As someone with a 1650S in my primary pc, it warms my heart to see this gpu used as the upgrade component. It's a great little card and does what I need it to. I game in 60hz 1080p.
Have you tried raising all the graphic settings that exclusively impact the GPU so the GPU usage goes up and the CPU has a bit more room to process all frames? You might get better graphics and less dips (probably not higher performance, but more consistent)
Came to say just that - if the GPU is causing bottlenecking on the CPU then push the GPU harder - sounds counter intuitive, but could give smoother gameplay AND better graphics.
Very interesting! Been using basically the same exact mini PC as this except with a Ryzen 5 2400G instead, for low end gaming using the APU. It works pretty well! Never thought to add a GPU, but maybe I will eventually since this video is basically a guide for me lol. Awesome video!!
I was thinking the same thing. You just need space for airflow. Its almost to bad the slot isn't rotated 180 degrees. EDIT: Maybe go out the front of the case..
I have a 65w i7 8700 version of this. Wanting to put it in a bartop arcade cab. This may be a option, uhd 630 is pure crap. Be interesting to see if someone has done a case.
I don't know, it looks kind of cool as it is. A 3d printed stand that improved the stability of the graphics card and made the pc stand vertically might be interesting. I like look of these projects when they have a minimalist approach to enclosures.
Cool Idea. The solution: Get a mini PC that packs a bit more beefy CPU. Regarding the the cables running directly under the card. There must a different solution too. Depending on the card, the PSU and NIC cable could melt
The third and 4th gen HP prodesks and elitedesks have an optional port on the back. Removing it (usually it comes with a VGA adapter) allowes you to run the wires for the eGPU through the rear IO of the mini PC
And to be fair, I have been running the cables under the eGPU dock for more than a year now and I havem't noticed any melting paarts or distortion in the cable.
@@geralt7144I'm not sure which VOD you've watched, but during the entire installation process the cable was running under the eGPU dock, not directly under the card. That would be near impossible aswell, considering the length of the cable (25 centimeters) and the PCIE slot length.
You can swap out the cpu on these things to get a little more juice. I think the the 800 mini G2 can go all the way up to the i7 6700t maybe even the non t version. It's not cost effective but then again this really isn't about that.
I play Destiny 2 all the time with this exact mini PC through STEAM. I added another 16 gig ram stick so it has 32 gigs of ram but is otherwise bone stock and it handles it ok.....the extra ram (and custom mostly low settings)helped a ton with low frame rates. I still get the occasional graphical glitches but it's very playable. This would be a huge improvement but the cost is still prohibitive if you dont already have a GPU card to use....like me.
Picked one up after watching this (about $150) and loaded it up with Batocera. No complaints so far! Originally tried Retropie/Ubuntu but couldn't figure out the default audio. Wasn't an issue with Batocera as it has a menu option to select audio devices built right in.
@@mojoosodope I did not do any testing with PS2. I actually JUST modded an old PS2 console last week (cosmic coincidence) and really like having a dedicated console for that. I just shuffled some stuff around..but as soon as I pull the HP back out of storage, I'll load up some of the PS2 ISO's I have and give it a try.
@@hereis_Tiff Great little PC these Prodesk 600 G4s. Added a fast Gen4 NVME and 32GB RAM upgrade then went to Win11 Pro as a renewed - close to $300 USD myself. Little Powerhouse !
Another idea is external male PCIx expansion slot on the mini pc, which would dock into a PCIx slot on a external Video card enclosure case that has an external PCIx slot "dock" which you can dock the mini PC on(think modular design). This external PCIx slot is wired to an PCIx riser cable into the external Video card enclosure case. This Video card external enclosure should have custom designed and standardized power supply for this enclosure, so that you don't need to connect a standard atx power supply, and there would be no external clutter.
I bought this exact system voor retrogaming en movies ect. Was wondering if m.2 was there (saw it yesterday in comments somewhere) but it is. And i wondered indeed for a better graficscart. Not that i really need it. It runs all up to ps3 before getting into troubles. Also its weird. Im playing ridgeracer 7 and was suprised at how smooth it looked. Than replay game crashes 😂 but still it can handle it so i just need to find the right settings. Great review rwally exactly what i needed to know. Good algorithyms yt has 💯 thx again
l've been wanting to do this with the wife's PC. Take out the m.2, install a bigger hard drive and let her enjoy some games she's been wanting to play. The 980m in the AIIO is good for casual games. Now if l can only get my hands on a 3070.
