We need to talk about GNOME. 

Whenever I use KDE I miss GNOME and whenever I use GNOME I miss KDE.

I couldn’t care less about what DE or WM someone uses. Linux is all about CHOICE, and if GNOME is what someone chooses then more power to them. It’s none of my business. 🤷‍♂️

Gnome really killed my DE hopping and WM hopping. I used to use KDE plasma but I was doing more customizing rather then doing the job. I love vanilla gnome for its simplicity and usability.

Don't try stock gnome! You'll get stock-gnome syndrome! (just kidding)

That feeling when you realize Gnome changed 8 years ago, and you are still calling it "the new Gnome UI" 🤐 Feeling old...

Gnome has come a long way, but I'm still happy with XFCE or LXQT.

Whenever I think about installing GNOME or KDE, I think again and stick with XFCE.

When the desktop icons were abolished, I missed them for about a week. By now, I can't stand them.

tip: turn off the places you don't need to search, from gnome settings, the search will become faster.

Moved from GNOME 3 to KDE Plasma. Never look back

After using Xfce I can't really go back to gnome(Gnome somehow feels restrictive even after using tweak tools).

Hey new Gnome users. Learn the keyboard shortcuts. It makes all the difference. 👍

Gnome has caused me some headache, but its simplicity saved me a lot of headache. One thing I love is the adwaita theme. Just unifies the system with code editor themes and looks pretty and modern.

Because it's not a gnoblin, not a gnelf. Also, you've been gnomed.

The host is missing a really important point about how Gnome changed when he says "Gnome isn't meant to be used like that". A lot of the users who were using Gnome back when Gnome shell first dropped, had been using Gnome since it's first iteration. What we wanted from Gnome were bug fixes. We got a whole new UI instead. Which wasn't even targeted at the core user base. It was very clearly targeted at tablet users and still is. So Gnome devs burned their core users and just cast them aside. That's always going to leave a bad taste. Gnome devs then made that situation worse by deliberately breaking compatibility with third party themes. Even with minor updates themes used to break. And there was no good reason for it. And as far as I can remember. Third party extensions were never really meant to be a thing either. Nautilus used to be one of the most powerful file managers that could be found on a Linux desktop. Now it's been gutted to the point where it can't even create a text file without the user taking the time to create a template first. For a text file. Gnome devs think this is an amazingly powerful feature. Do you want to deploy a desktop background system-wide for all users? In the old days you could just drop that wallpaper in /usr/share/backgrounds and it'd be there for all to use. Now you need to edit 2 XML config files before Gnome will even see the thing.

GNOME: Making "You're using it wrong"TM open source.

I find GNOME absolutely horrendous to use because it feels like it's meant for touchscreen instead of mouse and keyboard just like the disastrous windows 8

Great video! I don't hate Gnome. But there are somethings which I don't like about Gnome. 1) Very thick title bars/multiple title bars. When I'm opening Firefox, I'll have 1 Gnome bar, 1 firefox title bar and 1 Firefox tab bar. This gives the impression that 1.5 inch of the screen is basically wasted. Also, the title bars in gnome is quite thick by default. I changed it by using Dash to Panel extension 2) The floating side panel thing - I don't like it poking out as it's distracting. The goal of a DE is to be practically invisible but yet allow him to focus on his work. 3) The activities tab - When I press it, there is too much motion and change in the screen. I rather have simple static previewable windows in the bottom. However, Gnome's Alt-tab is fine. I changed it by using the Arc menu extension. Other than these gripes, I have no problems with Gnome which make it "unusable". There are plenty of keyboard shortcuts for power-users. It's snappy. PS : I don't use Gnome very often. I use i3 :P

What keeps bringing me back to gnome is the keyboard shortcuts, workspaces, and mostly the way it LOOKS. Once you theme it how you want it, it looks and feels great! Unlike KDE and XFCE for me, that never look and feel right to me even after months of tweaking. Still, I like Cinnamon the best. But sadly Gnome and Cinnamon are the only DEs that dont make me feel like using the computer is Chinese Water Torture. Constant, subtle annoyances that end up making me feel like losing my mind.

Modern gnome feels slow. I can forgive a lot of other things, but I absolutely hate when GUI is anything less than lightning fast.

I just can't switch away from gnome. Every time I use a other DE I miss the finish, simplicity en consistentie. I'm currently using Zorin OS( About a weak before that Pop OS also love that os) and love it, I just changed the start menu to the gnome overview.

