Was Tottenham's high line genius or stupid?

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Ange Postecoglou attempted something brave against Chelsea after going down to 9 men, sticking to his defensive high line. Did it work? JJ Bull explains why the Australian may have stuck to his guns
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@IHamilton9320 8 месяцев назад

JJ, I’ve watched this short 5 times trying to absorb what you’re saying but all I can focus on is that absolutely radiant frog. He is truly beaming

@adedirector 8 месяцев назад

Best explanation I've seen all week

@gregbeales7945 8 месяцев назад

It’s true they were completely safe. Apart from the 3 goals they conceded in the space of 21 minutes

@maxnovinger3113 8 месяцев назад

I don’t think u understand. Soccer tactics aren’t for everyone

@ephemeralburb 8 месяцев назад

@@maxnovinger3113Football* and not really, these are just stupid tactics, Chelsea scored 3 In the span of 21 minutes, yes, but it could have easily been 8, Jackson's alone fucked up at least 3, not big, enormous chances. After Spurs started doing this tactic Chelsea had 6.8 xG!!! Had it been an actually decent side that knows how to finish chances, like Brighton or Brentford the scorelines should have ended 8-1 or close to that. The amount of times Chelsea just took the worse decision or straight up missed a big chance was absurd.

@maxnovinger3113 8 месяцев назад

@@ephemeralburb we also could have tied it or taken lead. Plus 9 man teams almost always get scored on anyway. And two of their goals were late late while Tottenham was chasing. U might not understand but having 9 men and keeping it level until the 75th is impressive

@theblackswordsman9951 8 месяцев назад

@@maxnovinger3113 Spurs only could have equalised from 1 chance, Chelsea had many and it took heroics from Vicario for even that. Spurs got lucky that Chelsea are so bad going forward. Anyone else and it would have been a cricket score.

@briggm 8 месяцев назад

@@theblackswordsman9951One chance? Watch the game back. After going to down to 9, Dier had the ball in the back of the net, only to be marginally ruled offside by millimetres. Bentancur had an unmarked header about a foot from goal. Son was through on goal and scuffed the shot. That is three really good chances, not one.

@hlamzar 8 месяцев назад

If he knew anything about Chelsea he would've parked the bus. Chelsea is atrocious playing against a team that's sitting back

@rvne3959 8 месяцев назад

Yeah mate you know more about Chelsea than a premier League manager

@nishantdas3472 8 месяцев назад

@@rvne3959a manager who has been in PL for 4 months ? Yeah mate we all do

@hlamzar 8 месяцев назад

@@rvne3959 yeah as a Chelsea supporter I know I do. He lost 4-1. We lost to 90% of the teams that parked the bus. Even West ham with a red card.

@ravipopplin 8 месяцев назад

With Eric Dier in defence, the bus is more like a tuk tuk

@hlamzar 8 месяцев назад

@@ravipopplin 🤣🤣 true. But dier with a high line is just asking to be embarrassed

@tophev07 8 месяцев назад

I get the rationale but I just don’t think it’s smart given who they were playing. Chelsea are a shambolic team in attack for how much talent and potential they have, and they’ve shown they can’t break down a low block. I think it was foolish in the extreme, but both teams deserved to lose in the end

@briggm 8 месяцев назад

Chelsea have struggled to break down a low block against 11 men, Spurs had 9. It's also worth remembering that Spurs CB duo was Eric Dier, who was playing his first minutes of the season, and Hojbjerg, a midfielder. There is no way that Spurs were holding out for 30 minutes with 9 men and that defence by allowing wave after wave of attack. Liverpool couldn't hold out with 9 when they had their best defenders on the pitch including VVD.

@benjamindover4521 8 месяцев назад

@@briggmIt’s Chelsea ffs, it could be hasbulla at cb and you could still hold them off with 9 men

@Pppppppppppppppppk 8 месяцев назад

@@benjamindover4521you understand the players on Chelsea are professional footballers right? Playing 9 in a low block would be difficult against Luton. Just cause a team is struggling to finish doesn’t mean that they are incapable of doing so. With 9 men (one of them being Eric Dier) they would have been minced even harder if they played low block. They’re and offense oriented team. They will play an offensive style

@ahmedbinrobiaa5043 8 месяцев назад

It wasn't a good idea playing that way, He needs to learn from Klopp.

@user-ny1sc1ys4o 8 месяцев назад

Yeah he really did keep his team in the game with 3 goals in 21 minutes 🤣🤣🤣

@alexgallion8112 8 месяцев назад

Tbf it wasn’t actually the worst idea it worked well until they got reduced to nine men then it was a lot harder to execute the plan

@grievuspwn4g3 8 месяцев назад

Even then, their offside trap was working. Why drop it?

