Was the Goblin Serum Stronger Than Cap's Super Soldier Serum | FULL ANALYSIS 

Goblin seems stronger at the cost of his sanity while Cap is less strong while being able to keep his sanity

Goblin slamming Pete through majority of a tall apartment building is a huge feat of strength that potentially put him on top.

It's pretty clear that Goblin is far stronger. The real drawback is that it drives him insane. The greatest feat of strength isn't actually the cable car, but being able to match Spider-Man in strength. The very same Spider-Man who stopped a speeding train, full of passengers.

I'd agree with others here. The Goblin's serum is *stronger* -- but it's flawed, because it sends him insane. So Steve's serum is technically *better* because it works like it's supposed to.

I have no doubt that Green Goblin is extremely agile and can perform any physical feed that Steve Rogers can. The reason he doesn't, is because of his mindset. He's a predator. An unapologetic force of nature that doesn't need to dodge or attack with the element of surprise. He wants you to know he's better than you. It's a purely different psychological state than Cap.

"They show minimal agility" -me looking at goblin literally do flips and flying kicks around Spider-Man in their last fight 👁️👄👁️

I think the apartment fight in no way home in it’s entirety is a big feat of strength for Norman. Dude straight tackled Peter through multiple floors

When it comes to Harry it's also likely that he didn't go insane due to pure chance. In the first movie its stated that only one in (if I'm remembering correctly) 13 of the animal subjects went insane. Since we can assume that the same idea carries over to human subjects we can assume Harry got the luck of the draw.

“They show minimal agility throughout the course of the Raimi trilogy” ehhh green goblin was flipping around and dodging punches like a badass in the first films final fight. And about the strength category I think being able to smash yourself from the top of a skyscraper to the bottem in like 5 seconds is a pretty decent feat.

The Goblin serum is for sure way stronger it turned a geriatric Norman into a super strength monster

Also Norman was significantly older than Steve when he was infused. Also one should not underestimate the "crazy" when considering strength. You can have all the muscle in the world but if not all the fibers are firing they won't be as strong as they could be. That's why we have colloquial terms like crack-head strength and roid-rage allowing people to do insane feats. I think Harry not going crazy actually made him weaker and less reactive but he made up for it by being younger than Norman putting him at a much higher baseline to build on top of. I think in a 1v1 a crazy Harry would be evenly matched by Steve but Harry would take the win by playing dirty

The fact that peter was able to keep up against cap in their first fight but had 0 chance against goblin in his first fight should settle it

I'm fairly certain goblin is much stronger at the cost of sanity, while caps serum sacrificed some strength in order to iron out the downsides of the serum. Other than that, spider man is much stronger than cap, and goblin is pretty well scaled to spideys strength level.

I think one impressive feat is when green goblin easily ripped spider man's webs that can pull large planes

Kicks = Cap Punches and Throws = Gobby Sidenote: Anyone else notice how Osborn's serum mirrors Erskine's in terms of the neurological and psychological affects? "The serum amplifies everything within. Good, becomes great. Bad, becomes worse."

When it comes to brute strength and hitting force, goblin in no way home seemed to use much greater force then in the raimi movie. He swung Peter through tempered glass like it was nothing and slammed him through multiple floors with a single strike. Personally I think goblin would've gave cap a run for his money, possibly could have even beaten him out right

The Goblin Serum is stronger than the Super Soldier Serum. But Cap's serum was perfect and stable. Norman's serum mind were fracture but his strength match Spider-Man. I shudder to think if John Walker took The Goblin Serum!

As much as I really want cap to be the winner, I could very easily see the goblin struggling a lot less to hold onto that helicopter

It's great because with the acknowledging Maguire and Garfield in the M.C.U. technically Spider-Man is the one who started the franchise and not Iron Man seen as his movies came out from 2002. Thank god for the Madness of the Multiverse, which also happens to be my most anticipated movie this year!! 😁

i think the og cap serum was perfect and everything else was close to near perfect and the goblin serum almost near perfect with the Dr Osbourne/Mr goblin side effect which was prob caused from the stress of government funding wanting a closer deadline before full human trials

Fun fact: Due to Captain Americas super soldier serum his metabolism became so fast that he could burn nearly 8,000 calories in a day when he's resting. So he would need to eat on average around 10,500 calories a day.

