It could be they were too cheap in the first place.... I agree on paper their price hikes have appeared aggressive, but they should never be in the same price bracket as Omega, Tudor etc
@@chrisjones6439 but now who would spend 22k on a JLC gold dress watch when they can get a VC or second-hand PP? They weren't even competitive enough at their old price, and they tried to ride the covid watch hype train.
@@chrisjones6439 Also their finishing is very mediocre (not bad) for the price, but a league under vacheron and PP. They are not on the same calibre. Blancpain finishing is better than JLC, not just on the case but also the movement is fully decorated.
I have never snowboarded nor skied and never had the desire to want to. But after watching this I’m ready to get the goggles on and chuck m’self down a black run!!! Great takes matey. Good to see you well!
I support you 100%. You need to start with the black runs. Do the others later. Remember to maintain your independence and never go on a freebie with Oris.
It’s easy to maintain independence and go on press trips. Brands want honest opinions. That’s the thing I hear to most “say what you really think” and “we like your content because you’re open and honest”.
@@BarkandJackSurely there's a dangerous line here? Part of the problem with "About Effing Time" is the blatant commerciality of your content. It started as a joke, but it became really dull. I was interested as I have a PO 38.5mm but you didn't mention that in your content. That was an oversight. All PO's are huge??? NO!
@@verynormalman I don't think there's a dangerous line, it simply comes down to integrity and intent. There are plenty of content makers (youtube, blogs, publications, newspapers) who will make content on anything provided they are paid for it. And they are happy to say whatever is needed to get paid. Sometimes it's hard to spot these. There are other people, like myself, who just make content on things they find interesting. Of course there's brand to topic bias at play: I love Tudor, Oris, Rolex, Omega, if they launch a dive watch, I'll cover it. But everyone has a bias from a newbie blogger to Nicholas Foulkes. I go on far more press trips than the ones I share. Typically 1 month, but I only make content if the product is interesting. This Oris trip is a perfect example, the watch that was launched was boring, and there wasn't an interesting story, hence why I didn't make any content on it at all. This was the watch that was launched: www.oris.ch/en-GB/watch/father-time-limited-edition/01-754-7741-3161-set The typical publications made content on it, usually because they have an agreement with the brand to do so. I don't because I'm independent. This was why AET worked well, we had one guy who has relationships to protect from an advertising point of view, one guy who had relationships to protect from a commercial point of view, and then me with the freedom to say what I want.
As a daily all rounder Id personally go with an Aqua Terra. JLC not being trendy is one of the main reasons why I want one. That and the quality. Shame they have increased the prices by an absurd amount..
"The power of Swiss Franc" sorry but I am Swiss, living in Switzerland and I can tell you that we had the same price hikes those last years. I bought a Reverso last year and prices went up about 30% within the last 18 months...
Hi, regarding prices, I am leaving in Switzerland and even in our country the price of Watches has increased a lot, too much, as inflation here is low. So it is not really the fault of the strength of Swiss Franc. By the way, welcome in Zermatt 😊.
Funny, I completely agree with you on Citizen and Seiko. Seiko is starting to move their prices up market, while Citizen is producing some great enthusiast watches. Seiko also needs to realize that micro brands are shipping with bracelets that are easily 10x the quality of what they are using for less money. My Halios Universa has one of the best bracelets PERIOD, and it cost me $700. I paid almost $1k for my SPB213, and the bracelet and clasp are trash. They need to up their game if they are going to keep upping their prices.
Add me to the voices who say you missed the boat on the JLC Polaris. A stunning watch that has huge buzz right now… oh… and i have a Reverso that I love (full disclosure… I also have a Cartier Tank).
Lucky enough to own a JLC world timer - definitely the most refined of my watches and knowing that only someone who really understands watches would notice it is reassuringly pleasing
@@JoeDAgatanice drones but more of another mate filming 😉 By the way Adrian you need do more content! Forget About Effing Time 🕰️ é passar! Amigo Adrian no need for 2 more dudes and only one has all the power… 😊 Keep up with your awesome videos/reviews about awesome watches! Still waiting for lower customs 🛃 taxes could buy 2 for price dam taxes 😊
Great to have one of your videos up, even just a Q&A. I liked seeing your "live" thoughts in action for the P39 vs. MkXX recommendation. It was like a little insight into your thought process, which adds credibility to the recommendation. I completely agree on JLC. I considered a JLC when I ended up getting an Explorer II, specifically the blue Polaris automatic. While a nice watch, I did not feel it offered as much of a value at $8,400. At the current $10,500 price it's completely ridiculous, "Watch maker's watch maker" or not.
