rman1228 well f sega

@@Rman1228 Touche, but if Modern Sonic Mania were a thing, it would make for a sequel about as great as the original Mania!

It's actually the only game I have ever pre ordered. And it delivered.

Feel you there, it was the same for me with forces except it wasn't the 1st game I ever pre ordered (which was crash n sane trilogy btw) regardless of how the game turned out, it was a good memory

I can relate, as this was the game to bring me full-on into Sonic.

Yeah I think that before this the last game I'd played was Sonic Heroes.

It remains and, judging by Sega’s doings, will remain the best Sonic outing to date. Deservedly so, as what Christian Whitehead and his team achieved with this title was platforming perfection

the original cels from the animation had a darker blue hue though, for the record.

@@corel7966 I think it was probably the intention of the Mania devs to replicate the Junio style anyhow, the way the cels looked originally did not matter as that was just the way we viewed Junio Sonic now anyways.

@@noctarin1516 i get that. i figured it'd be nice to bring it up. (I do wish the sprites resembled the animations character design though)

The animation is confirmed to be based heavily on it I have that physical edition book which acknowledges the similarities

the shade of blue was also established as the official look of “Classic Sonic” by SEGA in Generations

"As a kid in 2012" damn.

@@XXXXX8 I turn 20 in February of next year Yeah

@normal guy That was in 2017, my Cousins had their PS4 set up so they lent me it for an hour. Before than I had roms of the Genesis games that I played on weekends

I remember playing it around thanksgiving as well. Small world!

Funny how you said you were a kid in 2012 when in 2017 you were still a kid 💀

Sonic superstars seems to be the next step

Yeah imagine what they would look like before the events of the modern games. (I still will keep having my headcanon that classic is just younger sonic.

@@mania4270Say what you will about Superstars, but I liked how the game was essentially like playing Generations Classic Sonic in a full package. I’m quite glad it didn’t fall into the nostalgia bait trap of Sonic 4 and while not as strong as 2 or Mania… I still would say its on par or surpassing 3 and 1

@@cloudshines812 yeah I like this game too. I actually agree with you but I think it's better than mania. It controlled perfectly, for me at least, the new powers added more variety, different themed levels and not just green hill and chemical plant everywhere, and I liked the story and different characters and how they played. I thought it was better than mania. Just not better than sonic 2 or 3/knuckles

True.

Fun fact, if you use debug mode… you can actually find an unused hidden palace zone location that Sonic and Tails were supposed to access… complete with the super Emeralds in power

Also, at least for me, Mania has so many dud boss fights. Especially that stupid spider with a wonky hitbox, and that Hard Boiled Heavy that speeds around on a giant moto-bug. I will never enjoy fighting those bosses.

well,that was the point. this was not another big time massive climax adventure,it was a build up and prelude to sonic forces lmao

@@21Handguns They should have focused on making the climax of the story actually worth it, then

@@The94Venom well,as I said and am repeatng myself again,it was a prelude to sonic forces,meaning the "climax" was supposed to be sonic forces itself. read child

@@21Handguns I understood you perfectly. What I said is that the "climax" was ass.

Playing Sonic Mania gave me motivation to beat all of the classic games because I used to drop them pretty quickly and now I beat them a lot of times and the last time was in Sonic Origins

With the way act 2 looks TMZ should of just been one act,but of course they had to be like "no every zone needs 2 acts" So we got TWO very long and difficult acts,which sucks. I hate act 1,but act 2 should of been the only act.

I loved Titanic Monarch Act 1, Act 2... exists, maybe it could/should have just gone straight to a boss fight.

@@TheJadeFist Yeah,I feel like all the portal stuff in act 2 wasn't really nessacary

Honestly I love TMZ atleast act 1. Love the Final Fortress aesthetic in act 1 and the Stained Glass in act 2.

Yeah but thankfully it doesn't keep the game from being fun.

This and Unleashed are my favorite Sonic soundtracks

you let review scores dictate what you like? please say no...

