PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THE ADVICE HAS CHANGED IN ENGLAND OR WALES SINCE THIS WATCHDOG VIDEO, YOU NEED TO TAKE FURTHER ADVICE FROM MSE FORUMS OR PEPIPOO.COM CURRENTLY THIS ADVICE IS CORRECT FOR SCOTLAND AND NORTHERN IRELAND
Shouldn't the DVLA have to ask us, or at the very least inform us that they are selling / giving away our Private and Confidential information to third party companies that we did not consent to ?
Parking wardens working on hospital sites have allegedly been instructed to focus their time on cancer ward car parks, a whistleblower has stated. Wardens have been told to prioritise car parks used by those being treated for cancer, as patients are likely to be distracted - and consequently more likely to be late returning to their cars. Whistleblower Tony Taylor, who used to work for UK Parking Control Ltd (UKPC), says he was told to "give tickets regardless of any illness", reports the Daily Mail. Taylor, 53, claims that he was instructed by bosses that wardens should focus on cancer wards at hospitals to exploit those undergoing chemotherapy. He added that staff were offered huge bonuses to "give the sites a good banging"
I hate parking tickets as much as any man, but I also dislike liars and questionable stories! I spend a fair bit of time at several hospitals and I have not seen any car parks marked "cancer ward only" or "dialysis only" or "fracture clinic only" You get the idea? So please explain how a parking attendant (Who I agree must have been born a bastard!) would be able to know where the people in chemo etc will be parking? I call bull shit there mate!
@@rogerblackwood8815 I hate to have to say Roger that you are not right. In Stoke on Trent hospital that I have had to visit to take relatives of mine to attend appointments and treatments many many times their car park is a total nightmare and no where near enough parking for the massive number of patients attending. We have had to allow in excess of two + hours to trail round and round the many parking areas. The only way to get the patients to the hospital appointment is to drop them at the entrance whilst I fight the battle to park. It is so bad that my 80 year old mother now has to attend for chemotherapy via ambulance because of the intense stress and worry of trying to park, walking miles to find payment machines that actually work and then get robbed by extortionate fees. This means then that we are not able to be there with her. My brother has liver and kidney failure along with heart problems. He becomes so stressed he is inconsolable. So tired he cannot walk miles around the carparks. sections are made over to Cancer parking and kidney parking, and other's clearly sign posted as such but unless you are parking at 7,00am you have not a cat in hell's chance of parking in these areas. I further add that these areas are closest to the main entrance, rightly so. But you can sit and watch the attendants swarm from their starting point like a swarm of yellow ants all attacking the different sections of the car parks including the cancer and liver/kidney sections. In over two years I've never managed to park in these areas and so far to date have two parking tickets, one for overstaying the four hour slot, and one for parking on an eight foot wide off the road but not a designated area. and no I've not paid them. Yes I do believe they are born bastards.
The DVLA is paid by the BPA, the BPA is paid by private parking companies (PPCs). The private parking companies are paid by those who do not know their rights, who do not now how unlikely it is to be taken to court by a PPC, who do not know how easy it is to win in court against a PPC, and who overestimate the consequences of losing in court to a PPC. If anything is to change, individuals need to get clued up and simply ignore them. NB: 'Appealing' to the PPC/BPA is like asking them if they are sure that they like money. I'd like to know if the 2 PPCs which were taken off the BPA's membership lists were so because of a breach of their "ethical code", or because Parking Eye (their biggest client) asked for it so that they could have a monopoly. The entire thing is truly a dog's breakfast.
I agree it is a dogs breakfast - but PE are taking alot of case to court - I lost in court because of my own errors and decided enuff was enuff and did not appeal - judge did not give them costs so it was a moral victory as it MUST have cost them what I got fined to pursue me in court
Bill Stevenson I agree, the advice in England and Wales has changed, ignore can work, but then you take the risk that they could take you to court. So appeal to the parking company, if rejected appeal to popla and win with help from the guys over on MSE or Pepipoo
taffy056 I regret to say that you're all right about this - ignore no longer best advice. Better to start by contacting the retailers visited as early as possible (store managers more helpful than head offices, in my opinion) - then if no joy use MSE advice and get a Popla code.... Still, ignore can be better than simply paying up front - we ignored and are settling for less than the amount on the first invoice - after they've incurred more admin expenses & a court claim fee. Good luck to all & keep at it!
