I definitely want a chef vs ai challenge. Same rules - draw the ingredients from cups, but the normals follow the AI and the chef makes what appeals to them.
I think a fun competition would be choosing the ingredients randomly as they did, then have one normal make the AI recipe & another chef or normal use the same ingredients, but come up with their own recipe, then compare the two.
they pick the ingredients, and make two dishes, one of their own thinking, THEN, one by AI, and compare the two to see if the AI can beat normals or chefs, can make two videos out of it, one normals, another chefs, easy enough and I'd love to see both!
When Ben said AI did something else that perhaps a chef would with those ingredients, I've thought that in later part of the video we're going to see the chefs recipe from the same ingredients.
Barry's garlic chopping was impressive today!! Also I'd love to see the chefs experiment with that weird set of ingredients and see if they can make something good
Would love to see a redo with normal ingredient combos. Could be the perfect thing for coming up with something with the random stuff in the fridge that we usually have.
Doubt they'd do that. They'd basically show off a competitor to their App. Their entire stick is to create a bunch of meals with easy ingredients that you buy and then use up by the end of the week.
I would love to see this compared to a chef recipe - chat GPT versus a professional chef. Also, if you do this again, I think you should tell chat GPT what items you have in your store cupboard, or tell it that they can use basic pantry ingredients. I think that might help it come up with more rounded recipes.
I was just going to comment the same thing, the next step would be giving a chef and the chat GPT the same ingredients and see what they come up with. Like the addition of listing the pantry ingredients.
These recipes are a massive improvement compared to when How to Cook That asked ChatGPT to write a baking recipe...it was a very strange cake, with lots of random extra steps and ingredients it wanted prepped, but then didn't call for.
I think it would be brilliant to do a Chef vs Normal vs AI recipe showdown where all 3 are given the same 4 ingredients that then are developed into a recipe for a single dish that is then judged. Might even be fun to then have someone make all 3 dishes based on the recipes.
Given ingredients to be used, chef doing own version, normal doing own version, and normal doing AI-generated recipe, with another normal tasting and guessing which is which.
I can see this as an occasional series. Yes. Maybe whenever there is an update to ChatGPT or to test out the various alternative AIs. Maybe one of them is better at recipes than another? 🤷♀ Could be interesting to find out.
blind ingredient challenge? get each normal and Ben to pick an ingredient at random, with no input as to whether they're making a dessert / main, and whetehr the otehrs have already chosen a dairy / protein etc.
I think these two recipes actually do a great job of highlighting how the way ChatGPT (at least this version) 'thinks', and how it can succeed against AND fail against a more human soliving process. As some have derisively labeled it, it's not that ChatGPT is truly "thinking" about these options. What it's doing is, functionally, a kind of self-checking predictive text: it's taking the components you give it, and plugging them into systems it's seen before in the most direct line it can. This is why it went "cheese dip + cheesecake": it doesn't have the mental cohesion to say "This very savory dip mix isn't going to mesh well with a sweet crust", it just knows "Pouring a mass of dairy and other ingredients into a crust is a thing that I have seen." Whereas a chef can solve the problem not by "what is the shortest angle through these points", but by finding a third point that more easily/cohesively connects the ingredients, a la the flavor triangle. (ie, "Crab and blue-cheese stuffed mushrooms with a balsamic-digestive crumb". or "Crab, Caramellized Onion, and Blue Cheese Quiche with Digestive crust")
@@BillOweninOttawa Not really, the problem is that if there are no new things to look at because all of the people who made the recipes that the algorithm are unemployed then it can't make anything new. The software isn't solving any problems or being creative in a classic sense its just looking through a massive library to find anything similar to the situation on hand. In short it's a tool that need to have new ideas fed into it to stay relevant and doesn't create new ideas as much as it averages old views.
