Logan Lerman should have been nominated for many awards for this performance..he was totally snubbed...his performance was so subtle and subdued and i could feel all his inner emotions and turmoil just by his demeanor without saying any word
@@valiantshadowproductions he is a known actor he just chooses his roles wisely. He doesn’t do super big movie but almost all roles he’s in he delivers amazing performances. He was recently in bullet train which is another good movie
The truth about Aunt Helen is even more messed up in the book, cause he frequently calls her his favorite aunt, has you 100% convinced that she was one of his personal champions, and her death was just another thing he blamed himself for. And then we find out the truth. He wasn't just keeping it from everyone else. He was keeping it from himself.
i feel like it's foreshadowed as early as the first letter -- he says he was "going with" aunt helen, right when he talks about two people "going with" each other as in "dating." it's something that he knows and understands but can't see the wrongness of, and it creates a sense of tension in the reader while u just WAIT for him to finally tell u everything.
The author of the book has made slight references to the story being slightly autobiographical...and wrote an update letter in the 20th anniversary version. Where he says things are good now, finally. and he still in contact with Patrick and Sam but they never got married or anything. It's honestly a very sweet little update to the story.
When it comes to this movie I found it to be ahead of its time and for my abnormal psych class in college last semester I wrote a paper about some of Charlie's mental health conditions but focused mainly on ONE. One thing people do not realize is that the trauma Charlie experienced from his childhood by his aunt Helen who was mol3sting him is that from this occured his series of blackouts as you see throughout the movie. Charlie suffers gravely from not just depression but also PTSD which is why in some parts of the movie he would wake up from a blackout and be confused as to what happened prior. Based on the criteria of the DSM5 for PTSD, for one to be diagnosed with it they must display stressors, intrusion symptoms, avoidance, negative alterations in cognitions and mood, alterations in arousal and reactivity, duration, functional significance, and exclusion which is based on non-medical, drug, or alcohol related symptoms. The stressor Charlie experienced was the direct exposure of being seGGsually abused by his aunt Helen. The intrusion symptoms are based on flashbacks and traumatic reminders that stem from both emotional distress and physical reactivity. For example when Charlie's sister was hit by her BF it caused him to have a flashback to a vulnerable moment with his aunt. His initial reaction after seeing Candace hit was to fight her boyfriend but she stopped him. As for physical reactivity, towards the end of the movie when Charlie and Sam kissed, he had another flashback. They got very heavy in the moment and Charlie had to take a few steps back because of how fast the flashbacks came. This was a reaction to being touched by Sam the same way his aunt touched him as a child. I could go on about how much I had to analyze this movie as a Psych major but just know this movie can have one endless conversation and there is so much more stuff from that. I do wanna say though I do appreciate the story in itself portraying a MALE victim in this type of situation cus it shows how men can also be victims and experience such an unfortunate event from the early onset molestation and the VARIOUS mental health struggles! What made it worse tho was that Charlie never told anyone about his AUNT HELEN so he really was a ticking time bomb if you think about it but thankfully he met Sam and Patrick and they really did SAVE him which this movie also shows the importance of how there are people who those of us grasp onto for not just social reasons but for a reason to LIVE as well.
I would like to say, I don't think Charlie chose to not tell anyone what happened with his aunt. I think he buried those thoughts so far until they started getting triggered to come out by new circumstances he was in. I know that happened for me. I didn't remember what happened for me for the longest time until someone I knew got SAed and I had all the memories start flooding back.
@@Rin-jy9gg if I remember the book correctly (it’s been years since I’ve read it), that exactly how it happened. His mind blocked out the abuse, so he only remembered the good things about Helen and the fact that she would get him presents and the special attention she would pay him when he otherwise felt invisible. His memories of the abuse resurfacing in the midst of his depressive spiral it what caused him to break. I don’t remember if the scene where he calls his sister happened in the book, but strictly speaking about the movie, I appreciate that she was immediately able to know that something was off and was a quick on her feet to immediately send help. 😢
(MAJOR SPOILER) I could feel the cringe the middle guy felt when the outside two said he has happy memories now and it was memories of Charlie being molested ☠
Love this book and movie. I saw it in theaters when it came out. I love that the author of the book was so involved with the movie because it really is a great adaption. 💕 Lol I almost forgot about the Rocky Horror scenes. I used to go to the showings in high school and college.