Shame you don't make that much content anymore, but wishing you well with whatever exciting endeavours are happening this year... cheers Adrian. AFT I get myself a 3861 hesalite speedy I think (although that would involve selling my IWC Mark 16 on metal bracelet.... so I'm considering my options.... I may wait and just get a Speedy in the long term without selling the IWC....damn these watch dilemmas)
Always a pleasure when I see a new video out. About the second-hand market, a little story. I travel to Treviso (small town close to Venice) quite regularly. There are two or three jewelries which sell nice pre-owned watches. Until recently, they would have one or two pieces on display. Last time I was there (before Christmas), one of the them had at least fifteen Rolexes (from Subs to GMTs to Daytonas), others had Patek, VC, Zenith. From someone with cash, something that finally looks a bit more like a buyer's market.
Your 100% right about the planet ocean, it’s too thick. Even the bezel. Have you ever looked at the planet ocean profile? That bezel is obnoxiously tall.
I mean, JLC has a sports watch offering with the Polaris but is nowhere near as popular as a speedy, sub, BB58, Seamaster, Santos etc which is why the brand as a whole is less popular compared to those others. If JLC wants to move up in in the pecking order, the Polaris, or a different sports offering, watch needs to sell much better. Otherwise it will continue to be an enthusiast only brand.
@@justinbuska3499 - JLC are quite happy to be an enthusiast brand - the Polaris a great watch and range, everything from a date, to a chrono to a perpetual calendar... stainless or gold... rubber, leather or bracelet - the key thing is it's not a Rolex, Omega or Tudor - it costs more, and that's why JLC owners like and buy them. Put simply, they're better made watches and worth the premium - plus when another watch enthusiast sees one, they know all of the above.
i love JLC and their polaris is the sports watch you are talking about in my opinion. Polaris memovox has an alarm that can ring underwater and its 300 m water resistance . Its expensive for me personally but i would but that over a IWC, tudor , rolex any day. Their dial is beautiful enamel (boutique editions) and they also do a perpetual calendar. its just lovely on a bracelet , rubber strap , or leather. try it out if not yet ..
Great video Adrian, as always, but really stunning production value too. Backlit video looks amazing, sounds is spot on, drone footage icing on the cake! I hope JLC prices come down, I have my eye on a Reverso pre owned. I think the Reverso is a great watch and will start conversations more often than Cartier. Love the Cartier too however... age old rivalry.... keep 'em coming!
Wife just surprised me for my bday with a brand new AD explorer 2 white dial, apparently I chucked one on in Milan and she liked it I thought nothing could replace my Batman as my fave (⚫️🔵) as it’s my teams colours, but gotta say there’s something classic and understatedly cool about it. Never had a white dial anything either. Already more compliments than my Batman too So don’t listen to the haters Adrian, bland is IN & chicks think they’re cool too 😎😉😂
This is crazy, how can someone put a Q&A comparing Omega to Tudor, if Longines vs Tudor was in discussion that's another story but Omega?! really?!!! . Tudor doesn't hold a candle to Omega. Omega has a long history of innovation in watchmaking technology. Their commitment to incorporating cutting-edge materials and advancements in horology can provide a technological edge over Tudor.
Great location Adrian, I love the absence of sound when in snow covered mountains. There is such peace. I appreciate the effort and time you took to do this from such a great place. I must visit this place at some point.
Regarding JLC, I would like to mention the reverso squadra home time. A sporty looking reverso. A very underrated model. Prices are decent on the secondary market too.
Oh dang!!! What a gorgeous video Adrian and team! Just epic!!! I did a watch exodus for January from too much watch content and was so happy to be greeted by this video upon my return!!! I’m excited to see what you have in store for 2024!!!
I’ve been to Andermatt, very beautiful and wonderful Watch boutique in the Chedi. Zermatt is definitely on my bucket list. Fantastic seeing you back on the screen!
@@MtNgravel just googled it. Very nice watch. Personally I'd buy an IWC and omega railmaster for the same price combined. I'd never begrudge anyone buying JLC. the quality is not in doubt
Hello, it's great to hear you're enjoying your new straps. We've got plenty of new products coming in 2024 as well, so keep your eye on the shop if you fancy any others!
“A fan of good looking watches that wear well”. Very well said. Rolex, Omega, Tudor, Seiko, etc. all make some great watches. I have an Omega Seamaster Pro 300 that I love. Would Also love to have an Explorer or the Explorer 2 in white.