@Bill Owen I'm not approaching the idea in terms of denial, though in retrospect, I forgot to bring up the success of the process, so I can see how I could have come off as very pooh-poohing. That streamlined approach to solving the problem WORKS in a lot of cases: there's a lot of mental struggles where people overthink how to make an idea work, because their brains have put the relevant ideas in unhelpful categories. The lettuce cups are a good example of the AI cutting through such a conflict, by just treating the dark chocolate as a seasoning ingredient for the beef mince. I'm just noting that the current methodology doesn't have the rigor/cohesive analysis of cooking theory to "step away" from the ingredients. And I work retail. My job could 100% be replaced with a sufficiently advanced warehouse and a video call system.
And that is exactly why none of this is AI. Just because you've plugged recursion into an algorithm doesn't mean it's intelligence of any sort. But hey, gotta get those trendy, lying clickbait titles...
I’d love to see a video when you ask AI to create a shopping list for 1 person/2 people with a budget (say £20/£30 a week) and what dishes this would make. Think I could see it being really helpful this way in the same way that a meal subscription service would be. Such an interesting concept 👍🏼
There is one problem with this AI and people asking for things. This is a language AI. It most probably doesn't fact check. It is there to create most reliable language. It is not for solving problems. At least not a cooking kind (or any other technical, economical and so on). But it could be helpful to find out possible solutions to decyphering old languages, decrypting things etc.
@Richard Cranium 😁I guess i should answer with a quote like this: "We faced it and did not resist. The storm passed through us and around us. It's gone, but we remain." But i found the Ori to be more out of the box ;)
@richardcranium1776 Programming is just a language. A linguistics major would, like with any other language, need to learn programming languages in order to use them. Sure, some very low-level programming languages are very far off what we'd normally think of as a language, but they are nonetheless languages.
I'd be really interested in you guys trying this again with GPT-4. It just released a couple of days ago, but it can apparently reccormend recipes based on a photo of the ingredients in your fridge.
@@hunterpowers2568 GPT-4 is an AI model. ChatGPT uses GPT-3.5 (unless you pay 20$ for access to GPT-4). The image-recognition functionality isn't fully available to the public yet, but it will be soon.
I think a fun idea would be to have the 3 normals create dishes with the same ingredients list, but one of them has to use an AI generated recipe, then the chefs have to try to guess which recipe was the AI generated one.
Love the concept, more of these please! Btw, if you don’t like the first option it gives you you can ask for another and another and another until you get a recipe that looks good. Also, to avoid waste, try giving the AI specific quantities to work with when asking for a recipe
That was a fun idea! You could also do a pass it on starting with Ben. The normals have to give Chat-GPT input on what they perceive has been done and ask what they should continue to do with it the next ten minutes to make a full meal in the left time of X minutes
Really interesting video with mixed results and I love that you still include things that don't go brilliantly. My learning with ai and chat gpt is that it's all about the prompts you put in and that you can then focus in on certain parts of the response to get more info so you could deffo explore this area further.
@@jessiep2471 sadly its just a random. It mightve been a little eerie but it wouldve been neat, seeing as how chatgpt can search for articles or content with chatgpt in it. Its not a far fetch for someone to ask it to run a code for a bot to post on content involving itself.
Ben’s point about package sizes is really insightful. I have a recipe that I like that uses 1 1/4 packages of one ingredient, so I have to buy two packages and I have 3/4 of a package left over. This goes in the freezer and I try (and often fail) to remember that it’s there the next time I make the recipe.
Ah but there's where the AI could help I think. When you plan to make that recipe, you could ask the AI what you could do with the leftover ingredients or any other odds and ends you have in your fridge/pantry. Might even be able to specify that you have a limited quantity of each ingredient and you want to use them up.
I think AI has a lot of potential in the future for combining ingredients you love or have but cooking them with a certain dietary requirement or nutrition in mind. For possibly a newly diagnosed illness whereby you have to cut something out or you have a friend coming to dinner that you want to cook for but are unfamiliar with how to cook a meal that they can eat. Ie. a diabetic friendly meal with cheese and pepper, or a vegan meal but allergic to mushrooms and onion
I have to say that the type of cheese and the type of crab likely mattered a lot on that last recipe, if you try this again try telling it the proper name of the ingredients you have, the program is pretty good at giving more precise instructions based off how much info you give it. You can even potentially tell it to “avoid food waste” and it will try to use average package sizes for what you told it you got.