@LumpShorts 8 месяцев назад

@@grievuspwn4g3No it wasn't, Chelsea were just wasting chance after chance until they finally scored. Their problem is scoring goals against teams that are sitting back, they should've parked the bus and secure the draw

@beastgav4143 8 месяцев назад

Moral of the story: don’t have 9 men on the pitch 😅

@BSTComps 8 месяцев назад

It was stupid, Chelsea always struggle against low blocks and miss big chances. People wouldn’t be praising them if Chelsea didn’t miss about 5 clear cut chances

@unknownunknwn914 8 месяцев назад

if son scored that chance it would have been 2-2

@BSTComps 8 месяцев назад

@@unknownunknwn914 it should of been 3-1 minimum to Chelsea by then, so that’s irrelevant.

@tuhonglam9418 7 месяцев назад

@@BSTCompsbruh, bentancur, and dier as well as many other spurs players missed loads of chances as well

@robinhocezar738 8 месяцев назад

But it didn't work at all and they were lucky it wasn't a cricket score.

@courtneynorman4234 8 месяцев назад

I feel like it worked until they became absolutely exhausted from sprinting back every time chelsea popped one over. If the game had finished at 70min it would’ve been genius. I think it was too much to ask them to keep it up for how long they had 9 men.

@apextheracer2022 8 месяцев назад

if van de ven didnt go out injured then it wouldve actually worked

@EVANH18 8 месяцев назад

While I do agree, I do think that if Chelsea had better finishers - everyone would be saying how stupid it was. It's only being deemed "smart" by some because they didn't concede 6 or 7 like they should have.

@jacobmcdermott55 8 месяцев назад

Literally, they do seem to be forgetting that Vicario put in a man of the match performance due to the amount he had to do and against a competent, confident side this would have been devastating. Let's also not forget they still shipped 3 goals doing it

@archmaester6594 8 месяцев назад

I think that was the point. Because Chelsea doesn't have a Haaland or Salah in their team, then Spurs can afford to be super aggressive. Klopp did something similar in his first season at Liverpool. Probably because he didn't trust his defence to handle the opposition's pressure. No one called him a genius then.

@Amu10x 8 месяцев назад

Thank you! I was tired of these reactions praising Ange too much,when we used to do it in this same situation everyone laughed at us so I mean that's not fair🤷🏻‍♂️

@superspurs88 8 месяцев назад

@archmaester6594 I agree the argument that spurs would have conceded a tonne if they played a Liverpool or City is pointless. They obviously wouldn't have done this against a team like that with clinical finishers.But because its Chelsea who are not clinical they gave it a go and were pretty successful at this till 90+4 min.

@goodnessbassey7692 8 месяцев назад

A smart comment.

@joemyhill9779 8 месяцев назад

This is just everyone on fifa after they go 2-0 down

@alefander4622 8 месяцев назад

and there's people that looks only to the final score

@has199 8 месяцев назад

In this case however the final score is reflective of how the game went

@pengoo6048 6 месяцев назад

@@has199 Not really

@has199 6 месяцев назад

@pengoo6048 yes really. Tottenham deserved to lose that game 4-1given how they persisted with the stupid high line

@pengoo6048 6 месяцев назад

@@has199 The score didn't refelct the game though. Sure Tottenham deserved to lose, but a 4-1 shows that Chelsea were the dominant team overall which wasn't the case. Chelsea played poorly that game.

@has199 6 месяцев назад

@@pengoo6048 they were dominant after Spurs went down to 9 men. Chelsea had 4xG

@davenalunat1433 8 месяцев назад

Ange didn't watch any of our games. He didn't know that we struggle on creating chances against low blocks (West Ham, Forest, Brentford). 😂 But he's a genius!

@RuiEspinha 8 месяцев назад

I still don't understand the fuss and the praise about this approach. He tried an unorthodox but super high risk move and lost 4-1, there have been teams doing amazing comebacks when being down to 10/9 players, why is this being looked at as some big brain move?

@Nite-owl 8 месяцев назад

They had a perfect example played against them when they played Liverpool who kept Spurs out until an own goal in extra time. Spurs didn't seem to execute it quite as well seeing that they shipped goals.

@Casual93 8 месяцев назад

It may be dumb, but no one can deny that it was a joy to watch. I hated watching us sit deep and throw games, win others 1-0 that we should have buried. Its early days and it's different; but now spurs are a team one might be scared of, not just a ', tough nut to crack'.