I think JLC tried the Veblen principal of marketing , but then added vat and then a handling charge , and it was a very large increase pretty much over night . Maybe anyone that was close to buying decided it was now out of reach and some fell for the principal ? I’ve no idea which way their sales have gone , and I doubt they’re the best source of funding out the truth . I guess if the prices stay at the higher level it must be working , but I stopped looking at them
Great to see you back, awesome video and scenery. Was worried if it went any longer you’d be wearing nothing 🫣🤣. Started off with a puffer jacket 🧥, body warmer, and t shirt. Ended up with just a t shirt 😮. Keep up the great vids 🤳
Great backdrop, Zermatt is one of my favourite places, 2 quick points…1. I wear my JLC Reverso only when wearing a suit which is a shame but I still get loads of compliments but I do believe that the Polaris is a great sport/diver as is the Master Control a nice daily sport watch. 2. I find that after collecting watches for the better part of 35 years that my favourite watches are the ones that fly under the radar, I love my Glashutte seventies and my Zenith El Primero open heart but they are not talked about enough, I would buy another Glashutte or JLC before adding to my Rolex collection….I guess I’m just odd that way. Great videos and content. Cheers
You do that snowboard meet there, and I'd probably join (from America)! Always wanted to try riding the Alps! That would be tempting indeed! ....would need to get back into shape though, lol.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the JLC Polaris as an option for someone looking at either an Explorer or a Sub. I wish JLC would do an updated Mark 11, 36-38mm case, fully-lumed dial, for around the price of an Explorer. I think it could be a hit.
@@alectang1614 Good point! I didn't think about the parent corp. This helps to explain why JLC isn't producing the another watch I'd want, and entry-priced Reverso similar to the Tank Solarbeat.
@@kevinkohler2750 that's the problem with modern JLC. They're cemented in positioned by Richemont as somewhere between Rolex and Vacheron/Patek - They won't allow them to make lower priced watches to compete with stablemate IWC/Panerai, and they can't allow them to make watches too high-end in fear of cannibalising sales from Lange and Vacheron. The end result is a brand in no man's land - save some money and get a Rolex or pay a little more for a Vacheron. Their best modern watch to date is the Duometre and they've not done anything with it for over a decade now. All they do is reissue old designs with new dials. I used to own a lot of JLC but sold them all and moved on to other brands.
Correct! And for people who can truly afford them. Rolex has become a watch for posers hence always worried about resale values Bec many are actually in over their heads in trying to be showy. Jlc ppl don't care about the resale and can buy yet another jlc if they suddenly feel like it . It's for the real deals. Many pp owners also have jlc
@jonparker1712 -- I must second that. It's my most badass diver, the movement is next level, and a photo of its dial is my cellphone's lock screen -- love that broad arrow handset. Checks all the boxes.
Recently tried the PO39 on and on the bracelet it's fucking heavy. Much prefer the P39 for the wearing experience, while the Omega definitely looks dope!
You seem to be forgetting the Reverso ACTUALLY IS a sports watch from back in the day! 😂 Maybe you don't see it that often because Reversos are today considered as dress watches and the dress code in watch meet-ups is usually casual.
@@BarkandJack yeah the green is boutique edition i just bought one a month ago almost new for 5000US dollar thy tank secondary market very good buy in my opinion
I don’t think people don’t want a JLC. I think more people are looking at them now because they don’t make an iconic watch that everyone else has or wants. I think sticking to their guns and just making amazing watches is standing them in good stead. Who wants to go to a watch meet up where everyone wears the same watches. That’s my story anyhow and I’ll wear my JLC with pride. I agree with a previous comment though. They have put their prices up way too much though.
Adrian - have you seen the pre-owned JLC selection at Subdial? Sexy as fcuk and great value 🙌🏻 Master Calendar meteorite at £9850 Master Ultra Thin Moon at £5750 Grande Reverso Ultra Thin at £4750 I’d have them over any Tudor (having owned the Harrods, GMT & 58) or IWC thanks. One of them plus my Explorer 124270 is the plan to downsize to a 2 watch collection alongside some beaters.
I know this is off topic, but can anybody tell me why the Tag superdiver does not get a mention vs Omega Deep Ocean/ Tudor Pelagos etc. I know that Tag is a hated brand online but that watch is a beast in its specs that should be at least judged against the main. As for nato straps...got two B&J ones in rotation so am happy. Keep up with the vids.
If one don't mind owning an older model, Omega Speedmaster (Peter Blake) in titanium is as close competitor to a Pelagos as it gets. I went with Omega since it has certain charm to it when compared to Pelagos. I'm not a Tudor guy but Pelagos in titanium has just something intriguing about it.
I love these question on watch size trends The question should be is it the right size for the type of watch ie larger for diver and smaller dress style and is it the right size for you
Wait now. You immediately reject Omega's stellar Planet Ocean -- even though it comes in a 39mm version, which looks/feels great on my 17cm wrist -- but then say that Omega's 45.5mm UltraDeep "wears pretty well"? No. Just no. The PO is the right choice, the real pick of the bunch.
