Starring: Kelly McGillis, Christopher Plummer, Lauren Hutton, Nicholas Campbell A jury decides the fate of a popular talk-show host (Lauren Hutton) accused of murdering her philandering husband.
I was on Jury service for several cases over a period of 5 weeks here in Australia. In every case the Judge warned the jury members that they must not discuss the case UNTIL the Courtroom hearing was over and they were sent to the jury-room to determine a verdict. In every case there were individuals among the jury members who ignored this instruction.
Some people don´t seem to understand the importance justice has in a healthy (sane) society. I guess leading by the example is what we can do to spread around the values of respect for others and justice. Say hello to Australia! I miss Melbourne sometimes
I think juries are incapable of objective reesoning. They are ordinary but savvy folks and can easily fake their opinions when questioned. This film illustrates clearly why a jury concept is erroneous and justice is frequently not served. A good criminal defence lawyer can get a guilty client scot free. Ask any criminal lawyer. That's why many countries don't have a jury system. Those who have are in an opioid high. Criminal lawyers are giving them that high.
@@kooisengchng5283 It’s better than relying on one judge who might have specific preconceptions… just think about how all of the jury members (of this movie) had immediate gut feelings based on their own experiences … it’s likely why so many of us have liked this film, that it was very realistic - even the digging in of our heels when we are certain of our own stance, it can be difficult to admit we were initially incorrect or illogical with our conclusions. I swear I’ve worked in offices with every one of these people, character-wise. I liked that the movie did not have an ounce of ‘overwhelming wokeness’ - the black lady made no mention of her skin tone, the Asian lady and Latina ladies made no issue of their heritage being different than that of the older white ladies or gentlemen- the Latino guy was a macho jerk, but it wasn’t about his heritage but that he was just a jerk, and the young pretty white lady finally saw through her “personal tribe” to do the right thing. If they made a movie like this now - only a couple decades later - all you’d hear about is ‘the defendant has white privilege so she’s guilty’, “I’m offended by the patriarchy”, “you aren’t listening to me bc I’m ‘ a man, a woman, young, old, Latino, black, newly immigrated, heavily accented, educated, not as educated ….. blah blah blah”. This was intelligent. I liked it immensely.
It's frustrating how the justice system has been hijacked by those with great wealth. A times it becomes so blatantly obvious its sickening. A team of experienced ,highly influencial, high priced attorneys opposed to the possible , near to retirement, alcoholic , has-been, state appointed huckster ! Who would you have more confidence in ? Only in the movies would the appointed underdog stand a chance. Those in the audience love to say, "it might not be perfect ,but it's better than other systems, " lol ! Doesn't provide much confidence for the defend though does it !
This is one hell of a good film. It reminds me of the film 12 angry men. All of the jurors are telling their own stories and in the end they all agree on one verdict after so much deliberating. Thank you for uploading such a damn good film. PC. 09. 08. 2021.
@@jayceec3178 I am not going to delete my comment. I did not tell you what the ending was. You should watch it for yourself. It just reminds me of a film which I have at home. Try watching it yourself. Or better still grow up. PC. 10. 08. 2021.
@@worrywart1311 Thank you for your comment. All I was saying that this film reminded me of The 12 Angry Men. You are right though, I never even mentioned what their verdict was. There are some real stupid people out there. PC. 31. 08. 2021.
I remember watching this on Cable London in my first year in secondary school. It was listed on the Bravo channel I believe and would air fairly often. I ended up recording it on VHS tape the second time I saw it air. I had the urge to watch it downing covid 19 lockdown but my VHS player needs fixing and I tried to find it online to no avail I couldn't remember the title in truth., I wrote "Win Atwood film" on tape but RU-vid searched "Jury film" this evening and found your upload. Thanks for the uploading!
Thanks for the upload. Well this wasn’t a waste of time, considering it’s not new territory. Believable and well observed character portrayal by each actor is impressive. The lady with the knitting… very powerful and moving.
About isolating her from other contact. We read that that’s classic behavior of abusing people. They isolate the person that they are abusing from the other people who would care about them.
i was on a jury, but not as serious. this one would be so hard to sort out the mental state of a person and all the details. what a great and cast of characters.
I was in Jury Service here in UK twice in two years. First one lasted 6 weeks. I made friends during that time. I was lucky to be with the great bunch.
Yes, too Serious! I would hate to make a decision because who am I too judge or even to be judgemental. I did understand the Communication . It was a hard sell. Janice Harley
Good 🎥 Movie Sad to make a decision.Why didn't someone know that's what I did not understand! Good Actors this movie was thought provoking. Janice Harley
I wish more films were made about the difficulty of serving on a jury. I've personally never been selected but 2 of my friends said it was the most difficult thing they've done
No way this was murder in the first degree. There is significant reasonable doubt that she wasn't abused and that she had acted in a rational manner. I call it manslaughter.
Ramos and Beryl were INSUFFERABLE. COULD NOT STAND EITHER OF THE TWO!! "Oh yeah! Keep her as a juror...I like the way she looked at me" Famous last words!🤣🤣
And Ramos and Beryl being "insufferable" was on purpose by the writers. They were the polar opposites who had their minds made up going in. When the jurors finally got down to rational discussion of the facts, a unanimous verdict was reached.
