We Were Completely Wrong About Why Bugs Are Attracted To Lights

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0:00 Bugs attracted to light
1:30 Previous assumptions that were not correct
2:50 New research and how it was done
3:35 Discoveries and unusual findings
5:20 How this affects insects' instincts
6:55 Which lights are the worst?
8:00 Conclusions
9:20 Variations amongst insects
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@flobba123 4 месяца назад

Now can scientists figure out why bugs wanna fly into my nose.

@Atok595 4 месяца назад

Good point 😂

@thejworks07 4 месяца назад

Moisture

@beoweasel 4 месяца назад

It's because some insects are attracted to sources of carbon dioxide. Their olfactory senses pick up your exhalations and that's a signal of either a potential food source or hiding spot.

@JonnoPlays 4 месяца назад

Gnats are attracted to the warm moist air. Really fricken annoying!

@Failtube1998 4 месяца назад

Cause your damn nose too big. Suckin up all the damn bug air. Bugs need to breathe too

@derkevevin 3 месяца назад

This just makes "Drawn like a moth to a flame" more sinister. Like someone not only being ignorant to the danger, but also to the fact that they got totally lost, let alone that they're diverting from their straight path at all. Their whole world is literally being turned upside down, without them noticing a thing.

@Bingusaurus 3 месяца назад

I absolutely love this new spin on the saying, and will 100% be using it in creative writing. Thank you for the inspiration!

@jakecarney6433 3 месяца назад

lost in the sauce

@simplyeyeronic1443 3 месяца назад

Kinda reminds me of the deer in headlights saying. From a human perspective, it seems odd to see a creature freeze up when danger is approaching. But when I see a car at night and even some dusky times, all I can really see are the headlights. Deer probably have better night vision than me, but I wouldnt be suprised if they also couldnt really see the whole car. So the deer sees two floating orbs that emit light, something that it only ever sees in the sky, and freezes up because its incapable of understanding whats happening. Cars at night could quite literally be a horror beyond a deers comprehension.

@NothingTheGreat 3 месяца назад

@@simplyeyeronic1443 And even if they could recognize it as an integrated entity they would likely just run in a straight path away from the vehicle and get hit, because they evolved in a world where predators can easy change course and they expect the same behavior of vehicles.. in their mind, darting sideways (to actual safety, unbeknownst to them) would just be wasted time and energy

@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe 3 месяца назад

You said that pretty poetically. A little inspiring, tbh. I commend your way of writing. (Actually you could literally make a poem about it. I'd read it, so @ me if you just, spontaneously want to do a silly thing from out of nowhere or whatever.)

@spudmanii Месяц назад

Wow this is some real cosmic horror stuff. They're literally getting trapped in some strange device made by beings far beyond their comprehension. When trapped in it, it's like that classic horror trope of going into a fog, or down a hallway, or through a doorway only to end up right back where you were with no comprehension of how long it's been

@tarrellkurtz502 Месяц назад

Underrated comment

@purgruv 29 дней назад

Hella Sisyphean horror

@karebear395 25 дней назад

❤️😱❤️😱

@eleanor5543 11 дней назад

It’s not that deep buddy

@spudmanii 11 дней назад

@eleanor5543 damn sorry, didn't know the cool police was here. Sorry I didn't match your coolnessm I'll do better in the future

@hunterswepic 22 дня назад

As a pilot, I found this to be super interesting. It seems like a very similar experience to spatial disorientation when encountering IMC. Very cool!

@RichieKrol 17 дней назад

What is IMC?

@hunterswepic 17 дней назад

@@RichieKrol instrument meteorological conditions… aka clouds, bad weather, high altitudes. Essentially anytime that you lose the ability to see the horizon or ground and you must fly solely off your instruments.

@RichieKrol 17 дней назад

@@hunterswepic oh ok. Thanks

@parsoniareigns 8 дней назад

@@RichieKrolor stuff in the sky

@RichieKrol 8 дней назад

@@parsoniareigns what?

@supergeek1418 3 месяца назад

That's the same reason that silver colored/aluminized plastic mulch is so effective in keeping insects from attacking plants. The extreme brightness on their down direction causes them to turn to an upside down orientation, which prevents them from being able to land on the plants, and thus from being able to feed on them. No pesticides required.

@echelonrank3927 3 месяца назад

gold

@smithasureshholisticnutrit6287 3 месяца назад

Doesn't this also prevent them from being pollinated?

@otallono 3 месяца назад

who uses silver or even bright colored mulch lol that would be the talk of the town

@Arizona9001 3 месяца назад

Okay can we figure out how to delete mosquitos from earth now.