Captain America's Super Soldier serum was more stable and had less side effect on the subjects mind Green Goblin's serum was unstable granting him great strength but at the cost of his mental stability so its a trade off of sorts

Obviously goblin serum is more powerful. Goblin went toe to toe Spidey who is significantly more powerful than Cap

A note real quick my dude... you mentioned at around 3 min talking about the goblin that "it's unknown how much the suit is aiding his strength". In spiderman 1, it's implied the suit doesn't actually give ANY strength at all and the suit is built entirely for protection and durability. The suit doesn't have any mechanisms really that would increase his strength (other than gadget controls), but the suit CAN take one hell of a beating. I don't know what the suit is made of, but it's practically unbreakable in the film (Although norman himself smashed the helmet in NWH with a rock)

I’m pretty exited to see not just the new MCU spiderman 4 but a new trilogy of spiderman movies and hopefully including the Andrew Garfield spiderman and Toby Maguire. I really wanna see where they’re gonna go from after no way home now that venom is in the MCU. I hope we don’t get another spiderman 3 but I would like to see little nods, like maybe have Tom just dance for a bit lol.

Goblin formula is stronger but it makes you evil and crazy,while cap serum is more balance and keeps you sane

The Goblin serum has the capability to drive the user insane and I wonder if the insanity bestows a mind over matter kind of durability...where Norman obviously gets hit but his mind is so far gone the pain doesn't register.

3:51 Cap was just barely holding up. It was clear weight like that is far out of his reach. Whereas guys like Spider-Man and Green Goblin could effortlessly carry that weight above their heads. The cable car goblin is effortlessly holding singlehandedly weighs around 12 - 15 tons. And he had zero signs of strain. So Steve just barely able to hold up 10 tons vs Green Goblin who effortlessly supports 12+ tons singlehandedly already shows Goblin is superior in strength. It's not like Steve could lift a bus over his head like Spider-Man could. You'd be delusional to believe Steve could bench press the weight of a bus. Also, Tobey's Spider-Man also supported the cable car weight singlehandedly as well, yet the Goblin could still overpower him. So Goblin > Cap

If you also want to count the comics and that versions being Goblin where he gots stabbed by his glider he actually lived because of his healing Factor kicking in

There is only only two things missing and that is backgrounds and affiliations because those also effect their fighting styles. Hopefully Black Cat can mend Peter's heart in TASM3

The goblins strength rivals or is slightly greater than that of Spider-Man. Compared to captain America it’s the same as Spider-Man to a normal man. Spider-Man can pick up a bus. Cap couldn’t pickup a small smart car.

Something that isn’t mentioned is that Steve continued to train into his prime. In winter soldier, he’s seen running and boxing. We can assume he probably lifted weights too. Green goblins baseline at 40+ years of age being compared to prime Steve shows how much stronger the goblin serum is It’s like golden freiza. Freiza was always strong, but after training he could go toe to toe with gods. Imagine a green goblin with a 30 lbs of more muscle

It was always my headcannon that Harry perfected the Goblin formula and made a stronger version which is why he didn’t go insane and could somewhat fight black suit Spider-Man and even perception blitz Peter in the cafe scene if you take that seriously.