Bill Stevenson Also, might be worth pressurising the DVLA to not give out these details... Either corporately through a change in some kind of statute or public pressure or by individually opting out.... Not sure how it would look but just brainstorming at this stage.
I got a Parking Charge Notice last November and have received numerous threatening letters, both from the company and then a Roxbourghe Debt Collectors...they have now began to phone me- where on earth have they got my mobile number from? Surely that's illegal? And it's harrassment? Bunch of scum do anything for your money!
not true any more - check up on the latest advice on MSE, I have a court hearing in a few weeks I will be defending. This means ignoring is no longer the best advice (For some Parking companies), but there are very effective ways of appealing that are nearly 100% effective AND cost the Parking Company money at the same time!
Nice interview with Patrick Troy - he forgot to mention that he also likes to take videos up ladies skirts on the Underground and pled guilty to such a charge a few months ago!!!
I took my wife and daughter to the Range in saint helens merseyside, it was just before xmas so it was a busy time , we spent nearly £200 in the Range and when we came out my daughter wanted to go mcdonalds, well i drove to mcdonalds and we had something to eat, anyway a week later i received a p.c.n. with a photo of my car displaying 12 minutes over my time, i was over my time because mcdonalds is on the same land even though i drove my car and moved it from the Range to mcdonalds, i have now got a notice of intended court action or pay £160. I did argue my case and emailed my proof of receipt but they are not interested.I am not paying this charge, i have done nothing wrong, i have admitted i was the driver, i have nothing to hide, i have not broken the law. The DVLA should not give personal information out unless you have broken the law. I took my family out shopping and did not expect to get charged and threatened for shopping at the shops on the car park. f king fed up of paying pcn notices. once i picked up my son at Liverpool airport, 20 seconds i stopped £60 fine, i payed. Sports direct in st helens merseyside, I was sorting my brothers funeral out with my niece my dead brothers daughter and was a little bit over my time. £60, i paid. If there is a parking ticket machine like they have at hospitals, then i can pay for the time i have spent there, otherwise how can you park without getting a notice ?
Robert Ratcliffe , I understand your annoyance but when entering a car park it is imperative to locate a notice board that shows the conditions that apply . I do agree with you that the car park owners should show some common sense and allow leeway . As for the Range car park this is despicable treatment and terribly wrong .
I had a similar thing. I went to the cinema, and then to McDonalds afterwards, and yes, we moved the car between the two. I however have NOT wasted my time trying to communicate with them. If I get anything in the post, I will simply put it back in the post ( without a stamp - fuck them ) and I will keep on doing this. I moved into this house 2 years ago, and the previous bastard left it with teh balifs after him. I have had non stop shit and hassle off these wankers due to the other turd, and I have over these 2 years learned a great deal about how these filth work. For example with one company LCS, who deal with British Gas, they tried names like HOME OWNER, Occupier, and my own name, and then that gave me 3 account numbers where they tried to get me on, even though, I was with Scottish Power in my old house and I moved to Scottish power the day I moved into this one, I was indeed with British Gas for about 4 days, and those 4 days, we hardly used any power, just the kettle now and then cos we were moving stuff in, plus we had to get some repairs done etc, but British Gas Agreed that we only had to pay from feb 17 to feb 21 and we paid that wihtout hesitation, but these LCS turds kept hounding me... I sent both LCS and British Gas proof that I only had to pay that 4 days, and British Gas was happy, but LCS now have accounts for 4 different people, who are all me, and they have accepted that the first one is paid, but they are too stupid to realise that the other 3 are for the same address and the same price ( It was only £11.87 ) and now they have 3 that are into the £800 mark... Im done with them and I am ready to take them to court for harrassment, and the weird thing is, that British Gas have informed then of their error ( They say ). This is only one company, and this is my own issue, but I have 14 other companies that are looking for the previous owner, including the fact that I have 7 speeding tickets for the guy, in Oxford... I live about 300 miles from there! I did used to return to sender, but we were getting them almost every day for several months and so I gave up and now I just take handfuls back to the powst office and dump them there... They used to whine and moan but they clearly see im done with it all. I now have a sign on the door, warning that if anyone tried to deliver anything for Mike Pemberton Electrician ( Oops, I should not have used his name , fuck fuck the cunt, he has cost us hundreds ) then I will fucking set my dog onto them. I dont have a dog, but bollocks, the warning is there!
