I enjoyed the heavy brick feel of gta 4. I found that it worked because the physics let you throw that weight around really well. The motorcycle physics also should have stayed from 4. I'm pretty sure they used the midnidnight club LA engine for the driving physics just tweeked.
For those who have never been in an LS400 those cars come off the line smooth like a coffin. You can hardly tell if the car is on. It’s difficult to imagine this car being more smoother than it already is.
My favorite description about that engine is the following: The allowable tolerance for vibration is zero. If the motor mounts are healthy, there is ZERO vibration that comes into the cabin. Even with the engine turning 5000 revs.
@@mangoesareonsaleatcoles660 Sure, well you just keep pumping power into something that currently uses no power and see how your fuel bills look. In a time when every company is looking to increase efficiency. No chance.
I thought Mercedes had developed some very advanced suspension. Perhaps Bose could be persuaded to opensource the Technology and not wait until the patents expire.
I don't know the actual details of how much the suspension system costs and weighs, but this new suspension feature is more of a luxury rather than a neccessity. If it's too expensive to integrate, it would mean car manufacturers would have to raise the price of the cars making it less affordable to consumers. Unless you have all the data and the economics concerning this, please don't make such a careless statement.
there's a good chance they ditched it due to trends in the car industry A suspension system like this would be expensive, but also make the road have almost no textured feeling, the thing is modern cars are trending to be more sporty, and tactile, so a system like this would go against popular trends (trends that consumers bought into) there's a reason power steering is tuned to give force feedback, and not feel floaty like 70's land yacht, or car designers are making everything angular and aggressive looking, even on slow consumer sedans and SUV's trends might bring magnetic suspension into popularity in the future with luxury cars thought
Bromie Sorry but u sound like an idiot. No such thing as “too expensive” with certain cars, and many ultra-luxury cars still have buyers that want smooth, no bump driving with NO ROAD FEEL! The Bose suspension ACTUALLY HANDELED BETTER making your use of the word “sporty” absolutely meaningless. Think, then type.
The Suspension in the other Car was absolute crap. No Lexus with a regular Suspension wiggles that mich. The Porsche on the other Hand needs a stiffer Suspension because it is a Sports car
Xylius Schaaij Wait... So you're saying that there's a well known and understood technology that they used to achieve this result rather than inventing some never before seen system/technology that would take billions of dollars and a lot of time to develop only to achieve the same result?! That's absolute madness, you're crazy man.
we've had a citroen c4 which despite its pretty normal suspension technology was remarkable at swallowing speed bumps. If only it didn't break every 3 or so years...
This is quite close to the Citroen hydropneumatic suspension that was introduced in 1955 in the DS-model. The Citroen Xantia Activa from 1995 was even better. Bose reinvented the wheel sotospeak...
@@stc2828 it would no cost more then 100k if its mass produce i know cars like bentley mulsane and rolls customer would pay the aditional cost for the extra magic carpet ride
It's not a secret or magic. It's a hydraulic suspension system but the fluid inside is magnetic. Changing the strength of the magnetic field acting on the fluid changes the fluid's viscosity almost instantly. An onboard computer is able to adjust the stiffness of the suspension thousands of times per second.
I swear I thought of this when I was a kid in the early 90s and I saw a Mercedes go by when I was riding my bike. I thought “what if the car could read the road ahead and push and pull the tires in anticipation of the road surface” and it seems like this is exactly what this does.
mercedes actually implemented that in some of their cars with air suspension starting in the mid 2000's i believe, their suspension uses radar to detect the road and tighten or loosen up in response to surface changes
Impressive, but still Citroën made it earlier and simpler. Of course hydropneumatics is not as easy to actively control as electromagnets, but let's be honest, Citroën produced and sold those cars since 1956 until late 2010s. Most notable are the hydractive systems introduced in XM and Xantia Activa, perfected in the C6.
Just saw an ad of chinese luxury van (GAC M8), that advertise this type of suspension as a feature... Good to see, that this technology didn't get permanently shelved like many other good one's. 👍
If it's electromagnets you could bank the car during turns/braking which would increase rider comfort quite a bit. Just a few degrees makes a huge difference in perceived Gs. And, oh my god. It can bunny hop.
As great as this is, most people will get car sick if they don't feel any connection to the road, it's very trippy if you have been in a high end luxury car. Also you could damage the car if you don't feel what you went over. Just a thought!
a few decades of r&d and this product would have been made light enough and cheap enough for mainstream production. computers used to weigh a lot and cost a lot of money, now you get many times the computing power and it fits in your pocket and won't break the bank
The jump almost made it look like it's way a joke, but man... Was that real? That's some really interesting stuff, is there more about it? Like did it continued in some way?
