"We Salute The Rank, Not The Man." | Band of Brothers (2001)  

Particularly when he never deserved that rank in the first place.

@@tonyaleman6938sobel wasn’t a good combat leader but he prepared the men of easy for what they were going to face

@@hdjono3351 No argument their. He taught them how dangerous it is to have an incompetent leader.

​@@tonyaleman6938 That ranked was earned.. but he definitely didn't deserve any higher than that.

​@hdjono3351 the training environment he fostered definitely had the right results, and thats what matters in the end, but a moment like this shows where his intentions laid. He should have been proud to salute someone he helped sharpen and hone to a great leader, instead he took it personally like an insult.

Exactly!!

It's funny how much you can convey with something as simple as a salute, I love when military shows or movies have these little details. Generation Kill was great at having a lot of the little details correct.

Proves more that the halo directors and all of em don't know true cinema.

Nope, that's what a lil kid would say, not an adult.

Absolutely disagree. That was a salute full of respect.

Honestly, I’d missed that subtext completely. That’s a great point.

Big mock?

Also highlighted by the German general not wanting to surrender to a private. For all the general knows the lieutenant is a "worse" man that the private, but he is such a stickler to tradition and respect that he wants to surrender to someone of appropriate rank. Also notice how he looks at Lipton's rank before looking at Lipton himself.

At the same time, it does serve a role, saluting the rank. Regardless of whether you hold any respect the person with the rank, you show the respect for the rank. It avoids more problems than the disrespect is worth in doing so, and you can make it fairly obvious that you don't respect the person but will show the respect his/her rank requires. I've served under officers who I had absolutely no respect for, but I made sure to give the respect due to their rank (meaning the bare minimum), which saved me a LOT of trouble, given how many of my peers had to learn the lesson of salute the rank, not the person the hard way.

​@@jgkitarel That just sounds like a reason why it shouldn't be a thing in the first place. Causing problems where they otherwise wouldn't exist. I understand a need for discipline. But saluting every officer who walks by is just tedium. Saluting at a mass gathering would make more sense. The officers all line up, get their salute, then the commander who whoever is makinga speech does their thing. If anything, the mandatory saluting is probably a contributing factor for how many toxic people get into leadership positions. The MANDATORY vineer of respect. And being able to punish people who wont show it. But hey, I haven't served in any branch of any military, so what do I know /shrug.

I had to watch this series a couple of times to catch the significance of this scene. In the first episode, after his reassignment to Chilton Foliat, Sobel is in a jeep that passes Lt. Winters. Winters comes to attention and salutes Sobel despite his dislike of the Captain. A demonstration of saluting the rank, not the man.

@@rleroygordonYes, Winters had class. Sobel did not.

Thats hella Funny tho, the pettieness people can have

I wonder if the Men met again during the Korea Conflict. Sobel would retire a Rank higher of Major Winters. Sobel retired a Lieutenant Colonel.

@@ownlydown5933 Sobel tried to destroy his career multiple times, primarily because winters was a better leader of men and took to much attention away from him. This little act simultaniously did 2 things: it showed sobel he couldn't be winters, and it showed that winters wasn't willing to go after petty revenge. Winters could have done the chicken shit stuff sobel did, he didn't. he just made him salute, and he even gave him an out, which could also be seen as a burn, by saying "you salute the rank not the man."

The general's speech is one of the best moment in the film

@@onisuryaman408 its an episode

Well said. You're absolutely right.

The thing is, he didn't salute, which means he was the one who didn't respect him, and the guy just called him out on it, he wasn't the one to instigate it...

By all accounts sobel was a real asshole His family didnt even bother setting up a funeral for him

​@@ConnorNotyerbidness idk if family means anything, people can come from shitty families, so... He could have been an asshole, but I don't think a family not setting up a funeral points to that.

Dumb. He got treated like that because he was a pos and a liar.

That was clever, never seen a search functionality link inserted in comments.

Monicaaaaa

“I was going on a break!” 😅

We're on a break

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...especially don't forget to salute a recent Officers School Candidate graduate!!

