Wayne Gretzky: Mario Lemieux is a better scorer than I 

Ovie is the best pure goal scorer of all time imo.

​@@ili-samiam-ili3515 Quite possibly. Although keep in mind that Gretzky and Lemieux were just as happy to pass and they were to score. You can't really say the same about Ovie. Gretzky and Lemieux put up their goal scoring numbers without fixating on just goal scoring.

@@taekwondotime I think given a full career Bossy would've been considered the best goal scorer of all time. Just super damn consistent.

@@ili-samiam-ili3515 Who knows? The sport exists for this very reason: endless debate.

Both Legends. I'm amazed how Mario would cover so much distance touch the puck 4 times . The 4th touch was getting the goal.

He's a "good canadian kid" man

Nah it was the truth

Yes he is a very humble man . His father Walter taught him to be grateful and be respectful as a young man growing up . The entre family is down to earth and live a normal life outside of the limelight

His daughter, on the other hand...

Both great. I was an oiler fan as a kid in the 80's but I loved watching the Penguins cause of Mario and Jaromir Jagr. I watched the Kings sometimes because of Luke. Good times.

And you got clowns today trying to destroy their legacy on RU-vid 🤦

I can think of at least one exception...

NBA super stars are very humble and kind too!

yes he was

both were so wonderful hockey players Gretzky so humble man again here go canada go !

@Thou Swell Nah Wayne couldn't do what Mario did on ice

@Thou Swell This never happened to Mario lol ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qkUSRp2LMcI.html

Slovensko Svet Lemieux was no illusion...😜

I always found it unbelievable how he could be a 70-goal scorer on a last place team. He WAS the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Kind of like how Ali wasn't a power puncher but had just enough to put a guy down.

That's a good comparison.

Wayne didn't need a powerful shot. He was so smart and spotted the openings

David Huynh So wrong! Use your eyes! Mario and Wayne were SOOOOOO much better than guys like Crosby! Even guys like Mogilny, Bure and Selanne would dominate today's scoring charts!

A bit of an exaggeration...The puck protection ability of Crosby alone would be nearly impossible to counter in the 1980s...Crosby was on pace for 66 goals in 2012 before his concussion...Shooting on guys like Mike Vernon..I think he could have got another 30....

yea his ppg would have plummeted like waynes dropped from 2.6 ppg to 1.92 b/c he played 20 years stop dreaming that mario would maintain his ppg avg in his late 30's father time catches up with evryone

except he didn't say anything other than imagine if he wasn't injured. he missed 36% of the possible games that he could have played in. That could mean a lot more points for Super Mario. Considering his career ppg avg is 1.88, it would be reasonable to assume that he would match that. Even if he played another 150 games, which would mean that he would miss about 25% of his game, still more than the avg player, and he kept his per game avg of 1.88, he could have broke 2000pts.

Rob Brown - drafted in the 4th round, 67th overall. Bob Errey - drafted in the 1st round, 15th overall. Jari Kurri - drafted in the 4th round, 69th overall. Glenn Anderson - drafted in the 4th round, 69th overall. Gretzky scored 92 goals in his third season with fourth rounders around him. Those 4th rounders on Edmonton weren't hot shot prospects, they just happened to developed from playing with Gretzky. Lemieux came into the league with two 50 goal scorers in the lineup, and meanwhile Gretzky came into the league with a lineup which had nobody that did anything notable prior to the 79-80 season but Gretzky still managed to tie for the league lead in points and win the Hart.

What does draft status have to do with anything? By your logic, Ryan Leaf was a great NFL QB because of his draft status. Kurri and Anderson were obviously better players than Brown and Errey. I wouldn't argue someone saying Gretzky is the best of all time, but NO ONE questions that Lemieux is the most physically gifted and dominant hockey player of all time. Paul Coffey (who obviously had played with both) has said the same. All we can do with Lemieux is play the "what if" game. In 92-93 he was finally physically healthy and on pace for a 230 point season, and got cancer of all things. Missed 20+ games and STILL won the scoring title by a healthy margin.

then u realized wayne scored 1700 points in 200 fewer games

I grew up with uncle's whom are islanders fans. So they would love to rub it in when they beat the Oilers. Back then I, like most idolized Wayne. And then that 87 Canada Cup. I became a lifelong fan of Mario and the Pens. Back then we didn't get many games on tv, but I think the Canada cup games were all televised. I was 12, it made a massive impact on me. So much my family and I traveled to Pittsburgh twice to watch them play in the 90s. That's like a two day drive from Northern Ontario. Such great memories

percussion jamz awesome story

Can we see the letter and jersey, such great memorabilia, I would absolutely ask for Gretzky's too

Could not agree more! He is acknowledged globally as the best hockey player Ever, yet he is so down to earth. Gretzky and nowadays LeBron James are such class acts. Both treat the lowest paid arena worker with the same about of respect that they treat their teammates.

