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Waves NLS vs Slate VCC
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Waves NLS is a virtual channel strip plugin very similar to the slate digital VCC plugin, the idea is it gives you the sound of an analogue console. in this case it emulates 3 very specific consoles,
The classic console owned by Mike Hedges (The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Dido, Faithless, Manic Street Preachers, U2), heard on such timeless recordings as Pink Floyd’s The Dark Side of the Moon.
The vintage British console customized for Yoad Nevo (Bryan Adams, Pet Shop Boys, Sugababes, Goldfrapp, Air).
Waves modeled over 100 individual channels in all, capturing the unique color, character, and behavior of each and every input and summing bus amp.
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@Unders 5 лет назад

How to set up NLS correctly - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7yJmtL0SbCY.html 4:15 bypass 4:37 S SSL 4:59 Waves SSL 5:22 S SSL E 6:09 S Neve 6:28 Waves Neve 12:16 S API 12:43 Waves EMI

@psyderdj Год назад

4 years late but for anyone seeing this the Waves NLS channel works in dual mono by default and can mess with your phase, so I change it to stereo mode to work around this issue. Maybe thats what is causing the phasing you were talking about in the highs. I use NLS a lot for basslines and noticed my bass was going out of phase a lot until I switched the stereo mode.

@Unders Год назад

yeah a good point that i seldom think about. Thanks for highlighting it. Thats down to DAW logic will pick the stereo option. I think PT also opts for dual mono though.

@BobbyWashingtonMusic 5 лет назад

I have VCC and VMR and also have Waves NSL.... and the SSL Channel. I love the sound of the NSL across all audio channels and underneath I add the SSL channel as a second plugin and on the master buss I have The NSL Buss, SSL Channel and J37 tape... it’s amazing sounding...

@Unders 5 лет назад

That’s a lot of saturation. What genre? I can see this working to create that 90’s hip hop vibe

@dangdrjay3011 2 года назад

This is my second account the genre was underground classical trap edm Peter

@gotyor 5 лет назад

I have both of these also. Love them both, but my go to is always the NLS on most channels. I also use the ssl of the nls on anything that needs to be solid, i.e. drums, bass, anything thats needs ssl punch. I use the emi to to two different things, one is saturation distortion and giving more width to tracks, and the neve I save for detail leads or anything you need more clarity from. As for slate I use it in the same way. but I will only use the slate one if I am using it for other things that come in the bundle like blue strip 76 or distressors. also love the lift eq in bundle, again if i am turning on VMR always seem to add a little lift to things.

@Unders 5 лет назад

Thanks for the input.

@MachineCityAudio 6 лет назад

Always wondered which of these would sound better, I have the VCC but never tried the waves NLS, I personally think the Waves NLS sounds better...Thanks for the video :)

@Unders 6 лет назад

Your totally welcome. They both have their strengths, but that EMI console on NLS is a winner for me too.

@matbell1514 6 лет назад

Great Vid, I have used both. I agree with EMI statement but both plugins are subtle.

@Unders 6 лет назад

Thanks for watching Mat. Are you using NLS then?

@matbell1514 6 лет назад

Yeah, but the thing is I have never used a analogue console so I don't know what results I am meant to be getting, I have nothing to compare it against. I seem to be getting a warmer sound by putting the waves pultec eq on my masterbus. Does that make sense to you?

@Unders 6 лет назад

Yup totally. I love pultec EQ especially to lift up high end. If it sounds good then go with it 👍

@GatoPaint 4 года назад

for some reason I have the same issue with the SSL simulation of the channel NLS, BUT the Mike and Nevo sound amazing in my opinnion, one its very dark focused and the other is pretty balanced and bright, hopefully Waves fixes this for users

@kriscody3577 5 лет назад

I like the NLS EMI from Waves and use it a lot. I like em both as well and a combination would be cool. I find myself replacing the SSL with the Omnichannel. I say that cause I'm going away from SSL lately.

@Unders 5 лет назад

Hey the Omni chan is straight up amazing, no excuses needed 😝

@BukanIbuMu 5 лет назад

Hey Unders, the NLS has the mini drive button if you look closely just under the lit Green square button. Just like the VCC.

