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There was drama on and off the court this weekend at the U.S. Open and it earned Serena Williams both praise and fines. Stephanie Ruhle is joined by NBC Sports’ Mary Carillo and the Deadspin Editor-In-Chief Megan Greenwell to discuss whether Williams was the victim of a double standard or if the superstar’s temper got the best of her.
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Was Tennis Star Serena Williams The Victim Of A Double Standard? | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC

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@lubicamarkova9100 5 лет назад

the worst thing on this: she totally ruined the most beautiful tennis moment everyone dreams of - winning a slam. Serena made it about herself, the crowd BOOed when the ceremony started and poor Naomi cried like she committed a crime, not won a slam. No one will give her back the moment of ultimate happiness of winning a maiden slam, it is ruined forever. SHAME.

@kennethmaye 5 лет назад

you're too dramatic, trust me that girl isn't weak, she's Black. Black dont Crack.

@lubicamarkova9100 5 лет назад

lol. race card? so why did Serena crack?

@devaughangraham1432 5 лет назад

Serena not suppose to defend her reputation?

@janeekegbu1438 5 лет назад

You skipped the part where Serena asked them to stop booing, and hugged Naomi. She spoke up. Osaka still played an impeccable game.

@chi7818 5 лет назад

Jane Ekegbu so she ruined Naomi’s victory, caused everyone to boo after Naomi won and during the trophy presentation, made Naomi apologize for winning but at the end hugs her and tells people to not boo and now it’s all good? Sorry bro things don’t work that way.

@blaster5800 5 лет назад

What to do when a young girl completely outplays you, and you are Serena Williams: 1) Try the race card. Not working, the opponent is black too. 2) Try the sexism card. Not working, the opponent is a woman too. A real one. 3) "BUT I HAVE A DAUGHTER!!"

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

Roy - Dumb comment. I want to take it apart line by line, but you sucked the energy out of me.

@nessa3360 5 лет назад

Roy lol

@Lodatzor 5 лет назад

Roy has the right of it.

@mayankmanu26 5 лет назад

So correct.

@derp8184 5 лет назад

1:07 thats so sad, i lost my respect for serena, osaka was crying and apologized for her winning? thats messed up

@gorgeouscfso 5 лет назад

i don't know if serena was robbed of her championship, but serena definitely robbed naomi's victory.

@kod5660 5 лет назад

She wasn't she was outplayed

@tearose9938 5 лет назад

exactly right gorgeouscfso, Naomi who?

@sendrakes4203 5 лет назад

For 3.5M, no victory was taken away. I will take this incident as Serena's failure to act professionally. Her whole argument ended where she demands that the Umpire apologize... that's like asking Halley's comet to go around again. 😂😂😂😂😂

@kod5660 5 лет назад

Sendra Kes... 100% correct when she out-rightly lies and asks the umpire to apologize for adjudicating correctly that was all her credibility gone.. I see it happen all the time in sports though its the equivalent of diving soccer players..

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

And you don't think that the two things are somehow connected? Try joining the dots.

@lazybasturd 5 лет назад

Thank you Mary for being the voice of reason. Receiving coaching is against the rules. Throwing your racket is against the rules. Calling the umpire names is against the rules. What is going on, how is this even an issue?

@FlabbyTitmuss 5 лет назад

Bizarre isn't it. Everything was done by the rule book and yet somehow poor little Serena is still the victim.

@deborahgharakhani710 5 лет назад

calling the umpire a thief? i have heard MUCH WORSE TH UMPIRE Was called from McEnroe...you guys are so quick to judge . he was sexist

@silvervr10069 5 лет назад

Cause she's black

@carlosspencer5660 5 лет назад

Mcenroe played 20 something years ago, could people stop bringing him out, especially when nowadays rules were implemented because HIM and stop those kind of behaviours on court....

@markbey9411 5 лет назад

... there’s some deeper reasons “ Mary” can see it from more than a feminist point of view🤭

@seanseay6989 5 лет назад

#1) Ramos saw the coach making a clear "coaching" gesture. So if you are the ref and you know that is a violation, would you let it go? If you are a person of integrity that has vowed to uphold the rules, I doubt it. It may very well be that Serena did not "receive" coaching from the gesture, but as a ref, you have to call what you see. Also, giving a warning for coaching is not the same thing as calling someone a cheater. The call the ref made was not based on whether he thought cheating was happening, but that he saw a clear coaching signal. This was the 1st violation. Serena chose to be a victim here by equating a coaching violation to being called a cheater. #2) Serena smashed her racket. This is the second violation and Ramos had to give the opponent a point. #3) Serena maligned Ramos character by calling him a thief and a liar. I have read the "verbal abuse" rule and this statement alone meets the criteria. If you don't believe me, go read it. This is the 3rd violation. Because the verbal abuse came after 2 code violations, Ramos awarded the opponent a game. I've heard many people say that no man has ever lost a game because of verbal abuse. This might be true but the verbal abuse would have to come after 2 code violations. Is anyone aware of a man abusing the ref after the 2nd code violation? In summary, what I think started the downward spiral is that Serena believed she was a victim. She took the "coaching" warning as an attack on her character and therefore she was prepared to fight no matter what it led to. Her attack on the ref was awful on many levels. I know I would feel bullied if she talked to me that way. Ramos is known for being a stern ref to men and women. For Serena to summarily believe and accuse Ramos of sexism is judgmental and misplaced. Serena broke the rules. Rather than taking ownership of that, she points fingers at others. Victim-hood at its finest.

@espiespinola3701 5 лет назад

1000% agree

@tdnishio 5 лет назад

Sean you hit the nail on the head, well said!

@sabin97 5 лет назад

almost 100% agree. except for the cheating. if her coach made signals to her, she cheated. plain and simple. if a boxers coach puts plaster on the wrappings, the boxer cheated.

@Ngamotu83 5 лет назад

In answer to your question 'Is anyone aware of a man abusing the ref after the 2nd code violation,' see John McEnroe at the 1987 US Open. And if you want an even harsher penalty, see John McEnroe at the 1990 Australian Open. He got disqualified from that one.

@seanseay6989 5 лет назад

@@Ngamotu83 Thanks Michael. I suppose what I meant to ask is if there is real evidence to suggest that verbal abuse committed by men after the 2nd code violation does NOT result in a game penalty but does happen with women.

