We Found The Warmest 3/2 And Comfiest 4/3 | Stab's Best Wetsuits 2019

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Welcome to Stab's Best Wetsuits of 2019/2020 (The Northern Hemi edition).
Brands included: Rip Curl, Quiksilver, Billabong, O'Neill, Feral, and Volte.
Our objective: discover the warmest 3/2 and most comfortable 4/3.
Reasoning: nobody wants to wear a 4/3 if they don't have to, so it's our job to keep you in a 3-mil as long as possible. But if that extra millimeter is required, we want to make sure that you don't end up in a rubber straitjacket.
Tester: Stab's resident tech geek, Michael Ciaramella. Mikey's utter ignorance of these six neoprene brands makes him uniquely qualified for the task, as he is wholly unbiased in his preferences (he's only worn Xcel suits for the past decade).
Billabong:
Furnace Ultra 3/2: www.billabong.com/3/2-furnace...
Furnace Comp 4/3: www.billabong.com/4/3-furnace...
Feral:
3/2 Chest-zip: feralsurfing.com/collections/...
4/3 Chest-zip: feralsurfing.com/collections/...
O'Neill:
Psycho Tech 3/2: us.oneill.com/products/5026-a...
Hyperfreak Comp 4/3 (COMFORT WINNER): us.oneill.com/products/4971-a...
Quiksilver:
Highline Plus 3/2: www.quiksilver.com.au/wetsuit...
Highline Ltd. 4/3: www.quiksilver.com.au/wetsuit...
Rip Curl:
Flashbomb Heat Seeker 3/2 (WARM WINNER): www.ripcurl.com/us/flashbomb-...
E-Bomb 4/3: www.ripcurl.com/us/e-bomb-4-3...
Volte:
Supreme 3/2: www.voltewetsuits.com/product...
Premium Hooded 4/5: www.voltewetsuits.com/product...

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22 ноя 2019

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@ProofKyko 4 года назад

"Excuse me for my mediocre surfing" proceeds to do things I am light years away from and breaks my heart

@tommyboyce 4 года назад

It's just a defence mechanism to avoid people making negative comments about it I'd say.

@rhidiandavies1991 4 года назад

"No one wants to wear a 4/3 if they don't have to" - cuts to me, in the UK, in November, wearing a 6/5/4, awkwardly waving.

@cparksie2231 4 года назад

Canadian surfer here, I wave back to you i my 6/5/4

@freddiewm1502 3 года назад

My Uk (Cornwall) gets to 5/3 weather at coldest. Summer is almost boardshorts too but a comfy thickness is 4/3 in the summer.

@henrywalton5967 3 года назад

@@freddiewm1502 4/3 in the summer? I use a 3/2 for like 5-6 months in cornwall lol

@freddiewm1502 3 года назад

@@henrywalton5967 braver than i

@lbcmostwantedl6505 2 года назад

@@freddiewm1502 I’m sending a 3,2 with thermal vest all year round in the U.K. 😭

@nicolasvonblottnitz4787 4 года назад

All new suits are the warmest thing ever. The Ripcurl carpet material breaks quicker than any suit ever. Can someone do a test where they take wetsuits that are 6-months old? True consumer test.

@imDezrt 4 года назад

This. The new tech is incredibly warm, so now the real equalizer is durability. I've yet to find a suit where the seams don't go to shit before the 4 month mark.

@SKIM_831 4 года назад

Dezrt buell is a great brand my buell suit I’ve had for over a year and no breaker or tears

@Jay-fq8uz 4 года назад

Exactly haha

@dantheman81811 4 года назад

Are they really that bad? I'm about to buy a heat seeker, (or maybe a Tiki) but thinking maybe not now. They don't last long then?

@Jay-fq8uz 4 года назад

dantheman81811 depends how much you surf, take care of it. I have some old dawn patrol 3/2 good no tears from like 4 years ago.

@westleycarmona3626 4 года назад

I was waiting for the mediocre surfing. You rip mate 🤙🏻

@natural_law 3 года назад

He knows

@altheatoldme5003 3 года назад

“No one wants to wear a 4/3 unless they have to.” Cries in PNW.

