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We got the 1st - Yanmar TL100 Walkthrough
Were the first major company west of the Mississippi to own and operate the Yanmar TL 100 VS Skid Steer and this thing is impressive!
Check out this ful walkthough of the machine and be on the lookout for future videos of us using it and comparing to it to other skid steers. ‪@yanmarglobal2601‬ ‪@riverbendequipment3518‬ ‪@YanmarUSA‬
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@Tcw2019
@Tcw2019 4 месяца назад
Just a suggestion, turn down the music or just get rid of it. I couldn’t hear you sometimes. Looks nice. I just wish more manufacturers made the kubota/takeuchi style door so it’s easy to run open
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
I will take your feedback into consideration. The reason most companies don't use roll-up doors is due to cab pressurization. The roll up doors do not hold pressurization after a few hundred hours in most cases. Yanmar does give the option for both worlds with this machine. Which is why I like the design. Thank you for watcing.
@Tcw2019
@Tcw2019 4 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG the new cats are doing the same as well
@dustinpitts2741
@dustinpitts2741 3 месяца назад
That salesman did a great job explaining everything, so glad you have the support;;;;;;;;
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 3 месяца назад
Jason at Riverbend is amazing. He is the General Manager of the location for Riverbend Equipment.
@HunterDVLDGS
@HunterDVLDGS 4 месяца назад
Oh man, that rig looks AWESOME! Great vid man, keep em comin!
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Thanks Hunter, we have some seriously good and innovative content coming. Thank you for the support!!
@johnpollard9235
@johnpollard9235 4 месяца назад
Bad Ass machine brother!
@gemofthewoods5802
@gemofthewoods5802 4 месяца назад
You're video helped me. I've been trying to get my husband to get rid of the cat and go back to asv/yanmar. 🙂
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Ha! Glad I could help! Should be putting it to use this next week.
@HotRodDave
@HotRodDave 27 дней назад
SWEET
@WorknDirt
@WorknDirt 4 месяца назад
nice review! looking forward to future feedback on it! keep up the good work!
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Thank you! Should have reviews out next week on some JD equipment that will come out later this year.
@ellobo1326
@ellobo1326 4 месяца назад
I really like the ground clearance. A machine in this class and price range should have a roll up door in my opinion.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Roll-up doors are inferior due to long term cabin pressure. The roll-up doors co not do well over the long term. Although, I do agree it is nice to operate with the door up, this machine gives you both options.
@PawsitiveVibesDogTraining
@PawsitiveVibesDogTraining 4 месяца назад
Bobby’s watching and he’s not making any promises either!! lol
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Okay, Bobby the "Dirt Punisher" can be the first to try in Aggressive mode. I'm a little nervous to try anything called Aggressive Mode.
@PawsitiveVibesDogTraining
@PawsitiveVibesDogTraining 4 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG 🤣🤣🤣 he says it’ll be alright. lol
@rirebel6029
@rirebel6029 4 месяца назад
Cool looking machine , i like the torsion suspension undercarriage like my 289d but on my 289 that is all greaeable , that windshield washer fluid tank would drive me nuts as i do mostly fine grading with mine
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
It is all greasable on this machine as well. At first I thought it looked like the washer fluid res was going to be in the way and in view. It is not. But the design allows for the door to be quickly removed.
@nealk6387
@nealk6387 4 месяца назад
Looks like a brute of a machine. I work for a yanmar dealer, we’re going to order half a dozen of these and put them to work with the customers and see how they hold up before going full in and selling them.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Let us know how they like it!
@rontopping2048
@rontopping2048 4 месяца назад
Ride control and self level bucket on right panel
@blackdogexcavator21
@blackdogexcavator21 4 месяца назад
Nice looking machine, wish it had a roll up door. Other than that, it looks like it would get the job done and easier to maintain than any other machine on the market.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
I do appreciate the roll up door. I've found the roll up doors don't pressurize, the cab, after a while. The fact this door comes off so easily was a huge selling point for me, because of the times I prefer to run with "the door up". Thank you for watching and commenting. We have another machine we are reviewing and posting, probably today. It is crazy!! Be sure to check back.
@trackhoebucket1317
@trackhoebucket1317 4 месяца назад
Nice machine, gonna get one!!
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Where in the country do you live?