@user1138 5 лет назад

Mary is totally spot-on here. She's one of the few still around that can look at things objectively. I'm a proud Bernie supporting progressive, but this identity politics crap is getting out of hand. I think there are a lot of people now defending Serena (even though she was clearly in the wrong) in order to avoid being called sexist and/or racist. Serena is the best female tennis player in history, but she can also be a total drama queen and bully at times.

@AANasseh 5 лет назад

Why doesn't my cries of "hey, other people speed too why are you giving me a speeding ticket?!!!" never works with the cops?!!

@sandrobsnake 5 лет назад

Well... Did you said to them that you are a father? That may help next time...

@saeedajith8829 5 лет назад

Hahahahaha

@kevinbarnes9750 5 лет назад

Or Sexist maybe?

@calamityjames5323 5 лет назад

San Blindsnake Should of said he's a trans mother for best results.

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

Real World Endo - If you and the other 64 idiots really think that your attempt at an analogy was even in the same ballpark, I feel for you all. Blame your parents.

@stephenscharf6293 5 лет назад

Mary Carillo is 110% correct about this and Megan Greenwell is 110% incorrect. Mary has it nailed: The chair umpire, Carlos Ramos, was consistently and strictly following the ITF Rulebook. He has been backed up in his refereeing by the USTA and ITF. The first code violation was real; Morataglu admitted after the match that _"100%, I was coaching"._ That was code violation 1. Smashing the racket, which she did not have to do, Racket Abuse, was Code Violation 2. Calling the umpire a _"liar and thief"_ was verbal abuse was Code Violation 3 acc. to ITF Regulations, Sec. G: *"For the purposes of this Rule, verbal abuse is defined as a statement about an official, opponent, sponsor, spectator or other person that **_implies dishonesty or is derogatory, insulting or otherwise abusive._* Calling the chair umpire a liar and a thief impugns his objectivity and implies dishonesty; that is a clear Verbal Abuse code violation. The regs are right there in black & white. The regulations also state in B&W, for a third code violation, the player forfeits a game. Lindsey Davenport, in calling the match with Mary Carillo, even pointed out BEFORE Williams committed the 3rd code violation: _"She better watch her emotions, or she will lose a game for another code violation"_ Those are the rules; but Williams does not want the regulations to apply to her, just as in 2009, when she was defaulted for threatening to ram a tennis ball down a line judge's throat for calling a foot fault. Kudos to Mary Carillo for calling this one correctly.

@nickgould2636 5 лет назад

Stephen Scharf thank you someone with common sense and facts not “he’s sexist”

@stephenscharf6293 5 лет назад

Thanks, Nick Gould. I'm a scientist, and we're pretty driven by common sense and facts. And data. Cheers!

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

You may be a scientist, but I'm pretty sure that the scientific method requires accurate data and relevant analysis.. For code violation 1, did you read the rule? It's irrelevant what Mouratoglou, note spelling, admitted. What's relevant is what the rule states. It requires that the player "receive coaching", and that never happened. So both you and Ramos are wrong. Frustration with that bad call and the difficulty of the match, led to code violation 2, which is no big deal. It happens all the time but was a legitimate call. Code violation 3. despite your italics and bold type, is merely about abuse, which happens on a regular basis, and Nadal did make a smilar statement to Ramos without any repercussion, no code violation called. Two of those 3 calls should never have been made, and were it not for the bad first call, the third wouldn't have happened. In any event, another umpire would have recognised that she was quite stressed at that point and wouldn't have called the third code violation. Especially in a grand slam final. So your analysis really doesn't reflect logic or fact. It reflects someone with an opinion shoehorning the facts to fit it. So Serena threatened to ram the ball down someone's throat once? Yeah, we all know that, because it's probably the only other example you can find. But I could find hundreds of examples of abusive and offensive conduct and comments made by players you doubtless admire and say nothing about. Which only goes to support my earlier conclusion of your scientific method. Perhaps getting a wider sample and examining the data in a neutral environment might help. IF you're a scientist, that is.

@stephenscharf6293 5 лет назад

Keith Anthony: I did read the rules, and the player did receive coaching because it was _provided_ by Mouratoglou and he admitted that, "100%, I was coaching", *on-air.* Ramos saw and called it correctly; its on video. Regardless, this entire debacle would have not happened if Serena could have actually controlled her emotions after being broken and smashing her racket on the court. But, she couldn't. This was entirely her own fault; no different than when she exploded emotionally in 2009, where she was fined $50,000 for threatening a line judge, or in 2011 against Chair Umpire Eva Asderaki. She has a documented history of this exact same behavior. And as it comes to accurate data and relevant analysis, as a Design for Six Sigma Black Belt, I used to teach statistics to scientists and engineers. Want to have a chat about ANOVA, and that the F-statistic is derived from dividing the Mean Square of the Factor by the Mean Square of the Error terms? Do you have papers published as first author in the _Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences?_ I do, so respectfully, I don't need a lesson in the scientific method.

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

Stephen Scharf = I get it, you don't know the meaning of "receive". Let me help you out, it's not a matter of someone "providing", it's a matter of someone "getting". The rule states - "Players shall not receive coaching during a match (including the warm-up). Communications of any kind, audible or visible, between a player and a coach may be construed as coaching." See that bit about "between a player and a coach"? Yep, it means it takes two to tango. "Provision" as you term it, isn't in there. Mouratoglou also admitted that Serena didn't see it. Get the point? Ramos, and you, are both wrong. Osaka definitely did get it, as in coaching, but that doesn't fit the script, I guess. It's easy for you to then brush it over and say airily "regardless, it's her fault". You weren't the one being robbed or accused, and it wasn't your emotional baggage in a difficult match. You just have a perspective, and it's negative. 2009 is all you guys can reference to back up that perspective, despite the thousands of matches she's played before and since. But if I made a list of all the players who've abused coaches, umpires and others regularly throughout the period, you wouldn't even remember the incidents, because really, it's not about what she did, it's about who she is, right? Perhaps you ought to apply some of that analysis of variance to the data at hand, instead of focusing on a very, very, limited population. Get those mean squares out. And yes, I could talk ANOVA, but I'm a lawyer, and I identify whether the experts actually do know what they're talking about. You do have it somewhere in your data set that Serena is the reason that Hawkeye is used, right? Because she was robbed blind in a match against Capriati that was so egregious they brought in the technology. Got any comments on her reaction to that? Or on Capriati? Who regularly abused umpires and didn't get called on it? No, didn't think so.