@@thomgizziz nope, i just know how they coded this portion of it, and have done a lot of testing, and, if you tell it a VERY specific criteria with Very exact terms and you cover EVERY point of “outflow” that you van foresee, it actually does a not half bad job. The people who fail to get good results from it are those that do not understand how the machine parses the statements, or, does not think of edgecase argument confusions die to language quirks We see as obvious but the system does not. Well, that, or you just set parameters wrong…
I think it's important to talk about how chattGPT can not "create" recipes where it consideres how things work together or what the point of a recipe is. So discussing how it "tried to combine ingredients" or "adapt to sizes" isn't functional. It just guesses words based on how they are normally combined. The difference is subtle but very important in the context because otherwise we easily belive that it is doing something it isn't.
What is lacking is a method where feedback can be provided when something doesn't quite work out. Education and research will determine that a tomato is a fruit. It takes a human to realize that tomatoes don't belong in the fruit salad.
@@legatelaurie I'm not that well versed on GPT4, but assuming it is a language model. It has the same issue. It does not reason. It can not make logical conclusions. It simply predicts text in a very complex way. Without previous writings on the pairing of blue cheese and crab (or anything else) it simply guesses because well, it's not a general AI, its a language model. The guess is not because chattGPT thinks the recipe works. It is simply because those words might go together.
@@kevincrosby1760 this misses my point eniterly. ChattGTP doesn't understand what belongs in a salad. It knows what words are usually associated with salad. But it can't reason. Ps. You can absolutely have tomato in a fruit salad, it is quite nice with the right fruits. Ps2. Fruit is a biological term, vegetable is a cooking term. A tomato is both.
@@SimonAndersson2 I agree that it cannot think, but it emulates it very well, to a point that I think it can "reason" - at least in the way most would define it. You can give GPT4 (and ChatGPT to a lesser extent) novel semantic problems and it will often reason correctly. I do think next word prediction can, and has, get a long way toward intelligence.
Since I would never have bleu cheese in my fridge, that would never be a problem. I can see this being a big help for someone like me who has a basic catalog of what I cook each week. It's not that I can't cook, I have just fallen into a slump of the same thing over and over.
I think I would've tried crab cakes, with just a little blue cheese, and seasoned biscuit/panko/cracker crumb for that second one. The first one was pretty much what I thought of right away too. This would make a great series.
I think a more common use case would be to tell the AI what you have in total, and it can drop things, rather than force it to use stuff, but allow it to add anything. If what you have is what you have, possibly the shops are even closed or you don't have time to go out and buy additional stuff, what you want is to get a dish out of any selection of the things in your pantry. But unless something is about to go of, you don't really need to force it to use something, if it doesn't fit with other ingredients.
Definitely think it would be a good idea to try something with more complimentary ingredients. It might be cool to try the normals picking an ingredient they don't normally pick at the grocery store and have the AI give them some recipes to inspire them.
It would be really cool to see you get AI to make a meal pack. “Create three meals for two people that uses 100% of the following ingredients, shared through the recipes”
I did this about a month ago and asked it to give me a brownie recipe with only using cocoa powder and no real chocolate. I then asked it to convert it to metric weight measurements as it originally gave it in tbsp and cups. I then asked it to give me a version of this brownie recipe that is a little more cakey as opposed to fudgy. I asked if it had purely just copied a recipe from it's database and gave it to me and had a conversation with it about how it went about deciding how to give me the recipe. It was honestly pretty unreal. Also. They were fantastic brownies.
Late night for Baz?😂 Or is he worried that him and his photography career are in danger of replacement by the robot overlords?! I'm sure that robots can learn to communicate at the level of fluency as he speaks, so watch out, bud!
I think you should make ChatGPT face off vs Ben and Kush with some random ingredients. Or a big list of more common ingredients and then a few from the misc category.
I liked that. I would try to give it a prompt to choose one from each category, and then define each category (such as proteins, veggies, dairy, etc.) to see what kind of recipes it can come up with when given a choice of multiple ingredients.