He is the greatest treasure hockey has ever received.

Chip Whitley Right! I hit the eight while aiming for the nine. 😉

"50 in 39" he actually scored a goal in ONLY 28 of those and set the bar at a 51-game point streak. I respect the guy but I am not one to overhype his performance. Not taking anything away but he did have great linemates. But I was born twelve years later so I wouldn't know.

Chip Whitley LOL. Agreed....

Don't forget his torrid pace in 2002-03, where he racked up 91 points in only 67 games at age 37, and would damn sure have won the Art Ross from Peter Forsberg had he played the remaining games. May have even gotten 120 points.

@Hippy(Bboomer) If goalies butterflied like they did in Mario's era, Wayne doesn't have at least half of the points he accrued. If the 80s was clutch and grab era instead of the 90s, Mario holds every scoring record imaginable. What if's are certainly fun.

@@cmahammer That's actually a very good point about the butterflying. All the goalies played stand-up in the 80's.

he said because mario passed the puck back to him on a 2 on 1 so he was giving him confidence and saying shoot the puck. Sorry but theres to many if's with mario if 99 didnt get hit by suter if he didnt get traded if he played with jagr if he played on the same line as messier.

@@kidpoker9408 There are too many ifs, but it's still a worthwhile conversation to have. It's because there are so many ifs that makes it an important debate. It just proves that there is no clear cut answer, IMO.

@@lastlaff2777 how many points does 66 have how many assists does 99 have its pretty clear cut to most

Cherry picking. If you're going to say that then Mike Bossy is the best "PER GAME" goal scorer. Followed by Cy Denneny. Yeah...I don't know who he is either. Early 1900's apparently. But both of them have higher goals per game than Mario. Sorry....you can't make that argument. Well...you can, but then you'll have to admit Mario is not the best. Wayne was the best goal scorer in league history. Period. Nobody has more over a season, and nobody has more over a career. That's all that matters.

Uhhh...that's cherry picking.... Do you not understand basic math? www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-players-all-time-goals-per-game-leaders.html "Have fun".... lol...

cursedlemon If you can't see how cherry picking fucking 10 year blocks is illogical then it's you who needs help.

cursedlemon So fucking what? I'm not saying Bossy is the greatest goal scorer either dumbass. Judging a career by confining it to 10 years is NOT fucking logical.

cursedlemon nope...you're comprehension is shit. You....66 is the greatest ever because he has the most "PER GAME". Me...by YOUR FUCKED UP logic then it would be Mike Bossy. (this is where you were too stupid to understand my point...I didn't realize I had to fucking dumb it down so much for you) You: _posts some stupid fucking message board based on 10 year average as your proof_ Thus moving the goal posts to suit your argument. CHERRY PICKING. Me: called your dumb ass out on it. Stupid cunt.

In this case it's true though. Gretzky was a better all around player and made everyone around him better. Mario was a wrecking ball that would knock you down, take the puck and score.

You can't rule out Bobby Orr. And all three of them say Gordie Howe was the best all round player ever.