I'm surprised the cpu was a bottle neck. I have a i-5 6500t in a Lenovo tiny and an i-5 6500 in an all in one. I've ran benchmarks on both, I get about 92% the performance on the t vs the regular cpu. I don't game much, but I get 80-100 fps on Minecraft playing with my kids.
@@SweatyFeetGirl define modern chips? 80-100fps is plenty and having any more then that is a waste on a 60hz monitor. I'm sure if I turned down all the settings and resolution, I could get 200+ out of it, but I think for a $100 computer that uses less power then my cell phone (which was the whole point of this video), it does okay. I was also just trying to point out that he said in the video, that the non-t professor would be much more powerful. I have a not t process of the same generation, and i was comparing them.
@@SweatyFeetGirl well "after 9/10th gen" Intel means no i3/pentium which would be the modern day equivalent of the chip in question, and anything 2nd gen ryzen would use at least double the power. The closest equivalent would be a 4 core 4 thread 9th or 10th gen Intel which would be very similar if not under performing compared to this processor, think Celeron or pentium series. My 4790 4c8t is only about 30% more powerful then this setup, and with a GTX 970 is about the same power as a 1650 like what is used in this video. Simply put, it's just too little processor for the gpu and that was surprising to me, and that is running through a m.2 instead of a full 3.0 16x PCI express lane. Which basically means, that virtually any PC with anything more then 4 cores, it would be a waste of time for anything bigger then a 1650 or 1060. This basically rules out anything Intel after the 6th,7th or 8th gen, and anything Ryzen 3000 series or newer, and none of those would have the same power efficiency as the 6500t.
@@lilsammywasapunkrock anything more than 4 cores for a 1650 or 1060 would be a waste?there are many CPU demanding games that will make a quad core 8 thread cry.
I did a very similar setup with a i5 10gen Mini HP and a RTX2060, so far I've been having some problems with crash and reboots, not very often and related with high intense tasks, just random. Event viewer points to PCI express slot. I hope I can figure this out.
I'm using the Prodesk 600 G4 mini with i5-8600T. Got a GTX 1650 with the same ADT-link adapter. It can run GTA V with 60FPS & a mix of high and ultra high settings. Considering the G5 has a 9th gen processor, you might even be able to get the maximum performance out of a 1650 Super or 1660!
@ETA PRIME I'm a fairly new subscriber of your channel , but I love how you turn old junks into nice emulation machines. I'm bit confused about the software side, googleing a lot, I found many many alternatives. Do you have a video about what would be a best solution to follow? For windows , for linux? Really confusing where and how to start on the sw side. Maybe I just mist one of your videos, as I have spare time I look at your older videos. If you don't have, maybe you could do a complete tutorial about this to. Best regards.
I've followed this video's idea to upgrade a newer version of the Prodesk. I could drop a comment explaining what I've done if that interests or helps you out!
For the price (if you can nab a gpu cheap) it's good performance. Tho my OneXplayer is pulling the same fps in those games if not better with the baked in Xe igpu.
With the G2 HP mini PC the cable for the external GPU has to slip between the lid and the case, which leaves a tiny gap between the lid and the case. You can still use the device without having to use any pen or needle to start it up. Newer HP mini PC's have swappable optional ports on the rear io, which allow you to run the cable for the external GPU through the rear io panel. No more gaps between lids basically.
I was thinking about doing this but to a hp8300 Ulta slim with a i7 2600k 8g ram I have the power supply also and graphics card need the adapter 💪✌️💯👍🛠️💻
The computer ETA Prime used has two M.2 slots. From my understanding all HP Mini computers (old to newest gen) have two M.2 slots. You can use 1 of the 2 slots for that eGPU and the other one for storage and/ or booting.
I literally just bought one of these on Monday from ebay. Although mine is coming with the i5-6600. I’ll be using mine for a personal game server. But this video was really cool to see.