Very, very interested to see any private parking company try to establish in court that a contract has been formed between the registered keeper and their company. Not happening. Fine isn't worth the piece of paper it's written on.
Yes it did do this on my case and PE has been persuing people for breach of contract - it is verging on robbery how they are using the law to pursue their commercial interests
Thanks for filling me in.Now i'm fully aware.I may just do it for fun now to wind up them up.I'll certainly be passing this info around.My colleague got a ticket from the parking company working for the firm over the road (solicitors,of all people). His wife had parked the car there and i told him that he needn't have paid it.The company in charge of parking management also sent a letter to our office warning us of parking cars "illegally". I said they could not use that term
BPA code Jan 2018 states: 14 Misrepresentation of authority 14.1 You must give clear information to the public about what parking activities are allowed and what is unauthorised. You must not misrepresent to the public that your parking control and enforcement work is carried out under the statutory powers of the police or any other public authority. You will be breaching the Code if you suggest to the public that you are providing parking enforcement under statutory authority. 14.2 You must not use terms which imply that parking is being managed, controlled and enforced under statutory authority. This includes using terms such as ‘fine’, ‘penalty’ or ‘penalty charge notice’.
The following is what someone decided to do after a PCN was issued: Please note what is said about Penalty, Charge, Notice, Fine and Person - it makes for interesting reading. Hi After trying the no contract way and having no joy i decided to look into the pcn as they say that it is de criminalised but the name still is the same PCN so here is what i found. by the way they don't except the Bill of Rights and refer you to case:- before Mr Justice Collins THE QUEEN ON THE APPLICATION OF ROGER DE CRITTENDEN (CLAIMANT V NATIONAL PARKING ADJUDICATION SERVICE (DEFENDANT) Where the defendant loses the case at the Queen Bench division at the High court i have sent this after receiving some PCNs and have not had a reply in two months London Borough of Barnet There are some important matters I wish to bring to your attention and these are as follows: I am in receipt of your letter dated…. In which I have noted its contents it seems you are somewhat misconceived concerning the English Bill of Rights let me be kind and explain in very simple terms: It is my Understanding there is a so-called “Penalty Charge Notice” when one looks at the Osborn’s Concise Law Dictionary, which is used by the Law Society, and the Inns of Court I draw to your attention to: The word PENALTY it defines it as:- “A punishment, particularly a FINE or money payment (a) By an obligor breach of the condition in a bond (b) on breach of a term in a contract” The word FINE is defined as: - “A sum of money ordered to be paid by the Crown on conviction for an offence”. The word CHARGE is defined as: - “In criminal law a charge is an accusation” this shows that it relates to Criminal Law. The word NOTICE is defined as: - “A written notice issued to a PERSON charged with any of certain specified driving offences stating that a prosecution will be undertaken.” The word PERSON is defined as: - “Persons are of two kind, natural and artificial” Now let’s get on with our constitutional document. The Bill of Rights is an Act of the Parliament of England passed on 16 December 1689. It was a restatement in statutory form of the Declaration of Right presented by the Convention Parliament to William and Mary in March 1689 (or 1688 by Old Style dating), inviting them to become joint sovereigns of England. It lays down limits on the powers of the crown and sets out the rights of Parliament and rules for freedom of speech in Parliament, the requirement for regular elections to Parliament and the right to petition the monarch without fear of retribution. It re-established the liberty of Protestants to have arms for their defence within the rule of law, and condemned James II of England for "causing several good subjects being Protestants to be disarmed at the same time when papists were both armed and employed contrary to law". Also let us have a look at Statues and Statutory Law; Canons Law states: Canon 3103 A valid Statute only applies to the Juridic Person under whose laws it is promulgated. Also Cannons law definition of a person is Definition: Person is a key rule of Law describing a fundamental legal fiction --that is any individual or formal organization subject to the Curia (courts) or lesser courts. Providing consent is given without duress, legally an individual, a corporation and even a nation may be considered a PERSON and therefore subject to the principles of common law and commercial (maritime) law of the Vatican/Roman Cult. Legally, the name assigned to a Person must always be in CAPITALS to distinguish a "person" from a free man or free society. I will further add that the public roads belong to the public, who pay the public servants YOU the council (the trustee) to maintain them. Therefore the public own the roads and cannot be charged to use its own property as we are the benefactor’s. I am sure that you will understand our rights now. Kind Regards
The thing is the DVLA can only supply the details of the Registered Keeper who is not always the driver of the vehicle at the time the vehicle was in the car parked. So just tell them you weren’t the driver at the time and you can’t remember who was
My wife was caught a few years ago. I investigated the DVLA process and it transpired that they were overwhelmed by the quantity of information that was being requested, their solution was to give access to their databases directly by the parking companies. Once they have completed a rigorous registration process the operators are allowed to query your information directly.
