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Water/alcohol air-still distiller teardown 

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These devices are intended for purifying water by boiling it and then recondensing the steam back into liquid. That removes any solid matter like minerals and salts, giving very pure water for technical uses and for drinking.
They're also used for distilling ethanol from sugar washes to make high percentage alcohol for cleaning, fuel, sanitising or drinking in countries where home distillation is allowed. But the primary purpose of distilling water means that these units are less optimal for alcohol use without doing multiple passes. There are dedicated units for that purpose that use much lower power to heat the liquid slower.
The wiring in the base is very simple. Live and neutral are both connected to the heating element via thermal cutouts. One is self resetting and one needs to be reset manually with an external button. The reason for the two thermal cutouts is partly built-in safety-redundancy, and also to protect against an element failure where current could flow to the grounded casing and bypass a thermal cutout. The earth/ground wires are connected directly to the case. The output socket for the fan is connected in parallel with the heating element, as is a simple LED indicator with sleeved resistors.
In use, the base is filled with the water to be purified, the lid placed on and plugged into its socket, and the start button pressed. (resetting the latching thermal cutout).
The water is all boiled into steam, which escapes via the spiral air-cooled tube in the lid, recondensing into water again as it passes through it.
Once the bulk of the water has boiled into steam the temperature of the base rises high enough to trip the latching thermal cutout and turns the unit off.
This particular unit actually pulls air in across the fins before blowing it out the top. Other seem to do it in the opposite direction.
The condensing pipe does not appear to have a vent hole in it as some others do. This means there is less loss of distillate but may result in the distilled liquid coming out in pulses.
Distilled water can be used for topping up lead acid batteries, rinsing surfaces without leaving mineral deposits, in steam generators to avoid scale build-up, in smoke fluid to avoid blocking the thin heater tube with minerals, in chemical dilution to avoid adding impurities and many other applications.
The unit can be used to desalinate and sterilise sea water for safer drinking. This technique is used on ships for drinking water.
Although the unit is not optimised for water/alcohol separation, the resultant distillate can be redistilled to increase its concentration to levels where it can function as a solvent and sanitiser. Given the shortage of suitable sanitising agents when the last pandemic struck, that could be useful as an emergency option.
While testing this unit with a batch of water I had a weird issue where the metal plate in the lid that possibly prevents droplets of water going into the inner section of the condenser tube was actually against the end of the tube, resulting in enough pressure to pop the lid off the unit. Slightly bending that plate away from the end of the tube fixed the problem.
These units can be found on eBay and other ecommerce sites if you search for the keywords - water distiller. Be aware that there's a wild price range for similar units.
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@glassguzzler
@glassguzzler Год назад
My dad used one of these toward the end of his life. He used the water for his CPAP machine. He had to wear the device even while awake. And he couldn't rely on a constant supply of plastic bottles of distilled water for the machine. He often mentioned that he'd like to change the temperature to 160 degrees Fahrenheit and make moonshine. Always a bright spot in the day to see a Big Clive video!
@BlondieSL
@BlondieSL Год назад
There's definitely a way to do this, but it would require some knowledge of electronics. Personally, if I was to add a temperature control to ours (which I have no reason to) I'd be using an Arduino with a metal temperature probe and a cute little color TFT display. LOL Hey, maybe even a touch screen to really snazz it up! It would be pretty easy to do and in fact, adding a 2nd temperature probe could be used as an auxiliary safety feature. Using an Arduino, one could even perhaps add a fan speed control and even a "water drop counter" to measure output. That part would take a bit more work, but very doable. One could have some fun with a project like that.
@ZebbMassiv
@ZebbMassiv Год назад
Just needs a potentiometer and a thermometer
@salerio61
@salerio61 Год назад
You don't control the temperature when you use a pot still, you reduce the power and leave the still to it. Easiest way is a small box with a diode in it and a switch to bypass the diode. Use it in bypass mode to heat up the fluid, then to half power to run the distillate. Don't try and control the temperature, that isn't how it works. The only thing the vapour temperature you is when you are separating the different components in the distillate, but if you don't produce methanol in the first place it's not really an issue.
@georgebridges4127
@georgebridges4127 Год назад
I actually use one of these, specifically sold for Alcohol - but basically the same unit in all ways. But I use it for cleaning IPA after it's been used for resin printing. Recovers the bulk of the IPA for reuse. I'm not sure from an energy perspective it's a whole lot more cost effective than buying IPA, but during the height of covid response it certainly was as IPA had gone through the roof and was even difficult to get in volume. I mean I suppose from pure math it's a better value to distill it - though it is a pain in the rump for a bunch of reasons..
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
Does the residual resin cause issues in the chamber?
@wolvenar
@wolvenar Год назад
@@bigclivedotcom For me it's entirely up to what resin that was mostly used.
@josephking6515
@josephking6515 Год назад
Very clever George, very clever. 👍 I wish I was using quantities of IPA that I could do that to now because the power would cost me almost nothing due to my roof being covered with solar panels.
@birdpump
@birdpump Год назад
Isn't boiling resin alcohol going to produce lots of nasty fumes
@jtjames79
@jtjames79 Год назад
I've been researching this. So far, putting the IPA in a clear soda bottle out in the sun causes it to make a semi solid snot substance. I used a colander to separate it. Then I funneled it back with a coffee filter. It left a little residue, I don't really care that much. I use a three-stage system. Got a container to dunk prints right off the printer. Then it goes into the cleaning machine. Then a final dunking in clean IPA. The residue really doesn't need to be removed for the first dunk. My plan to deal with the residue is run it through a Britta water filter. If it can make rotgut vodka drinkable after a couple of passes, my hypothesis is it'll make it good enough for the cleaning machine. I just left the snot in the sun until it was a solid. Took a couple of days, but it was partly cloudy. Next time I think I might squeeze it with cheesecloth. Works for cheese. I am a mad scientist though so YMMV.
@redsable6119
@redsable6119 Год назад
People also use distilled water for medical devices such as for sleep apnea (Constant Pulmonary Air Pressure Machine)or CPAP. Also useful in humidifiers for avoiding scale.