@@benstolz6503 Thanks for sharing your opinion. Nicely described. Bobby is a special case for sure considering the fact he only played 10 seasons I believe. That's why I think Mario vs Gretzky debate is tough because Mario only played like 915 games total yet still put 1,723 points and people forget that a large chunk of those 915 games were being played while injured or sick or recovering from long layoffs...it's not like he was 100% healthy all 915 games. So that's why I think if he had played as many games Gretzky at full health, he'd challenge Gretzky's records...all of them except assists. There's no doubt Gretzky was the better playmaker and the greatest playmaker ever, but Mario was a great playmaker himself, too., but a far more dominant goal scorer. I like that you also included Brodeur and Roy / Hasek. Goaltenders don't get enough love. The thing that is hard to believe about Brodeur is how many games he played per season considering how difficult and hard it is on the body for a goaltender to play nearly all the games in a season....Brodeur came close to playing every single game in a season a couple of years. Nowadays we see goalies only playing around 60 games a year. Price only played more than 70 games a season once in his career and he was often regarded as the best goalie. Other best goalies like Bobrovsky and Vasilevskiy have never played 70 games in a single season once yet. Even Roy has never played 70 games or more in a season and Hasek has only done it once. Brodeur has done it 12 times! I definitely put Crosby in that list too and he's suffered a lot with injuries in his career and derailed what could have been one of the best statistical careers in history had he been healthy. People forget by the age of 24 he was already a cup champion, olympic gold, and world hockey gold...the trifecta and he wasn't even in his prime yet. That's how good he was until the concussions slowed him down and forced him to change his game (still managed to win 2 more cups) but was clearly a diminished Crosby than what he was about to become.

Lemieux was also a freak of nature, but a player his size to be a quick and agile as he was.

Needed protection his whole career and cried like a baby when he lost in 1993 lol

@Stutter of the House yeah cause he was surrounded by the Oilers most his career without them he didnt win another cup they won again without him though

He had inflated #'s cause he played in a lousy division

@@hugh2hoob668 lmao lame ass hater can tell he did ur franchise dirty

Came into.game 39.with.45 goals..Proceeded to score FIVE goals against the Flyers to end up.with 50 goals in 39 games UNREAL

@@17donhol Had 41 goals after 37 games. Scored 9 goals in two games.

Jagr?

@@theotherview1716 Ok. Easy response. Let's start naming more. Jari Kurri, Paul Coffey, Glenn Anderson. Gretz had them since the START OF HIS CAREER. Not to mention a good puck handling goalie in Grant Fuhr. Mario didn't get Jags until 6 years into the league. He put up 199pts in '89 without Jags or Ron Francis. He got Coffey in '87 and you saw how having a little talent around him, even on D, what it did to his production.

​@@JohnJJSchmidt BUT DAT FALLS BACK ON THE PITTSBURGH MANAGEMENT INDEED, EDMONTON DID A HELLUVA JOB AND ORCHESTRATING THEIR TEAM AROUND THE GREAT ONE..BUT BOTH ARE MY FAVORITE 2 IN MY TOP 5 INDEED

.....and Bobby Orr.

really add waynes goals for his first 15 years / by 15 do the same for mario and see where their at bossy was #1 because he played 10 seaons.

rest in peace Walter.

Amazing how unselfish Wayne and Mario were in the Canada Cup. Wayne obviously knew Mario could not be handled in go to situations and made sure he got the puck.

Imagine putting a line out on the ice where Dale Hawerchuck was the 3rd best forward.

LOL this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever seen on the internet. Your numbers are insane. That would mean Gretzky had over 300 empty net goals. Also you say the year before he was traded he was outplayed by Lemieux well the year of his trade he won the cup the Conn Smyth. Yes Lemieux won the scoring but Gretzky missed 16 games if that never happened gretzky wins again.

34.6 percent are you on crack so wayne scored 309 empty net goals thats how we know wayne is the goat when you make up this shit your gonna knock a guy who broke howes record after 10 seaons at the age of 28 your going to knock a guy who scored 163 points in a season beating mario by 20 points in assists alone a guy who has more assists than anyone has points. gretzky scored 22 career empty net goals my friend what percentage is that seriosuly get the f#$# $ out of here 34.6 percent

As much a think lemuiex would’ve been greater then Gretzky you just disrespecting Gretzky man lol

Look I love Lemieux and I personally think he might be the greatest, what your saying about Gretz is not entirely true. Gretzky wasn’t just known for his scoring, it was his expert playmaking and his unparalleled hockey sense. Stats do not measure the total value of a player. Wayne Gretzky was one of a kind

I don’t even remember typing this. Straight troll mode.

thats a real Canadian saskchemwash.

No

Dont waste your life on hypotheticals we will never know

Mario is my favourite player and the idea of who is better between him and Wayne based on potential is a web that is just too tough to spin. Mario’s health is apart of what it takes to be great. Wayne is the man. The beauty of Mario is the mystic of “what if” yet he still developed into, yet always hindered and still produced at an insane level. If Mario never came back to play again after his retirement he would have had the best points per game pace.