@Unders 5 лет назад

You mean the group drive knob on the bus? Because it doesn't work the same as VCC its relative to the drive value of each plugin instance

@BukanIbuMu 5 лет назад

@@Unders Oh, my mistake. Thanks for correcting me.

@Unders 5 лет назад

@@BukanIbuMu All good. Discussion like this is the whole reason i started the channel :)

@warringtonruncorn 6 лет назад

It's really difficult to tell through the RU-vid compression the differences between the types - they are incredibly subtle plugins. I do have the Slate package though and I know it's just about the sweetest sounding digital gear you can have.

@Unders 6 лет назад

my accidental discovery of stacking the two together is super sweet too. Ive also had VCC for a long time before it was part of VMR. Not much i can do about the youtube compression. I could upload the 4k files but then 95% of my audience simply cant stream at 4k anyway

@AtmLifted 5 лет назад

The nls has more of a hollow god like sound and vcc has more of a oomf im here sound

@proverbalizer 4 года назад

damn, I never thought about that when watching so many mixing tutorials on YT, thought maybe it was my hearing that wasn't picking up on subtle stuff

@Reggi_Sample Год назад

@@Undersdon’t feel bad about stacking I run VCC into Harrison mixbus 32C

@DalleyMusic 3 года назад

Slate gives a weird upper-mid sound. The Waves EMI "Mike" setting is very good though!

@Unders 3 года назад

it really comes down to "Do like this flavour on this sound?" once you get how they function differently anyways. Thanks for watching.

@schwarz-musikproduktion 5 лет назад

mate what CPU do you have, that you can run so many slate and Waves plugins simultaneously? thanks for the shoot out. I own the VCC but want to buy waves nls too. Hearing a lot of good stuff about the NLS.

@Unders 5 лет назад

2017 i7 An NLS is on offer right now plus an extra 10% off here. bit.ly/WavesBonus Thanks for watch and taking a moment to reach out too 🤜🤛

@variancewithin 4 года назад

@@Unders they make like 15 different CPUs in a year. your cpu should be named in the About section of your computer. It would be "I7 ####" with 4 numbers behind it, and sometimes with a few letters after the 4 numbers. - also posting the GHz along with the exact CPU model is the only way to be helpful, especially considering that Intel i7 has ranges all the way from server and overclocking gaming machine, to barely able to run chrome

@real.demesure 5 лет назад

Sometimes one can run into problem when not using the stereo/dual mono button.

@Unders 5 лет назад

Thanks for the input.

@denchik00 4 года назад

Great video! I’ve been using NLS EMI for all of my recent projects, now that I hear the VCC - it seems like it adds a much more subtle and transparent enhancement. The NLS sounds good but adds a lot of low end (?) the way I hear it. I’m pretty new to the mixing thing so I have a question; what amount of headroom should I leave so the NLS wont squash the mix the way it does usually? I leave approx -6 db at the moment, should I go -18? Am I speaking nonsense? Any input will be appreciated!

@Unders 4 года назад

each NLS responds differently. If you find it squashing there's really 2 places to look. 1 the input gain 2 the drive control. An remember if they are linked, One place being driven might sound ace, but it will drive all the others.

@denchik00 4 года назад

Unders Thanks, I will look into it!

@shaft9000 4 года назад

good rule of thumb : if up to ~10-12 tracks - gain each stage at around -12dB, if more tracks, then record around -18dB . When working in 24-bit or better with relatively clean AC power, your limiter's make-up has no problem boosting 30-40 dB at the output stage, and your noise floor should be well low-enough. Anything all-ITB is even less of a worry - you could probably track at -50dB and boost later with no significant problems.

@mika461983 4 года назад

you cranked the buss drive on NLS Spike up to 6. I found it's distorting the things in not such a good way above 3. The Mike has less distortion and the Nevo has even less. By the way, Spike channels work a lot more clearer than the Spike buss.

@Unders 4 года назад

You might find your signals were hotter, hence the distortion.