@Cris_the_coder 3 месяца назад

FR THIS IS THE QUESTION @@smithasureshholisticnutrit6287

@PastaAivo 3 месяца назад

The fact that bugs orient their backs to light is so simple, yet explains so much. Using light for orientation and navigation is a given, but getting stuck because that light is actually located somewhere near and not in the sky, constantly forcing the bugs to change their course is pretty wild. Almost like swimming/diving in a turning drum, trying to figure out where's the surface...

@kosmique 3 месяца назад

just goes to show how consistent nature is, that over millions of years bugs AND animals (NOT just insects) use light for orientation at such a degree that their life literally cannot function normally with the adding of artificial light. turtles that hatch on beaches need the moonlight to find the ocean. but the light from towns and cities near beaches make it a complete guessing game.

@lostrelicsf2p756 3 месяца назад

Then how mosquitoes orient themselves at night? They still get attracted by lights

@ThePC007 3 месяца назад

Not only is it very simple, but I believe it’s been the leading scientific explanation for pretty much my entire life. At least it was explained to me this way when I was a child.

@REASONvsRANDOM 3 месяца назад

@@lostrelicsf2p756 mosquitoes are not attracted to UV lights. They may be attracted to things near the UV lights -- like pheromones, heat, etc -- but not the UV lights themselves. They have a different kind of setup, different mode of operation. They want blood, that's what has worked for them evolutionatiry -- so they display different strategies for orientation and basic goal seeking / avoidance.

@shuttlecrab 3 месяца назад

@lostrelicsf2p756 yeah I would agree more with lostrelics. They may have a similar instinct, but they are also looking for living play that moves and has body heat, so their system for navigation may differ from pollinators and other flying insects

@Grokipoq 17 дней назад

2:58 "the researchers used something brilliant: a light" that sentence was brilliant as well!

@jeannetitor 2 дня назад

missed the sponsorship cue😂

@meino6465 Месяц назад

Huh... thats pretty interesting, since this explanation is very similar to what I've always been told. The difference being that the explanation I was given phrased it more like "they try to keep the sun/moon above them in a stationary spot to fly straight, so when they encounter a lamp they mistake it for the sun/moon and get confused" instead of the more complex way this instinct operates. Since it is so similar to this new explanation, I wonder where it came from?

@xx5949 27 дней назад

Actually different species use different ways to navigate. I remember there were some very very old papers that suggested artificial light affects the navigation instead of attracting the insects. Some indicate both light polarization and source location mattered for some specific specie. But the hypothesis may never be directly proved: how exactly the light source affects their navigation. Sotthibandhu, S. & Baker, R. R. Celestial orientation by the large yellow underwing moth, Noctua pronuba L. Animal Behaviour 27, 786-800 (1979). I think the new paper just reinforces this idea by giving 3d tracing and more species.

@horticultural_industries 24 дня назад

Yeah I could have sworn that I was told this at some point

@KaiHenningsen 23 дня назад

That's the only one I ever heard. Given I'm 64, why on earth are there still people thinking they're attracted by light (or heat)?

@royalty12 23 дня назад

I’ve heard that about bees.

@svenschneider1578 18 дней назад

I also remember such explanation from the early 2000s: Sun is a navigation beacon for insects, artificial light is a kind of spoofing. Turns out not to be so completely wrong 😊.

@ksptm4 3 месяца назад

As a lighting designer and engineer for one of the largest commercial lighting companies in Europe, this is a great informative video. The white paper this study generated is now being used by various lighting manufacturers to consider when designing new lights for external applications. Great work Antov, always top quality videos.

@argfasdfgadfgasdfgsdfgsdfg6351 3 месяца назад

For certain use cases, maybe just don't make the light bulbs circular? If one side is illuminated and the other side is dark, the insects might be kicked out of their circular behaviour.

@SA-bg6kr 3 месяца назад

Make them soft and yellow. The bright led white lights are too bright. There's problems with sea life (turtles) who nest on beaches then when they hatch they go towards the lights by the road not towards the sea.

@richardwalton6993 3 месяца назад

Moths are hard wired to fly towards the light of the moon. When street lamps interrupt this instinct, they’re actually interrupting a fixed action pattern designed to increase their ability to reproduce by locating pheromones.

@beckyyoung2173 3 месяца назад

FYI - i posted a comment up above about my chandelier light, where flies circle it, even when it's ALWAYS OFF. So, i'm thinking it has more to do with the electric current, even when it's off. They might have to continue doing more research...

@alexandermuller8587 3 месяца назад

@@beckyyoung2173If the light is off there is no current either.