@-spyguy-6307 4 года назад

Yes. I always love a good Mikey surf edit

@jeffjohnson6192 4 года назад

So now my question is, is how does the O’Neill compare to an Xcel

@jdoogy5942 4 года назад

It doesn’t

@shiestymadejns 3 года назад

Xcel is better than O’Neill

@benchmade12 3 года назад

Damn. Thanks for that awesome review!!!!! Good job on trying to isolate the variables the best you can!

@peacepuffz 4 года назад

Just got out in kinda chilly England in the Hyper Freak 4/3 & boots. Stoked on the suit, going to invest in the 5/4 with hood for when it's gets colder.

@joepaolucci8605 4 года назад

i love ripcurl and you just proved why.

@Ian-W 4 года назад

Thanks for giving us the reviews. Don’t like other sites that turn their “reviews” in to just another ad for the companies.

@shano1587 4 года назад

Up in norcal we wear four threes on the warm days and five fours most of the time

@derekhallman9770 3 года назад

Digging the People Under the Stairs soundtrack - RIP DoubleK!

@djz2308 4 года назад

That was fun. Thanks.

@didymostruespeal 4 года назад

Awesome intro. and you're a great surfer don't sell yourself short . If you end up in Encinitas I'd surf with you. Aloha!.... PS So my 4/3 was flushing and I'm like why is my back so cold.if you shine a flashlight in your wet suit up on the seems you will see where the holes are these are inevitable after about 2 years. Opting for the wetsuit glue .I went into the repair mode last night. But I am watching this video again to figure out which 3 /2 I'm going to get

@baileypeters8175 4 года назад

The Hurley 4/3 advantage is so comfy

@Jon1Surf1Lim 4 года назад

Super stretchy suits = only last one uk winter and cost £350.00..... 😁

@Baitline_NBC 4 года назад

I was out at county line almost all those days you guys were filming. Micheal was ripping!

@bbchester6 4 года назад

Wow he just fit into a tupperware bowl of ice water.

@marcelosalazar6427 3 года назад

Jajaja good one

@surfersoldierforchrist5928 4 года назад

🔥Hyperfreak it is!🔥🤙

@selectinverse 4 года назад

did you evaluate the putting on and removal of the suit? That is quite important once numb and walking back to your car after dark after surfing lake Michigan. I guess this is only a test for thicker suits. Please invest in a review for cold water suits! No silly ice bath shit, just the ability to put it on and take it off. Taking my suit off is the hardest part when I am frozen and my hands are all cramping, it's so hard. I need a suit that can make that easier. Surfing is all muscle memory, and all the suits are now flexible enough for performance at my level....but at the end of the day, i'm cramping and need help getting this suit off. What suit is easy to take off?

@Dills1212 4 года назад

i respect the commitment my man!

@mathish.3190 4 года назад

I find Vissla pretty warm and easy to take off. I know the struggle.

@TheAirperri 3 года назад

Maybe a zip on the back like the Zen style of O'Neill should work. I had the same problem with a Billabong zipless few years ago, after 2 years I completely destroyed. I usually prefer a back zip.

@taradead 3 года назад

Visalia is NOT easy to take off...and the neoprene is not nearly as warm as others. Inexpensive suit with a lot of nice features, but I doubt I'll buy vissla again.

@mathish.3190 3 года назад

@@taradead I could get defensive here. But I'm talking about the 4/3's. I haven't had any experience with the seven seas wettys so can't say anything about that. But for me, I could take em off pretty easily and had warm. It was untill it was getting worn out that it wasn't as warm.

@patefutch6168 4 года назад

I mean yeah it might be kooky but I know I speak for majority of the surfing community in the comments but golfing makes sense in testing stretching

@a.lame.username. 4 года назад

I have at least 4 suits in the quiver at all times and 3/2 is a summer suit for us. Isurus has been the best wetsuit I've found in the last few years. Outlasted everything else, lighter, warmer, better fit.

@arrzfr 4 года назад

Would be awesome to know how quickly they dry, too. Some materials really blow my mind how much water they retain.

@justinyoie 4 года назад

Rip Curl Flash Bomb is the fastest drying wetsuit.-fact

@dr.eduardozans4641 3 года назад

I have an oneill hyper freak 4.3 and it takes 4 days at least to dry. I am looking for a 3.2 flash bomb cause I feel mine too heavy wet. Would you recommend?