I just went to the site, signed up, and threw some ingredients at it, and in a second, I had a complete recipe. This is awesome. So I then told it wanted to make it, and it gave me a recipe for that dish. I like this.
Small change that would probably have made the biscuits work: blitz them up salt and parsley, fry in sesame oil mixed with chili oil to help tamp down on the sweetness without losing it entirely. Use as a crumb topping sprinkled over the baked dip instead of as a crust, dip with baguette chips. Dip itself probably needed adjustment on the seasoning too, but I'd need to actually taste it to get a feel for what flavors I'd want to add. Probably like 1/8 tsp of cayenne or maybe 1-2 tsp of old bay to bring the crab out a little more to the front, maybe a little sour cream added to play nice with the blue cheese and make the cheesy funk less of a kick in the teeth, since blue cheese suffers from that a bit when used in volume straight.
I’d really like to see you do this again, but from either the chef’s or normal’s fridges. I’m not completely sure about the AI-generated recipes, but I guess it all depends on what ingredients you give it..
Would love to this concept in a competition. Same ingredients for two people but seeing what AI comes up for each person and who has the winning recipe!
In tears here. It's a lot of fun seeing ChatGPT used for tasks it's absolutely not fit to handle. It's a language model, great for language tasks. There's no concept of factual knowledge in it, it just predicts what word comes next.
I would love to see a battle format Chef vs. AI: chef comes up with recipe and makes it, AI comes up with recipe and normals make it - and for a twist, switch the two around, let the chef make the AI recipe and the normals make the one a chef came up with and allow modifications within a reasonable limit (use of additional store-board items e.g., use different technique if you see fit etc.). When using an AI always keep in mind, it knows exactly what you tell it,so if you want to reduce food waste, give it the packet size of food when it seems logical (e.g. for the beef, not so much the sauce) and/or tell it to use up all fresh ingredients. You also need to tell it if it's allowed to use cupboard/store-board staples - not sure how well it works if you tell it this that broad but: Might be worth a try for another video. ;) Love you guys, keep up the great work you do!
This was a really interesting concept, and would love to see more. Just maybe with some ingredients that work a little better together, as was mentioned.
I think a second episode is in order where the normals pick 4 ingrediants each and have to cook a meal with what ChatGPT gives them. It can make decent drinks if How To Drink is any indication so I don't see a problem with it doing non-randomized food. Perhaps ask it to come up with a recipe "in the style of" something else.
That was incredible. I have so many ideas: 1. ChatGPT pass it on where only one line at a time is revealed as each person completes it. 2. ChatGPT pokerface to come up with horrifying recipes 3. ChatGPT beat the chef (normal follows a chatGPT recipe to see if they can beat a chef with high quality ingredients)
When ordering Peking duck, the set meals usually offer 1-3 "eats": the 1st being the ubiquitous slices of crispy skin with sauce and julienned green onion and cucumber wrapped in thin dough, the 2nd being a sauté of the diced leftover duck meat with vegetables and noodles crisps wrapped in iceberg lettuce, and the 3rd being a soup cooked with the bones of the duck. The first dish reminded me of the 2nd "eat" with a southeastern twist using the fish sauce mixture and the fresh vegetable garnish instead of incorporated into the protein, and then a second twist using dark chocolate as a flavoring to the protein. It's a neat recipe, though I would've personally blanched the onions to take out some of that bite.
Interesting experiment! I think AI can be useful in many ways, but an experience as human and as sensorial as eating, tasting, mixing flavours and textures could never be perfected by something that cannot experience it
@@benmcelwain5301 he had still experienced hearing once 😊 but sure, I guess a random AI combination of music (or flavours) could still happen to be a genius creation.
But that’s where the AI comes in. While it can’t experience the food or have preferences, humans can and can convey their opinions. It can then learn what works for people and what doesn’t. It essentially experiences these things through the people who help it learn. The more and better data it has, the closer it can get to something that would please most people.