@@Carsonj13 NO. I thoroughly enjoy the game since I first played it

I saw this video through and felt likeminded with the final takeaway that I felt like I should've been revisiting Mania a bunch, but hadn't. Since it's as fun as the classics, but to "excite" it had to exceed itself unrealistically far. I would love to imagine the alternate universe where the 06 team hadn't been split to work on Secret Rings, wiping out the storybook series, and gotten 06 an added year of development. Wasted potential made 06 the sourest.

Sonic Mania Adventures was fantastic, I will not tolerate this slander.

I think generations started the 'crutch'

@@felixdaniels37 I didn't say Mania Adventures was bad, it's just that I was kind of annoyed with how practically every frame of that show (and by extension, all of the subsequent Sonic cartoons) was turned into a meme

I agree but Sonic Mania Adventures is my favorite depiction of the Sonic universe.

@@bumpy_gaming That is true.

Isn't best and favourite the same thing though? Since video games are subjective.

@@arjunmenon1796 There's ways to rate games by how content-filled or the polish of said content. Mania does well in this regard. Whether you call it the best or your fav though is a matter of opinion.

@@arjunmenon1796 Not necessarily. Typically people prefer better games, though people can love a game for other reasons. Or, not be as into a game for reasons other than how good it is.

@@miimiiandco.8721 But whether or not a game is good or not is subjective.

@@runningoncylinders3829 I agree

First game I got on my Switch was Mario Maker 2

Mania is up against S3&K, arguable the best Sonic game of all time. It falls slightly short, but that's more indicative of how awesome 3&K was than the shortfalls of Mania. For me, there's only two real shortfalls in Mania, the Mean Bean Machine boss and the fact all of Act 1 of Mirage Saloon (for Sonic and Tails) is a Sky Chase homage.

I doubt delaying the game would have made it got more original levels, after all this game was made and intended to be a anniversary game similar to generations.

You guys got some questionable pfps lol

@@devingarcia2178 ???

Knuckles looks better red than pink

something that Mania that does win over 3 and knuckles is replayability, the modding scene for mania is far bigger then 3 and knuckles to the point it comes as close as generations

That's also why I kind of love mania , but not that much as other fans . I'd personally love mania more if they didn't reuse that much previous stages from almost 25 years ago . One thing I enjoy in 2d sonic games is to discover new stages and hear new music , creating an almost totally new experience with each games . Mania is even lower than the Advance trilogy as my favorite 2d sonic games because of its lack of original zone while each of the advance games introduced new environments based on recurrent themes like music plants or chaos angel .

@@madmouse4400 another reason to hate sega.

@@madmouse4400 Do you have any sources for that? this is the first time i'm hearing that.

For me it's the same reason as well but when the Plus DLC came out I think it makes it better

Yee 😢

To think I was in fucking middle school going into high school when Mania and Forces were announced....

Here's to Penny's Big Breakaway getting all the success the Mania team deserves!

I'd say the game IS an evolution. It just needed newer presentation. More new levels. Newer art design.

Green Hill Curse hasn't left. Generations left a much bigger impression on me than Mania for being the predecessor with a greater scope and modern evolution and blending of legacy ideas. Mania builds upon legacy ideas while being true to them because it's essentially a classic Sonic game. Generations isn't so much, moreso a legacy current gen game.

It existed since the Sonic 3 beta. Interesstingly, the mania team seemingly had no clue that this was the case, because it was discovered after Mania released.

@@lpfan4491 Is not 100% confirmed they knew it or not, when they asked it on twitter all they did was say no BUT with a alien emoji, perhaps they knew about it but can't mention it on public because of sega, i don't think we will get a fully concrete answer to that.

@@RaphielShiraha64 True, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Sega never shared anything about Sonic 3's development to them(They never approved the Sonic 3 remake until origins, afterall) and it's unlikely they would have known about it from the outside, considering the mentioned timing.