Respect to the Zorin devs for making it usable! I'll stick with KDE though. It's exactly what I want from a DE.

HAHAHAHA Man I love your video! I came back to Linux after almost 8 years and that is exactly what happened when trying different distros and DE. At some point I installed Ubuntu and spent 3 DAYS installing extensions, customizing them... and still some things were amiss or at the end it was awesome as I would like but the animations were awful so I turned them off... then I thought on the 4th day when testing Mandriva with KDE "You know what?! Screw Ubuntu with Gnome" and formated the partition, installed Mint with Cinnamon and in 1 hour I did the same I already did in 3 work days of Gnome 3 to make it work like that. If you ask me Manjaro with Gnome3 come with almost all the important extensions, so you can customize them out the box and feels wayyy better and natural. The fun fact is... why keep beating a dead horse? Why keep doing something one way when most people will go for changing it ASAP? Gnome3 should come by default with at least some options/extensions and try to have them in mind when updating.

tbh gnome is quite alien to me , im sticking with xfce here . if i have to change my de , maybe i will go for kde or window manager instead where i can customize to make my workflow as efficient as possible while keeping resources aplenty . but until there is an absolute necessity for me to step away from xfce , i will stick to the mouse 4.14 .

Gnome is a kind of okay DE, but when I switched from GDM+Gnome to LightDM+Xfce it felt so much lighter and faster. Definitely noticable.

I used to use Gnome, I do like the environment. I was curious about tiling WMs so I tried i3, I love it and prefer the workflow and will probably not go back.

Here are my two cents on Gnome: Firsly, the start menu/launchpad thing. I don't see how being fullscreen gives it more functionality. Ironically the windows start menu has shown that you don't need a fullscreen menu to include programs, files and web search results. Besides not needing it to be this big, it is simply uncomfortable having all the icons so far apart (most FPS players have fairly low mouse sensitivity, at least csgo players), so that results in way bigger movements to achieve something that is easier in other DEs. Secondly, other desktop environments also serve its purpose well without a lot of customization (I personally use mostly stock KDE with only minor theming and the start menu closer to that of older Windows versions), but at least those are customizable. Gnome seems like it's hacked together and almost falling apart with the little customizability it has to offer. (and requiring javascript extensions) And last but not least, I personally believe a DE should be complete with and without keyboard shortcuts. I'm a guy who uses relatively few shortcuts, but with many major and beginner distros using Gnome by default newcomers who are used to Windows (and therefore probably fewer shortcuts) will most likely be struggling when their system is not mouse-oriented. ps: blah blah not native english speaker, hopefully my point gets across. 100% subjective though, I won't judge gnome users

Used GNOME for most of the time I'd known Linux, tried KDE a few weeks ago and can't really go back anymore. It might be a bit more buggy from time to time, but it more than makes up for it with the customization and utilities.

Last Plasma KDE: run fast and use low ram, web browsers can show thumbnails in upload and save dialogs, is simply the best desktop actually.

Hi there, I'm not a regular GNOME user personally but I also tried it and understand your points of view, so I'd like to answer some of your arguments. - On GNOME being "resource-heavy": I agree with you that this is past history and I also find GNOME to be perfectly acceptable on that side nowadays. However, I wouldn't place it on the "light" side either, it still rather heavy compared to other DEs. The fact that you can disable animations using an extension shouldn't be an argument, as it just shouldn't be necessary in the first place. - On features and customization: what I would say is this is a design choice that was made and you're just not forced to use it if you don't like that, that's the beauty of Linux. However, I don't personally think any reason could forgive the fact of removing crucial elements like tray icons by default - and the fact that you can download some obscure extension to do that job doesn't fix the problem: the desktop will seem unusable for a new user who depends on tray icons and don't know about extensions. - On general design: I agree that having a tablet-ish interface isn't an actual problem. However, I think that "GNOME IS KEYBOARD CENTRIC" is a plain LIE used to answer all UI problems: I can have the exact same shortcuts on any other DE, most of the time out of the box, and WITH the ability to change them if I want. People should just stop using this argument. - On themes: the reason most themes doesn't feel right is that Adwaita being baked into GTK, the themes need to overwrite ALL of the properties set by this very messy and bloated theme. To conclude, I would say that GNOME is definitely not for everyone, as you already said. While the full-screen UI and very limited customization are design decisions that I think should be respected, I still struggle to find any relevant reasons to use GNOME daily. I hope this answer was helpful, bye !