Can you explain how exactly would you make this said game server? I mean just using it as machine used for game or more of a server streaming games elsewhere.
Am I the only one that thinks that 60fps is fine in ANY game!? I don’t understand the problem of “just” having 60fps. I don’t see the difference going higher than that. 60fps, for me, is the way to play. Graphics is not always what makes a game great, at least in my opinion.
@@Yami_gd I do know graphics and FPS are 2 different things. Still, I have seen 120fps before and feels the same to me really. I’ll stay at 60fps because when people tastes more, they might stay there and if new games don’t go as high, gamers might demand that they do.
I've used a setup just like this with the exact same adapter and power supply for a few years using an AliExpress mini pc. It served me amazingly well, was incredibly silent and as messy as it seems! :D
@@fractalarbitrage genuinely speaking for triple A gaming, any processor starting from 8th gen intel is alright. Go any lower and you'll have this video's performance results. I have an 8th gen i5 and it works way better, running GTA V on high / very high settings well above 60 fps.
I really love your budget focused content! And yes, I know the market for ANYTHING these days has been way overpriced. But folks like you doing their best to look out for the little guy, gives me hope for humanity! A little late, but I want to wish you and yours, a very Happy New Year! o7
No, the performance lose are the same on both interfaces, because the thunderbold 3 and m.2 slot in this mini pc and cpu with pcie 3.0 lines version, have the same pcie 3.0 x4 bandwidth speed
Thunderbolt is running at 22 Gbps (yes you read that right) Not 40 Gbps as advertised M.2 PCIe Gen 3 is at least 32 Gbps. No speed penalty by any means
@@ClayWheeler I'm sorry, but i try to understand this prot/Speed loss thing. So if i have a 1660 Super, how much % of performence i lost? How can i look it up?
I feel like this is the new old school Linus tech tips channel before he became a big shot. Frankenstein PC content is great to watch. I’ve worked in IT for a long time and use to do stuff like this for fun with old equipment. Thanks for the content.
I’ve been curious about adding a gpu via m.2 on this machine. I have one for my Arcade1Up mod because it was cheap and small. I mostly want to see how well the Windows version of Killer Instinct runs but the cpu does give me some concerns.
really nice! unpractical in reality but very interesting to see... Do you know how many Watts can you pull from the m.2 connector? it will be really more confortable to use a 1030 instead of the 1650s if you don't need any extra power... ;)
@@stephensliger4306 gutted, I have one of these laying around I was going to try a 1030, dont think its worth shelling out of the PSU and adapter, you could pickup a cheap used desktop for the same money or less and drop a card straight in.
When your dealing with the low power T series especially older gens you need the I7 variants due to them having hyper threading. The I7-6700T has nearly double the performance than the 6500T with less bottlenecks issues. Heck even a 3770T would have less issues. I've built many PCs with the T series CPUs so I've seen this problem with the I3 & I5 T class however the I7 have a longer shelf life.
I was thinking the same thing during this video lol, if only he had an i7. A lot of these newer games are demanding multi-core performance. Everything's a trade-off, sff=low power cpu. Maybe an 8th gen i5 would be able to handle this. But there's always cloud-streaming if you have a good enough connection.
I have the same Mini PC as the one in the video, except mine has the i3-6100t. I called HP to see what the max CPU I could put in was but even they seemed a bit confused about how they can help me. Would I be able to put an i7-7700t in there? Thank you!
@@davem1027 I have a HP Prodesk 600 G4 Mini with an 8th gen I5 (8600T). From my experience with the machine so far, it works absolutely great with a GTX 1650, even going as far as being able to play games like GTA on a mixed high & ultra high settings.
800 G2 mini will only work with 6th gen CPU. Highest model would be the i7-6700t if you have the 35w model or the i7-6700 if you have the 65w model. If you get the larger 90w power brick for this machine, you can run the faster non-t variants (6500,6600,6700) which is the way to get the most performance out of this machine.
@@JDMsohc as Mcgill M stated the system works with 6th Gen only. However I would only recommend the I7-6700T at the most, and not upgrading it to a 65W I7-6700. The heatsinks they use are weak (0.5 inch all aluminum) like a "non gaming" laptop so even if you put in a 65W CPU thermal throttling would be a issue as well as a noise issue from the fan ramping up to full blast even for 50% workloads.
