we got a new Mill! - S02E30 

My name is This Old Tony and I approve this video.

Owning a mill has been a childhood dream of mine as well. After clapping out a drill press or two with an XY slide I finally ordered a PM-727V last week. Can't wait for it to arrive.

The connection in between you 2 it's rare, brilliant. Of course, nothing is perfect but, together you made me settled your videos among my favourites. The quality of your cleanings, the correct speed of your images, the good sense of humour (without to annoy us), etc ... are impressive. Applause 👏👏👏🇧🇷🇩🇰

"Why buy something nice when you can build a crappier version of it". I live by that motto. I brought home an ENCO 13x40 Gearhead lathe from a local machine shop recently. Tore it down, cleaned and painted it and put it back together and I'm using it to learn on. My wife loves the new addition to the garage as it hardly takes up any space at all ;). They also have a MSC Bridgeport Clone Mill that they're looking to sell me. That is gonna be a bit harder to convince the wife on (even though the price is stupid good, cheaper than what I bought my lathe for...). I have zero machining background but with the help of TOT and Blondihacks for around 6 months I can now single point thread, make rings and lots and lots and lots of chips to sweep and clean up. It's way too much fun.

Hello nice acquisition, seems really good brand. I suppose TOT will be proud of you using scisors to cut the sheet of metal as always he does!!! Keep on the good work

Excited to see what you guys make with the new machine!

First, that's an awesome delivery guy. Years ago, I picked up a 2 ton chain fall and welded (farmer welder level) a gantry to lift a SM365 xmission and the transfer case. I still have it and it gets more use than I ever expected. Watching the last part was great. My Sr. project for my EE was to build a large X-Y printer for the prof. in the art dept. This was in the late 80s. Scavenging parts and having grown up in a tool and die maker family, helped (and always helps) for the 'analog' stuff. Now that I'm not a prof. software engineer, I'm going back to working in the shop w/o a bunch of electronics feels important right now. Great vid. thank you.

Dope edit with cutting the sheet metal. Beautiful piece of kit too.

The special effects at 3:08 was absolutely brilliant! Great Video! Thanks!!!!!

Well done guys. Can wait to see what you make with it

I ordered the small Precision Matthews mill this past Sunday. "Childhood dream come true", for me as well. Thanks for making the video, really enjoyed it, I'll be joining.

Nice looking machine! Hope you guys have a great time with it.

Great purchase guys. Time to hit the sandbox...😀

Great video guys! I’ve been a machinist for over 25 years. Have a bunch of machines in my shop. Recently just got a PM25 mv and love it. Go with Arizonacnc kit if you do a conversion. Very high quality. Keep up the great content.

Exciting, and a good buy! Those machines seem to be the best bang for your buck. That spindle is dead silent... I am jealous after listening to noise 50 year old bridgeport spindles for years! The next thing you may want to do is seal up any gaps between the chip tray and the top of the toolbox you mounted it to. As I'm sure you know, coolant has a way of getting everywhere, and it could cause a bit of a bad time if it gets in there and sits there. You've probably already thought of this, but I just wanted to be sure :) Enjoy! Really excited to see your surface grinder and other projects continue. Haven't seen anyone else do that anywhere on RU-vid, mad props for taking that up!

IF nothing else - you guys are inspirational.

Hey Guys, I really enjoyed the video! You do such a great job with crisp focus & cool camera angles, its real pleasure to watch. Ryan's perspective at the end really resonated with me. As someone who picked up most of my skills at a maker's space, I spent 80% of my time on the computer doing CAD & CAM. This video inspired me & reinforced this feeling I have been having that is driving me to more analog methods. I am totally going to buy a vinyl record player.

Interesting in that I have been sizing up the PM mills. I'll have to watch for some action shots.

