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We need to talk about stainless steel frets. (it's bad) 

kyle orla stringworks
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Watch this if you've ever wondered about getting stainless steel frets on your instrument. Stainless steel frets (while they do last a lifetime) might be doing you more disservice in the end. Of course this is just my opinion, but I've just seen so much premature fret wear over the last few years here, I figured it be worth talking about! Stick around from other guitar Q&A's from my Instagram page!!
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@zaxmaxlax
@zaxmaxlax Месяц назад
Damn, the guy who needs a refret job every 6 months probably already has arthritis and tendinits
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
@@zaxmaxlax ooof
@jcb-ly9sm
@jcb-ly9sm Месяц назад
not quite sure I'm getting the point of this. - and your table saw analogy doesn't make any sense either. I suppose we drive more recklessly because we have seatbelts, ABS and airbags? What? Oh It's the *player's* problem that they wear through frets too fast...well yes dude, that's entirely the point and it's why they get SS frets. But they MUST be playing incorrectly then.... ....Rubbish dude. pure rubbish. Let's go back to the tool thing: If these are all tools, tools are meant to be used and tools WEAR OUT depending on use. How you use them and how I use them are not going to be the same way. But one way is not better than the other and to suggest that a person wearing out frets too often is not playing correctly is beyond super cork sniffing elitist. You gonna finger wag SRV for holding the guitar a bit too hard in his monster mitts as he's doing 2 step bends on 13 gauge strings? Ok... If fact if you aren't wearing them out, you aren't using the tool very much. I apparently have a death grip fretting hand because i used to be that guy going in for a fret dressing every 8 months or so. (I actually don't have an iron claw but I certainly played alot when I was younger and gigging professionally). do I have arthritis after playing 35 years? ironically not in my fretting hand but in my strumming hand....I do have a few SS fretted guitars as a result. probably has saved me hundreds in saved fret dressings over the years. YMMV but it's a viable option for those that need it - some opinions should be left indoors.
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
Yo! After seeing so may guitars in the shop come in over the years with premature fret wear (as compared to folks who play just as much with next to no fret wear) my hope is to put the power back in the players hands. You don't have to pay up for stainless steel frets when you can just lighten up that old touch. I also used to have a heavier hand and was thankful I had a fret to tell me so. Of course all frets wear out, it's just better those do than our hands when you can avoid it. Best!
@justinpaquette224
@justinpaquette224 Месяц назад
The main issue with stainless it that techs don't want to deal with them because they are way more work to put in, harder to do right and eat up tools. That's why I learned to refret my own guitars
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
That is true! Good on ya for learning how to refret too man!
@cgavin1
@cgavin1 Месяц назад
I get through a set of medium jumbos in 8-12 months. Lots of bends. Lots of repetition. Usually my D and G strings are completely scooped by 6 months and won't do anything but "plunk" by the year's end. I'm just scared to put stainless on my #1 and #2 because I worry it will change the sound. :(
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
It technically will because everything does but unless you’re a total audio file you probably won’t notice!
@turbochargedus-vz5dz
@turbochargedus-vz5dz Месяц назад
What do you consider the ideal humidity %. I have a 100 year old steamer chest that I keep my tenor ukuleles in and can pretty much keep a consistent humidity level anywhere between 40-60%, usually around 50%. I live in the desert so maintaining humidity is critical.
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
@@turbochargedus-vz5dz nice! Yeah 45-50% is recommended. But you’re doing more than 90% of people by trying at all haha.
@ltgray2780
@ltgray2780 Месяц назад
So, what about SS frets?
@jameshartwell4345
@jameshartwell4345 Месяц назад
Wasted 2 minutes.
@axelnoi
@axelnoi Месяц назад
He said it all. “You don’t have to worry about the fret itself but everything else” •Your strings will wear out faster (unless you use stainless steel strings) then you will wear out your fret. •Your fingerboard will wear out faster •Your fingers will also wear out alot more due to playing on material that is harder. But that comes down to person to person
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
@@axelnoi nailed it bud!
@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784
@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 Месяц назад
Actually stainless steel frets make my frets last longer, because they are mirror polished in my case, and they keep that very low friction glassy feel. And the result in real life = no corrosion points on the strings and no specific wear.