Winston Churchill included this story in a speech given during his post-WWII speaking tour of the U.S.A., re-telling it as Eisenhower had told it to him. A news crew was filming the event - Churchill was receiving an honorary doctorate from a U.S. University. The news film cameraman caught Churchill's delivery perfectly, and the crowd laughing. Part of another speech from that trip used to be on RU-vid, but was taken down. Possibly the owners of the rights to these film libraries thought having a few seconds publicly available would hurt future activities. At the time a documentary was on TV that included part of an Eisenhower speech as well as Churchill's famous "Iron Curtain" line. Seems a bit silly - I'd have thought a short excerpt would attract public interest.

@@flyingbeaver57 Thank you. I was unaware of that.

​@KDC256 former NCO officers are the worst. I had a captain who was an E-7 before he commissioned. Giant asshole.

Eisenhower got so mad at the German soliders that forgot to solute him that he killed millions of them in concentration camps. Remember kids, always be a bitch!

Yes, I thought of his jawline too. It's textbook German jawline

Mewmaxxed

That general also played in raiders of the lost ark

It’s his chin

Kruppstahl jaw.

wasn't him who said it tho, it was a renney who told him he said that

Герои, бля!)))) Просидели четыре года на тропических пляжах Юго Восточной Азии, а когда русские должны были вот вот освободить Европу, они прискакали, героев из себя корчить! Heroes, damn!)))) They sat for four years on the tropical beaches of Southeast Asia, and when the Russians were about to liberate Europe, they came galloping in, pretending to be heroes!

Actually, one of my favorite lines, in Episode 2, because of the reactions of the men, is 1Lt. Winters' comment to Bill Guarnere: "Oh, and Sergeant? I'm not a Quaker".

Can someone pls tell me the name of the movie pls

Band of Brothers. It’s a 10 part mini series. Best real life drama I’ve ever seen

my buddy from high school and i watch this entire series all day every year on Veteran's day.

@@rleroygordon that one stuck with me too

It just resonates perfectly because it could have been exactly the same words Winters would have told his men in case the Allies ended up defeated.

History tells us those generals have always been good with speeches.

He was fighting for Hitler and world domination along with the Japanese and Italians. He represented all that was evil and was responsible for killing Americans and their allies. I don't give a shit if he quoted Jesus Christ; he was on the wrong side.

@@kumardigvijaymishra5945 Listen to one of MacArthur's speeches where he speaks without a note. For instance, his 1962 speech at West point.

@@warringtonfaust1088 Find the mind that wrote the speech, not the orator. Oratory is akin to acting; writers are the ones who put up their mind to work.

no they only manufactured them the design was done by Karl Diebitsch

@@thelvadam2884 Yeah, but Hugo Boss designed the uniforms for Band of Brothers. (I'm joking guys, please don't repeat this as fact all over the internet, now.)

@@thelvadam2884 Taking in mind that the man himself, Hugo was part of the party. I doubt he didn´t influence the style at all.

@@Krafanio nope he didn't

@@thelvadam2884 Doubt it.

A 2LT is still an officer and higher than a private he got what he wanted

@@TheKyleCostello I think you missed the joke

@@crimsoncobalt1232hes dense, the pun is the General didn’t know Lipton had just become an Officer through a battlefield promotion and wasn’t an “Officers Officer” but the General didn’t know that.

@@BBGhost6Well the General likely didn't care about what rank of officer he surrendered to, as long as he didn't have to surrender to a private.

Well it still worked out. coz that 2LT was a former 1SG just weeks prior.

Hugo Boss baby

Clean AF

"Which didn't stop you from getting your asses kicked"

Fr, that Red and Greyish-Black combination was beautiful.

Although Hugo boss made them, actual design was by another, and a lot of effort put into it. The uniforms didn't just happen.

Yeah, well he can kiss my sphincter! 😁

It was an unconditional surrender for Germany the General had no say.

He's a military man of the German government the same as an enlisted man

It is understood to have officers save face during war time. Otherwise there rank and file fails and controlling prisoners would be made harder. Keep the peace.