@kjamison5951 5 лет назад

Her coach later admitted he WAS coaching her. Slamming her racquet into the playing surface is a childish tantrum. Calling the referee a thief, was also childish. And she managed to upset Naomi Osaka to steal her thunder at the win.

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

MatchstalkMan - Actually, you're not being coached if you don't see it and don't act on it. Which was her point. Additionally, coaching is a thing that happens in nearly every game you've ever watched on tv, but how many of those have you seen players warned for? That's right, none. Slamming rackets happens in every tournament. So what? Calling the referee a thief for docking a point for something she didn't do sounds about right to me. But then, why let the truth get in the way of a good biased perception? Keep right on, you're in plenty of equally dumb company.

@crazylegs1324 5 лет назад

@@keithanthony974 How do you know she didn't see it and didn't act on it? She could be lying. Who other than Serena Williams constantly slams their racket down on the ground after losing? That's right. It almost never happens. Because Serena acts like a child when she loses. Do you even know why the ref took a point from her? Just because Serena said she didn't do anything wrong doesn't mean she didn't. So how about asking fair questions that need answers instead of taking Serena's side automatically because she's a black female.

@slamecatzwell5544 5 лет назад

@@crazylegs1324 Karolina Pliskova did more than slams her racket. She attacked and destroyed the umpire chair with her racket. Didn't hear people put her down for that.

@kennethmaye 5 лет назад

Lies.

@conceptcs 5 лет назад

After the hand gestures the coach even nods signaling some sort of acknowledgement between the two parties. You don't nod when there is no connection established.

@jerseyneil1 5 лет назад

Mary Carillo is absolutely correct. I have no idea who the other commentator is or why her opinion is relevant to tennis. The reason Serena blows up at the US Open is because the tournament officials at the French and Wimbledon do not put up with this crap. The French Open implemented a dress code after Serena came to one of her matches dressed in a catsuit. Serena can get away with her abuse in New York because you have American fans rooting for Serena to win the American national championship against foreign players, like Kim Clijsters in 2009, Samantha Stosur in 2011, and now against Naomi Osaka. All of these times Serena acted in the same aggressive manner.

@relativelyquiet 5 лет назад

Serena is a prime example of why Americans are disliked in Europe. One bad apple spoils the whole bushel. Thanks, Serena you POS.

@chuimeilam6501 5 лет назад

Sunil Thomas yes what a Bully!!

@5imey 5 лет назад

I love it when people dig their own holes.... !

@bphines88 5 лет назад

It was not a cat suit an you didn't have anything to say when 2 white woman had on the same thing!

@bphines88 5 лет назад

@Maggie Lou an when the white women had it on I guess it was fine! Please stop you didn't say nothing then don't say it now!

@sjjam63 5 лет назад

Go Mary! You've completely nailed this. Thank you for fearlessly speaking the truth. I know it's hard right now to not cite sexism, but it clearly wasn't. Signed, Feminist who doesn't want the issue confused.

@thefaceofpppwhenhisguntabs5292 5 лет назад

Serena owes Naomi an apology. She stole her moment. Naomi won fairly, Serena tried to cover her lack of skill against a superior opponent by throwing a tantrum.

@vettelatrioux7758 5 лет назад

Mary didn't nail anything. She's been a jealous hater from day 1 with the William sisters. Mary has won only 1 title in her whole career and her highest ranking was 33, she never even made top 10. You want someone to publicly speak out against Serena please get someone that has matched or exceeded Serena's accomplishments. Mary Carillo is a walking talking joke!

@Oopstoobad6275 5 лет назад

She really did get it right. And I don’t even know who the other woman was or why her opinion on tennis is relevant.

@mambanelson 5 лет назад

@@vettelatrioux7758 What kind of twisted logic is this? She (Serena) is not "Tennis", she plays tennis. And she plays really well. By your logic only Federer (?) could speak against her behavior. This is not a discussion about who is a better player or how many titles she may have. This is about rules and how they are implemented. Clearly you have an opinion about Carillo, and that's fine. But Carillo (as a person or ex player) doesn't matter, it's what she says that does. If you want to refute it, go ahead.

@vettelatrioux7758 5 лет назад

+Nelson Pereira My opinion and if you don't agree or like it then that's your opinion. I am NOT interested in debating or arguing with you about anything. So agree to disagree then move on. Bye!

@fitnessfirstcpt391 5 лет назад

Mary is on point here. Should we talk about inequality in sports? yes, Are there chair selectively choosing to enforcing rules? yes. Was this occasion the example of sexism and racism on display? Absolutely not. Naomi took first set 6-2. Think about when was last time Serena lose the first set with 6-2 at the major final. She changed her strateges and be more aggressive. Did that over power Naomi or changed the momentum? No. She was actually leading the second set as well. Anger took the worst out of Serena. Check the clip from 2009 semi final between Serena and Kim. Same thing. And yes, she comforted Naomi like a person who destroyed someone's wedding with argument and dramatic behavior and at the end, talked about lets be positive lol. Cray cray cray lol

@genin69 5 лет назад

Inequality? What inequality? Oh you mean women tennis players making just as much as male tennis players yet they only play best out of 3. Men have to play best out 5. And not to mention that female tennis finals get about half as many viewers and ad revenue, as male tennis finals..

@EMPOWERMENTalist 5 лет назад

*I completely agree with Mary Carillo 110%* Serena Williams really screwed this up for herself, and women's tennis...

@davidkpark1 5 лет назад

Thank you for bringing a clearer light to the situation, Mary! This particular event is a story of bullying....not racism.... not sexism! Her temper tantrum got the best of her and took away Naomi's moment. Serena should apologize to Naomi!

@mariapinto2340 5 лет назад

And to umpire, too .

@malovina Год назад

Definitely to umpire too.

@MrTrackman100 5 лет назад

Thank you, Mary Carillo for calling Serena's disgusting behavior what it was. And Megan Greenwell somehow thinks overlooking such behavior is progress for females. Serena, Greenwell, the brainwashed crowd should all rethink and apologize to Osaka for spoiling her great achievement and moment of glory.

@florastewart7957 3 года назад

And I bet you are a right wing supporter. The stuff the Williams sisters still have to overcome. It is a double standard when men do far worse and get away with it.

@MrTrackman100 3 года назад

@@florastewart7957 You lose your bet! I'm a liberal that believes in the truth and accountability. So you condone Serena's behavior in this tennis match? It was a disgrace to the game. Do you excuse her just because she's famous? Would you excuse a lesser known player behaving like this? You are the one using a double standard---one for Serena and one for ordinary players.