Write to the DVLA thus: "I forbid the DVLA to give my private and personal information to any private parking company or association without my prior and express written consent. That consent will not be given and is hereby and from this date expressly denied. Any communication of my private data to any organisation is absolutely denied unless such information is required by statute or as a result of a court order. Any breach of this clear request will therefore be a criminal breach of the Data Protection Act". Also, do NOT consent to be part of an "appeal" process without seeing the advice on the link at the foot of this post. Ultimately the only body that can judge these cases is a court of law...usually the county court. Invariably these parking scammers give up before it gets to court if you follow the advice from the link or get help from the many websites that give advice or get you off the "fine" (it's not a fine but a fee under an implied contract). Go here for excellent advice about how to get these scumbags off your back: forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4816822
Hi, i've just got a parking eye ticket for £100 for parking in ilford retail park. I parked for more than the 2 hour free limit, i parked for 2hr 43m, didn't occur to me. what should i do? just got a ticket for £100 with a discounted charge for £60. They have the photo of my number plate entering and leaving at certain times. Please any advice.
Please sign my e-petition entitled Stop DVLA selling our private information. Civil Enforcement Ltd are charging extortionate amounts and this process must be stopped!
I have been given 2 Both at the same site and both accounts due to people who work there telling me to actually park there to avoid parking tickets. One ticket actually shows me going through the security gate and are claiming that I was parked there! Either it is negligence or entrapment.
Right, I got another ticket, now they say they will charge £1.50 on top if you use a credit or debit card or you can phone up a premium number, so not only are they ripping you off they are adding insult to injury,
i also had a rejected informal appeal from the PPC concerned when it was obvious their photo evidence was not adequate to press the charge. They forced me to go to POPLA appeal and i won. I have now invoiced them for my time, expenses and stress involved in defending my case, amounting to £1475. If they fail to pay I will win in the small claims court
5. Any contract to park could only be formed between the landowner and the motorist 6. Any parking charges collected by VCS would therefore be, in effective, damages in breach of contract or trespass but because they were retained by VCS they constituted a standard-rated consideration and VAT was therefore payable against them.
What happened in your case? I just received one through the post today. I parked on a retail park last week and stayed over the 2 hours,knowingly,but we did our shopping and dining there.They have my address and photos of the car which are dated/timed.The fine is £70,£50 if paid in 14 days; if i don't reply in 28 days then they say they will add a £40 admin fee.It's worrying but my friends tell me not to pay it
send a recorded delivery letter to the DVLA informing them that they have no right to disclose your private details and will take legal action against them
I, a man by the name of xxxxxxxxx, do not understand your intentions towards me. I appear to have received an offer to contract from you and have enclosed your offer in the envelope along with this Notice as I am returning it to its rightful owner. I do not wish to accept any contracts with you sir or madam and I am in no way obligated to do so. I would also like to point out that you have put this offer on my property and have failed to understand the Notice that specifically states anything attached to the property without prior written consent will incur a removal fee of £5000 payable on demand. I can only imagine you have chosen to ignore this notice because you have some kind of authority over me by law or through previous written consent from me as you placed your offer right next to my notice.
lol this is flawed on the basis that the car is not your property..... have you read your log book? not proof of ownership. you simply lease your vehicle's identity off the state in legal terms. or should I say in ''corruption is rife'' terms. p.s don't look into your birth certificate cos I've got bad news..... your collateral on a loan and can be held accountable for such. the only free people on this earth were the Indians and aborigines.....
