WE LIVED IN A SOCIETY - The Bigger Picture 

In retrospect, I can't possibly think of a happier ending to this whole mess than Parasite winning best picture.

Can someone pay Mark Hamill to go up to Todd Phillips and tell him "If you have to explain the joke, THERE IS NO JOKE!" Please? I'll gladly contribute.

Normally, I'd say I'll keep playing this video in the background however many times it takes to get back at WB's crappy corporate who likes cancelling everything people actually like... but then again, in THIS case, it might actually just be the Joker fanboys getting way too serious and doing takedowns on their own...

5:16 One major (or minor) exception to that for Batman villains: Professor Hugo Strange. Started off as a mad scientist before Denny O'Neill reimagined him as Sigmund Freud's evil twin in the 1970s, a version that got brought to the modern era by Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy in the Batman storyline Prey. How he was in the game Arkham City is a unique Batman opponent: a guy who beats Batman without a costume, alter ego or weird gimmick, just pure psychological torture.

As kids, you idolize Batman. When you're a grown-up, you realize broccoli tastes good and TV has lied to you.

Hey WB, if you put as much effort into making a movie as you do striking these down people who say things you don't like, your problem might solve itself.

I don't know why but the phrase "we *lived* in a society" just cracks me up every time I read it.

Reupload? Well "fair use" is never going work properly with youtube. Appreciate you Bob for putting in the effort to reedit then reupload to avoid copy right issues.

You'd think that people who want Joker talked about would want to keep up videos talking about Joker.

Please RU-vid, just let our boy live.

"We Lived In A Society" did we? I hardly noticed, sure wish someone spoke up about it

I actually didn't realize this was a reupload until after I'd watched the whole video and saw the comments. Oh well, it was great regardless.

Rewatch, relike, and comment once more for Al Gore's rhythm.

I think though we can definitely say that the PR and marketing department did a bang up job for this movie. Golf star.

I still remember when Bob's follow-up video to Joker, when uploaded to the Escapist's RU-vid page, was filled with comments about how Bob just "didn't get it" and giving lengthy screeds about why Joker is deep, meaningful and relevant. I have to wonder if these people are still just as passionately devoted to Joker as they were back then...

Joker definitely said one half of an important thing; the old saw "Batman and the Joker need each other more than either would care to admit" here's hoping this is the posting that stands the test of time. thanks, Bob

I finally got around to watching the original right before the reupload. Oh well, I'll watch it again.

Great review! If you get a chance, and an inclination to take a fresh look at an older, tragically overlooked movie that is equally emotionally impacting and exemplary as a work unto itself as "Up" was, when you first watched it, before the messiness of context complicated things, I recommend Jim Henson's "The Tale of the Bunny Picnic". Like any of his best works, the characters, story, and world are full of life, and it is a great shame that they are all but forgotten. I also posit, along with this recommendation, that it is precisely the movie we, all humans, all of us, everywhere, needed to remember in 2020, and that the next best time for it to be remembered is now.

Jeez. Another reupload. (WB seriously has a grudge against MovieBob… oy…)

I had people warning me that I would be disturbed or something before I watched this movie. I just found it boring.

unironically Dora > Joker

So sensitive, these big corporations.. It's a wonder they make anything with some soul in them. Oh wait..

WTF did this get taken down? Damn. That's a shame. Well no help for it I guess I'll just "have to" watch a something I enjoyed again oh woe is me.

Joker was fine in my opinion not great certainly not Oscar winning worthy but a fun gritty thriller with which oh hey a gritty take on a batman villain without batman and only the slightest hints of it being a comic book movie!

I'll make the same criticism that Bob makes about anyone who disagrees with him politically and state the obvious - he thinks there's no point to the movie because he's missed the point. I think if you haven't actually experienced the way that mental illness goes untreated and is swept under the rug its easy to dismiss it and be snarky and supercillious about any attempt to use it as a part of a movie's narrative

Warner Brothers: The *Only Reason* I watched -Joker -Batman V Superman -Justice League Snyder Cut Is because I wanted to be in conversation with Moviebob’s opinions on the subject. Let the man upload his thoughts, goddam.

that opening text made me chuckle... classic Bob

Years after i watched this in the theatre i still haven't made up my mind whether or not this movie is good or not. I know when it came on streaming i had no desire to revisit it, which i guess tells me what i need to know. I think it was way too self-aware to be truly enjoyable. When fleck refers to himself as a 'mentally ill loner' that made me wince. Bob said it in the video, it's reciting the language but doesn't understand it. A guy who is dissociative enough to put on clown makeup wouldn't refer to himself as mentally ill. That's not how it works.

Gonna keep watching this as many times as it takes to, well, take.