@florastewart7957 3 года назад

@@MrTrackman100 Men get away with it. Women are held to a different standard. Nastase and McEnroe did far worse. But you said you did not like her. So you have your opinion.

@MrTrackman100 3 года назад

@@florastewart7957 First, I didn't say I didn't like her! I'm judging her actions, not her. Second, whatever McEnroe and Nastase did (as bad??), doesn't excuse Serena's bad behavior. When the next player behaves this bad, will you condone that too, or just to excuse a player you like? Where does it end?

@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 5 лет назад

What "blows my mind" is that Ramos saw the "coaching", Serena claimed she didn't, yet SAID: "He gave me a thumbs-up...". Coaching is STILL a Violation, EVEN IF THE PLAYER *DOESN'T* SEE IT! He also let her rant at him for a LONG TIME! Over two change-overs! She called him a liar. He tried to talk wit her. She snapped: "Don't talk to me then!" So, he looked away. He remained composed. *It's like she was trying to provoke a reaction, so she wouldn't lose AGAIN, to Osaka, so she finally said: "You're a thief, TOO."* THAT was the game violation. Also: Watching the award ceremony was gut-wrenching. i've never seen a "winner" look so humiliated. *Her speech was: "I'm SORRY that Serena Didn't WIN. Thank you for watching our game.".* The ONLY thief was Serena, who robbed Naomi AND a NATION!!!

@MR-intel 5 лет назад

No double standard. The referee was pedantic, but he does it to everyone. Temper tantrums are Serena's thing. Always when she is losing, ruining the experience of the wins by her opponents.

@wackedoutonweed 5 лет назад

Williams acted like a spoiled child. Typical leftist always entitled.

@Seetha-Golden 5 лет назад

Sorry it was a double standard. Serena deserved the second penalty for breaking her racket, but the first penalty for coaching was uncalled. Everyone does it, no male player ever gets that. The third penalty was also very petty, she called him "thief", and it was quickly categorised as verbal abuse. The crowd wasn't booing Osaka yesterday, they were booing the umpire.

@bobbiemontgomery6584 5 лет назад

MR intel - Serena wasn't a fry with the young woman that won, some wanted it to be about the young women...It was against referee he was penalizing het be a use her coach gave a thumb up and he said she was cheating. Serena has lost before so it wasn't about the lost as so many want to assume....It was because the referee said she cheated....I thank the young woman is fine and admire Serena and it's some of the public that has issues.

@Bugdriver49 5 лет назад

Bobbie Montgomery At what point did the Chair Umpire (there are no "referees" in tennis) call Serena a "cheater?" Serena is the only one that mentioned "cheating"....which may be a bit ironic since it was her coach giving a signal from the player's box. Coaching is NOT allowed during play at the Open...so don't blame the Ump, blame Serena's coach.

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

Jeffrey Meade And you're a typical Trump supporter, stereotyping because you don't have the brains to work it out yourself. Racist too?

@tonysu9500 5 лет назад

Serena should be ashamed of herself for her very unprofessional behavior.

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

You should be ashamed of yourself for your very limited comment.

@85corolla 5 лет назад

@@keithanthony974 You should be ashamed of yourself for your very stupid and even more limited comment

@Pomiferous 5 лет назад

Not going to happen Tony.Herd to be humble with 50 million in the bank.

@eligahmurrayjr1541 5 лет назад

Exactly

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

85corolla - You do realise that it's your limitations and stupidity that force you to piggyback off my comment instead of creating your own? No, of course you don't, that would require at least two brain cells.

@michaelhensley8203 5 лет назад

Thank you Mary Carillo for an honest assessment. Your were a professional in this sport during WTA inception and have been a respected commentator for decades. The shame on you finger should be pointed at Serena.

@FlabbyTitmuss 5 лет назад

This is why Mary Carillo is one of the best broadcasters out there. The other ex player commentators have been so quick to defend the indefensible here.

@morpheusmann 5 лет назад

Tristan Ferguson Mary is and will always be jealous of Serena and Venus and has never won anything near the amount of matches as the Williams sisters so both you and her are irrelevant to Serena the greatest tennis player of all time. You mad about those facts and so is she!!

@FlabbyTitmuss 5 лет назад

@@morpheusmann Oh grow up!

@bobc7066 5 лет назад

I agree... Mary Carillo is the voice of reason on this issue...

@sandraburke5418 5 лет назад

I so agree. Anyone listening to Carello knows she talks negative on Serena's matches every single time. She is a hater and jealous of her success and her comeback and reaching two Grand Slam finals.

@Nancy3116 5 лет назад

It is interesting that someone who has never called a tennis match and doesn't know the rules of tennis thinks her opinion is valid.

@bgoodlsu 5 лет назад

Right! My favorite line from her was, according to a couple videos that have surfaced...

@adamromero 5 лет назад

Enzo 1965 Yes... because I'm a tennis player and I watch all 4 Grand Slams every year. What point are you trying to make?

@Nancy3116 5 лет назад

As a avid tennis fan for over 30yrs, know the rules, father participated in amateur tournaments and played it as a kid I would like tennis talking head to know the sport of tennis inside and out. It is actually a service to the casual tennis fan that these talking heads know the sport and it's history, to give YOU and other casual tennis fans the proper knowledge.

@Herv3 5 лет назад

if Serena were white, they would be totally against the behavior for upstaging a minorities moment.

@justanothername6082 5 лет назад

that is because they are trying to change FOOLS opinions lol... the weak minded will change their mind when idiots like her speak. It's that simple, that's why they even let her talk or else they would have been like get out of her you have zero clue about tennis and sports in general.

@drumcircler 5 лет назад

Congrats Naomi! Serena, poor sportsmanship is embarrassing.

@lue7682 5 лет назад

Old Uncle Bob o

@beehune3 5 лет назад

Old Uncle Bob j b

@kennethmaye 5 лет назад

did you watch how Serena put the attention back on Naomi? stop being a Hater and move forward and acknowledge that she realized her mistake in that moment. Yall love to try and tear down Black folks, I swear.

@daboys1215 5 лет назад

Serena does not represent all black people. She only represents herself. A spoiled brat.

@inspirebymikaeli3502 5 лет назад

daboys1215 Well in that case she doesn’t represent all Americans when she goes in and defeats other countries! So you don’t get to take joy in her victories any more!