This is such a great movie I also remember watching this when I was a teen probably around the same age as you rob I remember this film being massive on tumbler when it was a big thing back then truly a modern classic one of my favourites too rob I knew you had taste and was my favourite in the group for a reason lol sorry Bryce and zuff
Logan and Emma's performances are some of the most charming and sweet performances I've ever seen in a movie. Also the character of teacher Anderson is great.
i adore this movie. I watched it for the first time when i was 15 or 16 and connected to it immedietly and it helped me feel understood. It also lead to me eventually realizing i had my own trauma. Traumatic memories are stored in the brain differently than normal memories. Imagine a short film with 10 scenes as a representation of a memory: a normal memory would have scenes 1-10 in the proper order but a traumatic memory has the 10 scenes out of order (for example: 8, 4, 7, 1, 6, 5, 10, 9, 2, 3). With Trauma Therapy, your therapist helps you to put these "scenes" back in order, process them, and move forward from them. It's also very very very common to feel attached to your abuser. For many people, abuse is one on one. Meaning that its often you and the abuser, often alone, tho this is obviously not always the case. But because its one on one, its very easy for the abused to manipulate you with rewards. "Come sit on my lap, we can play a computer game". As a child it's natural to trust the adult. Why wouldnt you sit on their lap to play a fun game together? You sit on your parents lap, extended family or family friends laps. Adults are supposed to take care of you. "Dont tell your friends we played computer games or we'll have to do school work next time instead." As a child, you can rationalize anything. Maybe the best example of children doing this is Santa Clause. How does he get around? Why does he give us toys? How does he know where we live? Why are there dozens of them on the streets and in malls? Kids often find their own answers for these things or easily accept the ones their given without much thought because its given to them by an adult. SO when a child it told "not to tell-" its easy to find an answer. In my case, i figured we were supposed to be doing school work but instead i was allowed to play a fun game. So *obviously* i shouldnt tell anyone, because if i did, we'd get in trouble and have to study next time. Does that make sense? Anyways, the truly traumatic part is often blocked. Our brain goes into autopilot and files that trauma away because we cant handle it. Traumatic memories are as much physically affecting as they are mental and emotional. We carry the stress in our body and it makes our muscles ache and our body reacts instinctually to protect ourselves form anything that could cause us harm. We have lapses in memory, anxiety, shortness of breath, dizzy spells, dissociation, flashbacks, loss of focus, nightmares etc etc It manifests in many different ways. In Charlies case, he was experiencing flashbacks and when those got worse, he would begin to dissociate (which is a different experience for everyone but can be experienced as blacking out). This, naturally, leads to confusion and anxiety and even depression.
As someone who is an SA survivor. The scene where Emma Watson kisses Charlie, is so special. It’s horrible when that first experience gets taken from you and it’ll always be reminder when anyone talks about first kisses. Sam didnt know about about Charlie’s abuse at the time. But it really showed that she loved him as a person and didn’t want the same to happen to him, it makes me bawl every time I watch it
i love this movie and book so much. it was executed so beautifully in the film and the cast was absolutely perfect. the way they demonstrate mental illness, sexual abuse, etc. really gets the point across without being super graphic and really hits you in the feels and gives you an understanding of the place charlie was in at the time. if anyone hasnt read the book you really should because its just as good if not better than the film.
