We disagree with Hoka - Mach 6 cut in half & reviewed 

yep helps me decide which shoes to get.

Agree, they have always gone above and beyond in show reviews!

We would love to, but we haven't found a good way to do it. Ideas?

@@RunRepeatcom dropping steel ball and see how high it bounces? I think it would be relatively good enough

I have 200 miles on my pair with almost no wear there as a midfoot striker. It's fairly soft back there, but probably not the best choice for heel strikers.

Yes, you are correct. They are testing heal drop incorrectly.

But people have different weights!

No. You don't measure while wearing the shoe. Everyone's weight is different. The only that maybe should be changed is whether or not they should stick to the World Athletics standard and having an additional drop measurement right that measures before the start of the rocker.

@@faocisco yes, you’re absolutely right and they also have different running gates that compress the shoe in different ways. It makes this stuff very complex and I commend this website for at least trying to come up with some type of standard. I just listened to a bunch of doctors talking about this stuff where once your bodyweight comes down in the shoe it could compress it to the point where it becomes a zero drop before it starts to rebound. I don’t want anybody to think that I’m digging on this website because they’re great but there’s also a lot of things to consider that are not discussed.

@@beauremaly8846 That's what I'm saying 👍

It makes it faster

@@aSkibidRunner nah

@@pisderata it literally does increase running economy

Love it!

Yeah, it's a question of technicality vs. substance. The official guideline seems to ignore rocker geometry, allowing manufacturers to innovate wildly with midsole shapes while remaining "legal." Personally, I'm just doing this for fun & health. I don't book flights & hotels to join races. I do want to know a shoe's heel drop because it can feel different. I appreciate RunRepeat for verifying the measurements, as they give us a number to compare to other shoes. But a number might not be enough to give the whole picture of the experience.

@@rogerx9298❤️

@@rogerx9298 While most of the measurements RR gives are awesome, I'd argue drop leaves much to be desired. Shoes are designed around a last, a generalized foot shape, and like feet that varies from one design to another. In particular the centerpoint for the heel and ball can be a bit different from one to another. Furthermore, tweaks to the shoe design beyond the last (ie. heel cup, how much space in the forefoot) will further alter how much space there is fore/aft of the foot after the last is placed in the shoe, which makes taking precise measurements based on the relative length of the shoe arbitrary. The WA is a spec to regulate race shoes, it shouldn't be taken as anything more than that. Isn't it just a tad odd that these cut in half measurements are often very off from spec? What is the incentive for manufacturers to dupe customers about something like drop?

@@brandall101 I agree the number isn't an accurate depiction. If they're going to measure 75% anyway, why not add measurements from 0% all the way to 100%? But then in addition to the stack thickness, the rocker and heel bevel elevates part of the shoe off the ground. Even the softness of the cushion varies at different parts of the shoe. In the end, I just want to know how it feels to run with the shoe. How different is it to land on the heel compared to midfoot or forefoot? A single number couldn't possibly describe the experience, and already I've seen it referenced in other videos without context. In all fairness RR did describe the experience as being different from the number. But the number is the one that gets referenced, not the description. I look at heel drop the way I look at shoe size. One shoe's Size 10 is not the same as another shoe's Size 10. It's the number the manufacturer chose for the shoe. Its not necessarily how I would experience it, but it is a number I can look at as an estimate.

@@rogerx9298 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that manufacturers are often quite accurate and above board about drop, but for reasons above, testers aren't going to be able to accurately verify that (aside from averaging a range, that may normalize things some). Stack height they may fib about a bit as there is incentive for marketability against easily verifiable weight. I've gone through a barefoot/zero-drop phase, a 4mm drop phase,, an 8mm drop phase, and have lately been mostly in 6mm shoes. I've owned a number of 10-12mm drop streetwear sneakers but have never consciously run in a shoe with that much drop. So I know what each level feels like, and rarely do I feel a shoe is off by 2+mm. I've put 200 miiles on the Mach 6 - this feels much closer to 5mm than 10mm. You do make a good point about loading the shoe esp. as that can impact perception, and other elements of midsole design that impact the experience in motion.

I do not take this as a compliment, but yes, I'm Danish :) xD

@@RunRepeatcom My mum is Danish (from Horsens) so hearing a Danish accent always make me happy. Your English is outstsnding. Especially all of the technical vocabulary. Thank you for the in depth reviews.