Look at the data protection act 2018 you can request your data not be processed ie not passed on , BUT YOU HAVE TO REQUEST IT AS THE DVLA WILL NOT DO IT AUTOMATICALLY ! under the freedom of information act request all details the DVLA hold on you and your property and your address, correct or redact information as you decide then request under the data protection act that the DVLA do not pass on details to any other third party and opt out fo automatic decisions that they make, that way they will have to involve you in plans they have in future for your info ,also instruct DVLA that you charge for your time in dealing with correspondence ( admin charge let’s say £500) to receive letters e mails or doorstep visitors in relation to dealing with your data being processed that way if you do get a “notice” you can charge the sender and the supplier 👍
3. That on the basis of their standard agreement with landowners there could have been no contract formed between VCS and the motorist because its limited rights to access to the land did not extend to being able to offer the right to park. 4. The signs used by VCS cannot have effect because they have no right in law to make any offer to park in the first instance.
Parking Eye are hilarious. I wrote back to them informing them of No Contract and told them if they write to me again it'll be £500 billed to them. Never heard from them again, this all happened 9 months ago.
Anne handed that BPA guy his arse on a plate after chewing it up and spitting it out.IMO he came across as weaselly & corrupt in that piece. "What we've got there is the code being ignored, Loopholes exploited"
Nearly 2 years after this, I've made a complaint to the BPA listing several breaches of their conditions by UKPC, BPA replied trying to tell me UKPC hasn't breached their rules. Needless to say I will not be paying the parking charge which was issued whilst parked in MY bay, because my permit was on the passenger seat and not in the window, even though at no point does UKPC say the permit should be in the window, they just say it should be clearly displayed, which it was.
Got a letter saying this is your final warning you can either pay the original fine £160 or if you pay it within 14 days we will reduce it to £160, if you don’t pay within 14?days the fine will go up to £160 MUPPETS!!! You will get lots of threatening letters, eg your credit ratings will suffer if you don’t pay, there will be court cost etc etc , file the letters away and ignore them, I’ve had 10 so far and everyone says this is your final warning, there just trying to scare you into paying!!!
I parked at a euro car park and bought a ticket, the buttons on the machine are smal I accidentally punched in one wrong letter , I admit didn’t notice at the time. Three weeks I received a fine of £60 , I immediately appealed with a photo of my parking ticket that clearly shows the time date etc regardless they responded by email saying my appeal failed and charged me another £20 on top . Corrupt bstds!
@lewis72 - yes but if you write back to them they have your name and address, and save going to the DVLA and paying £2.50 to find that out ;) then send them an email to save postage with the take me to court if you wish lol
Its highly unlikely that thtey will take anyone to court , this is what happened to them when they appeared in the upper tax tribunal court with the inland revenue, in the judge's summing up he said
I'm just ignoring every letter I get through the post, I've now got "Graham White Solicitors" writing to me via Michael Sobell- I looked him up he was registered as a solicitor in 1962....making him about 70 years old now. He is the only one registered with them so I'm just ignoring ignoring ignoring any correspondence with them until hopefully they get bored!
PE have started using the County Court to enforce their claims and sadly some of these claims have been successful. NEVER ignore correspondence from the Court!! I received a PE fine and a high volume of threating letters even though I was not in that car park or county on the date and time in question? They are still threatening me with CC action despite appealing.
lol, why am i seeing buffering when i have a 50mb down conneciton. honestly though, did you really have to screengrab it while it was playing? couldn't you download it?
I got a PPC for being 3 mins iver on a busy Christmas shopping period and looked at all the s**t on their website about how they'll come after me. I called them up and they said the same thing however I told a friend who filled me in, I sent monopoly money with a simple message, "SO SUE ME!". I ain't heard anything back, all the hassle, result!
Well after looking at the advice column,i chose to pay.The reason i did that was because it was a retail park and would certainly have CCTV showing me getting out of the car.If I wanted to contest the case they may have used the footage against me.Plus It was 180 miles away from where i live;should i go to court that way,even if i won the cost of petrol would be most of the cost of the fine.Ironically,if the wife been drivin my car,i could have just ignored the demand as I wouldn't be the driver
1. VCS did not have any right to occupy land or to pursue any action in trespass (which is what VCS had claimed they were doing). 2. Such payments they received by way of "Parking Charge Notices" were not therefore a payment by way of damages and were not therefore exempt from VAT.