@trackhoebucket1317
@trackhoebucket1317 4 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG Kentucky, Harlan County!
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
@@trackhoebucket1317 ok great!! A guy in the comments said his local dealer can't sell the 100 they just got because it's too big for their area. (Mass) Sounds fishy to me, but maybe worth a try on getting a deal?? There is a line waiting for them out here in Colorado. Thanks for watching!
@trackhoebucket1317
@trackhoebucket1317 4 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG what was the price of that unit?
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
@@trackhoebucket1317 Not sure they want me to say exactly...but, It will be very close to the MSRP of a Kubota 97, in your geography. I would think somewhere right around 100K in your area.
@toddminaga
@toddminaga 4 месяца назад
No promises on the medium settings...hopefully the machine doesn't narc on us when jason plugs it in for diagnostics! 😂
@PawsitiveVibesDogTraining
@PawsitiveVibesDogTraining 4 месяца назад
😂
@Tinfoilhat311
@Tinfoilhat311 4 месяца назад
Nice unit! Would consider it for sure. Let's see it in action! Escape hatch is nice. Ground clearance and tracks ability to clear mud is a huge difference. Overall, I like the build. Dealer support? Lots of questions. I'll find out soon enough.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Yes, impressive machine! I will keep everyone updated on the support. My Yanmar excavator has had excellent support from this dealer (Riverbend Equipment) so far.
@Tinfoilhat311
@Tinfoilhat311 4 месяца назад
@diggindeeperPCG I bought a T66 last year, and I do like it. Wish it had more power and hydraulic flow ( says everyone ). It does exactly what I bought it for and no DEF! However, my wife has decided she would rather have it than the S185 for her horse operation. So I hope to demo one soon. I really don't want to spend 125k, but you know the wife will get her way! Lol, I live near San Antonio, so there is no shortage of equipment dealers.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
@@Tinfoilhat311 This machine new, should be closer to 100K. For the cost, the foot pounds and horsepower are unbeatable.
@4rubberzaday
@4rubberzaday 3 месяца назад
Yanmar makes some quality equipment I just have the little sub compact tractor but I paid $11k compared to $23k through Deere and holland
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 3 месяца назад
Just had the 1000 hour check-up on my Yanmar mini-ex. We operate it in extreme conditions at over 11K ft. It checked out perfectly!!
@user-zr7cc9co5x
@user-zr7cc9co5x 4 месяца назад
ASV skid steer in red with needed improvements that make servicing better.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Many other changes as well. All of the negatives of the ASV track system have been changed/improved as well. More to come on other machines as well...stay tuned and thank you for watching.
@Grggeorge
@Grggeorge 4 месяца назад
Still cheap made steel in rear if you hit something it’s getting a dent or big dent
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
@@Grggeorge Thanks for watching and commenting!
@Grggeorge
@Grggeorge 3 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG no problem I havnt found one that’s perfect I like the controls on asv but its also light in the back for weight just why cant one of the manufacturers get it all perfect
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 3 месяца назад
@@Grggeorge That is in fact an interesting question and is technical in nature. This machine, is hopefully just what we needed, due to the fact most machines are too butt heavy for the steep grades we work on. Counterweights are great for increasing the specs on lifting capacity, but make the machine too butt heavy for many applications. I think it is fair to say, more than 1 machine might be needed depending on application...unfortunetly.
@DixieNormous1
@DixieNormous1 4 месяца назад
You can tell they merged with ASV. I have a 2023 ASV RT 50 and there’s some things on the inside that look just like it.. I would like to get a hold of that guy about adding a foot throttle to my machine. He seemed very knowledgeable ,It has the Yanmar engine &the guys at ASV are pretty rude, I called ASV in Minnesota direct last week ,he said it couldn’t be done. Seems weird the same horsepower tractor has a foot throttle ,so I should be able to get the pedal and throttle position sensor.
@technicalitems731
@technicalitems731 4 месяца назад
Why wouldn't these CTL have foot throttles? Huh?? Why leave that off?
@DixieNormous1
@DixieNormous1 4 месяца назад
@@technicalitems731 not sure, guy at the manufacturer I talked to said their meant to run wide open all the time 🧐
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
@@technicalitems731does have foot throttle. I guess the ASV does not. That may have been one of the improvements.