@wirdy1
@wirdy1 Год назад
CPAP is Continuous Positive Air Pressure. I've used one for the last decade.
@scpvrr
@scpvrr Год назад
…although the distiller itself does have to be descaled as well…through a much easier process.
@redsable6119
@redsable6119 Год назад
@@wirdy1 15 years here.
@Doc_Hawk
@Doc_Hawk Год назад
That moment when you try and sound smart but it backfires
@redsable6119
@redsable6119 Год назад
@@Doc_Hawk I made a mistake, and if you are woefully ignorant of the concept.....Ask you dad.
@pointofthejourney
@pointofthejourney Год назад
Such an elegantly simple device!Steam irons are another common use for distilled water.
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics Год назад
Agreed. Anything that has water channels that could be obstructed with lime is a good candidate for using demineralized water.
@rowgli
@rowgli Год назад
@@KeritechElectronics there is apparently a distinction between demineralised and distilled water. Not enough to worry most people, but I believe distilled is not pure enough for some applications. Sorry to be that anorak.
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics Год назад
@@rowgli distilled is produced through boiling water and condensing the vapor, and demineralized is made by passing water through layers of anionite and cationite, effectively binding all anions and cations (or, to be more precise, substituting them for hydroxyl anions and hydrogen cations which recombine into water molecules).
@RandomBogey
@RandomBogey Год назад
I figured that out the hard way. I bought an iron for the first time ever in my life and it lasted about six months before the holes were blocked up and it started sputtering dirty water/steam onto my clothes. I tried to clean it out with vinegar, and got enough of it that it stopped spitting mineral mud, but I couldn’t get enough of the build up to get it to steam worth a damn. Then the seal between the water reservoir and steam chamber started leaking and there was more steam coming up from between the hot plate and the plastic handle bit, and burning the shit out of me, than there was coming out of the steam holes. So, I bought a new one and just buy $1-something gallons of distilled water from the grocery store that seem to work well
@MikeTrieu
@MikeTrieu Год назад
@@RandomBogey In the future, use citric acid rather than vinegar to dissolve lime scale. It works so much more effectively.
@RiderBlitz1.0
@RiderBlitz1.0 Год назад
Love the color change for the table, but the wooden one was like a signature of this channel.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
It's just a second filming area for bigger items.
@RiderBlitz1.0
@RiderBlitz1.0 Год назад
@@bigclivedotcom happy to hear, have a great day
@KernelLeak
@KernelLeak Год назад
Quite a rare and unusual occurrence actually being able to see you in the frame while you're filming your workbench as usual... :)
@muf1772
@muf1772 Год назад
That LED panel under the shelf above the workbench looks absolutely enormous.
@kempy666999
@kempy666999 Год назад
Thanks for the vid. I've got one of those and actually use it to make distilled water (mainly for technical uses). I make batches (store it in 2L fizzy drink bottles - well rinsed of course) of distilled water only in the winter so I get the benefit of the house being heated by the unit instead of wasting the heat in the summer.
@44RobC
@44RobC Год назад
These units really do make good room heaters when distilling water. More volatile substances produce little waste heat.
@janami-dharmam
@janami-dharmam Год назад
this is an excellent room heater plus a humidifier! two in one.
@justaweeb14688
@justaweeb14688 4 месяца назад
Get a glass jug.
@getcartercarpark.
@getcartercarpark. Год назад
I still have a Liebig condenser and a range of quick connect joints with a large 3lt boiling flask to make distilled water, I end up with tubes all over to supply the condenser with its cold cooling water, but it produces the purest of distilled water with zero risk of the water being boiled reaching the condenser and contaminating the distilled outflow. I used to have a number of very high-capacity lead acid batteries, which is why I made the setup, but the batteries have long gone, and it's been a year or three since I used it. Using an off-the-shelf condenser, like the one shown, is that alcohol boils at a slightly lower temperature than water and an off-the-shelf water condenser will not give you pure distilled alcohol, you'll end up with a large amount of water and some alcohol. I'll not say I did try distilling alcohol from homemade beer, and I'll not say I was careful to keep the boiling temperature at the boiling point of alcohol, and I'll not say I made sure that the temperature never went above the alcohol boiling point. I didn't end up with a small bottle of alcohol and I didn't try a few drops on a spoon and set light to it, there may not be any residue left in the spoon, thus it would be a very pure undiluted alcohol, not for drinking purposes unless you close one and only risk going blind in the one eye you keep open! K.
@balthromaw6305
@balthromaw6305 Год назад
6:20 Actually the fan pushes air out the top of the unit, Look at the curvature of the blades, the way you describe the blades would be running backwards and would be most inefficient. Since heat rises, you would not want to fight that effect, so air is pulled in from the sides and the heated air is pushed out the top.
@MikeTrieu
@MikeTrieu Год назад
You are correct. It sucks cooler air through the cooling disc fins soldered onto the condenser tube and blows the waste heat directly up. Can confirm as I own one. Not recommended to run in the middle of summer as it can quickly make a room uncomfortably hot.
@ryanmalin
@ryanmalin Год назад
@@MikeTrieu I was thinking the same thing as soon as he said it drew air from the top. Good eye gentlemen
@samuelfellows6923
@samuelfellows6923 Год назад
Similar behaviour/output to a condenser tumble dryer ~ needs to be operated in a cold garage, house with the heating off in the winter
@wirdy1
@wirdy1 Год назад
True. Hot air comes out the top. My garage is always noticeable warmer when I've distilled 5L of pure water 😊.
@abc-coleaks-info3180
@abc-coleaks-info3180 Год назад
@@MikeTrieu Does it also increase the humidity in the room, or is the vessel pressurized during use? I currently only make RO for drinking/cooking but have noticed that it is also really good for coffee/tea and other devices that would normally develop deposits. I no longer have a serious need for distilled water, although it is always handy to have around.
@Electronics-Rocks
@Electronics-Rocks Год назад
We have used one (not the same unit)now for 4 years making vodka, rum, gin and essential oils. Great hobby Please do not use the kettle lead it comes with as can be aluminium! Also replace the wire which connects earth from the plug on the side to the distiller's metal work for something you know is copper and thicker.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
I was pondering if the internal earth connections were big enough too.