@alirezamohseni928 8 месяцев назад

But therz one thing ur missing. Chelsea find it much much more difficult to score when facing a low block and tend to be vulnerable on the counters. Even with 9 men spurs could sit back defend and strike at the right time especially since it was chelsea that was under pressure not spurs.

@just_kez 8 месяцев назад

They'd have won the game in a low block though. Chelsea can't unlock the block

@ocb7160 8 месяцев назад

No, because the score was 1-1 when they went 2 men down. Anges approach consisted on taking risks in defence in order to still be able to attack and maybe win the game. If Spurs had played a low block (which they haven't done all season) would mean a lot less chances to score. It almost worked too, remember Dier's disallowed goal.

@just_kez 8 месяцев назад

Chelsea would've had to play through a low block, something that they haven't been able to do in a very long time, instead they finally figured out how to play against a high line and won the game. There's a reason that so many teams, with better coaches play a low block and play on the counter, that's cos it usually works. Ange made the wrong decision, the only reason it's being praised is cos it was something new. No disrespect to Ange, I really like him, but he made the wrong decision

@FullMetalFishFarmer 8 месяцев назад

@@ocb7160 Spurs had the option to concede less and possibly nab a goal, or concede loads and possibly nab a goal. Good choices were made!

@briggm 8 месяцев назад

@@just_kezHahaha, "usually works". Riiiiiight. Point out the matches to me where a team goes down to 9 men, sit in a low block for 30 minutes and it goes well for them. Also, we'd have to factor in that the team with 9 have lost their 2 starting CBs, so they're relying on a midfielder to play that position against wave after wave of attack. Again, where are the examples backing up the idea that would "usually work"with 9 men? 🤣 I don't want to take up too much of your time, so perhaps you could provide just a few examples? 😂

@just_kez 8 месяцев назад

I'll be honest, off the top of my head I'd struggle to find examples. However, what I could do is find numerous examples of Chelsea struggling against a low block and losing to counter attacking teams. Which is important because Chelsea were the opposition and struggle against low blocks, they have no creativity. Ange made the wrong call, it's ok to say it, coaches sometimes get it wrong

@mkm7806 8 месяцев назад

Liverpool Down to 9 Men, Played Low Block, Almost Drew the Game, Spurs Down to 9 Men, Played High Line, Loses 4-1. Always Play Low Block when 9 Men down 😅

@babatunski6672 8 месяцев назад

That's the thing. Even when you do a low block you still managed to concede. An OG still a goal stop tryna act like they don't mean anything. It certainly costed liv 3 pts. Also play high line wasn't a bad idea at all. Either wait for Chelsea to score or we go sicko mode and attack

@mkm7806 8 месяцев назад

@@babatunski6672 But Goal Difference can be factor,end of the League. And Losing to Rivals 4-1 considered as humiliation 🤮

@naughtybynature999 8 месяцев назад

I wonder if teams now are exploiting a low block while also overloading the opponents third. I know this goes against convention with the midfield being more or less empty, but i feel like if a club mastered this tactic it could be somewhat effective

@cacuevas 8 месяцев назад

They are lucky it was Chelsea, any team from the top 5 or 6 would’ve put 7 or 8 past them

@hulkboifanki 8 месяцев назад

And you expect us to care? Yanited took 7 from Liverpool with 11 men. What's your point here?

@TheIanlincoln 7 месяцев назад

I think tactics are only as good as the results they get. Not a good tactic!

@rxziy6822 8 месяцев назад

Remember folks spurs lost 4-1

@jimmyf1446 8 месяцев назад

We don't care

@kth6736 8 месяцев назад

At home no less. 3-point-lane.

@Pppppppppppppppppk 8 месяцев назад

Playing with half a squad and losing their best player mid game, playing with a team no one expected anything from to begin with. Anyway can’t wait to watch PSG fumble the UCL in knockouts again

@scarv7544 8 месяцев назад

@@kth6736two men down, lost a crucial defender and the best player in the PL this season. That tends to make games hard to win 😭😭

@kth6736 8 месяцев назад

@@scarv7544 and who told those two men to commit dangerous fouls? Excuses excuses.

@stevechapman2301 8 месяцев назад

The only good reason was to show the players that he is resolute in playing his way. Keeping a high line without pressure on the ball is just bad defending

@Kyle-mw3bo 8 месяцев назад

Ok but like, if they had dropped deep they would have stood a decent chance of holding out against a team with a out-of form striker. We see it every week. It might have only been a 30% chance with 9 men but that’s better than the near certainty of having a high line broken by a simple run

@InstigatorDJ 8 месяцев назад

Liverpool always play a high line, and with 9 men vs Spurs we strill employed the technique, actually scoring and then VAR not awarding the goal because CHEATING.