@sakuntalamodukuri4714 5 лет назад

Excellent Ms Williams, you did succeed in taking away the moment from that little kid who adored you! Sexism and Racism? My foot!! She had beaten you before and you knew that she is capable of dethroning you in this match. What a lane you have taken to put yourself in the victim role and rob that upcoming champion her moment of glory. I appreciate Mr Ramos for keeping his head cool while facing that kind of ranting and doing justice to the new talent!

@vettelatrioux7758 5 лет назад

Sakuntala Modukuri Actually, the winner of last year's US Open was Sloan Stephens not Serena. So in winning the title Osaka "dethroned" Sloan Stephens. You understand how that works, right?

@gemaferro 5 лет назад

Serena is the only person that needs to apologize to Osaka and Ramos. Humiliation is not the way to be known as a Legendary Pro.

@Endureromex 5 лет назад

Nothing justifies that behaviour from Williams. The US Open showed a double standard by allowing her to pout and debase the whole tournament.

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

Nothing? How would you know? Ever walked in her shoes, faced what she's faced, or been through anything more challenging than Burger King? You're talking rubbish.

@beverlyhickman670 5 лет назад

JUST WAIT UNTIL SOMEONE SCREW YOU OVER. HOW ABOUT A WHOLE PAYCHECK. THEN WILL YOU BE JUSTIFIED IN EXPRESSING YOUR OUTRAGE. SERENA DID NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT MONEY. SHE COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS PERSON CALLING HER A CHEAT. HE MAY NOT HAVE SAID THE WORD CHEAT, BUT THAT IS WHERE HE WENT.

@BlackBinderGames 5 лет назад

Beverly Hickman Bad analogy, she did this to herself.

@kod5660 5 лет назад

This is uncalled for and you should be banned and fined for being a d##k

@PeterHenrichsen 5 лет назад

Serena should be banned from tennis. Maybe, just maybe, she can be Mr. Trump's new attorney instead of Michael Cohen. A fixer who can threaten honest and fair people.

@alvin081988 5 лет назад

Serena just got emotional and angry.....no double standard....that's how a referee should be

@GroverJ83 5 лет назад

I think on occasions there are ref's who are harsher on women.However this guy is strict on everyone,but she is entitled and thought she should get star treatment and her excuces are a joke. Someone having kids does not make them any less likely to lie then a kidless person.

@kod5660 5 лет назад

She was lying anyway her coach admitted as much after the game they never mention that though..

@slotwhiz1 5 лет назад

Take off the blinders, Please. Thank you!!

@patpat446 5 лет назад

She tried to break the opponents concentration and it backfired.

@hartantoj 5 лет назад

Hmm... Never thought off it this way. You may be right.

@oldpossum 5 лет назад

I am a former certified Swiss Davis Cup umpire with a MIPTC (Men International Professional Tennis Circuit) license. I herewith state that Carlos Ramos did NOTHING wrong during the entire 2018 US Open woman's final. However, the way Serena Williams behaved was pathetic, arrogant and disgraceful. After all, she was the one who owed an apology, to the talented and brave Naomi Osaka who dominated her throughout the entire match, and whose victory she managed to sully. Serena's behaviour reflected her tantrum against a lineswoman, some years ago, in the same event, during her match against Kim Clysters.

@tiredoffools8929 5 лет назад

I just feel badly for Naomi. She played a helluva game.

@denisdaly1708 5 лет назад

Serena is a bad loser. Tim Henman, the nicest English gentleman in tennis, once accidently hit a ballsgirl. He was immediately defaulted, and he apologised to the girl, and to his fans, and to the spectators. Now that was class. John MacEnroe got defaulted in 1991 in Australa, for saying much less that causing the umpire of being a cheat and thief. Serena is a bully, and has a reputation for being one. She lied through her teeth when arguing, as her coach later admitted that he was coaching her. And she is not even embarassed. She continued the tirade in the press conference, again taking away from Osaka. No class at all. This is why Federer remains the greatest tennis player in history.

@gkgam3r 5 лет назад

in all honesty Henman and his teammate (was a doubles right?) pleaded his case like crazy to the umpire and supervisor if I remember correctly, that was not the greatest display of class in my opinion. Not to mention he hit the ball in anger after an unforced error and the ball went flying to that ballgirl hitting her pretty hard. Not very classy to begin with... But I am 100% with you on how Serena shat the bed big time against Naomi Osaka who should be the one everyone talks about...

@AURORAPECK 5 лет назад

SHUT UP

@deborahgharakhani710 5 лет назад

that was totally different. the guy on the side continued to mess with her as if she was cheating. IMAGINE IF IT WAS YOU. All want to judge her.

@seanseay6989 5 лет назад

What did Ramos do that was "continuing to mess with her" as if she was cheating? I've seen the video numerous times and I don't see anything that even remotely appears as if Ramos is "messing" with her. His body language did not appear combative. I wish I knew what he said to Serena because her words are very audible but I cannot find out what Ramos said. Given that, I just have to go off his body language.

@seanseay6989 5 лет назад

Wow. You don't like what is written but you won't debate it. Lazy.

@SrTubular 5 лет назад

No double standard. Serena lost it on the court. She realized later she was ruining Osaka's moment, knew she had to do something about it. Simple as that.

@kennethmaye 5 лет назад

why can't everyone else see this entire story from your point of view? The majority of this negative comments are from people who dont understand that Serena realized that part of the issue was her fault and she addressed the crowd and acknowledged the Winner.

@Durnyful 5 лет назад

Extremely unprofessional behaviour. Should just admit she lost the plot & apologies to Osaka

@kennethmaye 5 лет назад

she stated, "I'd rather lose than to cheat to win". Its nothing wrong with her being angry with the referee. She has EVERY right to Express herself to the referee.

@muzzle_4717 5 лет назад

Yeah, and she has has he right to call him a thief too. She is a sore loser nothing else.

@thebitchinthecorner2252 5 лет назад

The umpire enforced the rules. Would there have been this much fuss if it had been anyone else but Serena.

@WhooFlungPoo 5 лет назад

they don't enforce them with the men like they did here. Get it now?

@thebitchinthecorner2252 5 лет назад

WhooFlungPoo and how many men committed 3 offences in a short time and did any of them deny they did it? No.

@fleetstreetemo 5 лет назад

There's no debate. As usual you'd have two people just to fill the air time and waste our time. Serena is wrong. Poor sportsmanship or heat of the moment, either way, she's wrong and unprofessional and ruined a great moment for Naomi.