@Electronics-Rocks
@Electronics-Rocks Год назад
@@bigclivedotcom test it be interesting. Is the lead supplied with your distiller safe?
@samuelfellows6923
@samuelfellows6923 Год назад
Chineseum crap? 😠
@janami-dharmam
@janami-dharmam Год назад
@@bigclivedotcom it just needs to trip the RCCB, that is usually set around 5-10mA, right?
@TopEndSpoonie
@TopEndSpoonie Год назад
Great work Clive. I love your work
@problemwithauthority
@problemwithauthority Год назад
Thanks for the dimmer idea. I purchased different thermal switches to zero in on the evaporation neutral spirits.
@TheGreatAtario
@TheGreatAtario Год назад
I use distilled water for CPAP. I used to buy it premade at the grocery store, but then some time into COVID, the hospitals sucked up the supply and you couldn't find it on the shelf any more, so I bought a distiller to make my own. However, I got a stovetop version (something like a double boiler, but with three pans instead of two), so considerably less intricate than this device.
@HaralHeisto
@HaralHeisto Год назад
@@mobility_criteria 1 US gallon of water uses about 2.7kWh of energy to boil dry (350Wh to heat from 20c to 100c, then 2.35kWh for enthalpy of vaporization), not including heat losses or energy for the fan. Unless your energy is less than about 50c/kWh it's cheaper to buy than make.
@davidwilliams5497
@davidwilliams5497 Год назад
I literally bought one of these yesterday on Amazon Prime Day, and the next day Clive’s posting a video teardown. How convenient!
@adamdavidson4232
@adamdavidson4232 Год назад
Be good to see it working. Never seen one of these before. Great video as usual, thanks.
@scottclay4253
@scottclay4253 Год назад
Thank you, Clive! I have wanted a look at the fintube coil in an airstill for years.
@enginecrzy
@enginecrzy Год назад
Rather serendipitous! I just started using my Megahome Water distiller very recently. I used sink tap water filtered by a premium collagen filter & am surprised by all the crusty sediment!!!
@Farbror_Fredrik
@Farbror_Fredrik Год назад
I really like your voice and the understandings you share. /Sweden
@dragonrider4253
@dragonrider4253 Год назад
I always pictured glass tubes in a lab seting for water distillers. I guess this works too. It's amazing how simple it is. A heat source, something to collect and condense the steam, and somewhere for that water to go. I like this idea.
@lloydevans2900
@lloydevans2900 Год назад
The reason laboratory distillation setups use glass (usually borosilicate pyrex glass as this is more resilient to thermal stress) is because they are usually not used for distilling anything so innocuous as water. Most chemistry labs get through a lot of "distilled" water for rinsing glassware after washing it, since you don't want residues from tap water contaminating your flasks. So it would be highly energy inefficient to run actual distillation systems for this - most labs use ion-exchange resin columns for purifying water since these are much cheaper to run and produce mineral-free water which is perfectly acceptable for rinsing purposes. Anyway, the actual distillation sets are typically used for distilling solvents, or purifying other liquid chemicals, some of which would react with metals or get contaminated by traces of metal oxides from the surfaces of metal condensers. Glass is chemically inert in nearly all situations, which is why labs use glass for reaction vessels and most other chemical handling equipment. Metal condensers do exist though - all you need is the two standard diameters of copper plumbing pipe plus some 8 millimetre copper tube and you can make your own copper "liebig" style condenser by soldering or brazing it all together. For distilling water this is perfectly fine, just not for some other stuff. It's also fine for distilling alcohol of course. In fact, every commercial system for making spirits by distilling some kind of fermented mash will have some copper components in direct physical contact with the alcohol being distilled - this is important since the copper reacts with and removes volatile organo-sulfur components which would otherwise give the distilled spirits a bad taste and/or smell.
@SeventhSwell
@SeventhSwell Год назад
I really enjoy your videos, but if I could make a minor suggestion, a lot of the devices you take to bits I've never heard of, or seen, or seen in action. Maybe you could show them run before tearing them down? Like, I know the process of distilling water but it just never occurred to me that there were countertop water distilling devices like this. It was neat to see its innards but I really wanted to see it in action too. Anyway, your videos are always very fun to watch and thanks for making them!
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
It's not terribly exciting. It makes a boiling noise like a kettle and water dribbles from the spout.
@roygrafton6322
@roygrafton6322 Год назад
don't turn it on, take it apart.😎😎
@janami-dharmam
@janami-dharmam Год назад
@@bigclivedotcom but I have never seen such a gadget! I have seen how water is distilled in glass stills, though.
@Electronics-Rocks
@Electronics-Rocks Год назад
My unit was supplied with a kettle lead made of ALUMINIUM and the element failed to earth! The earth wire melted before RCD tripping. It gave me burns could not use two my fingers for a week and the worst shock in 30 years. Had to have a week off work. I work as an industrial/theatre electrician in highly dangerous environments and proud not to have a shock at work. Ok minor tingling as always test everything then back of hand first I did replace RCD afterwards but on testing it was still within scope.
@knobblyknob
@knobblyknob Год назад
Can't beat that little bacho 1/4 drive set, always using mine.
@wisher21uk
@wisher21uk Год назад
Great gadget Clive thanks for the video
@carlubambi5541
@carlubambi5541 Год назад
Fantastic take down .lots of room for modifications for control unit .Almost bought One on Amazon with the temperature control unit .basically it's the exact same thing with better temperature control .the advantage is you can cook beer and wort and wine and distil good alcohol .
@petersshabbygarage396
@petersshabbygarage396 Год назад
As someone who pays for youtube premium, soly to not see ads, I thank you for not having a VPN/hairloss sponsor message in this video!
@rhiantaylor3446
@rhiantaylor3446 Год назад
I once worked at an organisation that used a lot of lead acid batteries for remote chart recorders etc. and we had a magnificent still made with copper tubing to supply distilled water. Apparently they had replaced it a while before and some years after that "The Revenue" came snooping around to see that they old setup hadn't been put to other uses ! Life is easier with these devices so commonly available.