@mikesantiago14 8 месяцев назад

with 9 men it was already a lost game. i think postecoglou just wanted them to keep with the system for long term consistency

@sylvestermalcommazani783 8 месяцев назад

It was brilliant. Cfc struggled to find solutions against that

@xxmusashi 7 месяцев назад

In my infinite non coaching wisdom I think Ange tried to force the Tottenham out of Tottenham. He tried force them to challenge us even in a dire situation like that. It would’ve been so easy to just low block and pray. Also yes I am a Chelsea fan.

@benwright3234 8 месяцев назад

Exactly, people criticising ange annoys me. With vicario playing the sweeper like that they essentially have an extra defender. Ppl say it’s risky ( dumb pundits) but tbh they were competitive untill jackson scored the third in 92nd min. They had 2 disallowed and a couple of very good chances late in the game at 2-1. If ange got a draw he would’ve been a genius. I still think it’s the right way to play the game if this is the situation. Fun to watch, that’s all that matters

@Greek_Loki 8 месяцев назад

Absolutely stupid. Chelsea missed many goals, caught offside a couple of times for a centimeter and still got to score 3 of the easiest goals of the season.And that's only because it was Chelsea and they could not pass a simple through ball or finish the chances.If it were City,Arsenal or Liverpool against the same tactics,they would score a two-digit number easily. But in my stupid opinion,i believe that if Spurs had put 9 men in their box,Chelsea wouldn't have scored even if the match lasted two weeks, and spurs would fight for 1 point,instead of conceding 3 goals.Keep in mind that they were playing with their substitute center backs at the time (Dier,Skipp and Hojbjerg) ,which non of them is famous for his speed.

@ashleydavis7448 8 месяцев назад

That is a very Spurs explanation other teams go down to 10 or 9 men and drop deep and do much better sometimes even win when you drop deep there is little to no space before the ball runs out of play

@cab0316 8 месяцев назад

Should have ended 15-1. Embarrassing finishing by Chelsea

@msfss7312 8 месяцев назад

They likely can defend better if play deep coz Chelsea goal converstion is terrible. Then hit with counter which theh also struggel to defend. But im not a manager

@hanzosiku 8 месяцев назад

Even he doesn't seem convinced this highline was a valid option. 😅😅😂😂

@EnormeEkoH 8 месяцев назад

At this point the keeper aint a sweepee is literally a defender

@FullMetalFishFarmer 8 месяцев назад

I agree to a point but you also have to consider how atrocious Chelsea are when confronted with a low block. They cannot break them down (see Brentford last weekend) so actually the better option in this case would have been to sit back. As a Chelsea fan, I appreciate Spurs being idiotic and dogmatic in equal measure!

@Timbone07 8 месяцев назад

This wont work even in football manager and the AI i usually dumb. Grown men would easily exploit it

@TheWierdVibe 8 месяцев назад

I respect Ange but that highline was the worst idea tbh even against a team like Chelsea.

@FionnMUFC 8 месяцев назад

It didn’t work at all. They shipped four at home to a terrible Chelsea team. Postecoglou’s PR team working overtime has saved him from being called out

@ephraimlion 8 месяцев назад

It was doomed to begin with. All what it takes for 1 person to time their run very well with a lobbed ball. So basic! Chelsea should have scored like 8 goals.

@53232adrian 8 месяцев назад

Yeah they could have lost a lot more if not for the keeper. What a bargain.

@nobletenshi7659 8 месяцев назад

It was only a struggling side like chelsea. Try doing this to Liverpool or Man City... Watch them greatly boost their F@A

@victorchuks4822 8 месяцев назад

Bro it was smart but Chelsea are known to find it difficult to score vs low block. Spurs should have kept der pride and do a low block

@samirhazlehurst8806 8 месяцев назад

It's as if people forgot all of a sudden that the offside rule exists. It's a perfectly reasonable and efficient tactic. I don't think it was worth the amount of media content generated.

@victorfidelis3 8 месяцев назад

Spurs isn't Liverpool 😂😂

@moseschitalu3665 8 месяцев назад

They should have taken notes from Liverpool

@newswithryan5683 8 месяцев назад

it's just who we are mate, it is who we are and who we will be for as long as I am here... if we go down to five men mate we will have crack. .. Big ange

@handlemchandleton3255 8 месяцев назад

Postecoglu is trying to create a culture at tottenham thats why he wants them going attacking no matter what, he is still a fairly inexperienced manager at this level so he'll learn more over time, just like our coach ten haag

@jameswyatt4443 8 месяцев назад

It was 4-1, nothing else matters, it was a stupid. If a manager like ten hag, or any manager under a lot of criticism did that right now and they lost 4-1, they would be destroyed for it.