I'm in my 30s, and the first time I remember hearing Heroes was after I discovered Johnny Depp is in a band called Hollywood Vampires during the Amber Heard courthouse drama. I heard their cover and loved the song only to discover it was originally from David Bowie. I know Bowie from Labyrinth and Space Oddity. I listened to Black Star after he passed and absolutely loved the whole album. I was in high-school in the early 2000's. This move takes place in the 90's. I can absolutely attest that, unless you remembered the lyrics, there really wasn't a way to rediscover a song you once heard. Even if you remembered a few lyrics, someone would have to know the song and those lyrics to help you out. The internet was something new and a Yahoo or Altavista search probably would yield the song title. Nowadays, the entirety of human knowledge is at our fingertips with our phones. In the 90's, that tech was only just beginning. In another 30 years, I wonder what kids will think of our lives today.
This is one of my favorite movies WITHOUT finishing it. No I’ve never gotten the chance to finish it! I always watched halfway through and became distracted or busy! The vibes scream 2000’s definitely.
omg i can't believe I just found this ...I've been following you guys for a while now and even became a Patreon, this is one of my favourite movies .....look forward to seeing your reaction
If only Ezra had learned something from the characters in this movie. If Ezra had gotten professional help to deal with all the bad thoughts and negative emotions they probably wouldn't in the situation they are now. Could have been the next Matt Damon (good will hunting)
this is my favourite movie....i can relate with the movie..logan lerman performance is great...after this movie i became fan of emma watson she looks so beautiful in this movie
I dunno if you guys are just keeping it super quiet for copyright reasons or what but I swear whenever ya'll laugh I go deaf because its so quiet at any other time.
Sup guys love the movie reactions can you please react to The Crow (1994) starring Brandon Lee son of Bruce Lee. This was the last film Brandon Lee got to film because he died on the set of this movie he got shot in the back with a blank bullet but some pieces of other blanks were still in the chamber/barrel of gun the prop members done a shitty job not double checking/cleaning the prop guns. It was an accident gone wrong Brandon Lee was only 28 years old. Their are other squeals to this movie but don’t watch them. Before Brandon Lee tragically passed he was supposed to sign a deal to make two more Crow movies after he finished the first movie and got married to Fiancé Eliza Hutton but never happed. One other thing when you guys show the reaction can boost the audio.
Sometimes its REALLY hard to hear the movie- I have to turn my volume up to 40 to hear any of it- while you guys were too loud. Has happened on several movies.
I know Ezra is the worst as a person but taking a moment to separate art from the artist - I love their performance as Patrick and I love the character.
Such a shame Ezra’s been on a fucking GTA playthrough this year. Even tho their performance in this movie is outstanding it’s a lil hard to watch knowin everythin we know now.
What many ppl doesn't know that Ezra have been struggling through traumatic events from their past and around before his first breakdown. They haven't publicly release the full details of the events because of confidentiality. Throughout Ezra's life their family never supported them even during these current events that's happening, none of Ezra's family have reach out to them yet. he's been on the battle alone with no support, it's sad as hell
@@kiddlorenz7582 no offense and this comment is so old but it annoyed the piss out of me so i had to say sth i lived through the worst hell imaginable for 18 years and yet you don't see me, or a lot of other traumatized people for that matter, beating the shit out of people in public and being weird towards kids
I absolutely loved this movie from start to finish. I remember reading the book and being really sad. Especially during the kiss scene between Patrick and Charlie(in the book, Patrick kisses him multiple times). The book goes into detail that Charlie doesn't really know how to respond. And he just lets his friend keep kissing him because he sees it as being a good friend.
Never made the connection until this comment that his thinking that allowing himself to be kissed = helping a friend definitely ties back to his trauma.
One of his reasons for his Aunt being his favorite person is because Charlie's Birthday was close to Christmas and his Aunt was the only one who cared enough to get him presents for his Birthday and Christmas. Everyone else only gave Charlie gifts for Christmas, it explains it more in the book
As a 25 year old who’s born on Dec 22nd & have gotten combined presents my entire life from my shit relatives & father (but never from my mom & brother who actually cared enough to give me separate), I can vouch for that it sucks
Lmao I remember having to pause the movie to recover the first time I watched the truth or dare scene where Charlie kisses Sam instead of Mary Elizabeth💀😭
Yeah kind of saw that coming. Lol, Charlie doesn't have a lot of experience with girls, so I don't think he knew that he was supposed to kiss the girl he is "dating" regardless of how he actually feels. Seriously is Mary Elizabeth sooo self-involved that she can't even see that Charlie has no interest in her? That whole relationship was just painful to watch.