A while ago it suddenly dawned on me that almost all the really major distros (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, ...) were using GNOME as their default desktop. I thought there had to be a reason behind that and decided to really give it a shot. And lo and behold, after watching a few videos about the intended workflow (keyboard shortcuts, workspaces, etc.) I began to see GNOME in a new light. It really is quite a usable and comfortable desktop. Yes, it demands more RAM than say, XFCE, but really, which PC from within the last ten years will struggle with that? That said, I also love minimal and resource-friendly desktops such as Openbox, IceWM, etc. Both approaches have their merits.

In reality (in the most technical terms), the best desktop environment is the one you want/need to use. Whatever serves your purposes and meets your needs (as the end user, organization, administrator, etc) is the best tool for the job. There are also different people who like a variety of different things and are comfortable with different ways of doing things. It is great to have options.

I don’t care what people use, but gnome just isn’t for me. There are so many settings that just aren’t easily accessible with a vanilla install. Meanwhile on kde plasma I can do my basic setup in 10 minutes. Gnome is just too bare bones and feels incomplete with important settings hard to access.

I'm a Kde user, but these are good points and many I'd never thought about.

"If you launch a lot of apps the animations become kind of clunky" Bruh, on my laptop the animations were like that without any apps, only with GNOME itself.

All I'm going to say is thank goodness for Mate.

Imagine not using a tiling window manager

"Of course when you add that many extensions to a working system its bound to break" I can count the number of extensions that I've had break on me with one shop teachers hand. Things like dash to dock or dash to panel have been very stable for me for several years.

i like gnome for being very approachable to newbies. i think it's much easier than stock KDE, and apps are more coherent in design. in kde some settings are spread across multiple places, maybe it's a bit better now. it may feel restricted in its customizability and how they break extensions now and then, but it's imho perfect for people sticking to clean, stock experience who have little experience with computers.

I heavily disagree with many of your points. 1. You've said alot of functionality was moved to extensions, but then said don't expect things to work between updates if you used extensions. 2. Taskbar icons for applications are mandatory. Some applications have that as their only ui presence and not having them makes those applications unusable, having that moved to an extension that "might break whenever" isn't acceptable. 3. A cut down settings menu isn't a plus, its a huge detriment. I hate having to look up console commands, config files, or extensions to change something that should be a checkbox in the settings menu. KDE has the right idea (although it could be more organized). 4. Awidata is space inefficient and therefore a terrible theme. Its acceptable as a default and doesn't look too bad but when its the only theme and everything has thick bars with generous padding it really wastes alot of usable space with no viable way to compact it besides getting a higher resolution monitor. 5. The issue with windows stealing focus from KRunner can be adjusted but changing the window focus stealing rules in the KDE settings. (I don't remember having this issue in the past though) 6. The new icon theme is inferior to the previous one, not that it couldn't have been further improved (that creepy cheese icon), but this is a backwards step, I dislike flat styled icons. I originally got into linux because of 2 things, colored folders and compiz fusion. Stuff that makes my computer more enjoyable to use while also helping reduce the needed steps to complete a task are what I value. Most of what gnome seems to work towards is in conflict to that. Not that it's *terrible*, but I don't see myself ever using it over KDE.

2:49 that's a lag? LOL

I don't hate gnome I am just more used to windows look I can't get used to gnome at all

I've a friend who uses GNOME on Arch - he keeps whining about how GNOME shell rapidly climbs from 80MB to well over 1.2GB+ of RAM usage within just moments of him dragging some windows around on screen.

"not how youre supposed to use gnome" alright thats the nail in the coffin

Nope gnome still is not optimized for touch devices. It also has keyboard shortcuts and it's a good thing to use the screen for more important stuff. The only downside I see is its apps, their development progress is so slow and they usually lack some features.

I personally hate the Gnome3 DE, and idk completely why tbh, it looks ugly to me, I don't like how it feels, I guess the lack of features help as well, probably because I'm so used to KDE.

I don't know why most platforms abandoned the desktop metaphor. It was so productive and easy to learn. Gnome 2 was great.

I'm a type of user that prefers to get bare minimum and customize it to the point of usability, rather than get a fully-functional DE and spend half a day disabling so many features. GNOME is especially bad because if you want to customize anything you have to install a plugin. But ok, thanks to this video I understood why it's stock DE in most popular distros.