[You are a renowned chef] create a recipe using minced beef,Lettuce,fish sauce and dark chocolate. As a renowned chef, I'm excited to create a unique recipe using the ingredients you've provided. I present to you a fusion dish that brings together bold flavors in a delightful way: Minced Beef Lettuce Wraps with Dark Chocolate & Fish Sauce Drizzle Ingredients: 1 lb minced beef 1 head of lettuce (Butter or Romaine lettuce preferred) 2 tablespoons vegetable oil 1/2 onion, finely chopped 2 cloves garlic, minced 1 tablespoon ginger, minced 2 tablespoons fish sauce 1 tablespoon soy sauce 1 tablespoon lime juice 1 teaspoon sugar 1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper flakes 1/4 cup fresh cilantro, chopped 1/4 cup fresh mint, chopped 1/4 cup roasted peanuts, chopped 2 ounces dark chocolate (70% cocoa or higher), finely chopped 2 tablespoons heavy cream Instructions: Heat the vegetable oil in a large skillet over medium heat. Add the onions, garlic, and ginger, and cook until fragrant and softened, about 2-3 minutes. Add the minced beef to the skillet and cook, breaking it into smaller pieces, until browned and cooked through. In a small bowl, combine the fish sauce, soy sauce, lime juice, sugar, and crushed red pepper flakes. Stir until the sugar is dissolved. Pour the sauce mixture into the skillet with the minced beef, stirring to combine. Cook for an additional 2-3 minutes, allowing the flavors to meld together. Remove from heat and let it cool slightly. Stir in the chopped cilantro and mint, and set aside. In a small saucepan, heat the heavy cream until it starts to simmer. Remove from heat and add the finely chopped dark chocolate. Let it sit for a minute, then stir until the chocolate is completely melted and smooth. To assemble the lettuce wraps, carefully separate the lettuce leaves, and wash and dry them. Place a spoonful of the minced beef mixture onto the center of each lettuce leaf. Drizzle the dark chocolate sauce over the minced beef mixture, and sprinkle with chopped peanuts. To eat, fold the lettuce leaves around the filling and enjoy! The combination of savory minced beef, aromatic herbs, and the bold flavors of fish sauce and dark chocolate creates a unique and memorable dish.
This is really fun to watch and can't wait to see whats next. Just some additional info ChatGPT is not an AI assistant like Siri or Google Home. ChatGPT is a language model that uses deep learning techniques to generate text based on statistical patterns learned from a large amount of text data up to 2021. It works by processing input text and predicting the most likely word to come next based on the patterns it has learned from its training data. It does this using a neural network architecture that has been trained on a large dataset of text. The model is capable of generating text that is grammatically correct and semantically coherent, and can even produce text that is similar in style and content to the input text it was trained on.
The problem with the ChatGPT that it is for text manipulation and taking text from the Internet. It can _fake_ doing other things like create a recipe but it ultimately isn't set up to comprehend cooking/food itself, so it just puts together some text that looks reasonable (because that's what it does) but at a closer glance may or may not be complete nonsense. So it is kind of like pulling random ingredient names out of cups, really - just a lot fancier.
It would be fun to have the AI generate a list of [arbitrary number] ingredients and use them in a mystery box, OR have it generate a list and then in a separate page ask it to generate recipes with those (then let whoever is cooking adjust things ever so slightly while still keeping in the spirit of the dish)
It would be neat to see a segment like the remote control challenges, where the competitors think they’re talking to a chef but actually the chef is just relaying to and from ChatGPT.
So I asked Chat about this video's concept. "As an AI language model, I am capable of generating recipes based on given ingredients. It can be a fun and creative way to come up with new and unexpected dishes. However, it's important to note that the recipes generated by AI may not always be perfect or practical, as they are created based on algorithms and patterns rather than personal taste and preferences. Using AI-generated recipes can be a starting point for experimentation and creativity, but it's always a good idea to taste and adjust the recipe according to your personal preferences. It's also important to keep food safety and nutritional considerations in mind when preparing and consuming any recipe. Overall, incorporating AI-generated recipes into your cooking can be a fun and interesting way to explore new flavors and ingredients, but it's important to use your own judgement and taste buds to ensure a delicious and satisfying outcome."
I see I'm not the only one who's been keeping a close eye on all of the updates to GPT, Bing, and what else OpenAI and Microsoft have coming down the pipe.