@stacyp4534
@stacyp4534 4 месяца назад
When did Yanmar release these? Got dammm Mandela effect I can’t keep up anymore
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
They are extremely limited at this time and very recently released. You are not behind. haha!!
@flipcitydannyboy3989
@flipcitydannyboy3989 2 месяца назад
How to I get the plug out to fill the def?
@rontopping2048
@rontopping2048 4 месяца назад
One sitting at CN wood company in woburn Massachusetts for 3 months. They sell komatsu, yanmar equipment. If it was a 75 or 80 would of been sold by now. Smaller properties in my area.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Thats really interesting because I know there are people waiting in line to buy these. They could sell it in a heartbeat if they put in on Machinery Trader. Also, I heard Yanmar will be coming out with a mid sized model but chose to start with the 100. Not sure why, but I may end up with the other one as well 😃. Thanks for watching Ron!!
@patbrehm7574
@patbrehm7574 4 месяца назад
Would be cool to have a flip up door like an excavator otherwise looks like an awesome machine
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Flip up is nice...and with the swing doors offered by Deere, Yanmar and others you can achieve a pressurized cab, which actually works for thousands of hours. The pull up doors lose their pressurization very quickly. Just sharing something I've learned the hard way. 😂
@DixieNormous1
@DixieNormous1 4 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG you’re definitely right they say the Kubotas with the flip up door are the loudest skid steers on the market
@laneherrlinger7478
@laneherrlinger7478 4 месяца назад
Can’t wait to see it work! How much?
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
I'm not sure what the MSRP is on the unit around the country. But, I will say it will be right in line with the comparable Kubota SVL97-2, depending on your geography. I have a comparison video of the Yanmar vs the Kubota coming out in a few days. There is no comparison, in my opinion. Yanmar put a lot of thought into every little thing.
@laneherrlinger7478
@laneherrlinger7478 4 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG run the heck out of that thing and let us know how it does
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
@@laneherrlinger7478 We will, if it will quit snowing!!
@likeaboss860
@likeaboss860 4 месяца назад
Move the washer fluid reservoir off the door thats robbing visibility in a crucial part of the window.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
It does not rob any part of the view, I was worried as well. The design also allows for the door to be quickly removed and installed.
@johndebrular979
@johndebrular979 4 месяца назад
Needs a roll up door. Won't buy one without it.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Got it! Depending on the type of work you do, a roll-up door does not keep pressurized in the long term. If you work with dirt and want a quite clean cab all day a door is preferred. Unlike John Deere and others, this model does allow for quick removal if that is preferred. They tried to be the best of both worlds.
@colbymcneil2649
@colbymcneil2649 4 месяца назад
Does that wiper fluid tank on the door not impair the view of the bucket?
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
I was also concerned about that at first glance. It does not and it is not in the way at all. The design of it on the door is what allows the door to be easily removed as well. Thanks for watching!!
@scottmcquarrie7295
@scottmcquarrie7295 4 месяца назад
I like the idea of a easily removable door. But I'm still not sure I would ever buy a machine without a roll up door. I can't figure out why a manufacturer would design a machine where the Operator has to look through the door all day. I prefer to have a unhindered vision to the bucket and worksite.
@AllenCrow-ch6qd
@AllenCrow-ch6qd 4 месяца назад
Its basically an ASV with a different track system.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Thanks for watching and commenting
@joedoakes8307
@joedoakes8307 4 месяца назад
What did it cost ? What does it weigh ? can you add extra weights on the back ?
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
It is comparable in MSRP to the Kubota 97. Comparison video dropping next week. it is 10,800 pounds. Let me check on the ability to add counter weights. Our company does not use counter weights due the grades we traverse. But I will check for you.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
No counterweights at this time, per dealer.
@dennisdison8210
@dennisdison8210 4 месяца назад
Same as asv 100 except the undercarriage
@rontopping2048
@rontopping2048 4 месяца назад
Yes and paint, not a secret
@jackofall2305
@jackofall2305 4 месяца назад
The machine looks nice but why put the washer tank on the bottom of the door after telling us about other brands blocking visibility out the door
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Were you able to watch the whole video? The tank does not block visibility and allows the door to be quickly removed. Thank you for watching and commenting!!
@likeaboss860
@likeaboss860 4 месяца назад
The auxiliary hydraulics need a guard those get damaged all the time and they are expensive parts
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
The standard are in the arm and take up the space.