@mls01981 4 года назад

Mikey -- rotate through these suits for the winter and let us know how the warmth holds up. I had used O'neill for a decade and now I'm trying my hand with Rip Curl (the "warmest" suit 2 years in a row per Stab). While the Rip Curls are warm and that fuzzy lining is very soft against the skin, the suits leak at the seams after a few months, drastically dropping their warmth. Also, I am interested in the weight of the suits when wet. I feel like some suits have a low dry weight, but soak up a lot of water and visa versa. Thanks!

@sectionmaker 4 года назад

yeah Rip Curls always seemed to me to leak, and then get heavy after a season or two. i like Oneils 4/3 but got a online billabong for 150....seems warm and wellmade, but built in hood is WAY to tight, I might cut it off!!!

@jsmith1025 4 года назад

That ice bin test is bound to be biased. There is no way you'll get your core temp back for the later tests.

@richardtrainor1655 3 года назад

And yet the first one was the worst? I think it did just fine.

@tylerh1648 3 года назад

Also you get used to the cold. Better idea would be to test the suits on 3 different days, in a climate controlled environment and he doesn't know which suit is which (blindfolded)

@UkoZJ 4 года назад

The test is a good example of bad experimental design: statistically invalid. It would be much better to perform less trials with more samples. Take for example the ice bath: it would work better if you just repeated the bath a couple of times on different days with random order of wetsuits. As it was done, It is easy to argue that the second trial which performed best was only due to body acclimatization to cold temperatures, while the first bad performance was due to thermal shock and the third was due to the loss of caloric/energy reserves available to you after two baths.

@AccountN0name 4 года назад

And to think that this video will be influencing wetsuit sales next year is crazy.

@djaniquinn 4 года назад

It's so unscientific. But they tried. I think about this a lot for product reviews in surfing. Kind of just have to trust the reviewer's experience...

@masterofnone1481 4 года назад

I love smart people 🤙

@MrMrWattz 4 года назад

Getting through the winter in a 3/2 haha imagine

@WaveWasters 4 года назад

be nice to wear a 3/2 in the summer for more then a couple weeks hahaha

@indacouchproductions 4 года назад

I wear a 3/2 heat seeker when its freezing and a 3/2 flashbomb when it isn't too bad here in the 805. Wearing 4/3 feels like your'e wearing heavy armor or something, the flexibility is nice at the end of the day.

@joepaolucci8605 4 года назад

Too day's technology is so good, i have surfed 3/2 the last years and have been plenty warm as long as you stay active.

@chasingwaves11 4 года назад

Ryan Watts right !! I freakin wish lol California boys lol most don’t know what it’s like surfing the winter in the East Coast Snowy winters lol

@djproductions9 4 года назад

Nah u couldn’t even wear 3/2 in winter in NorCal

@AccountN0name 4 года назад

Unscientifically biasing the wetsuit market in 2020 - good job Stab. I'm sure these videos have a rather profound impact on the sales of wetsuits in the next year, and to think it was generated by a series of low-sample size, unimportant tests is crazy. Maybe you should hire a researcher or test engineer to conduct your tests next time.

@clementgaillard1308 4 года назад

A lot of brands missing ... Xcel, vissla , imperial motion, janga, hurley(if we can call this a wetsuit...)

@albertocuervo2535 3 года назад

Great video guys. Thank you! What wetsuit size does Michael wear?

@rdejianne 3 года назад

Would be awesome if you could do the ice bath challenge with hooded 5/4's for those of us who don't live where the water never gets frigid.

@jackolson7735 3 года назад

great golf swing...

@Travis3500 4 года назад

You guys should do best hooded suits

@davelospinoso9022 3 года назад

Just got the hyperfreak 3/2 . 10/10

@Ataraxia1 3 года назад

hahahahaha the icebath test is funny cos the time you want to stay in an icebath for the benefits of cold adaptation is 2 to 3 minutes.... without a wetsuit ;)

@DeforestLCooper 4 года назад

Awesome review! Question tho - what size suits was he wearing? Fit also has to do with comfort. Thanks in advance. 🤙

@albertocuervo2535 3 года назад

Deforest L. Cooper that is a good question. What size was he wearing?

@peterl47 4 года назад

love the golf glove but no boots for the ice bath lol

@nahuelklapp307 4 года назад

what about xcel? the best wet suits out there

@TheDennisRobb 4 года назад

Missed opportunity to have the prices next to the results. But nice comparison video.