I'm split about the Joker 2019. On one hand, I liked it more than I thought I would and I liked a lot of the film's ideas; on the other hand, I would've preferred a Joker origin film that was closer to the original comic origin, or at least an origin film that tried to explain the origin of The Dark Knight's Joker. I would've even preferred a Joker origin that was done in the style of a classic noir gangster film or a bloody Shakespearean tragedy. Writing good supervillains, even complex and sympathetic ones, is a delicate art, and it's easy to screw up if the writer is all over the place and unfocused with what they want the villain to be. The animated series, for instance, though it only hinted at the Joker's origin, gave well-developed and sympathetic origin stories for the Riddler, Two-Face, Clayface, and Mr. Freeze. What I liked about those origin episodes was that Batman had sympathy for what happened to the villains, but he still had to fight them when he had to. Sometimes, Batman was able to help the villains get some justice, like when he exposed Mr. Freeze's boss, Ferris Boyle, for kicking Freeze into the chemicals and covering it up. While Batman saved the Ridder's egotistical boss, Daniel Mockridge, from getting killed by the Riddler, he showed no sympathy when Mockridge spent the rest of his nights lying in fear of the Riddler coming after him. Batman kept trying to reach out and help Two-Face, since they were best friends as Bruce and Harvey, and still kept trying to help him even when Two-Face kept pushing him away. I don't think Clayface got justice for what his employer, Roland Daggett, did to him, though Batman knew he was responsible, and the police nearly arrested Daggett for his crimes. Of course, Marvel came up with some great sympathetic and complex supervillains themselves, as seen in Magneto and a few others. Magneto started out as a campy supervillain, but became more and more complex over the years, and was given a sympathetic motivation to show why he distrusted non-mutants so much. Even the antiheroes of Watchmen still provide good ideas on how to develop a supervillain: even if the supervillain is in the form of a superhero who believes himself to be good. The trick is to make the villains understandable, but still show that they are too far gone to be reasonable, redeemable, or likable. Satirical superhero stories, like The Venture Bros., though humorous, do a good job in making supervillains who are ruthless, reactionary, and homicidal into relatable characters. The Monarch and Phantom Limb are prime examples of such villains. No matter how menacing and terrible a supervillain is, they're really are just maladjusted nuts with gimmicks who don't know how to function any other way. The thing about the Joker as a villain is that he's supposed to be a regular person who gets disfigured and loses his sanity by swimming in chemicals after a failed attempt at petty robbery. The chemicals specifically make him look like a clown by making his skin white, lips red, and hair green. Once he's been turned into clown-like man, he becomes a murderous clown-themed villain just for the thrill of it. He's supposed to be some nobody who becomes the most horrifying supervillain imaginable purely by accident, and he could be anybody. Joker 2019 had some very good ideas, but if it wanted to be more profound, it needed to go further. It's all well enough to have Phoenix's Joker first start out as a tragic character who wants to avenge himself for bad circumstances, but why make him just a misunderstood character driven to madness and murder? I mean, I know other Batman villains, like Mr. Freeze, Riddler, and others were driven to be bad by the same circumstances, but is that what the Joker is about? As we've seen from many Joker stories, he's mainly motivated to pull off murderous pranks for the fun of it and to attract attention for it. How do you make the Joker relatable but still detestable? If one were to rewrite Joker 2019, you'd have to establish the Joker first as a relatable, everyday person, but then have some trigger make him want to done the Joker identity: something other than being misunderstood or wanting revenge. He would enjoy playing the Joker, and start playing him more and more, but then he plays the role to the point that he can't stop being the Joker. The more he dons the Joker identity, the less sympathetic and the more cruel he becomes. Maybe being stuck in the Joker role could be caused by an unspecified multiple personality disorder that the Joker's character didn't know he had. Eventually, near the end of the movie, the Joker's old personality is gone, and the Joker's new personality has taken over. A character losing himself into a new, drastically different personality would be the metaphorical toxic chemicals the new Joker would fall into. There are precedents for developing a tragic villain this way. Shakespeare's Macbeth started out as a admirable man before he murdered King Duncan. Once Macbeth killed his king and his best friend, he became a self-serving tyrant who provoked everybody against him. Marlowe's Doctor Fautus started as an admirable genius, and then, after his pact with Mephistopheles, turns into a bored, superpowered man who can have anything but is unfulfilled, and suffers an existential crisis because of that. If you want to make the Joker terrifying and relatable, just show how becoming the Joker could cause anybody to lose their sense of self, and their soul in the process. One way to explore how a Joker origin film could've been done would be to host a creative writing contest among aspiring scriptwriters, have them read their scripts, and have a discussion over what character and plot ideas work and what doesn't work. I'd go to such a creative writing event if you hosted it, Mr. Chipman.

WB cares WAY too much about people remembering their movies.

Engagement Comment for the Dread RU-vid Algorithm! I will never care about the Joker, and people trying to hype him up as the Ultimate Batman Villain make me not care even more.

Rent free Bob.....Rent free

No matter how often this receives a strike, I will watch and like.