If you have broken the law then yes i agree the DVLA should give your information out, they should not give your personal information to people trying to make money from you because they are bribed with money. Parking charges " really". If you could, you would use someone else. fking joke.
If you get a ticket, ignore it (unless its ParkingEye). These 'fines' are just invoices. Most will just send a handful of threatening letters. Ignore them, don't acknowledge them in any way and they'll give up. Only ParkingEye take people to court, because they're large enough to take the loss of court - the rest can't afford court.
Why have these scam parking companies been allowed to operate in an ever increasing number of supermarket and retail outlet carparks? Hopefully the retailers will wake up will kick these cowboy companies out when they realise that their customers are no longer using their shops as they don't like to be scammed.
Advice from watchdog? cheers,but i'm deaf so i can't hear it.49 cases went before a judge, but with the distance involved i would be just lucky to be case 50.Had it been local i would have ignored it."one born every minute" . - I would appreciate a little less contempt,we've all made mistakes in our lives i'm sure.However your info is useful so thanks for that.
please view my other videos on this. And please listen to what is being said in these videos. Private parking companies have no legal right to issue fines and penalties, you have not been fined, you have an unenforceable invoice that can be completely ignored. If you want further advice please come and pay the MSE parking forum a visit for peace of mind.
Well, PPCs are unenforceable anyway, so who gives a stuff about appeals processes? I have one and I'm wondering if I should just ignore it or write back and say "Can we take this this to court please?" They can't prove who the driver was.
It’s only the council that can issue fixed penalty notices not private companies. These are just invoices. You can’t be prosecuted for it and have your credit ratings effected. I’d fully ignore them.
Sam Hughes , if I take your advice and ignore invoices from parking companies can you guarantee that this a totally safe option and that no further action will be taken against me ? If you can guarantee this then may I presume that if the matter goes legal that you will fully reimburse me for all costs incurred ?
Kenneth Hume I am not a qualified so I can’t be 100% sure, I have seen a lawyer on watchdog demonstrate this. Only the council, police and dvla have the capability to carry out court actions companies and corporates work on empty threats, that they fool people into believing they’ll get into deeper trouble but never do. Same like with TVL and Capita scum. If you watch this video you’ll fine out from Anne Robinson and an interview with a solicitor in that area. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TUYzBcFLWMA.html
Not paying a private parking charge can result, in certain circumstances, in getting a CCJ. Good luck getting a mortgage with one of those on your credit record.
Steven Hodgson Not True, first they’d have to prove you are the owner of the car which they most can’t and secondly they don’t have the power to prosecute you they’ll give you the false impression . Large corporations even like TVL work purely on threats to get you to comply.
@@Sam-Public-UK I'm afraid it is true. Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012: Recovery of Unpaid Parking Charges allows private parking companies to persue the registered keeper of a vehicle for a charge if the RK does not provide the driver's details. If the RK does provide the driver's details, the PPC will persue the driver. If the driver or RK does not pay the parking charge, and the PPC takes them to court and wins, the *court* (not the PPC) may, and often do, issue a CCJ. These are the circumstances I referred to earlier. And you definitely don't want a CCJ on your credit record.
You shopped there, you have receipts so there is no loss to VCS at all, they don't even have the legal right to offer parking or chase you through the courts to begin with, google vcs v hmrc for guidance. Or visit moneysavingexpert forums for more in depth advice
misspanjab First off.. never ever contact them. If you do they'll want you to enter into a contract with them. Secondly they need your consent, the UK is a Common Law jurisdiction with means every company needs our consent. If you don't consent they've no business with you. They'll send threat letters etc. Ignore them all. They send them in the hopes you'll contact with them. No contract, no consent.. no contact. Simple as that.
im tempted 2 ask DVLA y they sold my details / they keep sending baliffs 4 an £80 fine because i didnt tell them i had scrapt a car which i had told them already got rid of 2 of these baliffs DVLA have given up now fuck em