@@casecracked8618 I have said similar things about Pavel Bure. If ppl didnt injure his knee the clutch n grab the foot in crease rule goalie equipment the red line etc he would have beaten Gretzkys goal record But we will never know and I've learned to not waste too much on these things. But it is a blast to think about and debate a bit

Oh right because Ron Francis and jagr were pilons lol. Let's not forget rechi.. rick tochet... Mario had alot of great players around him

Mario Lemieux was a smoker until his cancer

Yes and he was the best 70s player lol 😂

Lou Zermonster totally looks like toews

not only does it look like Toews. it took me 3 interviews to realize it wasn't him. the resemblance is UNCANNY. i swear I still think it's Toews doing this interview. From the 1st sec i saw him, i told myself.. why is toews interviewing The Great One. i am happy i am not alone here.

Yesssss

lol

Had to replay just to see it

@Thou Swell No wayne had a better team he couldn't do what Mario could

@Thou Swell That iconic goal in 1987 doesn't happen without big guy that poke check was amazing

@Thou Swell Gretzky was older Mario hadn't even got started then

I grew watching 80s 90s hockey. Both are legends. Theyre both elite players we will never witness again Mcdavids the closest thing in todays nhl.

@@Kimchi203010 Haha no Crosby and Ovechkin are better than McOverrated

99 avg 80 goals over a 4 year stretch and achived all the goal milestones faster including 50 in 39 and 50 in 41

@@kidpoker9408 Yes but Gretzky was essentially healthy and had better teammates.

@@gymguy25 no gretzky wasnt healthy after 91 and mario had better line mates u dont share the ice with all your team mates

goals first 10 seasons 99 66 51 43 55 48 92 54 71 70 87 85 73 45 52 19 62 44 40 69 54 17 99 9 mario 1 wayne goal total . 99 637 goals mario 494 wayne 63.7 per season mario 49.4

@@kidpoker9408 In his first 8 seasons, Gretzky missed a total of 7 games, Lemieux had already missed that many before the end of his first. He (Gretzky) also had 6 teammates who went on the be HOFers (Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey, Fuhr and Lowe). Lemieux had 1 (Coffey). In 88-89, Recchi played 15 games and scored 2 pts, if you want to be generous, I guess you could count him. Yes, Gretzky hit the milestones first but early in their careers, the table was very tilted in his favor. From about 1988 on, Lemieux blew Gretzky out of the water in pts per game when he played.

Narcissus in to many beers...

Lol nice

Good one. Thx for the laugh

Yeah That’s how the Goat is about and how humble Gretzky was. Hell he doesn’t have to prove anything. Everybody knows wassup. Unlike your... feet... feats.... Narcissuck *roll eyes*

@@jimwade7680 Nacrcissus when you calling 66 better than 99 think before you speak

ummm no wayne avg 200 points a season over 6 years mario did it once

6 is greater than 1 that is a fact if's are if's and are based on exaggeration that a hockey player could maintain his standard of play later in his career and even if he did he's still 1000 points off of gretz pace to many points to over come

Did Wayne ever have a winger like Jagr? Be honest.

@@shooter1973 Wayne had Kurri (and Coffey on the back end) during his prime. Lemieux had Bob Errey and Robbie Brown.

really prime wayne avg 200 over 6 seasons

Actually, early in his career, opponents knew he was a great playmaker so they tried to force him to shoot, after he got 92 goals, they tried to force him to pass and he got 163 assists. Regardless of what his opponents did, he always found a way to rack up the points!

glenn allin *player

That's before Lemieux's career was finished, Gretzky now states Lemieux is the most skilled player he has ever played with. I remember when he mentioned Kent Nilsson, Bobby Hull had also praised Nilsson as the hardest shot he had ever seen.

And Gretzky considers Howe the GOAT

Nope

@@bongobongo985 YUP

@@That90sShow proof? non. 894 goals

@@bongobongo985 Google. Dummy

He was protected thats why lol

He's bigger than Claude Giroux, he wasn't small, he was 72 inches in height, Therion Fleury, Tyler Johnson and Johnny Gaudreau are 3 players that lack size.

I'm going to guess that I am quite a bit older than you. As great as both Mario and Gretzky were, for me, the GOAT will always be Bobby Orr.