@hoffpauirconcrete.semperfidCC
@hoffpauirconcrete.semperfidCC 4 месяца назад
Nice Machine but I HATE a front door machine dumbest thing ever you cant get out of them unless your loader is all the way down
@digginandbuildinwv7012
@digginandbuildinwv7012 4 месяца назад
I dont think you could stretch your feet forward with the door closed with that washer fluid reservoir at your shins. Im 6'6, id like to get in one and test myself. Does seemlike a well built machine overall.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Did it, done it, most foot/shin room of any skid I would venture to say. Operated the machine yesterday and I'm very impressed.
@digginandbuildinwv7012
@digginandbuildinwv7012 4 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG well that's good then, I'll give it a try
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 3 месяца назад
@@digginandbuildinwv7012 Let us know what you think.
@shanedove3691
@shanedove3691 4 месяца назад
The only thing I, got out the video is Jason saying umm umm the hole time!
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
I'll be sure to let him know!
@reloadnorth7722
@reloadnorth7722 4 месяца назад
Does Yanmar equipment have any issues/failures with the DEF system?
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
I don't have any specifics, but I can tell you a few things. Yamar invented the mini-excavator, John Deere and others are putting Yanmar powerplants in everything that is in their compact categories (mini ex, skids, loaders, etc). They have proven their worthiness to the point other companies have said "screw it" lets just pur Yanmar in our machines. Even if you go with a different company, it has a good chance of being a Yanmar engine. My Yanmar mini ex has had no issues and runs very strong at 1K hours. Hope that helps.
@reloadnorth7722
@reloadnorth7722 4 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG:Thankyou
@FPVForLife
@FPVForLife 4 месяца назад
​@@diggindeeperPCG You got one thing wrong, they did not invent it. Akio Takeuchi did it in 1971. Takeuchis are also great machines, and they also use Yanmar engines.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
@@FPVForLife I'll concede while I conduct more research haha! Thanks for watching!! Appreciate it, a lot!!
@FPVForLife
@FPVForLife 4 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG You're welcome.
@jacobbuckley8232
@jacobbuckley8232 4 месяца назад
Wheres the counter weight?
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
0 seconds ago It is comparable in MSRP to the Kubota 97. Comparison video dropping next week. it is 10,800 pounds. Let me check on the ability to add counter weights. Our company does not use counter weights due the grades we traverse. But I will check for you.
@shieldswindshields
@shieldswindshields 3 месяца назад
I sent you an email about this machine. Let me know if you don't see it :)
@likeaboss860
@likeaboss860 4 месяца назад
I think the bolts on the undercarriage should be countersunk. I see shit like that get sheered off all the time
@justinevans5616
@justinevans5616 4 месяца назад
Whats the cost?
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Around 100K
@patrickcrawford8152
@patrickcrawford8152 4 месяца назад
What was the price?
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
around 100K
@troyb.4101
@troyb.4101 4 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG Some one needs to make a model at about 20k. Prices are unaffordable for like 95% of everyone.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
@@troyb.4101 Kato is the best I've seen for a new machine that isn't for everyday company abuse. Basic with decent abilities.
@troyb.4101
@troyb.4101 4 месяца назад
What is the cost, always should be addressed.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
The cost is up to the dealers around the country to a certain extent. Dealer handling etc...The machine should be in the range of 100K depending.
@survivalguyfyi5718
@survivalguyfyi5718 4 месяца назад
So every time I need to load or unload something off my truck or trailer with chains, I need to remove the door ahead of time. Otherwise I have no way to exit my machine. Useless to me. Depressing. It was looking so good up to that point. I guess Kubota or Kioti/Hyundai are my only options right now.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 3 месяца назад
Oh man that stinks! What trailer are you running?
@survivalguyfyi5718
@survivalguyfyi5718 3 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG Nothing great. A PJ 24 ft gooseneck with dovetail ramps. I also have a 12 ft flatbed dually as well.