See this is how I thought they were going to get the Green Goblin in the MCU before they gave us "No Way Home". With Norman Osborn and Oscorp being one of many to try and replicate the original Super Soldier Serum. It's just like in the Ultimate Comics with everyone and their grandma trying to bottle lightning in order to make it strike twice to create their own Super Solider. Most of the heroes and villains from that universe were given powers in an attempt to create the next Captain America. Which is one to the many ideas borrowed from the universe and brought into the MCU. Even in the first Avengers movie, they talked about Bruce Banner becoming The Hulk by attempting to replicate the original serum using gamma radiation, instead of it being just some random accident. And if they had introduced the Green Goblin into the MCU that way, I would've thought Oscorp would've been the closest to replicating the original serum, the problem was someone like Norman Osborn taking it for himself. Like Erskine told Steve in Captain America: The First Avenger, The serum enhances everything that's already inside a person; "Good become great, bad becomes worse". And we already know from the comics that Norman Osborn was a bad guy and an enemy to Spider-Man before he even became the Goblin. If Norman was already bad and slightly mentally unstable before taking the serum, than taking it after would've made him even worse and a full blown psychopath, just like in the first Spider-Man movie. And since I mentioned the Ultimate comics, I actually thought that was the version of the Goblin that we were going to get in the MCU. The one that looks like a demonic fireball-throwing version of the Hulk. We never did learn what happened to all those vials of Bruce's blood that Stern made from The Incredible Hulk movie, just the one that turned Emil Blonski into Abomination. I could total see Norman Osborn getting his hands on one of those vials and altering it to try and figure out the serum's formula. He would've definitely been a game changer from the other Green Goblins we got in the Sam Raimi and Mark Webb films.

This was a great video! One of my favorite Marvel heroes and one of my favorite Marvel villains. Great job with the amount of research that was put into the argumentive comparison. Loved to see more MCU being compared to past Marvel movies like the Spiderman movies in the 2000s.

I feel like from a writers perspective it makes sense the Goblin serum is stronger with the caveat that it makes the person insane or borderline insane. As Steve Rogers didn’t have any side effects besides the whole “unable to get drunk” thing. That might be a good or bad thing though depending on the person. So we can assume that’s most likely the limit(or very close to it) of how much an individual can be improved without any seriously negative side effects because of how “pure” the serum he took was.

The physical effects of the serum have been duplicated and even surpassed in the comics but due to Steve's personality he has been the best super soldier.

I'd be confident in saying GG is stronger. Cap was near the same as Bucky, Tom SM could easily catch a punch from Bucky. GG almost beat the shit out of that SM, he also tore away Tobey's orgnaic web which would be same as spider-web but thicker, literally a metal cord that is 5 times stronger than steel

Bro these videos are always on point! I love getting to tell this to my friends before it becomes mainstream news! Keep up the good work fam!!!

I think Harry definitely took a smaller dose because he was less powerful but also less crazy then Norman

Its also a good idea to mention that Goblin is far beyond his physical prime. So this would be notably weaker than what he could have been when he was younger or if it was given to an athlete or so on

Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man is the strongest spider and the way he stopped Peters punch as well as taking a beating from Tom Holland’s spider show great strength Green Goblin is stronger than Captain America yet not as fast or skilled as well as having immense resistance because of Norman’s psychosis

Goblin literally overpowered Rami Spider-Man who lifted a 100 ton + wall and stopped a train, and MCU Spider-Man who holds together ships, collapsing buildings and trolled super soldiers in his 1st appearance.

The Goblin would Beat Captain America for these reasons 1. He is insane and a Genius at the same time. His mind will work in more dark and intricate ways than Cap to find an opening to exploit. 2. He has gadgets he can use as combos in a fight. If the Goblin found a way to integrate his sleeping gas in a combo then Cap may lose. 3. He has a Glider. Taking on the Goblin alone is never the case as his glider is always with him. Really, when fighting the Goblin, one is fighting two opponents. 4. His armour is stronger than Caps uniform. This means Cap is more likely to get injured than Norman. 5. Cap's shield. If Goblin could separate the shield from Cap, that would dramatically reduce his effectiveness as a combatant as Cap entire fighting style is engineered to accommodate the usage of his shield. Once the shield is out of the picture, Norman is only left to fight an exceptional unarmed combatant. That being said, referring to Reason 3, the Glider is like another opponent to opponents of the goblin. As the Glider is remotely controlled by Norman and may hold its own ai like features, an exceptional unarmed combatant such as Cap will be against another highly skilled unarmed combatant with blades coming out of his body, and an advanced flying apparatus with built in blades, bombs, machine guns, rockets, and disintegrating grenades.