@BuyitFixit
@BuyitFixit Год назад
Great Video Clive! I bought one of these a couple of years back after watching your "Trash wine" video :) I didn't know that the spout came off I guess I learned something new!
@BlondieSL
@BlondieSL Год назад
That spout is interesting. On ours, like Clive said, there's a little bag of carbon filter material. This is to "sweeten" the water for drinking. If one were to drink the water that comes out without putting it through carbon, may toss the cookies due to the horrible taste of unfiltered distilled water. Yuk! Buying their little filter bags is nuts, however. Way over priced. What I ended up doing was making my own little bags and using carbon filter material that is used for aquariums. The good stuff in the big jar. This made the water taste good. At that time, we only really used the distiller at the cottage where the water wasn't the best tasting thing. Plus, I don't trust water from the pond or lake without processing it first.
@wirdy1
@wirdy1 Год назад
@@BlondieSL good idea with the filter bags. I've been doing similar with aquarium pellets for a pet water fountain for the last few years.
@Leroys_Stuff
@Leroys_Stuff Год назад
Dang buddy you find some cool stuff very interesting when I can’t sleep
@AMDRADEONRUBY
@AMDRADEONRUBY Год назад
Yeah Looks pretty nice and the fan looks like the shower head fan. Love theses kinds of machines
@ChrisHorswill
@ChrisHorswill Год назад
Cracking Beard in the reflection! Respect Big Clive!
@cozmium
@cozmium Год назад
That opening with the reflection of Clive, was like when Dave Lister was talking to Talkie the Toaster in Red Dwarf. Awesome.
@BlondieSL
@BlondieSL Год назад
OMG! We have one of those! LOL Not the "shiny" one, but it's all plastic white. This thing works well. Not that we use it very much anymore. In fact, I've only used it to make distilled water to top up lead acid batteries. But a really cool thing, is that we bought this tall pot that just happens to have it's rim the exact size so that the top part fits right on it. This way, we fill that with hot water and sit it on the gas stove (low heat). we plug the top part in and put a container to catch the distilled water. This saves a lot of electricity as the heating element in the lower part is a current sucker. On the gas stove, it works perfectly .In some of the places that we live, when it's completed a cycle, the buildup inside the pot from the hard water is very pronounced, showing just how much of the "hard" was removed. What a great product.
@wirdy1
@wirdy1 Год назад
Got one of these at a boot sale for £2. Works great for making distilled water for my cpap humidifier.
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner Год назад
Worth it just for the peek at Clive's setup.
@dennisk5818
@dennisk5818 Год назад
Wow!! there really is a BigClive on the other side of those hands. Love your work.
@SteenSpinal4LIFE
@SteenSpinal4LIFE Год назад
Good morning Clive! Have a nice weekend :)
@GamingFeelsCool
@GamingFeelsCool Год назад
The best thing about this video was seeing you from an alternate perspective!
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
There is a secret livestream channel that is basically a drunken pub meeting for around 1000 people. But it's not to everyone's taste. BigCliveLive.
@A7mag3ddon
@A7mag3ddon Год назад
I bought one of these after you first showed this off when distilling wine! I make my own rum and use it for that haha.
@ConstantlyDamaged
@ConstantlyDamaged Год назад
You could fit a thermostat to it, so long as it's rated for mains voltage. Might need to check the wiring to ensure things are working just fine (perhaps even a solid state relay to take the load off the thermostat). Would make a nice little kit project.
@Ghyus01
@Ghyus01 Год назад
I got one of these for the.... Other uses. Works beautifully. Works best if you throw it out on your deck on a cool night. Less losses with cooler temperatures out there!
@linuxranch
@linuxranch Год назад
Adding a settable thermostat, possibly even a PID controller, in just the heater leg of the circuit would allow precise temp control (below 100c) unless you replace the temp cutouts. Someone mentioned using reverse osmosis to "deionize" water.. It won't work. You need a deionizer column with "water softener" beads in the column. Lab stills are made of a special glass tubing.. metal will leave all sorts of ions in the output. Thanks for the look inside.
@Pippy626
@Pippy626 Год назад
Love the cob light with missing led from a pervious episode.
@renowden2010
@renowden2010 Год назад
When distilling you should really use the mid stream flow as the early stuff will have more volatile contaminants (such as ethanol) and the end of the run will contain heavier oils etc.
@SovietVenturesInc
@SovietVenturesInc Год назад
Great video Clive. Nice new table top. I shall tell my brother Karl, the accountant I'm marrying you off to, that you have a good sense of interior design.
@laura-loves-god
@laura-loves-god Год назад
I have one - best machine ever....in my humble opinion. I use it constantly for making pure water for drinking. You cannot get cleaner water. I love it.
@martinjf467
@martinjf467 Год назад
That one is way posher than mine! I've had mine for absolutely years and apart from that "burping" issue I had a while back it's always been great. I've made literally gallons and gallons of booze with it! It's not illegal to do over here in Portugal either! You have to keep the cooling fins very clean over here because if it gets fluffed up it barely copes with the higher ambient air temperature.
@normkirkland1999
@normkirkland1999 Год назад
During the Covid thing and the year after I found it difficult to locate steady supplies of distilled water. I'm an older guy and I use a BiPAP machine during sleep that requires distilled water for humidifying the air. The solution to maintaining a supply of distilled water was to purchase a countertop distiller very similar to the one Clive has shown. Thanks to him, I now know how to replace the activated charcoal filter. No, I'm not too old to learn but you might have to talk a little slower. :)
@Nf6xNet
@Nf6xNet Год назад
I bought a very similar distiller right at the beginning of the covid pandemic to distill water for my CPAP. With my local electric rates, I think it would be cheaper to buy bottled distilled water at the supermarket, but at the time the shelves were empty at the store. I continue to distill my own water rather than buying it in disposable plastic jugs.
@Heythisisnotadrill
@Heythisisnotadrill Год назад
Love this video! Please break down the air still pro - it has a built in reflux condenser and it's just been released.. I'm sure a lot of people will be keen to see how it's made and how it works
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
It's also hideously expensive.