@kieranmurphy5101 4 года назад

unless you live in ireland and need a 4/3 or 5/4 for winter

@chiaojijijhijn9566 4 года назад

Does anyone else feel that paddling in a good old fashioned back zip is in fact more flexible then a chest zip or even a zipper less? I think all this zip free for flexibility is yet more marketing tactics, I used an old rented suit a few months ago with a back zip, it was an entry level cheapo suit and was super flexi then tried out a brand spanking new xcel comp x and was surprised how less stretchy this all bells and whistles suit was even after a load of surfs, part of it I felt was the extra bulk needed when using a front entry system in comparison to a back zip.

@ericcaloosa371 3 года назад

I just bought a back zip 543 for the sub 50 degree days locally and its warm ans super stretchy.

@AJKammerer 4 года назад

My zipperless O'Niell Hyperfreak is the comfiest suit I've ever worn by far.. but it's pretty much a 1 season suit and it's too expensive to be buying once a year, which is a bummer.

@j.mach1133 3 года назад

I've had mine for a year and it's still the best, most stretchy and comfortable wetsuit I've ever owned. I rinse it inside and out, and hang dry it in the shade after 95% of my surfs though. I'm in the water 3-4 days a week

@AJKammerer 3 года назад

@@j.mach1133 I'm in the water about the same in mine, but I'm not as nice to it.. I try and hang it up every day, but sometimes it's in the sun, sometimes it gets rinsed, sometimes not... Maybe not O'Niell's fault it's starting to deteriorate. However, I will say I treated my Patagonia the same way and it lasted more like 4/5 years, nowhere near as comfy and stretchy though.

@samculver8279 2 года назад

the hyper freak is surer comfy but trust that it won't last. Same with rip curls.

@miguelvox 4 года назад

how about the durability?? O´Neill Hyperfreak is a good wetsuit but wont last long. I will go Billabong or RipCurl, just saying!!

@masterofnone1481 4 года назад

Any thoughts on the O’Neil Reactor 2?

@KD-mm3li 4 года назад

In Santa Cruz I wear a 4/3 all the time. Winter 5 with hoodie. I run cold. Preferred suit brand is buel misty cauz My shop knows RB

@rctrix9063 Год назад

Graphene is conductive so why it would be used as a thermal insulator I have not idea.

@vincedavis5326 4 года назад

Any changes to the rankings with wind as a factor?

@sickpig1 4 года назад

Vince Davis if windchill is a factor then definitely look for suits with smooth skin panels

@shotbymatias9324 4 года назад

what mics yall use?

@ignaciofuentesgonzalez9680 4 года назад

what about Patagonia R3 yulex ??

@nazieg 4 года назад

What about Vissla ?

@Kastlino 4 года назад

ive had one of their 7 seas models over a year and i cant complain its just starts wearing down after 7 months or so I have a hole in mine but doesnt bother me at all.

@mathish.3190 3 года назад

Had one of the 4/3's. Very good wetsuits. But like the other person said. They do start wearing down quick when you surf a lot/intensively.

@hbr9427 2 года назад

If buying rip curl suits would you guys recomend the E-Bomb or the F-Bomb to surf on water averaging 13ºC ? I've surfed with 3/2 E-Bomb on 15ºC for hours and never had no issues at all but i'm afraid that E-Bomb4/3 would not be enough for 13ºC? Also I wonder if the F-Bomb 4/3 will be to much and compromise my flexibility. Any tips?

@robbygoode4299 3 года назад

was this filmed in santa cruz?

@jondarling7933 4 года назад

Really cool review! Anyone want to chime in on surfing New York in and around mid Feb/March? I've heard you should be going 5/4 hoody and boots. Correct?

@cubul32 3 года назад

Maybe. I've done Cape Cod with 4:3 in April.

@bones8057 3 года назад

Dudes, you missed the big variable. Weight. The Ferals don't soak water and are soooo much lighter in the water.

@Edrocker 10 дней назад

is flashbomb 3.2 warmer than the 4.3 models that you test?