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

But I think Serena is right, so there is a debate. There's a double standard, people get coached all the time, without any comment whatsoever. She's playing a final that means something to her, and gets robbed. She reacts. Unprofessional? She's been a professional longer than you've been talking rubbish, and that's a long time. You're not entitled to judge her professionalism. That's the only thing not debatable.

@sarasmith5110 5 лет назад

Keith....she was warned not penalized, for the coaching. She was penalized for throwing her racket, which you seem to think was acceptable behavior. Get your facts straight before commenting. Your knee jerk defense of Williams has no actual basis.

@spitfirestake54 5 лет назад

E C P she was wrong and unprofessional in that moment but you’re not going to use those adjectives to define her 🧐👀

@kennethmaye 5 лет назад

trust me, no one has ruined Naomi's moment. sit back and watch this new young black girl dominate the scene!!!! Serena is a human just like all of us, we will make mistakes, but we keep our heads held high and strive to do better the next day.

@kennethmaye 5 лет назад

@Adriana Peixoto stop lying.

@alienrefugee51 5 лет назад

Thank you Mary Carillo for speaking the truth about this. What gets lost in the whole thing is how Naomi Osaka was destroying Serena in the US Open Final.

@101poumi 5 лет назад

alienrefugee51 Mary always Serena since she started winning slams and plus she likes sharapuava over more

@bubbiesdad 5 лет назад

No double standard.

@denisdaly1708 5 лет назад

Serena was way out of line. Serena has form, after physically threatening a lines lady in 2009, when most sports would have banned her for life.

@WhooFlungPoo 5 лет назад

do you say the same for men that snap? no? sit down.

@jsphblw 5 лет назад

WhooFlungPoo - Threatening someone’s life? Yeah, most people other than die hard fans would agree with a life time ban or at least a very long ban

@zahrans 5 лет назад

On another interview Megan kept making excuses and playing the sexism card on behalf of Serena. So it's a real pleasure to see Megan getting absolutely slaughtered by Mary here. I esp. loved 5:03 and when Mary shot Megan down when the latter tried to make the "Serena is a woman of colour" argument.

@MegaTriumph1 5 лет назад

Carlos Ramos Is a "World Champion Himself". Thank you Carlos Ramos you did good for the World.

@Anonymous-pd2ro 4 года назад

Mary Carillo explained the "penalties" accurately. Thank you, Mary. Megan Greenwell said Serena did well to quiet the boos from the crowd. Would have been better if Serena knew about the rules and not gone off on the deep end. You don't give a pass to players for what they've accomplished as Megan alludes to. Sorry Megan. Rad the tennis rule book. Thanks again, Mary.

@ronaldtorres5758 5 лет назад

Thanks Mary Carillo!

@Ansis99 5 лет назад

Osaka was very good. Serena wasn't. Strongest wins. Always.

@richardmagasy2970 5 лет назад

Thank you Mary Carillo, voice of sanity!

@gkgam3r 5 лет назад

I am in total agreement with this Carillo pundit lady. She said it all.

@equinoxproject2284 5 лет назад

Thank you Mary C. Get ready for the onslaught of criticism and troll activity for speaking the truth.

@larryxlchen 5 лет назад

Now a day, truth is a hard word to swallow, unfortunately.

@mmfvital 5 лет назад

"…because Mary is kind of the minority on this one". Is she, really!? Haha!!! Mary, thanks for being a voice of reason in the middle of so many people that just refuse to see the facts that are in front of them.

@paperwait9611 5 лет назад

would serena have had this meltdown if she had been winning in the match? i kind of doubt it.

@paulwong4332 5 лет назад

Mary Carillo, you’re the best. You got it right on the point.

@rasuna07 5 лет назад

Well said Mary Carillo. Totally agree with her comments. Serena Williams behaved in a very petulant and yes, bullying manner towards Carlos Ramos.

@janesmith6460 5 лет назад

That Dead Spin journalist should just stop. Serena lost her cool. 23-time Grand Slam Champion doesn't know the rules by now regarding violations? She hasn't been under pressure enough in the past to know how to deal with it? Then she blows up 3 times and blames sexism? This is the GOAT? The ultimate representative of Women's tennis? Maybe the best player, but not the best ambassador.

@terrellleach3486 5 лет назад

You tried to check the Ump by telling him what your coach was doing, you state you don't have to cheat to win you rather lose...So with that exchange, you thought the Ump would take back the violation. So you telling me, all a basketball, football, or baseball player gotta do is they really didn't do it and the refs/umps gone reverse the calls??? ENTITLED.

@mofungo8882 5 лет назад

when you think you are entitled to anything you want then everything is a "double standard" - but the truth is plenty of male players had game penalties for LESS than what she did. The umpire went strictly by the rules. You can't simply say "I wasn't being coached" - especially when the coach admits he was indeed coaching - in the end, when you play a game you AGREE to abide by the rules, period, even when they work against you. The umpire gave the first warning to the coaching, the point for the racket and the game for verbal abuse. All by the book.

@dustydirt 5 лет назад

Mary hit the nail on the head. Enough said!

@jrsinsf 5 лет назад

williams has NO class... sad.

@carlos-bm6658 5 лет назад

@Owian Yeoman he or she is not being racist its true temper tantrums from a adult pro athlete is pathetic

@jeffhagerman7810 5 лет назад

@Owian Yeoman unsportsmanlike conduct is not racist nut

@profshad3429 5 лет назад

who are you to judge anyone elses class

@titosantana1157 5 лет назад

That (....sad) pretty much sums it up! Only Racist Scumsuker Trump supporters parrot Trump's dumb sayings!

@TRU_Lunchy 5 лет назад

She's proven to not have class years ago.

@AndriesTom 5 лет назад

To be a champion, behave like a champion. Serena's behaviour has no excuse, she should have been thrown off court immediately, as was done previously (match against Kim Clijsters). This "example" is simply unfit for people watched to and adored by so many kids. Go tell your kid he or she has to behave and be correct in sports after such a display. It was furthermore totally unfair towards her opponent. I don't see what the fact she's not allowed to wear her riduculuos panter suite next time on Roland Garros has anything to do with it. I admire her talent and the hard work and dedication that yielded her so many results. But it still doesn't place her above others. Would others loose it to? Probably. But that still doesn't make it a wrong call.

