We both love it WAY MORE than we thought! - Ruthless Mini Podcast with  

Actualy yes becausr my PC cant handle all the effects in mapping xd its a fun way to play poe without the need to reach the highest possible dmg number

Even people like you, whos work is playing poe, think that ruthless is too tedious. Greate success ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Ruthless removed everything that made PoE different from diablo and did it in a bad way. Finally there's mode for people to pretend they're playing something hard while in reality there's like 100x less choices to make, skillcap is lower because of it and most of the time you're just identifying stuff and pressing one button.

I haven't played Ruthless, but as someone who played the game way back before it's release and saw all of the updates as they were implemented throughout the years: while Ruthless sounds awful and like a major step in the wrong direction, I do believe the game has gotten a little out of control considering where it originally started. Potentially heavy-handed, but I'd say this is more in line with how the game could have been if they took a different approach to the development/implementation of core game mechanics from challenge leagues. I do think they should take a good look at what mechanics are too "strong" for this game mode and instead consider dialing back the power of certain mechanics, like crafting for example, instead of outright removing them entirely (unless I misunderstood, I believe that is what they did with certain features). This way it may not feel as scarce in its removal of game features, while still allowing players to make meaningful choices with their limited drops with what is still made available. Maybe do some kind of community poll on what league mechanics people think should NOT be removed for QOL purposes and character customization while still increasing the difficulty and showcasing this "vision" of the game with these watered down or earlier/reworked builds of league features. Not sure if that makes much sense at all but I think it could potentially be an idea.. Without first hand experience, all I understand is that everything is much more tedious.

@@John_Doe13 lowkey agree with this, but since its an optional game mode i think its fine. kind of gives the diablo 2 lovers a way to play diablo 2 without dealing with immunities (even with the new sunder charms), right? although i will say, if youre less reliant on gear to carry you through fights, you have to compensate with skill. knowledge is less impactful though, as there are less things to be knowledgeable in (removed league mechanics, simplified/tuned down atlas tree, slower gameplay with less mob types to identify and reduced pack sizes to deal with)

I kind of like nugi's vision of recombinators in, meta-mods out.

Amen

Hopefully the people will just leave instead of complaining that the game is too hard for them.

Yeah, like playing around with monster speed (chill, temp chains, anything that gives less speed), another with decoy totem ... these kind of stuff. I also would love party play with the Link skills

This is effectively what Lost Ark is, where support classes can actually heal and buff through doing their moves. I've always thought group "dungeon" content in an ARPG would be cool if done right, but what do I know.

Even as a casual if you have problems sustaining normal maps we have an issue

Map sustain hasn't been a problem for years if you're just playing the game. Run maps and you get enough maps. Crafting not really being a thing for casuals is definitely true though, and trade being the one real upgrade path aside from *really* lucky loot...

Great suggestion.

But ssf is a challenge league. It's supposed to be harder than the normal (trade league) poe experience. Poe at its core isn't a game where you should be able to drop everything. Some leagues you might drop insanely rare uniques, other leagues you might not. The game isn't and shouldn't be balanced around ssf.

The game would be better for all players if it was balanced around SSF, rather than balancing trade like a stock market simulator.

​@@tsunamie1015 so you a trade guy, thats totally fine .I don´t think ssf and trade have to have same mechanic, As you said, how hard the game is varies, so why the dogma for ssf ? Ok it started as a side prodject, but hope rember right that even Chris prefers it. I just hope they will slit it one day. dream ;D

@@judaszuechtung1085 I can totally see Chris liking ssf. In pretty much every interview i saw in which he talked about overall gameplay he always seemed to enjoy "fighting against the odds", and ssf is pretty much that. Ssf is about adapting to rng rather than picking a build and being able to roll with it regardless of your drops. If you haven't watched it yet i would highly recommend watching Chris' GDC talk about path of exiles design choices. In it he goes into the importance of item value which play into the whole rarity/ssf debate.

Everything should be doable as a ssf and you should be able to get perfect items ssf, the game should not have such economy at all, it should be fun foremost. I dont want to trade to have the best items i want to craft them or get them droped with enought time spend farming, and i want enought currency to be able to craft 1 really awesome item in 2-3 week period. Time spend on the game should be valuable, atm it is not.

And yes, more podcasts please :D

I think its because of essences. Their rewards doesn't scale with map tier, so while running lower tier maps you will run more maps per hour, therefore getting more essences (and being far easier). With changes to harvest, essences are one of the main crafting methods (if you can essence spam on a fractured base for 2x guaranteed mods). And since good essences aren't lvl locked, T1 maps are good to farm upgrades for items that will be usable in uber bosses.