@patrickoberholzer4278 3 месяца назад

30 seconds in and he's already got the Roman empire on his mind.

@apokatastasian2831 3 месяца назад

SPQR

@benisrood 3 месяца назад

Real man

@JoJoRogain 3 месяца назад

@@apokatastasian2831 ⚔️ CARTAGO DELENDA EST

@pizzasteve5825 3 месяца назад

All day I think about ROME, ROME, the Roman empire

@fidmid 3 месяца назад

Typical men...

@davidk7529 7 дней назад

Korea just reported a shortage of pollinating insects this year, and had to have groups of volunteers hand-pollinate large orchards to maintain fruit production. With the honey bee population already dropping dangerously low, it’s a serious issue for humanity that can’t be ignored anymore. Policies need to be made urgently to undo the damage from the rapidly increasing installation of extremely bright night-lighting in rural areas.

@HwoarangtheBoomerang Час назад

I hate LEDs. It's like walking through a dangerous neighborhood knowing that there's a vape shop behind you. (Where i am, vape and smoke shops have gaudy lighting that are an LED and neon eyesore!)

@Shino_666 13 дней назад

that "why insects don't do the same with the moon?" suddenly reminds me to an old saying "4th floor always has less mosquitos than ground floor.". 😂

@jamescollier3 7 дней назад

@vulpesinculta3478 7 дней назад

@jamescollier3 well I mean, he's right, even if it's confusing me too

@Shino_666 7 дней назад

it's just a japanese old saying, guys. XD

@owenswabi 16 часов назад

@@jamescollier3Japanese hate poor people. Idk what else it could mean

@glassworktrophic8465 4 месяца назад

I'm all for reducing light pollution. That most people go through life never seeing the full majesty of the milky way above our heads depresses me even more than this.

@Voron_Aggrav 4 месяца назад

Not to mention just how much electricity we're wasting with it as well when it's not needed

@farrier2708 4 месяца назад

Throughout the Northern hemisphere there is a pollution layer that extends from ground to about 5000ft. You need to get above that, to appreciate the true beauty of the sky. It doesn't apply South of the equator. They haven't managed to ruin their atmosphere yet.

@Voron_Aggrav 4 месяца назад

@@farrier2708 every little bit helps, I suppose,

@glassworktrophic8465 4 месяца назад

@@farrier2708 Yea, my first experience seeing the true sky was on Mount Cook in New Zealand. It's life changing.

@herrweiss2580 4 месяца назад

@@farrier2708 I concur. The night sky in Brazil is truly mesmerizing.

@TheGreatMoonFrog 3 месяца назад

Bugs: "The light will bring doom to our entire species!" Spiders: "It is the promise land!"

@barmy8219 3 месяца назад

"'Will you walk into my parlor?', said a spider to a fly"

@gabrielbelouche3954 3 месяца назад

That random gecko: Meat is back on the menu boys

@elkikex 3 месяца назад

This is actually part of the lore of Hollow Knight.

@donmcatee45 3 месяца назад

Go towards the light😅

@Mirauge 3 месяца назад

@@donmcatee45We figured, fuck it..... I mean it was really far

@krishnanunnimadathil8142 4 дня назад

The fact that we can use scientific inquiry to understand the plight of insects makes this - natural inquiry based on precise observation - the most humane pursuit and a clear application of empathy where it is needed. I really learned something here. Thanks

@HwoarangtheBoomerang Час назад

We need more of this.

@Skallanni 2 месяца назад

My city has an ordinance against keeping outdoor lights on past 10 pm and beyond a certain brightness. You can still turn the porch light on to take the dog out or to sit on the patio, just turn it off once inside. Additionally, motion controlled flood lights are allowed and are used mainly to deter deer. String lights during the holidays/winters is also allowed. We also have rules regarding how many trees and what age/size a property is allowed to remove and what kinds of land can and cannot be built on (ex: if you buy property with a section of wetland or dense forest on it, you can’t tear it down and fill it in. You can still make paths and driveways, sheds and fences, and ad extensions to your home, you just have to work with the natural environment and be reasonable in doing so. In other words you can fell an entire grove of trees to build your mansion when there is already land enough to do so on the same property next to the tree line). Because of these efforts, we have healthy wetland ecosystems out our back doors and see animals and birds not often seen in suburban areas. We get foxes, mink, two species of shrews, great horned owls, snowy owls, and muskrats and many species of native insects and arachnids.

@primesspct2 Месяц назад

thats pretty cool! I wondered what country you live in?

@jazzyg530 Месяц назад

Do they actually enforce that?