@OrlovAleksandr 4 года назад

Good day to all, I need help, I choose my first suit and the choice fell on Onil, but I can not try on because I want to order from England . Help deal and choose the size of the either s or m. My data: growth 180, volume of breast 95, waist 78. What is better to take ? I think between O'NEILL LEGEND 3.5/2MM , PSYCHO FREAK 3/2MM , O'NEILL MENS HYPERFREAK+ 3/2MM With love from Russia

@SwimDudeSwim 2 года назад

“That was the lamest thing I’ve ever had to do” bruh this actually looked fun and ridiculous; lighten up

@expendable0youth 3 года назад

I only ever buy Need Essentials wettys now. They would rival any other wetty and are half the price.

@surferjohn2104 2 года назад

I've had a 3/2 and a 4/3. Seems started leaking after a half dozen sessions.

@BaylenRailey 4 года назад

Hyperfreak is the best wetsuit ive ever owned just saying

@b4ssfunk3d 4 года назад

I have the 3/2, this sold me on getting the 4/3 for winter. I agree, unfortunately I've been travelling a lot surfing and tore a seam on my 3/2 hyperfreak that I have to stitch up

@BaylenRailey 4 года назад

b4ssfunk3d yeah i surf So cal pretty much exclusively and the 3mm gets me through winter without freezing

@noahjenkinson1369 4 года назад

When he described the hyperfreak as feeling like a ninja suit I laughed, because that's exactly how I describe it to my friends.

@Valium-jh9or 4 года назад

Hei Guys im new to surfing and will order my first wetsuit soon (a Hyperfreak). I live far away from the sea, so in the summer im actually just riversurfing temp: (15 Celsius( 57 f) and only in the winter in the sea (temp around 17C/ 70f). i was going to take the 3/2 + but because in this video he states that the suit is not very warm and now im not sure if i should go for a 4/3 +. I was hoping that some of your Hyperfreak owners could help me with my decision which one is more suitable as an alrounder . :)

@kyfisher3662 3 года назад

everyone raves about the flatrock 3/2 id be keen to see how it goes up against these

@rowanjedinak8916 4 года назад

Anyone have any opinions on buell wetsuits?

@heathwatkins7809 4 года назад

wheres vissla?

@epictidewetsuits7514 4 года назад

Check out our wetsuits with a hydration system! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s_AnrbTsdWM.html

@jeffereyarmstrong7839 4 года назад

I know my rip curl suit got fixed for free when I broke the zipper.

@Andrew-tl9gk 4 года назад

My 2018 Hurley had some minor thing and they gave me a brand new 2019 model now. Nike is very accommodating, too.

@w6dfmp242 3 года назад

Thanks for some great info and leads for my next suit. That said nothing looked more like a kook than you golfing in a wetsuit!

@kiohto6865 3 года назад

laughs in cape town

4 года назад

Where is JANGA?

@dustin6625 4 года назад

My Heatseeker didn't last one winter .. Wayyyy too easy to put a finger through those heatpads.

@el_burritoslapper 4 года назад

Dustin.P mine and my mate’s heat seeker just burst seams after 6 months. Definitely the warmest wetsuit I’ve had, but pretty shitty durability

@vaughnsigal4560 4 года назад

And how expensive are they again?

@mcdance1311 4 года назад

@@vaughnsigal4560 520 buck-ish!

@iclapmasteryeet4046 2 года назад

What’s the water temp

@homiesoprano 4 года назад

yall sleepin on Zion.

@iraomar1 4 года назад

My Excel wetsuits have consistently had the seam tape fall off after 6 months. Warm and stretchy til then. I’m here looking for a new brand.

@hanszimmermann8487 4 года назад

yes, same here! Got it replaced due to warranty though!

@dolbyderringer2225 4 года назад

Excel? ? You wear spreadsheet formulas?

@travistarpson4957 3 года назад

I think all suits will fall apart somewhat after one season, saltwater is hard on anything. Get a suit a lil bit warmer than you need and expect it to let more water in the next season.

@jakewilliams4294 3 года назад

@@travistarpson4957 Eh, debating that for my next suit. Here in SoCal, at least for me, it's either a 3/2 + booties or a 4/3. Been basically doing the 1 season 1 suit deal w/ the 3/2, cause I feel like a 4/3 wouldn't make it 2 full seasons. Seems like it would be hot as hell the first half the 1st season, then fine for a while, then too cold the second half of the 2nd season w/ all of the tears and pinholes. Plus you can reuse old 3/2s as spring suits and tops.

@BenDover-vs7ih 4 года назад

Great thanks for the review now all I have to do is go get a third job and try to save up money for one of these thousand dollar suits. F*** it I'm barebacking this S***!!!