@mika461983 4 года назад

@@Unders not extremely hot. I prefer to get my master peak levels from -6 to -12 before it goes to first plugin on master section

@mjseppo 2 года назад

RC tube and EMI (Mike) would have been good.

@djfatrock8509 4 года назад

So please which plugins can work same as nls buss

@Unders 4 года назад

VCC like in the video. I dont know if any others that work the same.

@bishopblade 5 лет назад

The Slate Brit 4K E seems like it gave the mix more depth. Is that the EMI console emulation? Also, the SLate Neve has a punch to it.

@Unders 5 лет назад

"Mike" is the EMI desk. "Spike" is the SSL

@bishopblade 5 лет назад

Okay, I meant is the Brit 4kE an EMI emulation?

@Unders 5 лет назад

Slate doesn’t confirm the desks. But it’s likely an SSL 4000 E

@bishopblade 5 лет назад

Unders Okay thank you!

@bloodyproduce 5 лет назад

NLS is louder so it's not a fair comparisson..

@neondagger 5 лет назад

It's a good point. I compared and on averages NLS is 2dB higher. It sounds better to me (and it's what I use personally) but then when compensating VCC it actually sounds a lot smoother than NLS. Generally the same richness in bass, while in NLS higher frequences are dampened a bit and given that "tube rattle" warmth. Depends on what you're going for I guess but VCC was more modern/cleaned-up sounding to my ears.

@AtmLifted 5 лет назад

Im in hip hop and it seems The nls has more of a hollow god like sound that we love with future and money mam and more hence im grabbin nls and vcc has more of a oomf im here sound

@Unders 5 лет назад

Getting that "hollow" snare sound by driving NLS hard then backing off the gain. Did you catch my layering both together? thats a winner if a bit expensive.

@proverbalizer 4 года назад

"Tonal Balance Control" ? ....hmmm, let me investigate and learn something new in Logic...

@Unders 4 года назад

Tonal balance is a plugin from Izotope. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

@brentvalleywhag3477 5 лет назад

Do you think there’s any sonic overlap between the new TG mastering chain and the EMI portion of NLS?

@Unders 5 лет назад

No. But with the TGI1234 totally

@brentvalleywhag3477 5 лет назад

Unders Tg1234 overlaps with NLS or he mastering chain you mean?

@Unders 5 лет назад

Sorry I wasn’t clear TGI1234 and NLS give a really similar “feel”

@SaveManWoman 5 лет назад

Great video comparisons of apples to apples. Can I run as many plugs on MacBook Pro 2.6 2018 16gig memory?

@user-ed9hj8fm2t Месяц назад

both of them make sound harsher and more clinical

@rickneibauer1 Год назад

waves is quite a bit louder so... not a great comparison.

@Unders Год назад

Mentioned in the video, so not a great comment 🤷‍♂️

@Deenk2009 5 лет назад

¿?¿?¿ and the volume??¿?¿?

@Unders 5 лет назад

Difference was explained in the video

@themastroiannis 4 года назад

the SSLs are brick walls. soulless...

@Unders 4 года назад

You feel that way for both?

@Zakuti 4 года назад

This was not a good comparison. Whenever you switched to Waves the level jumped up making it impossible to judge. Comparisons should always stay at an equal level.

@Unders 4 года назад

An this was not a good comment, Comments should always have paid attention. if you listen to the video this is because i have match the plugin settings not the levels.

@Zakuti 4 года назад

Unders yes but unless you also match the levels, it won’t be a fair comparison because louder is perceived to be “better”. This can mislead many people, especially beginners which I assume isn’t your intention.

@Reggi_Sample Год назад

@@Understhis how you responded to comments😂😮 you know each interaction whether you like it or not is still supporting you

@eqh1593 5 лет назад

You gotta level match or this is totally pointless.. 80% of normal people will think the louder one is "better" cause they dunno any better

@Unders 5 лет назад

I disagree on your "this is totally pointless" First off the dip in level you hear is the plugin switching then they are very subtly different around 1.5dB This is a matching of the settings. As stated. But thanks for your input. Oh and the fact i addressed this in the video seems to have passed you by but ok :)