This is a great idea we teach food entrepreneurs and have chatgpt vids but the random ingredient selection idea is genius actually! This was great new fan thanks guys!
This ChatGPT looks like a great help for a Ultimate Battle between the normals, where the normals have to select the ingredients and the ChatGPT makes the recipe's for them to make. Or perhaps a Chef vs ChatGPT battle.
I feel like it would be cool to take the same random ingredients, have one person do an AI recipe, and then a chef tackle the same ingredients and have the others judge which was a cooler concept
AI is a dark and murky territory. Idk if I sound like the person who’s sceptical of any new technology like the Romantics in the Victorian Era. Happy Sunday to SortedFood HQ and the community.
I just this morning discovered the value of ChatGPT when developing recipes. It comes back with a recipe, and then I can start swapping out ingredients and changing yields. Within minutes I have a test recipe for a yield of 12 and a scaled up full recipe for a yield of 100... it kind of makes my job a little obsolete, but it's really handy
I love this type of video! I have done a similar thing with chatgpt if I have something that needs using up like shredded chicken or bananas. Always get good suggestions but I’ve never asked for a full blown recipe. I may have to try that!
The last recipe, the crab-blue cheese-mayonnaise concoction would certainly be something we would do in America, especially in the South or North East, or even in California (all places with crab). Even making it into a pie would make perfect sense with a savory crust. In fact in New Orleans years ago I had a smoke salmon cheesecake and I have personally made a crawfish cheesecake - both as a savory dish to have with cocktails. So really, this AI got it pretty darn right!
A of Ben’s observations about ChatGPT reminded me of one of my college professors. He always referred to computers as “quick idiots”, only able to do exactly what you tell them, but they do it very well.
I’d love to see more of these! Battle out having AI come up with something from random ingredients vs a chef coming up with something from the same ingredients vs a normie and see what everyone comes up with from the same funky list of ingredients & parameters.
I would love to see them do this again but with a side by side of the chefs talking about what they would do with these ingredients. Even if it wasn’t a cook side by side but just a post recorded chat to go along side it would be great
This was really fun :) FYI, GPT-4 is definitely better at this (though it's got the same backbone, Bing isn't quite as good). It's still not perfect. It's helpful to prompt it for things like quick or easy or kid friendly or gourmet or party or creative ... I use it to help come up with twists on things to make my kids more interested all the time. Sometimes I just tell it a few items like in this episode, sometimes I tell it a long list of what I have, that I have other basic ingredients, and so on. Usually when I give it enough items or don't ask it use everything, it will skip ingredients. But, gpt-4 still decided to go for it with all ingredients when I gave it the simple prompt "Create a recipe using crab, blue cheese, sesame oil and digestive biscuits" (Crab and Blue Cheese Stuffed Bites with a Sesame-Digestive Crust, which looks slightly better than the one suggested here but I'm not keen to try it). Anyway. I think it's not really there yet to be used blindly ... obviously, if someone isn't going to know better when it tries to use digestive biscuits in a crab dip. But it's already really fun and helpful :)
Us programmers have a saying "Garbage in, garbage out". Those ingredients would challenge the chefs, let alone the normals. Ai did pretty well for instantly providing a recipe.
I love the format. I would love to see Chef Ben go first and cook something with the chosen ingredients and then let the normals try to beat him with the AI recipe. See who does better as judged by the third normal person.
Loved this! Just started using chatGPT yesterday and never would have thought to use it to create recipes making use of things I already have on hand. I now have three recipes (2 mains and a dessert - kinda) for tomorrow. I don't know if it was intentional or not but I included a choice of ingredients in my 1st recipe, i.e., quinoa or lentils, and it used one choice - lentils - in my 1st recipe and the other option - quinoa- in the 2nd recipe that I'd asked for, which was simply for a main dish that used kefir - I didn't list any other ingredients and it provided a recipe for a kefir marinated grilled chicken breast along with a quinoa salad. I love the fact that it created a 2nd recipe using an ingredient I'd mentioned in my previous recipe request.