I think the Oscorp serum is actually better. Norman seems to take no damage. Steve gets punched and bleeds often. I think insanity and stuff would have been in the super soldier serum as well. That’s why he was careful who got it and pushed so hard for Steve to be selected for the experiment. Like the serum wasn’t what allowed him to lift Thor’s hammer. Steve was a special person.

The Captain America serum makes sense to be the superior super soldier serum of the 2. I mean, as far as we know there’s only been 1 user of it and it physically changed the user’s body in beneficial ways. Even if you just took 1 part of the serum and say the mentality is altered, the Green Goblin serum has a negative effect by causing the user to go crazy while the Super soldier serum has a benefit of making your brain function better like a ram upgrade to a computer.

Good stuff! The Goblin’s serum was insane! It would be great to also see a comparison of Black Panther’s elixir vs. Goblin’s serum. I’m not really talking about them in their suits, just the raw gains they get.

I'm excited to see Dr strange multiverse of madness. Just to see how many things got messed up because of that spell. But I'm also really excited what's next for Peter Parker (Tom Holland) and what new challenge he's going to face.

I think Goblin would have washed cap

You have to keep in mind the condition of each of them before they took the serum too, Norman was at least relatively healthy for his age, Steve was all kinds of messed up

Great vid! Idk why it has never dawned on me that Goblin serum was a Super Soldier attempt.

The 2002 movie Goblin is using a version of the super solider serum. In the movie there’s a news paper Norman reads that calls it the super soldier program.

Peter now should be obviously far superior to his Civil War self in both skill and strength,the comics do confirm he grew in strength as he got older but i cant find a statement confirming it about the MCU,regardless at nearly 18 he should be stronger than his 15 year old self He would beat Cap for sure now without bad writing. And if you say Cap beat Iron Man it has been confirmed that the Mark 46 was " limited non combatant suit with limited repulsors",you can even tell in the movie the suit is shit

It’s kind of scary how similar captain and goblin are so spidey fought captain America with high tech got lucky goblin didn’t just fly and bomb him goblin is awesome I really like that villain I hope to see a new version of him in the mcu maybe when they introduce Norman Pete will go crazy cause he knows what he’ll become while others think Pete is the crazy one for suspecting Norman to be bad

Can we mention that maybe Steve’s concern for others health or only willingness to not hurt more than necessary, might indicate that he’s holding back? Such as Spider-Man holds back for the same reasons. Where Goblin doesn’t hold back because he doesn’t care. Suggesting that if Cap truly unleashed full strength without regards for others and if they were injured or killed from his doing, he’d show even more powerful physical feats that were impressive than many others.

Steve Roger’s also holds back from going full on against opponents due to his morals

Absolutely, Goblins the stronger! It's obvious to see the captain had trouble fending off the Winter Soldier.. Where Spider-Man treated the Winter Soldier is nothing more than an annoyance.. Similarly, we can see the Green Goblin doing Spidey around with no problem.. So it must be that the Green Goblin Serum is much more strength inducing.. While as others have noted.. It doesn't exactly keep one sane either.. I'm pretty sure the captain would have rather kept his senses.. and I'm sure it's something that Ershkin and Stark accounted for

I probably can't wait to see Spider-Man versus venom whatever they call it it'll be cool see Spider-Man and venom on the same screen since Spider-Man 3 and also I really want that action figure

The Green Goblin bent spidey's webs one time, I believe spidey's webs are pretty strong (they also made the sound of metal bending when he bent em)

I think that part of the goblin taking pain so well comes from his psychosis. Or whatevee his mental state is called. I think he simply does not care that he is taking damage and finds it amusing. I say this because Harry differs drastically from Norman in this aspect. Harry is drastically slower to get back up while Norman laughs. I have seen this same thing happen irl and what I described is exactly why. Norman enjoys being hurt and gets a kick out of it while Harry and Cap dont

I thought the whole point of the goblin serum was that it gave a man power but not without cost. The who reason he made the serum is so they can make suoer soldiers but when applying it on man all that strength also amplifies adrenaline and bloodlust.