Car: **drives** Police: I will ruin this mans whole career. Also police: **drops spikes** Car: **jumps over spikes** ez.. Police: **surprised pikachu face**
DuBstep115 I’ve looked at the best air suspension tech that you can buy and non of it can do those large adjustments in fractions of a second. There is also a lot more going on with the adjustment tech with the Bose suspension
Consider this : The ‘Conventional suspension’ shown in this video is that of a Lexus LS400, which was one of the best riding cars of its time. And the Bose suspension just casually beats it like it’s nothing. Just think about that
@@supercruiser4925 That’s exactly what i was thinking. If you do not have anything original in mind, do not post the comment and for god sakes, do not try to be “funny” under literally every video to compensate the following: no friends, no family, dead dog etc.
Magnetic suspension has been available in a production car since 2004 (2003 build date) it was only available in the Cadillac XLR then available in others a several years later (MagneRide gen2) as an option I drove a XLR .. The ride was not always super smooth aka Phantom bumps in the road, and if the suspension bottomed out it made a loud noise..... it put heavy ware on the other suspension components i.e tie rods steering rack which cost more $$$$$ to replace. it was then offered in the Tahoe LTz / GMC Yukon Denali 2015 model... it's 400-500$ for each shock when they break.. it was really nice at higher speeds well over 120MPH though on the 210 freeway
@@punker4Real Ah ah ah. The Cadillac MagneRide is totally different from the Bose setup. The Cadillac actively changes the damping ratio in the shock absorbers only. While the Bose is essentially floating on electromagnets that they can increase or decrease the power to change the spring rate thus lifting and lowering the car over the bumps and dips to keep the car body dynamically level.
I've never seen suspension that makes the vehicle jump over obstacles. That is some next level stuff right there. No wonder it was deemed too impractical. That was almost unbelievable!
+feduo45465 I contacted Bose many years ago for this. It requires a lot of electricity. The draw on the engine's alternator would lower fuel economy ~10%. That's what really did it in.
Bobby Garrity It has been done already by Mercedes however in a different manner when Mercedes launched Magic Body Control in the 2014 S Class. It uses cameras to scan the road ahead which allows the suspension to "predict" the bumps and therefore move over it. Search Mercedes Magic Body Control.
@@GameRusher1234 The creators are thinking of bringing the glitch back, ever since the backlash from the fans. I think sometime around that 2030 update they've been teasing.
Too heavy and too expensive????? What a lame excuse! What's the REAL reason? Since when is a top of the class Mercedes s class or rolls Royce too heavy or too expensive? I don't buy that nonsense for a minute. This could have been implemented in a luxury car and their buyers would have been more than willing to pay the price of entry.
They show only large bumps on relatively low speed, when unsprung masses don't play a role. They don't show how it works on a lot small bumps at high speed, when the wheel will start to bounce.
The real reason is the suspension and tire business would go out of business. They made some backroom deals and paid a hefty sum if Bose would shelve this secret technology. Thus is the world in which we live.
+Nachtigall Okay let's say you are doing with 60 and you didn't see the speedbump and there is a person after it you couldn't be able to stop because you are in the middle of air going to space but there is a fuel leak so you blew up and everyone died because you ate an apple.
I've read an article about this that said it was considered for ambulances as well as luxury coaches. Speculation on reasons for it not working out included constant high power draw (as it's active it requires current for every oscillation) and also the impact of a power failure, which would presumably result in the unit completely collapsing unless it also were combined with a conventional spring
Those are 2 very good points. Constant power draw would require upgraded alternator as well as battery making it more expensive on that end, and then on top of that for safety purposes you now also need another suspension incase the power ever stops. A very cool and usefull technology but our battery and power generating tech hasnt caught up to it
@@thespexks2565 also note that speedbumps would be useless if used in common cars, many people hate speedbumps but they are really important for keeping traffic safe
@@Dicaso9going over a speed bump at 30 mph is still gonna do damage to your car doesn’t matter what the suspension is. U just won’t feel it, but ur gonna have to slow down a lot to avoid damaging ur car
@@satanas6740 Your pretty sureness is not true then, because i was twelve when i reacted then. But i get your point. I interested into cars alot more because my dad has a car workshop. So i know that its like that. Thanks for your comment although it could have been nicer. Have a nice day! ;)
This suspension is really impressive and it's a shame that it never took off. It would be perfect for high end luxury cars such as the one they actually tested the suspension on.
TestedMATTIA Don't think so, two companies I've worked for both used money from research and development to improve AND lower the cost of existing products. i didn't say spend ALL the money from R&D on lowering the costs.
+Dieter Rust The main point of owning expensive speakers is being able to say you own expensive speakers. Many well-made more affordably-priced speakers deliver the same quality, but nobody will be as impressed by them as they will be by speakers that come with a high sticker price.
That is still the worlds best suspension ever built period I have been trying for months to get venture funding license the intellectual property from clear motion and restart the project