@casemodder89
@casemodder89 Год назад
i like the 70W led panel for smooth illumination.
@dennis8196
@dennis8196 Год назад
Interesting to see your lighting comes from the LED COBs you did a teardown on several years back.
@CollectiveSoftware
@CollectiveSoftware Год назад
I have what seems to be the same design but with plastic instead of chrome shell. I do use it to make distilled water!
@Tocsin-Bang
@Tocsin-Bang Год назад
You used to need a Customs & Excise licence, even for a water still in the UK, I know because I had to renew our licence in several schools, I worked in. Not the glass version used for demos, but the ones used for producing distilled water. Many were made by a company called Manesty. They used a kettle element.
@mrtechie6810
@mrtechie6810 Год назад
The electricity cost is significant. Carbon + RO/DI is cheaper and better than a still, for purifying water in significant quantities. You can add a UV unit if you need to kill bacteria etc.
@maxhammick948
@maxhammick948 Год назад
With the simple internal construction, an enterprising individual could easily hack that with a u-controller and mains rated relay to maintain a given temperature in the boiling vessel. Fit a solid state relay and you could even PWM the heating element for PID control
@theelmonk
@theelmonk Год назад
Many years ago I saw a secondhand water distiller - the glass system that every school chemistry lab had - and long regretted not buying it. But then the common thing to buy instead of distilled water (eg for batteries) was deionised water, I think produced by reverse osmosis. It was apparently just as good for most purposes. If deonised water truly removes all the ions that aren't H or O, then what is the remaining advantage of true distilling ?
@anullhandle
@anullhandle Год назад
theelmonk, iirc deionized uses an ion exchange resin although you could then run that thru ro. I think you can substitute distilled for deionized but not always the other way round. Deionized is cheaper. Note as the universal solvent 100% pure h2o is unobtainium.
@marossgnv
@marossgnv Год назад
Semiconductor manufacturing uses ultra high purity water. So pure it is actually toxic.
@janami-dharmam
@janami-dharmam Год назад
deionized water does have organic impurities- contamination from sewer will have ammonia that will not be removed by distillation. same way alcohol and acids (acetic acid) will be removed only partly by distillation. for lab quality water, you need to distill the distilled water and use a quartz still and heating without producing bubbles.
@jtreg
@jtreg 8 месяцев назад
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@tundramanq
@tundramanq Год назад
You can always leave the lid ajar for the first 10 minutes of boiling to get rid of the VOCs, Similar to alcohol distilling where you toss out the heads that have a lot of the semi toxic amyl alcohol from the fermenting process that cause headaches and bad taste.
@9demirtas
@9demirtas Год назад
doing that can trigger natural gas leak detectors, though. be prepared
@EdwardTriesToScience
@EdwardTriesToScience Год назад
The whole thing actually resembles an electric kettle (one of the fancy ones you leave plugged in and it keeps the water hot), down to the heating element and top part, I bet they're both made using the same molds and parts but just swap a few things around (ie some thermal switches and the top part). I might look into modifying mine actually
@kevinburton8248
@kevinburton8248 Год назад
Nice early upload my dear freind . Breakkfast both Clive . Ps as always great vid and a handy device ☺
@FurrBeard
@FurrBeard Год назад
If one wanted to control the heat, it's easy enough to power the fan separately from the heater since they've provided a convenient connector.
@jmr
@jmr Год назад
The first thing I thought was for topping off batteries. People also use distilled water for baby formula. Somehow there was a distilled water shortage in parts of the US. Some local liquor distilleries chipped in and made water for a bit. Didn't effect me because I have one of these.
@stewpitt8388
@stewpitt8388 Год назад
Jim Browning,you truly are a Renaissance Man.
@abavariannormiepleb9470
@abavariannormiepleb9470 Год назад
Aah, the nostalgia from being reminded of the polished steel kettle eBay listing photograph… :D
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
It's that the one that had a reflection of a "toy"?
@abavariannormiepleb9470
@abavariannormiepleb9470 Год назад
@@bigclivedotcom The “original” one as far as I know is the one with the reflection of the gentleman selling the kettle. He didn’t bother to wear anything except the camera he was taking the photo with.
@TeslaWasHere
@TeslaWasHere Год назад
I was wondering if you could provide some more detail on the cooling fins around the condenser tube. E.g., coupling method
@keithjurena9319
@keithjurena9319 Год назад
Very similar to the water distiller I use. They don't do a good job on alcohol due to heating power and what chemist would call a low theoretical plate count. This means poor fractionation as the difference between boiling points isn't much..30 degrees or so. Water and total dissolved solids have a much higher boiling point difference. It is a lovely 750 Watt heater as the maximum temperature is below 100°C.
@XenXenOfficial
@XenXenOfficial Год назад
2:24 I cleared my throat as soon as he went silent. It felt like he heard me. I'm sorry, mysterious telekinetic overlord of RU-vid.
@sparkyprojects
@sparkyprojects Год назад
I'm wondering if the internal cut out is controlling the temperature like a fixed value thermostat, easy to find out if the current cycles up and down. Drinking only distilled water can cause health problems, you would need to add essential minerals and nutrients, Nighthawkinglight covered this and said he added just a bit of the original (boiled) water into the distilled product.
@Backroad_Junkie
@Backroad_Junkie Год назад
Dammit Clive, you shouldn't tempt me, lol.
@1kreature
@1kreature Год назад
Depending on the minerals in the water you can also have "soft water". Instead of hard water with calcium and magnesium you can have soft water with lots of sodium and potassium... Often from natural springs.
@BedsitBob
@BedsitBob Год назад
You can soften hard water chemically.
@1kreature
@1kreature Год назад
@@BedsitBob Which adds the elements that the hard water ions like to bind with so it can settle out or at least be inert in the chemical sense for washing up... Calcium Hydroxide (slaked lime) for example can be added to make the Magneisum Chrloide in hard water precipitate out as Magnesium Hydroxide, then since you added extra Calcium you now have a lot more of that than before (hard water can be MgCl2 (Magnesium Chloride) and Ca(OH)2) (Calsium Hydroxide)), so to get rid of that you then add Sodium Carbonate. Result is precipitate of of Calcium Carbonate. In addition you are left with Sodium Chloride in solution. That's just one example though. For such a process you need to know a lot of what is in the water to properly "cancel it out".