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

It's lose, not loose. Loose is what your mouth is, and biased is what your brain is. If I had young kids playing sports, Serena is precisely the model I'd want them to follow. I'd say ignore the dumb racists and hypocrites,they're only poisoning themselves with all that hate, make the money they'll never see, and live your life better than they do. They know you're better than they are, and that's why they hate you..

@kennethmaye 5 лет назад

it's funny how all of you Keyboard commentators have so much to say about someone else's life, I wonder have you performed everything in your private and public life perfectly? You haven't, neither have I, with that being said, give her the room to be human.

@AndriesTom 5 лет назад

@@kennethmaye She gets all the opportunities: she has not been expelled from tennis, as would have been the case in a more disciplined sport such as most martial arts. Whether we have achieved something similar or not has nothing to do with here behaviour nor our judgement. She is an all time legend, a fantastic sports woman. And of course she is allowed to make errors and misjudgment, but not misbehaviour, and not without consequences. You always pick up both ends of the stick...

@kennethmaye 5 лет назад

@@AndriesTom She work HARD for all of the opportunities that you and I are aware of. There isn't a scale of which sport has more discipline than the other, the level of discipline is based upon the Athlete ( which is why some have achieved the highest levels of accalades and others are mediocre or amateur). What I'm stating is that she has every right to Express herself, the fines are pennies to her.

@seanseay6989 5 лет назад

Kenneth - Do I have a right to verbally attack you if I think you are being unfair to me? Same question put another way, does someone have the right to verbally attack your mother if they think your mom is being unfair? It would be justified since they are expressing themselves, correct? If your answer to this is "No", then why do you defend Serena's right to do what she did to another human being?

@peterdding 5 лет назад

Mary Carillo was on point! Full respect for her! Serena brought all of this onto herself. Nuff said.

@antoniofrias1173 5 лет назад

Great work for the chair umpire, Mr. Carlos Ramos.

@paulobastos1774 3 года назад

Mary Carillo puts it into the right perspective...

@in3321 5 лет назад

I'm glad someone finally called her out on it! Thank you, Mary Carillo!

@11Garrett11 5 лет назад

"You owe me an apology! Say it!" Girlfriend lost her mind. Plain & simple.

@kushy9 5 лет назад

I'm so glad Mary spoke out about this, hers was one of the few opinions I really cared about and she said everything I was feeling. She seems to be one of the few tennis commentators who actually sees all sides and isn't afraid to give a fully honest opinion.

@myriem11 5 лет назад

Thank you Mary!!!!

@tyler_7749 5 лет назад

Her coach did admit to trying to give her coaching btw people

@bgbraz 5 лет назад

He also said that he didnt think she could see the signal. She said that she didnt see any signal as well. Bottom line is that there is coaching on every point by every coach. Serena's coach said that as well. The coaching violation and the verbal abuse violation were a reach.

@meheretoday6968 5 лет назад

bgbraz the coach owned up to it... end of story. If Serena has issues it should have been with her coach for trying to coach her not at the ref for observing it... the ref did his job and Serenas coach let her down and Serena knows the rules

@tyler_7749 5 лет назад

bgbraz even if it was once you already have 2 code violations every single professional tennis player knows what follows and knows to get their act together

@Scorpio70ish 5 лет назад

Mmmmm but 90% of the coach does that....they either penalized them all or don't penalized them .

@WhooFlungPoo 5 лет назад

"her coach" not her, next

@dannycooper8253 5 лет назад

That Andy Griffith reference was fantastic by Mary! 😂😂😂

@bkjetsfan1 5 лет назад

Studies showed male tennis players are fined more than female tennis players. More than doubled lol.

@carlosyamara 5 лет назад

I believe Mary is correct on this one, also read Navratilova's article in The New York Times I believe they know of what they speak.

@annawarner1078 3 года назад

Her coach not only coached her ut also in after game interview he said that that coaching is normal. The problem was Serena and not Ramos. Lets look at the facts.

@ramin9881 5 лет назад

Uuf, finally a reasonable voice! Thank you, Mary! Serena is an outstanding athlete but on that night she was unfortunately wrong! To me she lost the plot once she brought up Sexism as well as being a mom which were both irrelevant. She will be back and she will get for sure many grand slam trophies in the future. Congrats to Naomi for her outstanding job and her graceful character! 👍

@70939488 5 лет назад

All I see is the upper chamber(elites) crawling out of the woodwork in full force trying to discredited Naomi win blaming she(Serena) lost to the umpire today. Naomi beaten her in Miami and she beaten her in US open. Naomi basically outplayed Serena and outclassed her in every way.

@peterj.andros3996 5 лет назад

Calling violations is entirely transparent. Ramos is certifiably one of the best in professional tennis. This kerfuffle was all about behavior. Bad behavior on Williams' part. She was overweight, out of shape, and losing for the second time by Osaka. Williams, a lifelong loudmouth on the court, has always been a bully and crybaby. Osaka enjoyed the considerable advantage of coaching by Williams' former hitting partner. Osaka for her part needs to grow up and own the world she now circulates in. What a child actress!

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

Idiotic, personal comment. All that revealed was your biases. That overweight crybaby just got to two grandslam finals. You can probably just about get to the bathroom. So you don't like Serena. Wow, she really cares about that when she's banking her millions and knows she's the best in the world, in or out of shape. What are you the best at? I'll give you a couple of years to think about it.,

@ddbliss2871 5 лет назад

Mary Carillo was absolutely correct ... nothing wrong with chair umpire who called it how he saw it .. fair and square ... But Serena was losing the match ... losing her temper ... yelling at him as a thief and a liar .. trying to bully him to say sorry repeatedly .. so freaking annoying ... Ultimately ruining Naomi's moment of glory .. what a shame

@BuddyMoran 5 лет назад

Serena has a history of bullying umps and lines persons.

@sanyasimi-luxury468 5 лет назад

Serena: I don't cheat ever, no coaching in game. Her coach: I coached her in every games.

@keithanthony974 5 лет назад

Sanya Simi-Luxury - Now for the facts. Serena doesn't talk to the coach even in the games where players are allowed to get coaching. She's the only one. Her coach. OSAKA's COACH WAS COACHING EVERY POINT IN THE MATCH

@peasantm3984 5 лет назад

I feel sorry for the winner

@miguelcffreitas 5 лет назад

Carlos Ramos was called a thief and liar as well. If the coach does coaching the player gets the warning. If a player smashes the racket there is a penalty... Not happy with the rules? Blame the ones who created them. The umpire just follows the rules!