Nice work. You may find the stand a little light though for the mill. I put 500 pounds of cement in the base of my milling machine stand to improve rigidity and reduce vibration.

i made it through the same when building a cnc first i needed a lathe than a mill than a bigger lathe and a bigger mill and ten machines more but now i can build cnc machines as big as i want for the rest of my life with my big room full of machines - good luck guys

I think learning on manual machines is the best way to learn. I've just finished my engineering apprenticeship of 5 years . I gained an interest in mechanical engineering about 7 years ago and I was lucky enough that my grand dad had an old Colchester Mascot lathe that I could play with. I learnt an awful lot on that worn out lathe and still use it today. Read every book you can find on the subject. I now run CNC lathes all day, every day and to be honest, manual machining is way more interesting..

The tool box was a slick idea. I may do that myself for a mini bandsaw

Awesome job resurrecting that lathe!

Holy Cow! If you would have said early on that you have already been playing around with building CNC machines, I think people would have given you two a lot less of a hard time! Hindsight is of course always 20/20, so allow me to share an insight that helps when you are "putting yourself on a stage"... I have been delivering presentations and trainings to large audiences and small classes for a number of years now. The number one rule you should always follow is this; Early, at the beginning of your presentation or class, always explain to the audience what your experience is, and why they should listen to you. This way they will respect your knowledge in that particular field and be more relaxed and less judgemental about what your are teaching/presenting to them. Of course, it doesn't alway turn out that way, but it's a good thing to do. I think that if you had outlined EARLY ON that you have already been tinkering with homebuilt CNC machines for AGES, you would have saved yourself an awful lot of lip from a certain section of the peanut gallery. Of course, RU-vid can a right cesspit when it comes to comments, so you can't avoid some of them anyways. But it helps. Anyhow. I was quite impressed when you guys mentioned that. Well done! :)

I have one like this and its amazing the work it will do I did upgrade the motor to 1HP

Nice little mill guys. This Old Tony, well enough said the creme-de-la-creme for sure. Kindest regards. Joe.

I love you guys sense of humor

A guy who made his own Gingery lathe (youtube) made a base of concrete on top of a timber frame and was quite surprised how it cut chatter! Concrete had 4 heavy rebar and was about 3” thick made in a wood form. He is in the process of making a shaper with Al castings. Excellent accomplishments. I’ll copy the url if I do not get distracted.

I have that tool box in my work van. It is crazy solid. Can’t believe how heavy it is empty. Harbor freight is actually increasing quality on some stuff surprisingly

As always, awesome cinematography....very clever. I can't believe you dudes haven't gotten more subs by now.

Great channel, got totally hooked haha, its real fun, interesting, and the great editing really does its thing, keep it going guys!

I did a scissor trick in my last video, but you guys did it ten times better than me LOL. Getting a new mill is a great day. I got a similar but larger mill last year, but I find tramming the head not so easy. Brilliant video you are inspiring. Regards Chris

You will never regret buying your mill. Along with a lathe, there isn't much you can't make with these two machines in your workshop. From experience, the only thing that you will regret is, not buying a bigger one! Don't believe me? Just wait! Did you seal the mounting holes you drilled in the tool cabinet top? If not, dig out the silicone, otherwise the top drawer, along with the contents will be full of coolant! (Just sayin!) Great videos, I especially enjoyed your lathe tear down and renovation series. Best Stuart

Congrats for the new mill! If you are building a big CNC, you might as well make it human size and weighing 500kg. I am keeping an eye on ebay for a lathe at the moment. And also a metal brake.

Great show .

You must be fans of "This Old Tony" aka the scissors and axe gag. Someones wife had that familiar look on her face that says, "What kind of crap did you buy now?" She's off to the shoe store for some payback.

You guys need to get a parallel spring set so that your parallels don’t always fall over when you open your vice !👍🏻

I think I hugged my mini mill as well, while no one was looking of coarse! Lol!