@htiekmahned8859
@htiekmahned8859 Год назад
Judging by the concave side of the fan blade being on top it blows upwards and draws cool air in the sides. Heat naturally rises so expelling the waste heat upwards where it cannot be recirculated in a loop makes a little more sense from a scientific point of view. 😉
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
The air blows in the opposite direction from what I described. It's different to my other one.
@htiekmahned8859
@htiekmahned8859 Год назад
@@bigclivedotcom in any event, I'm still a big fan of your videos ❤️
@rowgli
@rowgli Год назад
Thanks Clive. I have one of these to provide water for my carnivorous plants. Always wondered what went on inside so really good to have a video to save me breaking it ;) Also, alcohol eh?
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics Год назад
Alcohol would need a slight change of preset temperature (78 rather than 100 degrees centigrade) and the heater's power might need some adjustment too. Easily done with a PID regulator.
@rowgli
@rowgli Год назад
@@KeritechElectronics sounds interesting, wonder if I could use a temp controller I already have to do this non invasively (not really, of course ;) )
@Rapscallion2009
@Rapscallion2009 Год назад
@@KeritechElectronics It actually doesn't. When the alcohol boils off there is a state change and it holds the temperature down at 78 until it's almost all gone and then the temperature will rise to 100c and boil off the water. Doing it with a PID might be more elegant and accurate and allow you to use a meatier heater for faster results, so it would be a good edition.
@Rapscallion2009
@Rapscallion2009 Год назад
Oh, I just used hard water for mine..... I wonder if that's why I was never successful?
@wayneessar7489
@wayneessar7489 Год назад
Do you grill steaks for them?
@scpvrr
@scpvrr Год назад
I use one of these to produce distilled water for medical use, and whatever other uses come up in the home. Leading into COVID and throughout, supply chains for distilled water were disrupted at the retail level. This guaranteed that I had a source. They are slow to get ROI considering 1 hour of power consumption per liter of water.
@kayze009
@kayze009 Год назад
Thought it was a fancy rice cooker. Haha!
@francoisbelangerboisclair
@francoisbelangerboisclair 3 месяца назад
They also sell a version made for water, alcohol or oil distillation. The main difference is you can set a temperature and run time electronically on the unit. So no mod needed!
@retireeelectronics2649
@retireeelectronics2649 Год назад
I am sold, much better than the leaky contraption in the garage for purifying water of course, yeh.
@kick1ass20
@kick1ass20 Год назад
Very identical internals to those cheap rice cookers. Didn't expect that, but of course it is... that's how rice cookers work. They cut boil until they exceed about 100 degC.
@tristanwegner
@tristanwegner Год назад
I wondered what the simplest design would be so the waste heat is not all released into the air, but used to heat up the next water close to boiling temperature, so evaporating it takes less energy. Just like in industrial distillation - heat recovery. I mean even just 50% recovery would be a huge efficiency gain.
@RossReedstrom
@RossReedstrom Год назад
usually done in a continuous flow apparatus. I suppose you could do a batch variation on that, but as the secondary pot gets warm, efficiency of condensation would drop, so you'd end up with either losing water vapor (humidifying the room) or need just as long a condenser anyway.
@simonbenjamins5175
@simonbenjamins5175 Год назад
@@RossReedstrom You could probably do it using a heat pump, but would be terribly complicated for such a small distiller.
@alexanderm2702
@alexanderm2702 Год назад
I'm thinking instead of a coil and fan, have the steam move through a 1/4" copper pipe that's inside of a 1/2" pipe. Water comes in through the 1/2" pipe, which cools the 1/4" enough to make it an evaporator, and that heat is transferred to the new water, pre-heating it before evaporation.
@RossReedstrom
@RossReedstrom Год назад
@@alexanderm2702 that's a pretty good description of one form of counterflow heat exchanger.
@nutgone100
@nutgone100 Год назад
That encapsulated element looks identical to the one in the kettle that I took apart the other day. I’ll bet they’re all made to the same pattern in one factory, just with differing wattage ratings. Unfortunately the kettle wasn’t fixable, the switch had overheated on the neutral side & melted the plastic supporting the terminals. I can’t decide whether to keep the element though, I’m thinking about starting some hot salt blackening for steel parts which needs sensitive temperature control, I was considering a PID controller, but I don’t think the old kettle will be big enough.
@paulwright8378
@paulwright8378 Год назад
I've had one of those for around 10 years now an if you are going to fragment a sugar wash fermentation I recommend to chuck away the first 10ml as it might be methanol an to just keep 700ml to drink anything after that will be tales an taste horrible
@LegoDork
@LegoDork Год назад
I knew Big Clive would be an expert at getting tops off easily.
@dcallan812
@dcallan812 Год назад
you could add the dimmer measurinuse a thermocouple set the tempriture of heater to biol off diffrent elements with in a liquid with some degree of acuacy. I guess you could also just poke a thrmocouple (between the lid and container )into the liquid and watch the temprature as it heats said liquid. Hany item to have about the home 2x👍
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Год назад
Cheers for that. Of course if distilling temperature was critical you could always put a temperature sensor in and use a motor control type circuit to chop the phase as you aim for you target temperature. I suspect a budding tinkerer has already done that...
@McTroyd
@McTroyd Год назад
We have a similar distiller we use to keep the scale out of our humidifiers during the winter. As there must be some heat loss through those coils, I had thought about adding a normally-open thermal switch to the side of the tank, with the idea of letting the heater bring the water temperature up before the coils get the active cooling. Thought is that maybe it'll cycle quicker and use less power.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
The heat loss from the top section is very low relative to the power of the bottom section. It only really affects the steam.
@McTroyd
@McTroyd Год назад
@@bigclivedotcom Interesting. Oh well. I have so many other projects I should be working on that it wasn't likely to happen anyway. 😁
@skepticfucker280
@skepticfucker280 Год назад
Plug condenser into wall not base, then condenser cools at max and you can then mess with "pot" temp.