I've gotta say, i picked up an elitedesk mini pc based off your vid ETA, been casually tinkering with it now for about 6 months. I finally have everything working the way I can enjoy it for some high quality couch gaming, however despite you recommending not attaching a GPU to the mini pc, I'm inclined to actually get the m.2/sata adapter and use a 970 to augment the mini pc performance. OOTB, the HP elitedesk mini 800 g2 BARELY runs gamecube games, and only after some lengthy optimization and numerous PCSX2 nightly build updates over a series of months was I able to get PS2 to playback at 60fps, yet many PS2 games still struggle to hit 60 on the 6600T cpu. This is still amazing though, considering my home arcade journey started with comparing prices of tiny SBCs like rpi 3b+ and odroid boards, but ultimately if you can get a mini pc, a cheap older gpu, and the adapter, you're looking at the most cost effective way of playing any console pre-gen 8 on a modern TV.
I've got an Optiplex with an i5-7500t that I've thought about doing this with if I get a good deal on a graphics card some day. EGPU builds like this are really interesting.
i’ve done this in reverse building a full enclosure around The Beast adapter running a gtx 1050ti over mini pcie then got a hp elite desk 800 g1 usdt with a i5 4690s got great performance even with the cpu being older intel’s s variant cpu draw 65w and reach similar clock speeds of their non-s counterparts
Recently I brought home a couple of desktops from work, including a HP Prodesk 600 G4 Mini. Did some digging online, and with the help of this video, I added a GTX 1650 to the mini computer and added a SATA SSD. Works like a charm, runs GTA V at 60 FPS with a mix of high and very high settings. Really love how the graphics card sits behind the machine. It's definitely worth it to convert & upgrade such an ex-office computer for 2-300 bucks.
There is a rumored ETA Prime effect. Soon as he post a video of a cheap PC, it sells out at eBay really quickly. At least the cheapest versions of that pc sell out fast.
This is a lot of fun and very cool. However it's impractical. The practical solution is to plug that GPU into a cheap Dell tower i5 system. In fact GPUs are so valuable these day that it make sense to hook it up to an overkill CPU just to squeeze all the performance out of the 1650 super.
Yeah I got an i5 4590 with a 1650 and it's pretty decent. Newer AAA titles are usually a no go without scaling down the resolution to an unplayable point, but it's great for emulation and I get 200ish fps in rocket league so it does what I need from it
This with the 16GB+ of ram would be perfect for a tiny dedicated game server. I've been trying to find really affordable and especially tiny systems to use as game servers.
A nice upgrade to this mini PC would be the i7-7700t, it seems to be way better than the 6500t having the exact same TDP, idk if would be easy to find one though
@ETA Prime When I go to your Amazon listing there is 4 variations of it. Do you know witch one would work an Elagato HD60pro? I am trying to install one on a computer with only one PCIE slot that’s being used by the GPU. So this might work for me.
you should take a look at Acer Veriton N N4640G with an i5-6500T, it already has and 1x PCIe x16 slot so you dont need that adaptor, get a low profile old video card that doesnt need power and you are golden... i do batocera emulation on it, or even windows 10 + coinbase or retroarch
I have heard of this mini PC before. I would absolutely love to see companies like HP or Dell create mini PC's with a PCIe x16 slot. It would open up so many opportunities. Question: Did Acer make any newer models of your Veriton with a PCIe x16 slot?
Absolutely yes. These mini PC's were actually designed to be used in an office environment. I would recommand though getting a G3/G4, as those do pack better CPU's (7th to 8th gen Intel). Do keep in mind these mini PC's typically have 2 DisplayPorts on the back. You can switch out the optional port for a HDMI one (normally they have a VGA in that port).
I want to use an external gpu but I don't want to sacrifice NVME like in the video, does the Elitedesk 800 g2 support risers that use a wifi card slot, if so can you please send me the buy link
Wifi card slots use a very different type of NVME connector, which typically isn't suited for external GPU usage. You'd be better off still using the NVME M.2 slot. Mini PC's from Dell and HP have atleast two NVME M.2 slots, so it shouldn't be a big issue to use 1 of the 2 for an external GPU. (not to mention the fact that there are no external GPU docks with a wifi card connector)
not sure its worth the hassle, might as well spend the 80 bucks on getting a used full desktop so you can mount the card properly, if however if this adapter can be found much cheaper elsewhere it might be worth it.