I think you’ll be very happy with your welds if you clean the prepared weld service it acetone or denatured alchohol

Practice welding up and away from your welds. Lean back a bit and get up off your forearms and wrists, hold your torch and filler wire such that you support them with your whole arm, trust me it will improve your welding by a lot with some practice. Also don't use a grinder on your welding surfaces, clean them with an organic solvent/de-greaser. you can also wire brush a the surface a bit to clean off any oxides. Lastly, when doing tack welds, make sure your do them cross-ways keeping in mind how the part will flex from the expansion in that local spot.

Lifting by table? Exciting!

In your tig welds, build a nice round melted in pool before moving forward, and end with the same. The c-shaped welds you did are weak in the center and can break along that line.

I've got one of those, about a year ago, I cannot say anything bad about it, very happy. I built a stand with an even wider stance than yours and I find I can only crank the traverse so fast else vibrations set up and it will sway, that's still a lot of weight you got up there in space. ☺

I almost lost my shit when he cut that metal plate with the scissors! LOL That was classic!

Lucky ducks. Gonna have a lot of fun with that I bet!

You guys are so much like me. I would like to try and build if I couldn't afford a new mill. I did build a complete 3 axis CNC Router Table. It was a learning curve. I am now am looking at a complete metal cutting CNC Mill. I cut gears out of wood with my very small Router Table in Fusion 360. I have had Large Bridgeport Knee mills and large lathes that were all manual and loved them.

I know it would be challenge, but I would love to see a link every time you use a new tool. I had never seen a drill guide before (previous video), and it took some effort to find them without immediate search terms. Cool mill!

Going to be interesting what you do with that “toy” ! I have the same machine. You will need to secure that base because the setup is top heavy. Moving that table to far in X direction and you better be careful ! Happy milling to ya !

Coming to your from the ‘future’…the PM-25 has gone up almost a thousand dollars by far outstripping the Griz-site’s competition. Before it was a close call…now it’s survival for most small home shop millers

You sure look like your in gateway. Houses look like ours. And I spoke to PM last week and my PM 727v with a Dro should be here this week. Very excited.

cool mill, i hope we get to see double the videos ;p

Cool mill. I got one like this. I've been years gonna make CNC based on it...

Yes 👍, it can handle it if it stay straight am talking about that red cabinet.

Your choice of music is greaaaaaaat!!!!.likedyour work too.

I got an Optimum BF20L and its quite nice however I would be more happy with a gearboxed motor compared to the vario. When drilling steel for example t struggles a lot but for easier milling its good, at least in softer materials. Congrats on the new addition.

How do you like the tool box stand after a few years of use? Thinking of doing the same with a small metal lathe and a bench mill for space efficiency/storage purposes.

I think you can always remove the head and the table when moving a mill

Fkng outstanding job!👍👍👍👍

Very good thank you very much and I love it

I would love for you guys to do an review on the new mill

Wow, those Fiskars shears are amazing, must be the carbon!

"Measure it with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, cut it with an axe !" Did you tram the other 2 axis ?

What size Shars vise did you buy for the mill and how do you like it so far?

Lol TOT’s squaring video came up as next for me. Think this is the first time finding you guys. Guess I should sub...

Oh... I must get one piece of this !

I love how you use the parallel bars with the job that's a proper machining trick but you need to tap the job down with a copper hammer while tight in the vice to keep the bars tight they should not slide around during machining

Nice mill guys! Color me jealous because I would have to get that thing into my basement by myself and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Hugs the mill at the end... how can you not love that?

I just bought my 3rd mill(or 5th if you include the mill and CNC router at work). I wish I had skipped the desktop mills and went straight to the old knee mills. I started with the X2 at home and then got an SX3 at work. Then I got the Deckel KF12 pantograph mill which is pretty much a light duty knee mill and it makes the SX3 look like, or rather feel like a drill press. The small mills held my skills back for a year or two. I just finaly sold my X2 and bought a simply massive universal mill(Parkson 2N) with vertical head, universal head and a slotting heat with the proceeds. I paid even less for the KF12. Anyway my point is to keep an eye out for used mills. They sometimes go for cheaper than the new import mills and are orders of magnitude better.