@@killerm5 Oh, thanks so much for the response, I knew that but I didn't think it was worth enough as for staying there instead of going to higher tier maps only because of the extra essences

@@josesalasblasco1689 I think for HC its even more worth because of the dangers of doing hard content (idk, I'm playing SC). For trade league at least, paying 2c for the map craft of +2 essences was super good currency per map with little atlas passive tree. A total of like 3-4 essences monsters guaranteed, most of them duplicating. You probably get like 10-20c out of each map just in essences (early in the league). And the chance to duplicate a touched mob XD

@@killerm5 Oh, I see. Didn't play last league so I didn't see the 2c essence craft. Makes sense then :D

I didnt though, i had like 30+ maps left after doing 162 maps and they didnt even implement Kitava dropping map yet (second wave). Didnt have Kirac nodes either.

That's how it's been for me, 40/40 in 2 weeks and feel like there's nothing left to do.

nah crafting bench allow crafting resist on gear which cost transmutes which are quite plenty even in ruthless, its the alch, chaos and regals that are very short on supply. And that craft is already too convenient unless they change it to alch instead but they wont cos it will most likely affect other modes.

That doesn't sound like something they would ever do

But that makes the game easier. The point is to be hard. If the game modes not for you it's not for you.

The core drop system should have been loot 2.0, as were the talismans where they were good, but that went against "The Vision"

this is a very fair point honestly, it does help it stand out from other games in the genre

POE has the best speed, and mob density, so its sad to see the dev say it was a mistake the game ever got this fun and they want to dial it back.

@@firebat36 I actually like it a lot more when zoom-zoom aren' t as prevalent as it is now (nobody can see anything on the screen especially in party-play) where no one rush into maps and beating Merciless Dominus was the endgoal. It is player' s knowledge that made the game goes faster, not the developers. That' s how GGG could not dial it back, no matter how hard they try, so they made this mode. In all honesty, the way these two described PoE without movement skills, it sound like playing Diablo II.

Melee has a ton of problems in the base game. Playing melee in POE is rough unless you play a "melee" skill like cyclone of VLS.

@@firebat36 the irony is that melee skills in poe are ranged skills with "melee" tag.

@@firebat36 I hear that. Dual strike has been my favorite skill for many years, so I definitely know what you mean.

he's referring to people having to use a weapon just becaue it has high attack speed instead of one that would fit your build better

@@myzuk9989 I guess I haven't done this much, not even before they nerfed the hammer that was good for it.

Sometimes I wonder if we're just hearing The Vision's voice and nothing more

@@KairoStark Imagine complain about speed, drop rate and stuff to say. Ruthless is good when its slow and 0 drop. Idk

@@fr0zeNstriKe i mean... they are nolifers that play 10 fucking hour a day, even more on league launch; what would you expect from them? You know what is funny? That none of those streamers will start playing 100% on ruthless because making fun content is their job and if they decide to play something boring they lose their fanbase and end up basically unemployed. They like to talk shit about the normal drop and say they rutless is great but not even them are willing to play that garbage of a league. They are like the cryptobro trying to convince you to spend all your money on NFT when they dont actually do it.

@@mesv3567 Those who gonna play ruthless LS start are on crack

@@fr0zeNstriKe They know they cant really push against The Vision.

/s

It was actually a blast. They get so excited for even a rare item during leveling. So many more decisions to make and deciding if something is an upgrade, side grade, or a downgrade that is still worth taking.

I barely use movement skills at all, its a weakness in my play style. But i do recognize boss mechanics.

Because why should the game feel harder if you can just zip past any danger? The point of ruthless is to slow things down and make everything matter more. Being able to just skip everything defeats that purpose.

Considering that they are some of the best HC racers they were really slow compared to their normal runs

@@-_-5470 but were they ruthlessly slow?

@@RippDrive Ruthless just isnt ruthless enough, Nerf movespeed, make dodging attacks really skill based.

You can play without using it. Congrats, the game is now better for you

​@@wtfwasthat16 Now change log out macro with the general game difficulty debate. "You can make the game harder by restricting yourself. Congrats, the game is now better for you." But instead there is a whole new game option called ruthless (which is fine) and they still enable log out macro. Ruthless is not the term i would use for that.