There is a old, classic B+W , star studded , jury room drama called, 12 Angry Men . It's one of the best, in my opinion , dramatic movies ever made. I recently watched it again here on youtube and will likely watch it many more times, it's that kind of special, unique experience you don't often find in a film or for free. If you enjoyed this one , trust me, you will certainly enjoy, 12 Angry Men...oh, by the way it is the 1957 movie version.
This has been one of my favorites. Good, thought provoking, intelligent discussion. Kelly McGillis (always impressive) leads a nice cast. Thanks so much for posting this well done "made for USA Network" movie.
Enjoyed that thanks... but have to admit I was fully expecting a huge twist at the end which didn't happen so a little disappointed that it just seemed to fizzle out!
It is very interesting how, by the end, they realised the most important thing: she was a TV person who had access to every possible plot to make her story believable. A clever person who used every resource available in her own job. Now we see this every day, because we just google for information, but then you could only know how to deceive others if you read a lot of psychology books or had a lot of psychologist friends and talked to all of them for weeks, since there are a variety of approaches as what would be the best course of action. But this one had everything she needed at hand.
The prosecution does not have to prove motive other than legal sanity, intent and evidence. The burden of proof of insanity or other mitigation is on the defense.
This was very good, so much like '12 Angry Men' that at times I had goosebumps. Even the last scene when the young doorkeeper runs up to Alice , in my mind I heard Henry Fonda say, "Davis." Thank you, Rare Films.
@@AstralPixie Men don't experience oppression on the basis of sex. Stop trying to center them in discussions on women's issues. The world doesn't revolve around men.
@@JW-uy2on Well, I'm enormously grateful for all the service, sacrifice, and contributions of men. If you're interested, try watching "The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)" and "Save the Tiger". And “Sometimes you have to look hard at a person and remember that he’s doing the best he can. He’s just trying to find his way, that’s all. Just like you.” - “On Golden Pond”
@@AstralPixie This thread is about the difficulties of being a woman. Why do you feel the need to hijack the conversation to center men? The patriarchy clearly has a strong hold on you.
@@JW-uy2on Well the thread becomes about whatever folks think is valuable to bring to the table. Men are no less worthy of compassion and understanding than women. “To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail” - Mark Twain. It's OK that we view things differently! “We’re all sort of fellow travelers in a mighty small boat on a mighty big ocean, the more we quarrel and criticize and misunderstand each other, the bigger the ocean gets and the smaller the boat gets” - “Lifeboat 1944”
I've been asked twice but had to say no. I think it's an honour to serve on a Jury. I wish I could've accepted though. Most likely an experience you'd never forget.
Once, and only once, and that was MORE than enough for me. One other juror and myself "hung" the jury in a murder trial. The majority of the jury wanted acquittal with time served for a creep that was illegally carrying a concealed fully loaded semi automatic pistol with an additional two full magazines, a folding machete, AND a miniature missle that looked like a fountain pen... All this, a veritable arsenal carried about within the metropolis, including riding on the city's public transportation! By hanging the jury, the baliff told us afterward in confidence that we would never be picked to serve again, and so far that is so.
If you are abused. You will walk away from the marriage. You have no right to take a life. Some women like to be abused, it is like food for them. I knew a few women who told me that, that they can't live without it. And like I said, you have no right to kill another person. Everyone in this movie played excellent the role that they had to play
Thanks for sharing this film. Also, the issues it raises about a jury and the actions attorneys do for a preferred outcome is chilling. But also it's about human nature.
It doesn't raise issues, as you say. It is a movie. It is not a historical film or a documentary, which would at least make it non-fiction. But it's just a regular, made-for-tv movie. Like many people, you're reading into this way too much. It is an engaging movie, but a movie nonetheless.
@moriyarose3587 Wow, harsh. I believe the comment wasn't due to the lack of reality, but rather, to the person who made the comment, it "brings up the subject " . It shouldn't surprise me how people behave behind the veil of a keyboard.
re people not aware that many women are killed by their men. Often the women when they're abused and have their men arrested and jailed, are killed when the men get out. Women are not really valued by many men. This movie does not help that.
I would be far too emotional to sit on as a juror and I know that I would need too many toilet breaks the proceedings would take a very long time and then everyone would be just so irritated 😠
On deliberation, looks like first degree, but the way the narration went on in the movie; it felt like it lacked in the area of a proper narration. By keeping it simple & not tilting towards darkness would have done the job. The forewoman & the elderly man brought a measure of strength & hope to this dark narration.
Shades of the old black and white Henry Fonda movie, "12 Angry men." Basically the same theme but two male teenagers charged with murder. The whole movie shot in the Jury room with all the arguments, disagreements and the whys and wherefores. Both excellent movies.
@@christinabernat6709 True but the real theme of the movie was the actions, beliefs, arguments and counter actions, beliefs and arguments of the jury room. Came out in 1957 and was one of the greatest movies I've ever seen.