@louisanthony266 4 года назад

Mediocre surfing? Ummm, that guy rips. I wish I was half as good. Btw, I’m sad the Vissla 7 seas didn’t make the list.

@hughmckendrick3018 3 года назад

Was a great Rip Curl fan but their suits lately have no longevity. Guess the technical advances in design have to have a payback.

@wesleychapman9001 4 года назад

no wetsuits from Hurley?

@kyleharwick8654 4 года назад

That's because Hurley suits are trash.

@adamwaz5615 4 года назад

That's because the only people that surf in that shit are those that are getting paid to do so 😆

@d-dog2106 4 года назад

Anyone over here surfing out of nor-cal? (Moterey/santa cruz) I'm trying to decide if I should move up to a 4/3 for winter surf. I've only used a 3/2 because raw dog or nah dawg, I like that bareback feeling when shredding. Is it worth it to buy a high quality 3/2 and say fuck it? Or should I go full trojan and get a 4/3 extra warm suit.

@daniisrael____6326 4 года назад

What about Buell wetsuits.. they grow stronggg and fast

@livinginSantaCruz831 4 года назад

those smaller companies just don't have the R&D or resources to compete, especially cost wise. i.e. Hotline...pure trash

@Dills1212 4 года назад

@@livinginSantaCruz831 "JOB inked a lifetime deal with Buell and you can too!" that's good enough marketing for me, but I don't want to stand out in the lineup with a flashy suit... all recognisable as the guy dodging barrels and pulling out last minute, just gonna become a drop-in target hahahaha

@jamieryan8328 4 года назад

how about a 5/3 comparison for all us actual cold water warriors..

@TedNaylor9989 4 года назад

#Yeasty at the golf store

@PerolascomDiamantes 4 года назад

Dude, because of this review I ended up ordering the hyperfreak online, It just arrived and u can't believe how bad it is on me. I always had M size, and with the suit (size m) I barely can breathe or move. horrible

@brodiwheeler7583 4 года назад

7:18 when you go to rip a roundhouse and some gaper let’s go of his longboard and it’s waiting for to ding your board on in the whitewater. 🤬😤🌊💥↩️🏄🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️👎🏼

@mattthemonster666 4 года назад

Brodi Wheeler classic Santa Cruz

@raintreepropertymanagement8434 4 года назад

Yeah, what is that guy doing? He's sideways to the wave letting go of his board and it's not even big.

@surfersoldierforchrist5928 4 года назад

😂🤣

@TimberTramp 4 года назад

The dc leaker

@kittysmalls4602 4 года назад

4/3’s feel the same as 3/2 to me. Maybe cause Mikey is the size of a high school cheerleader he had a hard time.

@nickschibi 3 года назад

xcel is the only answer

@BRACALONEBORDINTEAM 4 года назад

Wim Hof do not approve the ice test

@Dills1212 4 года назад

i see you

@cubul32 3 года назад

Wim is demonized - he's not on his human nature anymore: stop mentioning him like it's worth taking notes.

@BRACALONEBORDINTEAM 3 года назад

@@cubul32 easy man

@ToxicOverdos 4 года назад

No Hurley ?

@Andrew-tl9gk 4 года назад

I have the Advantage Max 3/2 and it is awesome in flexability and warmth. Unfortionally they did not include it.

@dinanleguet 4 года назад

And what about the 5/4 ? 😂

@adriantroalic9298 4 года назад

Yeah, proper winter suits 👍

@cubul32 3 года назад

He would but he never heard of that. Besides: it would kill him faster than a heart attack.

@chasingwaves11 4 года назад

Lol this dude would not last in the East Coast Surfing the winters lol I won’t go thicker then a 5.4 I try an wear my Hurley 4:3 as long as possible even if I just get a 40 min surf in December by January the water is already 30 degrees and air temps are mostly in the 20 and lower unless we get a what we call a spring day weather in the 40’s lol .. I have a O’Neal superfreak 3:2 that I use in the late spring they are super flexible but they suck they rip so easy for a winter suit I’ve always stuck with ripcurl they have lasted me the longest my dawn patrol is going on 3 winters now only has a small leak in the leg but I fixed it for by second Winter suit I just picked up a flash BOMB 💣 awesome suit i love that they are more flexible then the dawn patrol.