@@cloudycolacorp I actually have one of these laying around, I just want to turn it into a HTPC that can do 4k output, do you think a GT1030 will work without needed any extra power as I could just pop one in without the extra cost of the second PSU
With an i5-9400T you should really try it out. I have an 8th gen i5 (8600T) and it runs GTA V very well on 1080p high. You may be able to get even better results with a newer generation processor.
I assume the K43SG is a newer model? Could you tell me which GPU you have, and if you installed the drivers for that GPU. Most common 'issues' with this setup are drivers not being installed.
@@hereis_Tiff yeah, K43SG is a newer model with PCIe4.0 support. Initially I tried with a GTX980 but it didn't run at all (black screen - no input source). Next I switched to Gigabyte RTX2060 - then it starts but it was unstable (black screens, restarts etc.). I've exprimented a lot with various BIOS parameters especially around SecureBoot, LegacyBoot, SureStart. BIOS has been updated to the newest version. I've tried also a few other driver versions but finally I read on the egpu forum that elitedesk 800 g2 terminals have often issues with eGPU risers and they are unstable, then I resigned. I have also other terminal HPT640 and there everything works seamlessly, so based on my experience I wouldn't recommend HP EliteDesk 800 G2 as eGPU base ;)
@@adrianukawski376 I've had a no source issue with my Prodesk 600 G4, but I found a workaround to fix that. I powered up the pc with the eGPU setup connected but used the internet displayport to get an image. This allowed me to install Nvidia's drivers since Nvidia could detect the GPU. Maybe that could be a solution to your problem?
@@hereis_Tiff unfortunately, when eGPU with GTX980 was connected to the pc iGPU also reported no input source. When I switched to RTX2060 it starts working but even after specific Nvidia drivers installation it was unstable (random black screens, blinking, restarts etc.). I've also tried a few tricks with K43SG jumpers like power up delay or force power on but it doesn't change anything.
Absolutely. I have the device you mentioned but with an 8600T instead. Nonetheless I have a stock GTX 1650 and the performance dips are gone. GTA 5 runs without ever dipping below 60 FPS on high/very high settings.
I tried this with the exact same computer and a 1060. I can not get the comp to recognize anything in that M.2 slot. The HP bios is the worst I've ever seen. First time I've been defeated by a computer. Great video though
I may have a solution for you. When I tried to install the eGPU I couldn't get an image first without the proper drivers installed. What I did is fully connect the eGPu and let it start with the PC. For video output I used the DisplayPort of the PC itself. By doing this, Nvidia will detect the GPU as being connected and will allow you to install the drivers. When the drivers are installed, you can restart and switch to using the ports on your GPU. Hope this helps!
Wow hey man thanks a lot. Really appreciate the trying to help. So what I run into is, if I boot with the GPU installed I get a blank screen. I assume it's the bios not knowing to boot to the onboard graphics or the GPU. The only way to have it fully post is to unplug the GPU and then plug it back in, after that my device manager never sees the GPU, and Nvidia doesn't let you download the drivers if they can't see that you have the GPU to begin with. I'm stuck in this weird limbo where I need the drivers but can't get them. @@hereis_Tiff
@@darthxavier777 My previous reply is exactly the solution I used for the problem you just described. I let the GPU boot with the computer but I use the computer's standard video source to get an image. This would still allow Nvidia to detect the GPU as connected, and you can go ahead and install the drivers. Once you're done installing, reboot and connect your monitor to the GPU.
I got one with the i7 6700, 16 Gb ram. I'll try some emulation, but I don't know if it will make such difference from the i5..... Anyway, I am very satisfied of the toy for everything else. Very quiet machine. Got it for about 180 €.
If you look closely, the case lid isn't 100% closed. On newer HP Pro/ Elitedesk models, there are optional port slots on the back of the device that can be removed, basically giving you an option to run the cable through the hole on the back.