Pantheon DE on Elementary OS in my opinion is much better than Gnome

I don't hate Gnome but I don't like to use it. Mate and Cinnomon is my favorit

For me Gnome is the only DE for a long time now. Vanilla without any extensions, as you recommended. Hot corner (or what) is one of the best things anyone ever invented. Excellent video, keep up the good work dude!

The biggest problem with GNOME and GTK for developer is that the documentation often sucks and is not available. Doing real stuff is very complicated. Write your own text widget and you know what i'm talking about. The CSS theming is still totally undocumented after 5 years and there are no tutorials. Just man pages that give detail but never concepts and bird view design descriptions.

Wolfgang: That feature exist, just use an extantion. Also Wolfgang: Don't install to many extantions, it will break with the next update. Why the f should I use this DE?

Deepin might not be particularly resource efficient, but I love how it looks and that’s why I use it. I think a DE doesn’t need to be the fastest, most efficient ever to be a good DE. There’s other reasons why something can be nice.

Gnome is still imo my favourite for usage on laptops with touchpad or touchscreen.

12:40 this is basically what Zorin OS does. Coming from Windows, my first distro was Zorin, as it is marketed as a Windows-replacement. Trying to use it like Windows is a nightmare. Desktop icons don't properly align, tray is constantly glitching, the bottom panel is very limited and clunky for a Windows panel, every time I switched keyboard input, it would freeze for a moment, and there were many other issues. Since this was my first experience with Linux, I actually thought this was how Linux is in general: buggy, underdeveloped, a poor man's Windows. Soon enough I switched to Cinnamon and it was like a day/night difference. So I'm on Linux Mint now and am quite happy. Now, for me going back to Windows wasn't an option, so I was willing to stick with Linux through all the difficulties, but others might be put off by something like this. Perhaps Zorin should stop trying to pass off Gnome for something it isn't. It's arguably doing a disservice to both Linux and Gnome, pushing Windows users away from Linux.

I think nowadays Gnome and KDE are worse than derivatives like budgie or mate, at least from my pov, they are heavier and way more buggy

I think this ended up turning a bit into a GNOME apology. Just take the example of settings. So a laptop user cannot set what happens when you close the lid in the standards settings app. I don't think this has anything to do with philosophy but an unwillingness to listen. I'm not sure if you've ever tried to positively engage with GNOME development or suggest improvements. You likely to run against a wall and that's what has left many frustrated. Even upstream patches from independent developers get rejected because they contradict a false decision from the past. You should have also mentioned that GNOME dev do not advocate or support extensions. In fact they are opposed to them. So the argument that they took something away but its still there to install is not true. These extensions are not supported and can cause serious performance breakage because the can take the whole display-server down.

I use GNOME at work. It gets the job done - quite literally. I'm fast, things actually work, no problems.

Gnome 3’s padding is just too much in low res screens it looks horrible. Ubuntu kinda tried to improve it but it’s all orange theme reminds me of things o hate. And also, feet Ubuntu. Lol You just said that it’s not that resource heavy by looking at just the gnome-shell process. It’s not done that way and even that alone can climb up to a gig pretty soon. They do fix and optimise to some extent on every release but the point release will break them all. For example, Fedora 30 actually was nice during release. But the later point releases ducked it up. 3.34 is nearing future freeze and already gnome shell is now behaving the same way like it did before. It became even more resource hungry. I could go on and on. I like Gnome 3 a lot. Except it’s name. And I even use it time to time. But one just can’t miss to appreciate the KDE plasma team. It’s friggin awesome. Btw, it’s XFCE* 6:50

I have been away from gnome some time for trying the ditch of tiling (i3). I must say I’m impressed what you get out of the box of stock gnome. Learn the basic key bindings and you have a really good power environment with tiling capabilities that looks really good.

I just don't get what's supposed to be the flow Gnome 3 proposes to me. Back when it was released, I actually tried to get used to it without extensions, but it doesn't seem helpful? Plusit is such an extreme waste of screen real state. It's not like I was close minded and over-focused on a particular workflow back then. It was only a couple of years since I got used to Gnome 2.0 from Windows XP. And after failing with Gnome 3.0 I actually learned Unity and got used to THAT workflow. I think Unity is a much better example of a desktop that sacrificed usability in order to provide an efficient, effective and honestly revolutionary default work flow. Gnome meanwhile seems to be rather directionless. Plus their push towards removing menu bars and replacing them with toolbars on title bars has seriously hurt the ecosystem quite a bit.