@@irenemichelleanne that relationship is the one thing I disliked about the movie compared to the book. In the book the relationship isn’t as one sided. Charlie does care about Mary but he also sees why she acts so self involved. When they break up and apologizes she says she knows that he’s serious but still doesn’t forgive him. In the movie she just acts like an ass after the breakup.
@@pineappledragon2113 she was a butthead before the breakup too though in the movie. Manipulative and selfish. no one ever asked charlie what he wanted and they knew he wouldnt say anything
I felt bad for Rob. Having known the series ahead of time, you could see it in his face when we were reaching the point of the movie falling off the cliff and he had to hold it in quietly. I hope you all found something positive to do after to take care of your mental health.
Aa an adult man, who's experiences with past trauma like Charlie's, and a lifetime of suppressed memories, and a stint in rehab because of the substance abuse issues stemming from that, Patrick's joke near the end about Charlie having a breakdown scheduled for October was hilarious. My best friend of many decades would make exactly that kind of joke. And I would love it. 🤣
This movie hit me so hard, my college days were very similar to Charlie’s high school days and I had friends that noticed me and pulled me out of such a dark place. Charlie’s breakdown at the end always gets me, but I did love seeing how his brother spoke to him and checked up on him and his sister just knew what was happening when he called her at the end.
Such an underrated movie and the book is one of my favorites. Also nice seeing ezra miller kill his role before he turned bat shit crazy. Logan Lerman is phenomenal in the war movie Fury. Also Ezra Miller is insane in the movie We Need To Talk About Kevin.
Fellow Pittsburgh person here. This was set in the early 90s, and as someone about the same age as the Charlie character, the nostalgia level is through the roof on this one. We had a new department head at Point Park in the late 90s who shared this movie's obsession with the view coming out of the Fort Pitt Tunnel. It was Kings, Eat 'n Park, or Denny's for every high schooler. The theater where they do the Rocky Horror nights is in Dormont and both they and the legendary Oakland coffee shop/movie theater The Beehive held those events back in the day. But the most shocking and specific Pittsburgh reference to me was about the Fruit Loop in Schenley Park which was (and may still be, I really don't know) the most notorious gay cruising spot in town. But in general, so many of the characters and issues that they are dealing with seem pulled right out of the lives of people I knew then that it is almost trippy. Beautiful ode to a coming of age in that specific time and place. I always want to call out the lighting in particular as being EXACTLY what the 90s looked like. Great reaction guys!
Ever since I watched this movie, I found it hard to re-watch... I remember feeling pretty upset, but not knowing why... now I know that it was bc I was seeing myself in Charlie. I wasn't ready to face that yet... even now facing my experience is still pretty difficult. Watching it now again with you brought me to tears, but I seriously appreciate the respect and attention you payed to this. I fell in love with your channel and that's why I gave this movie another chance. Thank you for that
love this reaction. I suffer from borderline personality disorder, too, and this movie has one of the most realistic depictions of BPD. if you watch it again, or better yet, read the book, you'll see it wasn't out of nowhere. his reactions are highly emotionally dysregulated and triggered. every time he confronted violence of any kind he reacted as if he also was being acutely affected. that's one of the fundamentals of BPD: imbibing and internalizing other people's trauma. losing memory is a symptom of PTSD and it's a hallmark of BPD to have memory gaps and vivid flashbacks. especially in situations that lack safety and security and/or in situations of acute violence. it's almost scary to experience life cz you never know what will affect you adversely and categorically. i have to watch what I listen to, read or watch with such discipline. the alternative is giving myself PTSD without even experiencing the trauma irl... by just imagining it.