People forgetting GG has the gadgets to put cap down as well as being far superior in strength. Cap is more skilled for sure and the better fighter but Norman can fly around and bomb cap in a fight lol the shield can't protect his whole body from those explosives. As far as a fist fight between them it's like saying Mayweather (skill) vs Tyson (strength/power). Yeah skill helps but it only gets u so far when u dealing with a different weight division of heavy hitters. I always think of cap vs loki in avengers. He was connecting more and skilled but loki being a lot stronger was besting cap until iron man intervened

Good analysis

I’m very excited to see multiverse of madness. Releases around my bday too can’t wait

Goblins feat of catching that falling kid container thing with one hand then casually monaloging while holding it puts him above Cap. Cap is a 1-2 ton lifter Goblin is around the 10 mark. Goblin formulas only downside over super soldier serum is it mental instability it causes

Cap didn't come close to lifting the whole beam though. Also (spoiler!), Goblin taking full strength punches from Spider-Man while smiling shows his durability over Cap who got rocked by just a few punches from Winter Solider and was beat to hell. Cap wins in a fight but Goblin serum is more powerful. My opinion.

Non pissed peter stops Buckys arm effortlessly, same arm that Steve got his ass whipped by in winter soldier. A pissed off peter slams goblin with punches that did nothing. And if you think peter during the apartment scene was holding back as much as he was during civil war you are delusional. Goblin outclasses capt in every category but skill..

In spider man two. Spiderman lifted up a huge metal wall to stop Mj from being crushed and when when spiderman tried to punch green goblin at the festive event green goblin just stopped his fist Like ot was nothing

Also, Cap is peak human strength, technically being able to only lift upwards of 1100 pounds. Goblin has feats that go up to lifting 9 tons. Spider-man only topping this by 1 ton.

That was one plot hole in the first Captain America movie they never explained. Schmidt injected himself with a single syringe of the Serum, which wasn't even perfected yet. But somehow he was as strong as Rogers, who was injected with six vials of the perfected Serum, plus the Vita Rays, which were supposed to enhance the Serums effects. Even later on, in other MCU movies and t.v. shows, there are people who receive small doses of imperfect Serum that were replicated by other scientists and they all became as strong and as fast as Rogers or very close. So what was the point of all the doses of Serum and Vita Rays and whatnot, if even small amounts of Serum, no Vita Rays and not even really good Serum, can make you as enhanced as Captain America?

I'd say Cap's time with the super solider serum could give him a possible edge against Goblin. Norman didn't have much time to learn all he could do with his Goblin serum. His ability to think out and plan attacks and counter attacks would be another positive towards him. He could try to use Goblin's rage against him. What would give Norman the edge was that he has no limit to his moral code and is completely psychotic. Ultimately, he would not stop unless he was killed.

What a badass fight this would be, FR💯

to be honest, I don't think Thanos knocked steve out I think he killed steve with that shot to the head, then when he reversed time to retrieve the mind stone that action brought steve back to life. that's always been my head cannon.

Technically, but Cap was made strong without losing his mind.

I super hyped for Captain marvel 2 and the She hulk series

Glad this video was made, seeing the green goblin handle Spiderman and take his punches like nothing made me think of Spiderman stopping a winter soldier punch like nothing. Granted I'm sure bucky was holding back a bit when trying to hit Spiderman in civil war but when brain washed he went toe to toe with cap no problem and even had the upper hand. I think the "crazy" in Osborne helps in holding nothing back and not feeling pain as much .

So, here’s the thing. The super soldier serum only brought Steve Rogers to the maximum/peak physical human condition, so he is like your average very strong body builder But he can’t lift a bus like Spider-Man can, because Spider-Man has the strength of a spider, if a spider were the size of a human. But despite that, Green Goblin could still pin him (Spider-Man) to the ground with his bare hands, and threw him through many walls at once, making Goblin stronger than Spidey, making him (Goblin) stronger than Cap

It's definitely stronger than your average super soldier, but the drawbacks are you go completely insane, but I'm not sure if it beat Steve's super soldier 🤔 and I'd give agility to the goblin serum since he was fighting THE Spiderman

Steve: “I can do this all day” Norman: “I can do this all year”

I'm really excited for the multiverse of madness, i'm quite excited what variants may appear there

Norman held up a train car full of Boyscouts with one hand in the first Spider-Man with one hand, and he didn't even look like he was straining at all. He's easily stronger than Steve.