​@@rettop9757that's not how it works. Don't get butthurt. I did my time as both enlisted and commissioned.

i never watched friends, so all i know is DEEP SEETHING HATRED for him because of band of brothers. which is exactly how you are supposed to feel about him. he nailed it.

Unfortunately he played the role so well, its killed his career.

We love him as Ross?

​@@sleepingbee8997 nah, he was toxic AF in Friends 👎🏻

100% correct! The new appreciation I had for David Schwimmer and his acting repetoire after Band of Brothers was elevated no end as he played Sobel so well one can only despise the man!

Wolf Kahler. He's mainly known for his role as Oberst Dietrich in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

@@AlexVardr I thought I saw him somewhere! Thanks buddy.

Teuton , born to mate with Rhine Maidens.

He's a true Jawneral

@@AlexVardr he looked familiar, so i looked him up. he has also voiced karl ernst rasch. i was like I know this dude from somewhere else... there you go. his character is also based off of his appearance.

He wasn't mad, lol. Winters intended it as an insult but the General did not care and he carried on.

I don’t think the German general cared as much that it was only a Lieutenant, so much as he just wanted to surrender to an officer rather than some random private.

The German general comes off as an already humble man if you watch the full episode.

@@Trotler Its American cinema, Its cringey as shit.

Winter was there to attend, and the General only need his presence as a sign of respect from his enemy.

Well not so sure. But it's okay.

Thank you for this little story who he was. I thought this scene was one the best scenes as it showed there are always two sides of heroes, two sides of victims and two sides pain in a war. They all entered a war and were changed forever.

DAMN, such a character ! lmao

Well, from your description, it appears they chose the correct actor. A 39 year old would have appeared to be 61 years old after all of that.

Kahler is well known for portraying the Nazi bad guy in "Raiders of the Lost Ark", where he gets his face melted off.

And Tolsdorff had a serious battle wound on his shoulder, where the scar broke open again, was seriously wounded twice, lost part of his right foot and was also shot in the head and stomach.

The Russian army won this war. 3/4 of the German forces were on the Eastern front.

Being disrespectful to other nation's people is one of the traits yanks are the most proud of

Doesn't matter. An officer is an officer. Of course you would want to surrender to the highest ranking one if possible, but even a 2nd Lt is still an officer to whom he can surrender without losing face.

I'll never forget the advice given to me by one "Never look inside of a tank". The armor piercing round cannot escape and whirls around.

Now they make memes and make fun of men dying for their cause. I don't want to hear about the leaders or the country- many Americans died for corrupt politicians wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and Korea. But we still should honor those that paid the ultimate price and never came home. Regardless of the colors they fly, as long as they not embody the ideologies of evil. Last time I checked only certain people run around worshiping nazis.

When I was a teenager in the 80's I would sit and listen to an old drunk man tell stories about his survival in the battan death March in the south pacific.. I'll never forget those stories.

Well Said👏🇦🇺

This was. A wonderful series. I didn't have anything resembling cable.At the time so I was able to get it from my local library on videotape. I managed to do my work when I get it out of the way because I if I were alright I was working from home. I would promise myself.I would only watch one episode. A day but I couldn't keep myself to that. What a wonderful series and I could watch it again. Of course you probably all know that that gorgeous American officer with the reddish hair is actually british and quite a wonderful actor. But everybody in this was absolutely beyond remarkable. Ross should get more parts like this because he was fantastic. He could be a little irritating on friends but I never hated him as much as I hate it human this mini series

Agreed

He was odd for a German officer, Note, no scars on his face meaning he never did the fencing. He never went to university. Most german officers practiced Mensur leading to scars on their face to prove their " bravery" He was acquitted of any war crimes after the war found to have a "clean carrear". And went back to being a truck driver.

@@jenniferstewarts4851 holy shit what stories did he have for the other truckers?

@@jacknapyer oh gets better, the company also ran a bus service... so on off days he drove a bus on the route Diepholz to Hanover

@@jenniferstewarts4851 "Most officers" isn't correct. Some did practice Mensur - those who were in certain fraterneties adhearing to imperial prussian traditions - which would be considered ultra conservative at the time. Not necessarily devoted members of the NSDAP , but a lot of them were.