The rehashes of the Sonic 1, 2, and CD stages were superior to the originals IMO. I like Green Hill in Mania better than I like it in Sonic 1. Mania smooths over the rough edges from the CD stages. Sonic 3&K zones didn't need to be redone IMO.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Blame Sega for making shitty games then.

@@sonic5993 SEGA doesn't make the games. They rush their developers and force them to make their games shitty, instead of giving them the time they need.

@@seematahir5970 100% heck the first sonic boom game was so much bugged and full of errors, because the developers started making the game for x consoles then Sega out of nowhere made a contract with Nintendo that involved the devs WITHOUT THEM KNOWING UTIL LATER, basically they had to make a sonic game for the wii u now instead (which is the reason we got what we got) the only issue with that is, that the devs now not only had less time to work on the game, they had to recode the entire game from scratch to make it work with the wii u.

@@seematahir5970 the end result is the same

Unlike the infamous Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode I and Episode II, this game feels like a proper follow up to the classic Sonic games by bringing in some new stages and bringing back all Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. Sega hired multiple fans of Sonic the Hedgehog who had made their own Sonic fan games, including Christian Whitehead, who created the mobile ports of Sonic 1, 2, and CD, to develop the game. The game has remastered old stages and brand new stages. The older stages especially have some new gimmicks that doesn't make the stages feel fully rehashed in the process. Amazing soundtrack by Tee Lopes and Hyper Potions. You can play as Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles, and they all play as they did in Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Playing as Knuckles changes some aspects of the game (for example, some levels are changed in terms of design, and Knuckles has alternate bosses), which gives the game great replay value. Mighty the Armadillo and Ray the Flying Squirrel, originally from SegaSonic the Hedgehog, make their triumphant return an update named Sonic Mania Plus, after two decades of absence (Ray's absence was 25 years long, while Mighty's appearance in Knuckles' Chaotix made his absence only 23 years long). The Drop Dash from the Sonic the Hedgehog 3 prototype build makes its first official appearance in a game. Gorgeous graphics which accurately represents the Genesis Sonic games graphics but also does many things the actual Genesis hardware couldn't for the sake of making animations smoother and the graphics cleaner. In a way, the game gives an idea of what a 2D Sonic game for the Sega Saturn could've looked like. The Elemental Shields are brought back, and the Combine Ring is back for the first time since Knuckles' Chaotix. There are plenty of references to Sega's history and even Sonic's own history in the game. Creative boss battles. Some of them are direct homages to Sonic bosses in past games and even spin-offs, for example, the Chemical Plant boss is literally a game of Mean Bean Machine, while the Hydrocity mini-boss is the boss of Hydrocity in Sonic 3 & Knuckles with the roles reversed. On that topic, this games has tons of different bosses. Awesome new and old special stages, which require you to catch UFO before time runs out by grabbing blue orbs to increase your speed and rings to increase your time limit. These are accessed by finding a giant ring hidden within the levels. Blue Spheres is back as an optional bonus stage. There was fan demand for the game to be released physically but the developers felt it would be expensive for such a simple game so they released a new DLC for the game and extra goodies such as an artbook that has behind the scenes stuff and a reversable cover that acts like a Genesis/Megadrive game. There is New Game+ in a sense; continuing a game from a Clear save will carry over your score from the end of the game, in addition to the usual Chaos Emeralds and a life counter. Plus has Encore Mode. In addition to changing the level layouts and giving all of the levels a Palette Swap, Encore Mode introduces a brand new gimmick where instead of having Video-Game Lives, you can collect other party members and swap between on-screen characters instantly, as well as use power-ups to change playable characters in the middle of a stage. Encore Mode also features a brand new Bonus Stage and harder Special Stages (played in reverse order).

@@kieranstark7213 I feel like a way to describe Mania is that while It was a great outcome,It wasn't the best that It could be(even If It was still really good).

True

The thing is mania was always made as a "nostalgia" bait from the start, it was always intended to be a 2d classic sonic game for the older fans of sonic, in fact like stated in this video it was supposed to be a anniversary game similar to generations, now if sega wanted 100% mania to be a full original game then that would have been something entirely different.