@justinpaquette224
@justinpaquette224 Месяц назад
@@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 I love stainless frets, I refret all my main gigging guitars with them
@travishemming3783
@travishemming3783 Месяц назад
For scratchy pots, use contact cleaner. A very good choice would be DeoxIT D5. It's a little pricey (about $17 a can), but it takes just a tiny squirt or two and will pretty much last forever if you only use it on your own equipment. It also works on amp pots and all kinds of electronics. There are cheaper contact cleaners, but the DeoxIT contains a lubricant in addition to the cleaner that reduces wear and keeps everything feeling nice and smooth.
@BrunodeSouzaLino
@BrunodeSouzaLino Месяц назад
WD40 can also be used to clean contacts.
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
@@travishemming3783 sick! I’ll let him know! I knew someone here would have some sweet tips.
@chuckcrunch1
@chuckcrunch1 Месяц назад
yep i have a death grip and killer vibrato also using 9 to 42, 12 months and frets are toast moving to stainless as soon as i can
@archbox8593
@archbox8593 Месяц назад
To be fair its not just wear right? I have VERY sweaty hands and my frets get this oxidation layer very fast. I can polish them every string change but I would rather not :) (the same reason why I pretty much have to use coated strings... which feel slightly worse but I can't change strings every week). A light touch is great but that's the guitar teachers job not the frets materials. But that's just my opinion :D
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
Interesting! Yeah i’ve heard of folks talk about that. I suppose that’s fair, but most of what I hear as people who need refrets all the time. Beyond wear a light touch is everything! Also if you’re looking for good coateds that don’t shed check out stringjoys! I’ve had mine on for months as an experiment to see if they would shed, and they haven’t yet!
@justinpaquette224
@justinpaquette224 Месяц назад
I'm someone who likes to play the same guitar everyday and I like to bend a lot of notes, more so on electric but still a good amount on acoustic. I need a refret every 3 years with nickel. Stainless last forever, feels great and sounds great. I refret all my guitars with stainless steel, sure is nice having frets that feel brand new for years...
@jasonjayalap
@jasonjayalap Месяц назад
Risk Compensation is the thing you're describing about saftey. But, what are players doing to wear through their frets so quickly? How common is that steam hole dealie to remove the neck?
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
Ah, yes thanks for the term! Regarding fret wear, some people just hold their guitars like a hammer I think. I dunno! That steam hole dealie is super common!
@MrSongwriter2
@MrSongwriter2 Месяц назад
Death grip and pressing way too hard, combined sometimes with stainless steel strings
@IssamUAhmed
@IssamUAhmed Месяц назад
Thanks!
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
Thanks Issam!
@rogertinker1813
@rogertinker1813 Месяц назад
I enjoyed the Q & A, thanks
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
Awesome! Yeah it super was fun to make! I should do more of them! I’ll definitely ask here in the RU-vid community tab next time too.
@slimlewisguitar
@slimlewisguitar Месяц назад
Great stuff. Thanks!
@Spritsailor
@Spritsailor Месяц назад
If you literally oil your strings on a regular basis your frets will have a micro coating of oil between the sting and fret. I have oiled my bass strings with 3 in 1 Oil daily for over 50 years! I have never had to replace a single fret. The oil also keeps my fretboards and fretless fingerboards from having humidity issues.
@MrSongwriter2
@MrSongwriter2 Месяц назад
It's not good for your hands or the wood, yes it will hydrate it but it gets sticky and will clog the wood and causes defatting dermatitis on your hands. There are safer products like fast fret.
@Spritsailor
@Spritsailor Месяц назад
@@MrSongwriter2 I have been doing it for over 50 years. There's never been a problem on my skin or my neck wood.
@BrunodeSouzaLino
@BrunodeSouzaLino Месяц назад
I use Tri-Flow on mine. Teflon based synthetic lubricant. You could probably use WD40 as well.
@BrunodeSouzaLino
@BrunodeSouzaLino Месяц назад
I wouldn't say the issue has to do with stainless steel frets themselves, but how they're marketed. Stainless steel does rust, but it takes a lot more for that to happen. Also, they do wear out, but it takes way more time because the strings are made of a softer metal (nickel plated spring steel). If you put them on an acoustic, they will probably outlast you. Now, if you use stainless steel strings on stainless steel frets, they will wear at the same rate as regular frets because you have two metals of the same hardness rubbing against each other. And if you use them on regular frets, the frets will wear faster.
@kostringworks
@kostringworks Месяц назад
Nailed it!
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