...in terms of pure physicality the goblin is superior to Cap.....

Normans pain tolerance definitely plays a big part.

A few things to emember though is that Cap was a scawny whelp before he was enhanced we have no idea if there would have been any difference if he were more average size and two, the good doctor wasn't exactly working with modern tech... it maes me rather curious to think what he could have gone on to do if he had lived or even if he flat out lived in more modern times

How did you fail to mention the 800% strength increase that was mentioned in spiderman 1? That would have been a good way to measure and objectify

Cap is a strong as the story needs him to be. It's very inconsistent. Seriously, pulling down a helicopter?!

I believe it’s also the psyche of the subject that was a major contribution. Steve was always the little guy wanting to help, always denies, always sick, yet always pushing forward never quitting to put others first. And this is prior to getting the serum. Steve’s will is far superior then any other super soldier.

What i know about the super soldier serums - goblins version was made using incomplete info from steves as a base as such it has instabilities such as mental state and unstable strength output its defensive augmentation is on par with healing but better at pain mittigation due to nuro effects ( there too insane to register hits below a threshold the effect from the hit is still the same however ) rogers serum was made balanced but was not designed to add anthing over a threshold to avoid loss of faclties in terms of full performance its situational what will be better- my opinion steves edges out being well balanced and not requireing a suit to augment his enhanced strength.

I agree that the Cap serum is superior to the Goblin serum, but I think in battle Goblin beats Cap 6/10 times.

My theory is this, the greater the strength, the greater the dual personality you get from any scrum. Cap = Very decent strength and a very balanced personality. Goblin = Slightly more greater strength feats than cap, but a fairly problematic dual personality. Hulk: Gamma induced super soldier scrum, Extreme strength feats and a completely insane and brutish personality. Sentry: Extreme strength, god-level dual personality.

there is a third serum Emil Blonsky (Abomination) in The Incredible Hulk movie

Very excited to see how either blade or doctor strange turns out

Cap struggled against an unexperienced spiderman and won mostley due to his shield. goblin beat a stronger more expirenced spiderman in the apartment with nothing but his pure strenght. And norman was able to slam peter down 4 or five floors with one move. That is way more impressive then what cap has shown.

norman is definetly stronger. I mean spiderman (tom) was able to easily stop a punch from buckys metal arm with one hand and was even joking about it bucky with his metal arm is as strong as steve in my opinion so spiderman is significantly stronger than steve and norman was able to physically destroy spiderman in the apartment fight and literally laugh off his punches like they were nothing. so norman> steve

I am excited Fantastic Four in the future, especially the Thing's CGI effects.

Can we just come together and appreciate William Defoe's Green Goblin? Didnt he absolutely create one of the most iconic characters? He added so many layers of depth to a character. Purely genius. That man could be the greatest Joker ever, the Riddler, literally anyone with that notorious psychotic character. The batman who laughs. I'd pay 100 dollars to see him cast as a bruce Wayne that becomes the joker. Oh. My. God.

My money is on Cap if the two ever got into a fist fight. Most excited for Deadpool 3.

I personally always found the use of Peter catching Bucky's arm to compare the strength of different characters to be unreliable. Sure cap took hits from Bucky and got pretty winded. But catching a metal arm with ur hand vs catching it with ur face is obviously not gonna be the same. Peter didn't fight the winter soldier, he fought Bucky. Peter caught the metal hand of a psychologically broken man trying to prove his innocence, and most likely swung at peter to just keep him at bay. And yes, it is absolutely impressive that Peter caught it, I don't think the same could've happened if he were fighting a brainwashed super soldier cyborg.

Osborn has the tech of Stark + the Drugs of Cap. if he wasn't insane/ evil he'd probably hang with any of the top tier heroes, instead he's one of the most dangerous regular Marvel villains, alongside Dr DOOM and Red Skull.

Great video