Very interesting plot to see justice from the other side, those 12 people on the jury who has to decide another person's fate!! Dear God, what they must go through to reach a decision that they can live with for the rest of their lives🫣🫣🫣 Great movie, thanks guys!!
Marvelous, soul wrenching and suspenseful. I also believe the Beryl was fighting the feminist cause, and perhaps she herself had been abused but refused to admit it. It would have disqualified her from jury duty if she had.
Dear fellow viewers of this video, before the jury delivers it's verdict, I confess to a personal admiration for the two jurors,namely Ms Alice Dell, Naomi Burton; such lovely eyes and demeanor! Now,let's watch the fireworks folks!
No, you wouldn't. Trial must be based only on proofs not a bunch of people with not so ever experiences other than personal one. I tell you what, the discussions among them where too much personal, they couldn't imagine at all that woman state of mind farther than their lives had taken them. The jury is a wrong way to judge!
@@biancaenera2500 I hear you and agree with you but they brought up different valid points that on my own wouldn't, I would have just released her hahaha. But yes substantial evidence is needed to convict I agree cos we already know she had the motive. It's a hard one hey to have strangers decide your fate.
@@vuyiswadube7284 yeah in the reality this kind of case would have been debated much longer but this was a movie and simply cut it short... no proofs on both parts on how really things went just gossip, so was abs from the beggining 😂
If the defendant said it before shooting the husband, it indicates a degree of rationality and self-awareness rather than the kind of fugue state that goes with PTSD. If afterward, it doesn't tell anything about the state which existed before the shock of the shooting.
12 Angry Men may have been what got me started! Or testifying young in a human trafficking case, then a murder case may have done it!😂😂 Was so nervous testifying I am amazed my throat worked! Lol
I had the first-degree verdict in my mind after the defendant's own testimony. Very little of her testimony could be corroborated because it was conversation between her and her deceased husband. And the way she tilted her head downward and to her right before straightening her head with flowing tears and a sobbing voice made me suspect that she had rehearsed that display of tears and sobbing for the jury.
The actress did a good job with her role. It's still a movie, but with life-like issues. (gender vs. gender) So sad is the mindset of wo(man). Some real mental issues...only real way to solve these are to work on the spiritual issues. Find Christ, and follow his lead...not a physiologist who has been indoctrinated by other wo(men), and have their own biases. God help us!
I haven’t been on a jury but I’ve stood in a witness box as a victim, when I was waiting for the verdicts it was awful, in the end after three trials he was found guilty. For me that guilty verdict meant I could then go into a family court and keep my then babies safe. It wasn’t over after a guilty verdict for me, it was the beginning of a new fight.
I'm glad I've come across someone who has had a positive experience been a witness for the prosecution because I've been a witness 3 times, two of those times was because I witnessed a crime & a car accident & the third time was because one of my best employees & good friend took my bank card & helped himself to my money. He opted for crown court & a jury of 12 people instead of a magistrates. I was in the same court room that Dr Shipman (serial killer of 100+ patients) & the 2 child monsters that abducted, tortured & murdered toddler: James Bulger were found guilty in. My so called friend told me he would have the best defence barrister & would rip me apart on the stand. The minute I found out his barrister had a double barreled surname I knew I was in shit. But didn't realise how bad it was going to be. He used every thing I had previously disclosed to my friend because he was, then his barrister twisted that personal information & twisted it again to discredit me then he'd twisted it again & accused me of everything from social security benefit fraud to council tax fraud, drug dealing, money laundering. You don't have chance to defend those claims on the stand & only manage to say v.quickly yes or no. It didn't matter that my 'friend' had recent convictions for the same thing & was currently waiting for a trial date for doing the same thing to another 'friend' 'because we the prosecution can't legally disclose information about the defendant if it could prejudice him against the jury. Maybe my Crown prosecution service barrister could have worked around it if she wasn't intimidated & had more experience than him. She was 5 ft & tiny, he was 6'2/3 & well built & ran circles around her. He was found not guilty but at least it was over. The barrister was first name? Bromley -Davenport. 1 year later he defended two men accused of killing 14 yr old Charlene Downes. He got the case thrown out because the police had acted illegally in securing evidence etc, he also got each of them 1/4 £250.000 compensation for malicious prosecution. The UK CPS barrister's are often young, fresh out of Uni, underpaid, overworked & inexperienced. They are no match for the defence barrister's who charge £3-500 an hour of which they bill our government for. Never again will I be a witness to anything. The derogatory names he called me & the crime's he accused me off traumatized me, but it was the fact that he was allowed to do it that still traumatizes me today because I could easily have been a victim of rape or sexual abuse standing in that witness box & would be treat no different!! But it is that injustice that motivates us to fight & makes us determined to win.But you go girl!
@@sarah5893 Good grief, what a horrible experience!!! So sorry to hear all this. My experiences involved an innocent dog whose life was on the line thanks to a whole series of corrupt civil servants, lawyers and judges, for whom the whole thing was a sick joke, and it was up to me to save her life... Neither of us really survived. I wish you strength!