If there’s ever a movie I’m NOT shocked absolutely came and went while leaving almost no impact on the industry or genre…

Bob can keep reuploading these and I'll just keep rewatching them, I don't care.

nice to see this all together

Rewatch, shout out if there's any updates from the future within this video. That's 90% of the reason I watch these compilations and I recall the original not having any of those updates

This guy pretty much echoed how I felt about Joker. It’s just a nothing movie with nothing really to say trying to revitalize a classic villain that had a damn good main actor attached fortunately and some very scummy people unfortunately attached to it.

Joker reminded me of Family Guy. in that it made a lot of references most of its audience didn't catch, and thus gave it credit for. How many people alive today have seen the King of Comedy? not as many as have seen Joker. How many people have watched Crosby and Hope sing Road to Morocco? not as many as have seen Stewie and Brian sing Road to Rhode Island.

The good thing about the nomination for me is that it credited Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson. Never enough credit to those two.

Harleen is still my favorite interpretations of the Joker. I'm super bias though...

I will never understand how a movie that did absolutely nothing to distinguish itself got held up to such "controversy." Pheonix was good in it, but he's fun to see in anything he's in, so that wasn't even new... um... (how do you dance offstage in text?)

Okay, WTAH? Is the WBD social media team so scared for their job that they're pulling this BS on a fairly minor RU-vidr (saying this as a Patreon subscriber who still acknowledges Mr. Chipman's worth)? Sounds like you got bigger problems your boss is ignoring.

It's funny, the two people I know that love Falling Down and Joker are Democratic, politically active, pro LGBT+, activist black women.

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual white males and there is their rage." - the Jokester

The point about Joker being set in the 80s is Bob playing the hits. Great analysis.

Oy... Warner Brothers is bein' a pill again.

I still haven't even bothered to watch _Joker,_ just because of _all the damn stuff_ going on around it exhausted me so much it sapped any and all care about the movie from me. I guess someday I'll probably watch it. Or not, I really don't know.

Warn/Dic fucking with your uploads, AGAIN?

If the world was a just and kind place this video would be an Extra on the Joker DVD box set.

Is this a re-upload? I swear I saw this already. Good stuff though.

It now somewhat pains me to see that they're currently filming Joker 2, with Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn (there's a report on the Escapist). I'm now dreading a repeat of this whole rigmarole... Good thing I'm not seriously on Social Media!

I wonder what had to get cut

I guess that since Joker 2019 is coming up on 5yrs since its release, YT decided to remind me of the times that I thought that movie kinda sucked 🙃🤷🏾‍♂️😅

Come on WB, I'm just going to keep watching it so stop sending out the flying monkeys to take these videos down.

Ah shit is WBD being pissy about your videos again?

0:27 "The bodies of the researchers... were never found."

I remember people wandering the streets in clown masks and thinking, isn't Joker a murdering psychopath? I wouldn't want to emulate that. Have some engagement, Bob. 😊😊😊

Wow, Bob cannot get a large upload to stay up.

"Old man yells at cloud" is still pretty much the perfect description of Bob's reactions to the Joker movie. Ironically.

You may say it was about nothing, but if that was the case how did you make an almost hour long commentary video on it?

Why so serious Bob? 😅

deja vu

Rewatching

Positive comment

Ideas can be killed. Murder enough people, and even the most memetic ideas die.

The sad truth is that the same fanboys who love this movie to death are the first people to condemn any rioting done by marginalized groups. Movies like this don't exist for women, lgbt+, or poc.

For the algorithm!

I have nothing to add but here is the comment for the almighty algorithm

Let's be real. If this exact same movie had come out, same story, same beats, same score, same plot points, but the Joker were played by a black actor, the "anti woke" crowd that was instructed to love it, would hate it same call it "woke."

Second verse, same as the first!

I do not remember seeing this clip in this video, so I feel the need to post it here. It just feels right somehow, not good. Certainly not good, but right. ru-vid.comUgkxFXFwhoPgqgwu-8b747nDPrlscjWLl_Cg

gamers are the truly oppressed minority

WILL WE EVER ESCAPE THIS SOCIETY?!?!?!?

Again?

Joker grossed $1 Billion at the box office. This video only has 11K views. I think we know who "won."

34:03 Haha... Bottom.

I watch it again.

When is the Dora the explorer movie coming out?

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Ta 👍💚

Warner Bros is the ***best***…

Loved Chapo Trap House reference. They're great 👍

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So this like bobs hot take on ghost busters, he takes his interpretation as the word of God. Allen moore has had some good points, if you enjoyed fight club cause you thought it was macho don't let bob think for you. Of course the Joker's awful. You'd have to be a writer on Harley Quinn to not get that (that's a joke, that shows fine).

If joker was a bad movie, why isn't birds of prey also a bad movie?

So mediocre

"Parasite isn't about while male rage because it stars yellow people." - Moviebob

Jojo rabbit was made by a maori-jewish man, but sure, white male rage

I, for one, never get tired of Bob showing movie clips that attempt to make his musings more profound. Nope. Not at all.

Gotta thumbs down again? Fine.

You live at Arby's.

Joker is a damn good movie you crazy

"The far left whatever that means" LOLOLOL let me help you out there Bob, if you want Republicans dead you are far left LOL