Damn you, now I want this mill

Hey! I just got that exact mill into my basement today! Hopefully I' can get some help to lift it on top of the pedestal I bought for it.

TIG welder, good start for a home shop, and the scissors....Fiskars are pretty god...

Sweet Margarita mixer!

This Old Tony is going to have to up his game.

Suomi mainittu! Torilla tavataan!

Nice mill, nice GT86 :)

Of course Fiskars from Finland :)

I would love to see more videos now that you got a new toy to show off.

1:57 I tried a mag 'clamp' and it chased the spark on my TIG all over the place; could not control the location.

Very good friend

I looked in the description and couldn't find a link to where you bought the mill

Nice Machine ! Thanks By the way showing those Fiskars Cissors POWER =) Greetings From Finland =)

Was just about to mention TOT and the scissor trick and saw his pinned comment!

cool

Actually tramming the spindle as you showed isn't really the correct way until you verify that the rear column is square to the table in both the X and Y axis. Easiest for that is make or buy a good cylindrical square and run the indicator up and down the square using the heads Z axis. And I'd bet money that rear column isn't true to the table. These off shore machines can be a bit of a crap shoot as far as taking there accuracy as a given. Myself I'd check the runout on the spindle taper and the table flatness in X and Y as well. I learned a long time ago that if you don't check there's no way to be 100% sure of anything. And I certainly wouldn't hesitate to double check even a brand new Bridgeport. Pulling the table and Y axis apart is also a very good idea since these machine are assembled in a lot less than clean room conditions. Properly cleaning off all that congealed dragon fat anti rust preservative and very likely some chips and grinding dust on the ways and feed screws, then readjusting the feed nuts and gibs then relubeing with a proper way oil will make for a much smoother and tighter operating machine and is more than worth the few hrs it takes.

Now _that_ is a nifty desk toy. Do want.

How sturdy is that tool chest against sideways forces acting on the top? I would have reinforced the back and the sides of the chest too. Milling harder materials such as steel can make a small mill like that shake quite a bit and you don't want the support for your mill oscillating sideways or back and forth with the mill.

Бойцы, поздравляю с новой игрушкой! Oops, forgot to switch keyboard layout, sorry: congratulations on a new toy, fellas!

This is a wonderful tool for use in making YT vids. And HO train model parts. Certainly RC airplane stuff. Calling it a "mill" is a stretch at best.

Two words,... might be a future option.... if the tool chest seems lacking... EPOXY GRANITE. 30% MINERAL DUST 35% SAND 12-15% EPOXY ... BY WEIGHT. the remainder being STEEL INSERTS FOR STRUCTURE & FASTENERS. (Unless my memory fails me,... which is rare.)

Emotions😍

I have that mill and a word of warning to you. The head does not stay trammed under moderate cutting force. There is just not enough clamping force on that one bolt. Try drilling and tapping some holes on both sides next to the pivot and using some large bolts and washers to lock it in place. You'll thank me later.

Did you build any structure around the bottom of the tool chest? I would be afraid of the bottom pulling apart/bending if it is constructed like the top section. I noticed the cross supports are pretty close to the sides, rather than centred, any particular reason? Good video overall though, I like the videos from you guys among other youtubers, you don't put in too much boring stuff and you have a good amount of banter to make things interesting!

Have fun... I have the Grizzly version of the same mill (G0704) that I converted to CNC. Are you guys planning to leave it as a manual mill?

What camera do you guys use for your videos? Great quality content!!

Could I ask what the profile your using for tapping squarely is and what it's called and where can I get one ? Thanks in advance

that mill looks nice, where could i pick up a S02E30? im in ireland

In a previous episode you showed you had several Dial indicators, so why did you not build a spindle square (Bar with two opposing Dial indicators) Simple and very efficient

Nice little mill but what's the point of putting on a light gauge tool chest that will twist at every motor start !

Welding in only a t-shirt... Wow, just, wow.