Hah! We have a similar one: "FLY NAVY! Go Royal! Dig Army. Eat Crab..."

Damien Lewis! I was in a film with him years back lol

Lots of English actors playing Americans in this show.

What is the name

@@yourgirl6013 Band of Brothers

...or just treat them as you'd like to be treated.

That happened for me back in 2012. Mexican housekeeper treated me ( black male) like shit. My supervisor promoted me in a meeting over her. She almost passed out!

I was told it potential originated from medieval times, when knights met....they would raise their visors to show who they were. It's also a sign you don't have a weapon in your hand, which I am sure relieved a few officers I seen ;)

When I was in the USAF, I had the "honor" of giving a tour to one of our Squadron's new 2ndLT's. He told me I was one of the few Sergeants who saluted him, which surprised me. It seems a lot of older Sgt's didn't give much credit to 2nd LT's. The guy had to be no more than 22 years old, but still looked like he was straight out of Jr High. I kind of felt sorry for him, I still had to laugh later though. Poor guy, I always wondered where he went and how he managed in the military.

That's pretty much how we Brits do it, the salute is essentially to the commander in chief, the monarch, and the commissioned officer returns it on their behalf.

​@@trainerskulb00d that's what I heard also.

Makes sense. If you truly respect the man behind the rank, you'd put more effort and enthusiasm with the salute, I'm guessing?

100% agree 👍

What is serie ?

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain And on a Sunday no less. Repent.

@@CubeInspectorCatholic here. Yes, we must take heed of the Commandments. Then again, the good Lord is forgiving and understanding.

@@CubeInspector no

If this is the best scene in the entire thing, I'm really glad that I never sat down and watched it. Into the "fast and furious" box this franchise stays.

@@ryanhogge8 too bad you're missing out. And if you had watched the show you'd understand the context of why this scene is so freaking cool

lots of people on universiteit would be doing the sport fencing, most of time without protection. so a lot of german higher schooled people would have those scars ar trofies..... now in a lot of movies you will see the bad guy with a face scar becous it looks evil.

@@VuurBarbaarexactly , in German that scar is called a ‘Schmiss’ and very much part of life as a student at German universities

@@christelwilk6166 I have heard it referred toas a "Heidelberg scar".

Fencing scars commanded respect.

@@VuurBarbaar all high rank german will spar in a game call Scrimă(fencing) for the privilege to get a scar on the face if they lost, it waz a honor practice to show off they will not cry in pain and inspire a iron will !

No it wasn't.

I uploaded that one as well, one upload later.

'not all believed in the nazis' - yeah! it was only like 98.5%! fucking please, ya some speech makes all the literal evidence go away? The Wehrmacht was HIGHLY complicit, even the most well liked and 'clean' Nazi generals like rommel absolutely were party to war crimes (look up jews being rounded up in n africa, commando order) he ALSO was a literal NSDAP member! The fuck is wrong with people these days, its like the 'lost cause' myth all over again except its all 'steve from iowa' fetishizing dudes who literally were trying to kill steves ancestors TL DR Germans were MORE THAN HAPPY with the Nazis until they lost! Get your head out your ass

Das Heer, not SS.

Y si lo estaban en el partido era logico defendían sus intereses e ideales nacionalistas, le erraron horrible en matar a la gente judía pero el resto eran unos adelantados y admirados hasta hoy, repito apartando el horror.... 🙌

Looks like Babe don't got to get inside Doris no more.

I just watched the show for the first time. I am german and i watched it in english. Hearing the general giving his man this speach made me very sentimental. My grandpas brother died in that war, my grandpa was a Flak Helper Boy, my father was a jet mechanic in the airforce, me too now. This is very important history, the whole series

“Heroes” on both sides huh?

nah, no one is hero fighting for the nazis.

@@CompagnonDeMisere25 If you know your history, then you'd know that not everyone who fought for Germany was a fucking Nazi...