@stevecam2109 8 месяцев назад

Like how liverpool and city do it

@marshtopia529 8 месяцев назад

They lost. It was stupid

@jakobsmith4046 8 месяцев назад

Yeah they definitely kept themselves in the game by conceding 4

@bishoygamal5455 8 месяцев назад

Or they could just drop back because chelsea suffer against teams that plays with a low block

@debeshnandi6 8 месяцев назад

They should have dropped back, agne is a good manager but messed up tactics after losing 2 players, should have learned from klopp

@bole3019 8 месяцев назад

Could’ve been 8-1 if Chelsea could finish

@doubled3344 8 месяцев назад

Bro thought he was klopp 😂😂

@Pppppppppppppppppk 8 месяцев назад

No cause if Klopp did this and lost 4-1 the only narrative being spun would be about how “his cbs just couldn’t execute” or the “soft second yellow card” cause Klopp can do no wrong and only ever loses to VAR or his players letting him down

@doubled3344 8 месяцев назад

@@Pppppppppppppppppk yeah but he's two good to lose 4-1 after going down to ix men.

@Pppppppppppppppppk 8 месяцев назад

@@doubled3344 you’re right he only loses 2-1 after going 1 down and pundits will make 400 millions excuses as to why

@joemurray3692 8 месяцев назад

In my opinion Postecoglou was an idiot playing that line.If he'd have studied how chelsea played aganist Brentford,he wouldve noticed the best thing to do would play deep as Chelsea could do nothing but ping the ball about.Mistakes were made and Brentford won 2-0.

@Billiamwoods 8 месяцев назад

Brentford didn't have 9 guys on the field, though. A lot harder to catch your opponent on errors when to avoid overloads your whole team would have to stay back hence no counterattack

@Pppppppppppppppppk 8 месяцев назад

He was playing around the fact he had Dier on the field. If the play low block with Dier they concede 7

@NS-vz1jz 8 месяцев назад

This was the dumbest idea. I used to respect Ange, but this was kamikaze, not managing game state and was "destined for doom". Funny to watch the implosion though

@TheBurdenOfHope 8 месяцев назад

Instead of waiting for their own doom, they inflicted almost certain doom upon themselves by playing ridiculously badly and getting hammered at home 1-4. This is mad

@callumellery456 8 месяцев назад

You clearly didn't watch the game. It was an even game with these tactics for most the game until they went to 9.

@FullMetalFishFarmer 8 месяцев назад

@@callumellery456 "...until they went to 9" - which is the period of time that OP and this video was talking about

@callumellery456 8 месяцев назад

They also created 3 very close goal scoring chances. On another day they could've walked away with 3 points.

@hulkboifanki 8 месяцев назад

Stick to cricket, buddy.

@sagnik25 8 месяцев назад

If Chelsea has some good attackers they could score 7😂

@_ace786 8 месяцев назад

it was dumb...their cbs cant play 1 on 1, arent fast and were never good

@janelwilson301 8 месяцев назад

It actually was BRILLIANT for about 10-12 minutes. Chelsea were visibly frustrated. Should've dropped back at that point bc I honestly think Chelsea would have imploded. 1-1 would've been better than 4-1 but they stuck to their plan and there is reward in that as well. Big respect to Spurs

@14_Phoenix 8 месяцев назад

Cuz stupid, SIMPLE. Shouldve been down 7 goals minimum, had chelsea been more clinical. Had it been city or liverpool, they would have actually punished such naive tactics.

@manqobakunene 8 месяцев назад

So I'm guessing he didn't see all the chance that Chelsea created? If that was City of even Arsenal the scoreline would've been scary. Playing such a highline with 9 man was suicide man. We all for progressive football but this is getting out of hand now 😂😂

@jay_archie 8 месяцев назад

This is the fool explaining the sport to casuals ffs …Chelsea struggle against low blocks a high line was gonna get exploited eventually

@Masquerade9 8 месяцев назад

It was a terribly stupid thing to do. No question about it.

@scarv7544 8 месяцев назад

Negative ball knowledge in these comments 😭😭

@vietnamsounds10 8 месяцев назад

As an Arsenal fan I loved it. Spurs losing 4-1 😂

@tilewajohnson4427 8 месяцев назад

I more often than not agree with u bt this one is not clicking with my feeble football mind. They could have had a point if they sat back and played on the counter but he disrespected Chelsea. I get that u like it bt it's not logical. If it were City would he have done that?

@jimmyf1446 8 месяцев назад

Because we do what we want