@survivalguyfyi5718
@survivalguyfyi5718 3 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG Nothing great. A PJ 24ft Gooseneck with dovetail ramps and an f350 dually cab and chassis with a 12 foot flatbed. I also have a Miller Trailblazer mounted in a steel cage that I load and unload from time to time. I’m active duty so I work my side business on the weekends. Just trying to make enough to pay for my equipment. Then when I retire I hope to have the expensive stuff paid for. At least for a while so I can really get things happening for me.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 3 месяца назад
@@survivalguyfyi5718 Sounds like a good plan to me!! With a 24 foot trailer, why does the bucket need to be raised for hauling?
@survivalguyfyi5718
@survivalguyfyi5718 3 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG Where I run into an issue is if need to load or unload a welder, or generator, or any other heavy item. I typically chain those to the Bucket of my backhoe. No issue there since my door is on the side of my backhoe. With a skidsteer and swing out door. Your bucket has to be all the way down or raised above the cab so you can open your door to exit. That makes it impossible when loading/unloading those things from my trailer. Heck, now that I think about it, I couldn’t even move stuff around in my property that’s chained to my bucket either, which I do quite a bit. Most of the time it’s just me so I don’t have anyone outside my skidsteer than can hook or unhook my Chains for me.
@matthewmeuleman9872
@matthewmeuleman9872 4 месяца назад
thay are a rebadged ASV vt 100
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Not quite...Many enhancements since Yanmar bought ASV and moved to MN.
@snorelacks7069
@snorelacks7069 2 месяца назад
@@diggindeeperPCG Actually it's virtually identical to the current ASV VT100, but with a CTL undercarriage and Yanmar paint scheme....engine, dump height, dump angle, pumps, machine length, fuel capacity, etc. any differences are going to be driven by the engineering changes needed to marry up a different U/C.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 2 месяца назад
@@snorelacks7069 Thank you for watchng and commenting!!
@straycat9754
@straycat9754 3 месяца назад
A red ASV with conventional tracks mounted on a flimsey suspension? C'mon man...
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 3 месяца назад
I've heard that before. We will put it to the test in extreme conditions and see what happens. It does have a 4 yr 4000 hour warranty...so if it breaks, it will be fixed.
@cyumadbrosummit3534
@cyumadbrosummit3534 4 месяца назад
So Yanmar is having ASV make their CTLs now instead of Gehl. Well I hope it holds up better than the last piece of junk Yanmar track loader I bought new that blew it's Bosch fuel rail overpressure relief in its first 30 hours of operation. Absolute junk.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Interesting. Thanks for watching!!
@user-tp6jx3wf6d
@user-tp6jx3wf6d 4 месяца назад
Just to clarify the first run of skids and ctls were built by manitou and mustang. T175,t210,220r etc. Yanmar acquired ASV in 2019 and built a brand new manufacturing plant and headquarters in Minnesota. Quite impressive and U.S.A. built equipment with Japanese technology.
@iainhetherington4608
@iainhetherington4608 4 месяца назад
Ho hum , nothing mentioned about the controls guessing they are electric over Hydraulic bloody useless
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Yes, this allows for some newer technology that is very helpful for some companies. I do understand not everyone is a fan (including one of my guys).
@MrSeadawg123
@MrSeadawg123 4 месяца назад
Looks like another piece of junk. You are going to hate that entry door!
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Interesting...Thanks for watching
@ronaldspeaks4754
@ronaldspeaks4754 4 месяца назад
Could have not play that stupid so called music
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
We will change up the style for you on the next video. Thanks for watching Ron!!
@troyb.4101
@troyb.4101 4 месяца назад
LMFAO, people thinking just like I do!
@swancini
@swancini 4 месяца назад
I also have a Yanmar that has had no issues 1000 hours. Money maker! VIO55
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
Solid machines!!
@littleclod
@littleclod 4 месяца назад
First one east side of Mississippi here I’ve had the same machine since December. I’ve had quite a few problems with mine. It’s got 44hrs on it and it’s April 3 today. Let ya know how much it’s been on the job site…not much. Issues with parking brake has got everyone scratching their heads for 3 weeks now…won’t move Mostly tinkering issues like brass grease fittings on undercarriage that have been replaced steel ones that broke off. Loading truck first day on job and was stuck in cab for an hr or so because it threw a code while bucket was dump position over in the bed of a truck. I like the machine …I just should have waited for another year for them to get bugs out.
@diggindeeperPCG
@diggindeeperPCG 4 месяца назад
@@littleclod Oh boy! I will let you know what we find on ours.
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