@@vicentecamarillo4108 Yes, on "Both sides"...learn your history...scrub.

Military life is Rank & File. Even if it was your father who served. You get it...

Which means he really did his job as an actor.

Hahahahhaa

Covered with Innocent Blood😢

Agreed. He did serve his purpose and made E Company battle ready. War often doesn't give second chances.

I also think he was definitely trying his hardest to avoid being typecast as "Ross" in any future work.

If that were true, he wouldn't have had to have been reminded to salute by a superior rank.

@@jkutyna You think they salute every 0.1 seconds while walking around camp? It was petty revenge to make him salute. Also IRL they were walking opposite directions at night on a street or something and as soon as he was addressed he stood at attention and said yes sir, so it's not like he's refusing his own teachings.

@@Azqalihm I have seen coworkers get sent to mast because he failed to salute an officer on the bus leaving the pier for the parking lot at the end of the workday. Some officers are true dicks and adhere to the rules without question. That would be Sobel in this instance, and Winters merely got revenge upon cpt Sobel BECAUSE the guy was a rules dick. Winters even related the story of the incident and getting revenge on the guy was the only reason he corrected him. Most officers didnt care on pier, and you never salute onboard short of the quarterback and for flag raising and taps. So no, we do not salute constantly, but we do get back at a jerk for being a jerk. It is a case of what goes around comes around.

one evil telling another evil they're criminals , the irony .. switch sides and nuremberg would still be the same except the Germans would be passing prideful judgement..

Pretty much he did not even care that he was given a Lieutenant since the Lt. is still an officer and is better than surrendering to a private.

Even the German Colonel saluted Maj. Winters upon surrendering.

@@andrewdoddington6939 Proper protocol....note the Prussian heel click rather than a hand salute. One thing I liked about his attitude was be acknowledged Winters as the ranking US officer present, but when indicated to address Lt. Lipton instead, simply turned and did so. No complaining that he was aimed at an officer far his junior in rank...just "yep...that's my point of contact."

With the actions of the German army in that war, that trash deserves no respect at all, rank or no.

@@Flight_of_Icarus then you are still missing the point, yes they did terrible things, but at this point, it was over, this is tradition, as an office you surrender and hold your dignity. Call it the “ceremony of defeat”, the guns have been laid down and the flags are replaced, the canons fall silent, the commander hands over his sword and is at the mercy of the victor

One of the best series ever about anything...

The glorified Allied Rapist... Yes

Did it? I thought it was great!

@fd2blk78 yes and no. Although the figures are really hard to find: it did lose money. But it won a load of awards and is really highly rated. Hence why I'm scratching my head. Makes no sense.

​@@Krazymarmo both of those were TV mini-series so they didn't lose money per se. The reason the Pacific is not as popular as band of Brothers is because the type of war that was fought in the Pacific. And there were a couple of characters in that miniseries that quote or not particularly like especially SNAFU. Americans don't particularly like to think how rough War can be in terms of certain situations and the Pacific brought that home

@louistaplin4665 I agree to an extent. The two books, helmet for my pillow & with the old breed, have the same tone in the series where they are used. Sledges' book (with the old breed) was very reflective and brought the reality of war to the reader in a visceral and unfiltered way. On the other hand, Leckeis book (helmet for my pillow) was a young man's journey through a war. He had laughs and girls, comradery and unruly behavior. He encountered pain and suffering and he brought his own destruction. One scene in the book is where he killed 4 Japanese soldiers with his Thompson and he just sort of thought "good job". The difference in the tone of the two books were night and day. Leckies story was fun to read and didn't ruminate on the pain and suffering of war. Where sledge waded through the suffering and bravery of extreme conditions. I don't like the separation of leckie in the beginning and then sledge at the end. It made the series feel like it was falling apart emotionally. I feel like if they had done the two stories in unison they'd have had time for fun, intense emotion, reflection and intrigue. But the way they did it made the beginning feel fun, intriguing and exhilarating and the end (arguably when watchers would start dropping off) more downtrodden, intense and depressing. The series needed a better balance in tone throughout the series instead of first half yay and second half aww.