Great paradigm: "we don't fix a buggy feature, we remove it" OMG.

I use gnome for the simple reason that is the default in the distributions I like. However, it has problems and denying it is not the way to improve. In my opnion the biggest gnome mistake is supposing users workflow rather than asking the users what they like (asking the old way, not collecting data).

Adwaita looks good and better than third party themes lol

Oh, right, i forgot. We all LOVE the default workflow of the DE, because why would you use anything outside of it, right? Who would even want something customized to their tastes? Where could i've heard that story? Oh, right! Apple! We all love that, right? We are running linux. The whole all deal about it IS customization and modularity, and gnome is trying to make it monolith, that's where it goes very, very wrong, since it's as far from "unix way" as one can even hope to go. Not only that, but their whole attitude is just ducked to the core, how they think that what they do is not just the best, but "the right way", while not providing anything that could justify their approach or their attitude. GNOME as DE doesn't provide anything particularly interesting(i mean better touch comparability is not something you need on your average desktop), but they have lots of disadvantages. However i like GNOMEs' approach on the library part, how gtk doesn't try to be a swiss army knife like QT does. They focus solely on the UI, they don't use dirty hacks like qmake, they don't try to make gtk commercial(which qt is clearly trying to do now) and that's how it should be done in my opinion. If it wasn't for their "way of thinking" GNOME would be my DE of choice.

I like gnome, I tried a few de's but gnome is my favorite

Tried GNOME out recently thanks to this video. I could dig the UX aspects of it, however it had issues with stuttering whenever I tried to resize certain windows like Files, as if it was having trouble rendering it. On my laptop, it glitches the fuck out. KDE doesn't have this on either. Once that's sorted out, I'll have to check it out again.

GNOME is my favorite de because of the application switcher. Just hit the windows key and you can see all of your open programs, plus a dock, and a desktop switcher. I personally use Zorin OS with the Pop! OS shell and theme.

1) It wasn't the just the 'powerusers' who had problems with Gnome 3. Gnome 3 lead to the creation of Cinnamon, Unity, the comparative rise of the popularity of Xfce, forking Gnome 2 etc. Probably 2/3 of the users did not like it. 2) One important problem for me was the fullscreen launcher. Many years ago I decided it is probably not bad to have a fullscreen launcher as an option but there should be another way to launch applications. I don't think the start menu is ideal either btw.

I tell people who just casually use computers to use gnome. It has a very simple straightforward workflow perfect for people who just want to browse the web and check email. KDE Plasma is the best all around DE but you have to tweak the awful default settings imo to get it perfect. I always end up going back to something very lightweight like i3 or openbox for the extreme amount of control, customization and minimal resources used but I really enjoyed KDE while I used it.

Just compare the Nemo file manager (which is the good old Nautilus) to the Gnome Files. You will realize why people hate gnome developers. Simply because they are bad developers who produce low quality apps for no reason at all. They have this weird habit of discarding a fully functioning app, and create another one that is far inferior to the old one, but mimicking Apple designs and pretending it's elegant. Talking about gnome really makes me angry. Such a failure! Use Cinnamon or MATE guys.

Manjaro xfce and mint cinnamon work for me especially well with 3 or more monitors

Its kinda embarrassing that the overview still can't open smoothly after 8 years. That said it is my preferred DE. I've tried every single one of the "lighter" more "optimised" DE's and I get the same shit-show of fucked up icon proportions, cramped & overfilled toolbars and general ugliness and inattention to detail. The KDE devs must literally be blind. Gnome and Nautilus have ejected all the extraneous crap I would never use anyway and leaves only the stuff I care about.

12:31 - How Offensive Security made its distro

Which distro works fine with GNOME? I mean, Ubuntu have changes, Manjaro and POP Os also. I want clear GNOME Shell, really i have to compile arch or start using Fedora?

I can't work without icons on the Desktop for easy transfer. That is why Mint Cinnamon is my distro of choice.

GNOME 3 came out "around" the same time as Windows 8. I feel that they wanted to do the same thing which Windows 8 did to the Windows world (trying something very different which nobody wanted) and that they succeeded. Windows 8 was the last straw which pushed me to move to Linux and when I saw GNOME doing something equally stupid I used the Mate desktop instead which is based on GNOME 2. I still think GNOME 3 is retarded. Windows 10 on the other hand did fix most of their stupid mistakes (not that I would go back to it though).

I don't use a de very often. But when I do, that's xfce.