@@Uelibertiga How does a macro, that you don't have to use, effect your gameplay? You can choose not to use it. You can also menu fast, or alt f4, power your PC down etc Game is what you make it, stop asking a company to hold your hand in crafting a personalized experience. You can even play SSF or HC style rules while in trade. You are never restricted to make your own decisions to have fun

@@wtfwasthat16 It affects my gameplay by balancing monster encounters around it existing. I am sure we would have a way better balance in fights when there was not a panic escape button.

@@Uelibertiga I have never used a logout macro, but to think monsters are balanced around that is insane. The option is there and allowed by GGG, but to think they crafted archnemesis thinking "this is okay because of a macro" is wild. 2 things can be true at the same time 1. Monster arch nemesis combo can be overtured and was a failed launch 2. Macro exist in the game as an option you can use

That's your thought well you'll probably also like they've been trying to fix the game because of other reasons for the past two years while they have made it completely clear that it's movement skills that are ruining the game and they can't take it out

Maybe not for you

Dude i fucking love the movement skills, to me they are one of the best parts of the game.

movement is very annoying, there is nothing special or interesting about it anyways

@@thomasrad5202 dude the movement skills is what make the game going, imo without them the game get's really cluncky and very very slow.

it was a bit disrespectful

@@yoyodragons I love Zizaran content a lot, I am just giving honest critique :)

@@JohanCardel no, it was disrespectful of ziz to play, while talking to nugi

@@TheDankFarmer not talking about liking but appreciating. something that has no practical use until you have a few stacks of.. what is there to appreciate and how? Oh nice, when I find 49 more of these, I can use them for a little bit. If you find yourself baffled constantly, maybe you're the potato.

@@markototev if you actually watched the gameplay you could see that some maps cost alteration orbs, so there's a use for it. I guess some other items can cost alts too. If you transmute your map to have a mod that bricks it for you, you can have a a chance at rerolling it. I can keep going forever.

@@laszloszabados5884 I missed that part (was mostly listening the audio only while working), thank you for pointing it out.

Wouldn't delete it but not just make it available for everyone from basically the start of the game

the removal of movement skills give different gameplay and feel of danger, the lack of mobility creates difference in choosing classes. Witch is good. Melee should use leap slams not allwayse flame dash. There should be a big penalty for marauder using int skills and atm in poe there isnt. Also the lack of mobility will create different meta.

Go dodge a flicker strike lol

Then game will change overall and for everyone to something that is closer to stuff that was long ago. Basically reverting years of constant league content layering. Constant powercreep also isn't healthy btw. Sometimes ends must be cut down, or design will start crumbling on itself, like Yu-Gi-Oh card power level grew with time. For example, i can appreciate people going for min-max and zoomies in SC. But i also thinks that spirit of game actually suffers from this. Because in the end you stop caring about anything except speed and samey grind. Granted, Ruthless assumes no easy league content, as it would make things too casual. Also, don't forget it is just a side project, made in devs own free time, so you should not worry.

please just shut up, you know this isnt the case

Didn't watch the video did you?

@@Zizaran most of it, but y’all should know better than to praise this trash mode at all with the way PoE has been going the last couple years. Chris Wilson wants PoE to be Ruthless mode, and having influencers like you guys giving it praise saying “this is so much better than I thought it would be! Yes less items is amazing in trade, no movement skills is genius, no crafting bench and no support gem access is THE BEST” will be used in talks as justification to nerf/remove even more stuff from the core game. With this kind of feedback you end up with a game where Nugiyen fights an archnemesis mob for 10 minutes and all that drops is a fencer helm.

I mean ruthless exists no? I think the game is better with a movement skill.

Bring back attack snapshotting and desync, game is EZ mode without those original features.

bad news, friend This is the new PoE. You're going to see, eventually, that these takes are pushed to make us believe that they are "popular" so that GGG has an excuse to do it.

@@KairoStark But it is not worth it for them financially if they lose all of their player base due to some narrow minded patches. Still no idea why they do what they do. I know they are not a cash-grab company, but this way, if they continue giving a crap on the general opinion they will get some crap on themselves. We all know that their patches are crap and not popular choices at all, nobody wants them. We want new league mechanics to explore, new items to build better and faster characters. Yes you sometimes have to pull the brakes, so that people don't clear out your content in 2 hours, but a league is at least 2-4 weeks for even the most expert players in this state of the game. I simply can not understand why do they want to make their game less fun for the general audience. Thank you for reading.

Players like us had too much fun and stopped playing after 2 days, actually.

@@nokedli4631 Chris Wilson has all the money he will ever need for his MTG collection, so he can make the game more to his vision as he is no longer as desperate for an ever increasing pile of money. He has his bag, killing the game might cost him his job, but he wont ever lose his money.