@BuyitFixit
@BuyitFixit Год назад
I did that, and used one of those cheap Chinese temperature controllers with the thermocouple placed inside :) Mixed results tho...
@samuelfellows6923
@samuelfellows6923 Год назад
I like the look of those and using one - as I also have a interest in ventilation fans, but we have already had a fling with those water filter jugs/kettles. I live in London and it has hard water and we get lime-scale in the toilets, shower heads, hot water/central heating system and in the kettle. And that Thames water says 🇬🇧 has the safest, cleanest water supply (in comparison to other countries) so those filter jugs are a financial drain/scam = buying and stocking the cartridge filters, commissioning the filter ~ filling and dumping the water 2x before using it and resetting the counter in the jugs lid - when it runs out you have to replace the filter. And most of the jugs are designed to put in the fridge, in the door pocket - taking/wasting space in your fridge, or you save used water bottles and put those in the fridge for cold water. With the more stylish ones to adorn your kitchen with, the filter kettles claim to remove the scum on tea and the kettle doesn’t scale-up = my mum puts milk in her tea and doesn’t see the scum and likes how it tastes, and we put vinegar in the kettle to de-scale it and most modern kettles now have a spout screen to stop the bits of scale from pouring into your hot drink so we don’t need a filter kettle. As for the taste; tap water has a distinct taste to it and a filter jug will remove it = making it bland and as water should taste - improving the squash drinks you make with it, but I am not fussed with the taste of tap water. And all modern dishwashers have a water softener built in you just set it and regularly put dishwasher salt in it. We put Calgon in the washer and it has a self-cleaning program so hasn’t got a scale problem. Unfortunately our mains water is shared with the neighbours - so we know where the stop-cock is but don’t know where it splits from there ~ to install a water softener. As for the distiller in the video - I assume it would be similar to a heater fan to run it
@mxslick50
@mxslick50 Год назад
Clive, I think there is a thermal fuse in the unit, it would be under the fibreglass sleeve under the manual reset switch on the red wire. I will be sending you an email later today, I have an interesting device to send to you for a teardown video. Coming back to the Isle for the TT next summer, see you then. Cheers.
@key2010
@key2010 Год назад
yooooooooooo clive man, an alcohol video! i love those :D ... although i don't drink :P
@psirvent8
@psirvent8 Год назад
I remember having had a bit of an argument with my dad a few years ago when he saw videos of people distilling all the tap water they were drinking with one of these and showing all the gunk it had pulled from water. What I was saying was that I think drinking distilled water isn't good for your health (As he wanted to convert the house to rain water instead of tap water even for drinking purposes) and also I did tell him that the gunk was more good minerals than pollutants or harmful chemicals but he didn't accept that idea and kept telling me that people in the video were doing all good, doing everything the way it should be done. I still drink water as it comes from the tap as usual though.
@null643
@null643 Год назад
He was right, the chemicals in tap water isn't healthy for the body. Distilled water by these units is not dangerous at all. I've been drinking it for 3 years now, always funny when people say that.
@wirdy1
@wirdy1 Год назад
Tap water in my CPAP heated humifier used to go musty after a day, but distilled water stays fresh for 3+ days & is more pleasant to breathe. Yeah, I know it says to clean them every day, but who actually does that? 😉.
@bbrockert
@bbrockert Год назад
"chemicals in tap water isn't healthy for the body": this is wankery. Dissolved minerals are fine, and in fact can be a significant source of dietary calcium. Safe tap water is one of the most important developments of human civilization; countries that don't have it waste huge amounts of daily human effort carrying water around.
@daverobertson8073
@daverobertson8073 Год назад
@@bbrockert Unfortunately now tap water has chlorine, small amounts of pharma drugs, aluminium salts and in some places the known neurotoxin fluoride. This is all available information which has to be published by your local water provider so is not "wankery". Although yes you do lose out on disolved minerals in the water but it would probably be better to add some which have all necessary trace minerals in that perhaps are lacking in modern diets.
@bbrockert
@bbrockert Год назад
"the known neurotoxin fluoride" thanks for making it clear that you're going for wankery.
@brettd5884
@brettd5884 Год назад
I've got one of these. I need distilled water for my CPAP machine humidifier (sleep apnea). I ran out of dist water, and just wasn't finding any in any of the stores (it's always been harder to find than expected.) I also have a steam cleaner that needs dist water. The top portion wasn't very well assembled - the fan blades were striking the plastic housing making a racket. Other than mine running from 120V 60Hz, yours looks a lot like mine, even drawing about 725W (measured with a P4400 Kill-A-Watt, similar to your Hopi). I also don't trust these to "automatically" turn off - I use a countdown timer that I can set to turn off at 3.5 Hours. I don't think these actually "boil" the water. Rather, they heat the water enough to achieve rapid evaporation. Boiling throws water droplets up and can be collected by the condenser. Rapid evaporation is a much calmer operation to produce steam.
@oasntet
@oasntet Год назад
It avoids having a rolling, violent boil, but it does get the water just up to the boiling point. But the difference between evaporation and boiling is a matter of degree (hah) anyway.
@MikeTrieu
@MikeTrieu Год назад
If you add a heat conductive medium to the boiler that has a lot of surface area like copper wool, you can get more nucleation sites and it will indeed boil quite vigorously. Mine is so violent that the water sloshing around in there when it's full makes the whole apparatus kind of do a wobbling "dance" on the wire rack I have it situated on.
@wirdy1
@wirdy1 Год назад
Mine gently boils.
@HillbillyYEEHAA
@HillbillyYEEHAA Год назад
We've hadc the builders in and a thick layer of dust has accumulated in the top fan. From this video,I know you can clean it out now 😂 Thank you. Saves me potentially buying a new one.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
Applying a vacuum cleaner to the outside should be enough.
@stevenspmd
@stevenspmd Год назад
I think you can by "plug-in" dimmer switches; though they suggest only for use with lighting? I'm guessing that resistive loads work but that the switching of the dimmer causes voltage spikes? wouldn't anything with A/C as input need to sort out any induction anyhow?