I literally use the Gtk Solarized Orange theme and I actually love it, sorry not sorry :'D

nowadays it takes me about 10-15 min to set up a new gnome machine. - dash2dock - a nice theme and a long chain of dnf install commands, thats it.

i think this is what I needed to hear for choosing gnome over KDE. I love KDE, I mean,you can do whatever you want with it but with all that options I just get overwhelmed

I prefer the workflow of XFCE. Gnome is nowhere near as bad as SystemD. Also, why is SuperTuxKart controversial? EDIT: I wanted to try Gnome, but it is systemd dependent! *cries in Slackware*

As someone with a disability, I have cerebral palsy. Gnome is actually painful for me to use because it forces a keyboard and shortcuts workflow and doesn't off much to use it any other way. The interface is convoluted. I even tried mailing the gnome team and queried them as to wat could be done to improve it but I found them to be rude arrogant and unwilling to understand or accept that not everyone can use a desktop like they do. It was after that point I realised that it was true gnome Devs act like dictators. I wish that wasn't the case but it's the sad truth. It would be great if gnome Devs would work with the community better I think that would go a long way to improving relationships. That and also The leads Dev's need to stop posting about how users are the reason that gnome is always broken. They also need to stop saying things like extensions are bad for gnome then at the same time when a user requests a feature they're told to make or install an extension. Also look deeper at the functions of gnome. Look at how crippled files ( nautilus ) is. Again it is a convoluted navigation experience . While I think you did a great job being neutral. I do think you missed a few critical points.also look at application dashboard on KDE.

Im not a gnoblin, im not a gnelf, im a hated linux gnome !

its more like removing the floppy drive and saying "it's ok because we are working on usb" don't remove icons if you don't have something instantly ready to replace it with also I dont want to have to spend 20 minutes on a fresh install to make my DE usable, if I did I would still be using windows !

Oh man, another awesome Linux RU-vidr!

i don't get the market for KDE at all since on one side you have gnome and on the other you have fully custom DEs, kde seems like a worst of both worlds situation tbh

I use Gnome with full customization, and adapta themed, and i love It!

"Gnome isn't more resource heavy than other environments from my experience", okay but that still doesn't change the fact that it is more resource heavy than kde, xfce, lxde, lxqt, and every window in existence, making it one of the most resource intensive setups on linux.

I wanted to use KDE but it's never been stable on any hardware I've used it on. Gnome never gave me any trouble

I’m a Gnome fanboy and say so unapologetically. People will use what they like, and I like Gnome. :)

I dont like that they wont add some simple features like app folders, drag n drop

You shouldnt have to bend to use your OS. Its supposed to be frictionless and just function as a portal for you to use your applications. Theres no reason to try their new design paradigm when you have one that works better for you because out of the box its not over simplified.

Great video! I really like your takes. You put everything together quite well. Good luck on your channel!

You had me laughing pretty good in this video. "Then they start to customize it until it looks something like KDE or Windows" hahaha "Then they do an update and everything breaks" LoL. Unity in Ubuntu 11.04 was the worst DE of all time I think. But I ended up loving Unity from 12.04. In fact I still use it on all of my machines to this day, but they have pulled the plug on Unity and don't make it anymore. So now I have to switch again (maybe to Gnome). Thanks for posting this great video and cheers.

Imagine that your DE just can't show app menu without freezes

I absolutely love Gnome's workflow with only one single exception. I find myself needing to install Dash to Dock (with intelligent autohide) every time. Gnome has never felt right to me without it, especially on newer 40+ releases. By default, Gnome makes you use the hot corner to pull up Activities, then you have to travel all the way to the bottom of the screen for the dock/applications list, which is just a bit cumbersome if I just want to see a quick list of running applications or my favorites. Dash to Dock (even with autohide) is a lifesaver for me and means much less mouse travel (and a less overwhelming UI) if I just need something simple. All in all, I greatly appreciate Gnome's dedication to modern technology and progressive/forward-thinking concepts. They brought A LOT of innovation to the Linux desktop, and I find that I like it even better than Mac OS (once I have my Dash to Dock tweak of course). It's also the only desktop environment I've ever tried that had truly 100% support for Wayland and 4K displays out of the box.

Did you just called budgie mediocre?? Ok no, we need to talk.

How is a "myth" that Gnome is resource heavy and "slow" if you have to disable animations to fix the performance? Notice that the sluggish animation aren't the problem, it's a consequence of the problem.