@dorisdieterle6591 5 лет назад

i totally agree with Mary. Good for you calling it like it was. I feel this type of behavior is not good for tennis or any other sport !

@CoolPandaTheMovieNerd 5 лет назад

When John Mcenroe does it everyone loves him.

@johnperrigo6474 5 лет назад

not everyone

@Jez2008UK 5 лет назад

Yeah, erm that was 40 years ago........

@rullmourn1142 5 лет назад

williams, mad bc that attractive, young girl was beating her brakes off, no class or taste. Congrats, Naomi Osaka!

@ronaldstilwell3464 5 лет назад

Thank you Mary for the articulate and reasoned commentary. We need more of this sober reflection in a world that too often excuses the inexcusable. Your insight and honesty are refreshing. God bless you.

@lflagr 4 года назад

I still can't believe the crowd was booing Osaka's trophy ceremony like that.

@hokeypokeyalso1783 5 лет назад

We're not much for professional tennis in our humble shop, but we couldn't help but notice something about the weekend's U.S. Open women's championship match. Stop us if you've heard this before: A woman who thought she was entitled to win was credibly accused of cheating during the contest, which she then turned into a tirade about her own supposed victimhood at the hands of those who are allegedly sexist. Her supporters then turned into a rabid mob, heckling and booing the victor, who not only deserved to win but did so fair and square. The media rallied to her defense, robbing the victor of the moment of triumph. But enough about the 2016 election. We'll leave debating the rules of tennis to others, but suffice it to say that Serena Williams, in the words of Rich Lowry, "behaved shamefully" and showed an "appalling lack of grace." Her coach admitted to the infraction that led to a penalty, but Williams turned the match into a pathetic spectacle of rage, complete with smashing her racket (again) and leaving the 20-year-old, first-time winner, Naomi Osaka, not only in tears on the podium but literally apologizing for her win. After Williams's reprehensible behavior on the court (for which she was fined $17,000), she parlayed her "victim" status into a fight for social justice. "I'm here fighting for women's rights and for women's equality and for all kinds of stuff." And the Leftmedia jumped to her defense, adding that things are even worse for black women, just to throw race in the mix. It's evidently fine to discriminate against Asian women, however. Osaka, the victor overshadowed in this fiasco, is Haitian-Japanese. A final thought. Williams is insisting she's an aggrieved victim despite having brought great notoriety to women's tennis with her dozens of titles, being worth about $180 million, and having her very own clothing collection at none other than Nike. For some reason that reminds us of another pouting athlete... Wanna profit from being an offensive jerk? Just do it.

@vettelatrioux7758 5 лет назад

hokeypokeyalso1 Great assessment. You are so smart.

@MrDragon1968 5 лет назад

I can't stand Trump, but that was pretty funny.

@carlxvernet8825 5 лет назад

WWE

@carlxvernet8825 5 лет назад

Www to night

@carlxvernet8825 5 лет назад

LINKING

@akshayrajhamilton-ib3045 5 лет назад

Serena has been playing for many years now ...she enjoys respect but she acted like a bully ...her opponent was a young girl and Serena with all her experiance should have been more mature in her handling the situation ...poor sportsmanship on Serenas part....

@pattyhays487 5 лет назад

Another fine example of good sportsmanship for all young female athletes to see....

@MrManagemiracles 3 года назад

It's not Ramos calling out Serena that was the problem but it's the way she reacted to it. If She could have just stomached the first warning and played calmly and nothing would have gone wrong. At the end of the day, the umpire was acting within the rules but nobody can say the same about Serena

@scotchegg3419 5 лет назад

it's a good thing the umpire was not white !.

@SACULV4918 5 лет назад

Zero Cool How was Serena Bias? You can't even explain why. Proves my point!

@jeffreylara3835 5 лет назад

Thank you, Mary, for your brave comments! Your analysis is correct. Serena created that toxic environment, and I feel very bad for Naomi. I also remember the 2009 incident involving Serena and that poor little linesman. You aid at the time that Serena deserved a one year suspension, the she was fined only $10,000. You were brave then, as well. Had she been suspended for a year, Serena would have learned her lesson, and we would not have had a repeat offender last Saturday.

@sandraburke5418 5 лет назад

if Serena retires, who will Mary Carello bash then? LOL

@danield.7359 5 лет назад

Her temper out of control. She's so aggressive with extreme mood swings. I mean come on she's able to scream at the umpire, smash her racket, cry like a baby and give the sweetest hug all within minutes... Long term steroid abuse?

@tonygioffriau6130 2 года назад

spot on Mary - your gutsy to stand out and call it as it is

@fionadavis5553 5 лет назад

At the end of day Naomi Osaka out classed and out played Serena .. Congratulations to her .. 🖕🖕to the disgraceful behaviour of the crowd .. very bad losers .. Naomi Osaka I am now a fan 💯👍

@Brendonbosy 5 лет назад

You know she could have not smashed her racket and yelled at the ref, and then you know what? Nothing would have happened, just like every soccer player out there who gets a yellow card in a game. You get a warning, normal people take the warning and are more cautious. BTW, Patriots got a $1 million fine and lost 1st round draft for doing the same thing Serena did

@jessg101 3 года назад

Mary is no longer part of the US Open after this interview.

@Cecil97 5 лет назад

If you hit someone over the head and then take them to the ER, it doesn't make you a hero, like wtf

@bobito8997 5 лет назад

Mary Carillo is right on the mark here.

@Scorpio70ish 5 лет назад

Mary Carillo don't like the Williams sisters , She is jealous of them.

@bcmteacher 5 лет назад

No, disagree. Thank you Mary!

@frank6250 5 лет назад

Wow Mary thank you for your words, just hope you don't loose your job.

@Lodatzor 5 лет назад

I have to say, I find it extremely encouraging that so many people who watch MSNBC are seeing through the hooplah, here.

@bassmaster1953 5 лет назад

Thank you Mary Carillo for such reasoned commentary.

@Miriam-fk9wr 5 лет назад

Mary Carillo, thank you for setting the record straight.

@priyanshgoyal9100 4 года назад

This is the reson people don't trust MSNBC nowadays

@GH-oi2jf 5 лет назад

Greenwell refers to cases of men getting not getting penalties for similar offenses, but without giving any details. She ignores the fact that the penalty depends not on the particulars of the code violation, but on whether it is the first, second, or third violation. Players rarely forfeit a game because when they have two code violations they stop causing trouble.