@iivarimokelainen
@iivarimokelainen Год назад
if you put a diode in series with the heating element, would that half the power (since it wouldn't see half of the AC wave)?
@TravisStamper
@TravisStamper Год назад
I use one of these regularly, nice to see it disassembled. The one I have has temp control though. Thanks for the video
@thedon2512
@thedon2512 Год назад
Oh my word, did you now go break that distiller did you? I have a similar one but really made for distilling alcohol. Has a fermentation function built in, good to know how it looks inside
@armchairwarrior963
@armchairwarrior963 Год назад
I have the same unit!
@johnthefactfddict3281
@johnthefactfddict3281 Год назад
standard design found on the amazon 100-120v model is basically the same outside including the fan+carbon(you can see the carbon cartridge and metal fan) so yeah you basically dim the main unit and as the can use seperate IEC connectors you could use a simple variac or even cheap 1000w capable dimmer to run it at less power I would likely use a 24v ~1500va transformer out of an old UPS (APC models have great 12/14v transformers depending on battery size and even use connectors so you can just borrow it) to give the unit 24vac so roughly (750/120=Ao(6.25A), 120/Ao=R(20 ohms), 24/r=An(1.2A),An*24=Wn(28.8)) so roughly 30w of power for very slow careful boiling of spirits/volatiles I would likely use a set of valves onto a compression fitting on the output side of the cooling tube(so I can use it normally without them) to have a pressure/temp output measurement to auto change valves based on boiling point so I can set it up with a continuous flow of input(using a cheeky side-mounted float switch and input connector that is normally capped) then basically flow in my distillate source and keep the pot going slow and steady 24/7 point of that is so I can basically make a whole house purifier or full-auto ethanol maker/extractor for engine blends(yes boiling gasoline will be risky but with slow control I can get basically camp fuel and then the leftover semi-stable additives(minus the butane they add) so I can store longer as multiple parts and inject some butane into the addative+white gas mix when I need engine fuels of burn the white as-is for camping as I wanna live on a modular barge mansion property :P
@johnthefactfddict3281
@johnthefactfddict3281 Год назад
@@NOSUBSCRIBERSWANTED well it may be slightly more ingredients that are volatile (ethanol if you care balances octane to slightly higher "grades" cheaply) but as "white gas" is just pure "gasoline base" and butane can be cracked cheaply and simply from a purified anaerobic digester gas output, then if you have the "11 herbs and spices" in a powdered/hyper dense concentrate and simply use a sodastream-type device to inject butane at ~20psi (max before butane liquifies) the longer life of "white gas" makes it semi-ideal for storage especially in a climate controlled non-uv storage closet with 100% sealed plastic containers(metal might rust and if there is ANY air exchange it will begin to react with air and become contaminated) turns out if gasoline is stored inside(risky if vented AT ALL) it can be kept at the right temps to avoid the need to vent(circular argument on why to never store indoors) and so you can store for 5+years in at least the non-ethanol blend and white gas in an unbroken canister could last 10+ just reseal the containers(must hold 20-40psi so 2l bottles are ok) and your gas in a cool dark place can last nearly a decade before degredation makes it risky for any engines but you can always just re-distill old gas to get the sludge+additives out then mix then take the pure hydrocarbon base(white gas) and remix with additives and butane the petrochemical industry doesn't let this info be very available as humans would make a risky non-rated distiller and blow up their homes by cooking hydrocarbons indoors or maybe just greed as they change supply based purely on what they can force the demand to make us pay the real sad part is that we even have 100% renewable ways to MAKE gasoline from NON-OIL sources(it requires a 10 bar reactor at nearly 500 degrees Celsius) but we can make it without paying for foreign oil and is powered by the atom(one of the safest forms of cheap high energy) we can easily 100% dump the need for oil besides medical plastics(sadly the last thing that still can't be done without crude) but once the need for gasoline/diesel/kerosene/propane/butane is supplied by non-oil the research for non-oil plastic that is ideal for medicine will have no profit margin to suppress and so we can become a green society in a few decades just know that ANY LEAKS and your gas vapors(and the butane gas) will pool in your house if that amount reaches the ideal fuel+oxygen ratio even the heating element could make it go "boom" so ONLY outdoor hydrocarbon distilling if you do it inside you are at fault for the inevitable explosion now I have covered my legal ass and said why distilling gas is almost ok and can nearly be reversed so storing gas for emergencies (the apocalypse or soon-to be loss of ALL oil(gonna happen if we don't go green)) now you have the actual facts and some basic ideas on how to run your generator/car when the pumps dry up so you can be one of the richest members of the post-oil society
@michaelcloutier2225
@michaelcloutier2225 Год назад
Clive cpap sleep apnea devices require distilled water so that the hard water deposits don't form in the humidity chamber.(my sinuses bleed if I do not use the humidity) I have a much earlier (1990s) version of this device and when I can't get a gallon of Distilled water at the store it works a treat.
@Stuntman707
@Stuntman707 Год назад
Distilled water isn’t great for drinking as it doesn’t contain the usual minerals but it is good for medical uses. I prefer using a Brita filter for drinking water as it keeps the minerals and still softens the water. Also I can keep it in the fridge.
@Jawst
@Jawst Год назад
I love how simple these are but I feel they would perform a lot better with a PID controller!
@cheeseschrist2303
@cheeseschrist2303 Год назад
Wifi enabled, for sure.
@adamparisi745
@adamparisi745 Год назад
I had one of these with a PID built in. I was using it for products other than distilled water, and an issue I had with it was that it tended to scorch on the bottom, run too fast while heating, and giving less than pleasant results. I ended up bypassing the PID, using a simple power controller and results were much better.
@markburton5292
@markburton5292 Год назад
The one I have does have a PID. You can also set the target temp and the shut off temp deviation. I set it for the IPA boil temp and then when it goes up to above that into the temp for boiling water it shuts off. I use it for recovering IPA that has been used to clean resin 3d prints.
@sirifail4499
@sirifail4499 Год назад
Add a digital thermometer with the sensor thermally glued to lower canister. That would allow fractional distillation.
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