@ericakusske3321 Месяц назад

That'd be amazing. Firefly season started about a week ago at my house, you can see them better when the neighbors turn their porch lights off too. And they have difficulty finding each other when there's porch lights on.

@Kancerru Месяц назад

Must be spooky af at night with literally no outdoor lights on in the neighborhood.

@TheSlickmicks Месяц назад

Every animal he listed is native to the Americas. So either the USA or Canada. I'm guessing Canada. Because Americans would put up too much of a fuss about not being able to have their lights on whenever they want. @primesspct2

@jeil5676 3 месяца назад

I had always noticed when camping or fishing that for a short time before and just after dusk is when a lot of bugs become active and get attracted to lights. By waiting till an hour after dusk, before turning a light on, you will greatly reduce the number of bugs circling a light. If a light has been on for a while and there is a large population of bugs around it, turn it off for half an hour before reigniting it and it will keep the number of bugs down. Most of the action occurs just around dusk.

@Cre80s 3 месяца назад

Interesting. It seems like with that hour of total darkness, the insects have had time to get into "night mode" properly, get to whatever destination they would have preferred being. But if they encounter a light while the sun hasn't totally set, it can "capture them along their way" and lock them in flight there. Very interesting.

@Christy.1 3 месяца назад

Another thing I noticed, when there's a light source attracting a lot of flying insects, it also attracts spiders. No biggie really, except towards the end of summer, we get these huge spiders that make these big webs-and they'll make it right in front of my front door. Like right across, face level lol. And they're hard to see too. Had a real stubborn spider, I relocated it, and that thing was right back there that evening. BUT, it did make it's web a bit higher up so I could walk under it-cautiously. That actually made me laugh at it's consideration of me.

@elizabethlockley5861 3 месяца назад

It probably had babies that’s why it crawled back and it knew building it’s web in that same spot was not safe, so it built higher up. I’d spray Mortien inside that dark crevice if you can’t find where it’s hiding tap the web lightly with a twig and the spider will pop out instantly.

@andy2641 3 месяца назад

hmmm it could be because neither the sun nor the moon is fully there so it is easier to get attracted to an alternate light source

@trevors.5922 3 месяца назад

I used to drive out of town a lot 3/4 times a week, getting home late. On the 3 occasions that I went home 2/3 hours early around 8/9PM the amount of headlamps on just from ppl getting off work and driving home keeps the bugs on the highway for 1/2 hours after dusk bc theyre attracted to the car lights. It'll also save you a lot of time from getting them off your windshield.

@alessandrobarbato9890 3 месяца назад

One time I went to a vacation in a lake city, and noticed that the locals especially at bar or restaurants all used red led lights for the outdoor use, and that near theese red lamps there were no insect while normal white lights were like nests full of insects. For what I've seen the color of the lights matters.

@Dustfinity 3 месяца назад

Most insects can't see red wavelengths, lots of people who keep them as pets use a transparent red plastic sheet to cover the lower sides of the terrariums, so they can peek into their underground chambers without disturbing them ^^

@whitecrow20XX 3 месяца назад

@@Dustfinity They may not see. How about the wave or the heat?

@Cassandra112 3 месяца назад

Thats really interesting. also, just to say it in case you, or someone else is not aware. Red light does not trigger human day/night sensitivity. this is why submarines use RED lights in periscope rooms.(the rest of the sub is lit normally, the periscope/command is red lights, so when the periscope operator looks out the periscope at night, they can see.) Observatories also use red light.

@Feathertail2205 3 месяца назад

@@Cassandra112And I'm guessing also why phones now have blue light filter to reduce wavelength disturbance before bed time. (My partner's phone gets so red at night, I was like "how do your eyes get used to this?" lol)

@incyray9709 3 месяца назад

If I'm not mistaken, this is because they cannot see the red light (I have not fact checked this, however, so I might be wrong)! So, it does not disturb their behavior as much. Also the reason I've seen red lights used to make nocturnal insects visible in their enclosures, without bothering them.

@shekharmanelkar9644 2 месяца назад

Thank you Petrov. I found your video extremely informative. And look forward to seeing more.

@MrJesusPrime 3 месяца назад

This was actually extremely fascinating. Leaving this video with knowledge that goes beyond

@Pyrozoid 3 месяца назад

I remember reading this in a Richard Dawkins book about how insects use the sun and moon to reorient themselves. The mechanism by which they do it has evolved with the fact that both of those light sources produce, practically, plane wave-fronts of light because they are practically at infinity. But then we humans introduced artificial light which creates spherical or cylindrical wave-fronts and hence mess with their reorientation mechanisms.

@alessandropizzotti932 3 месяца назад

Yes, and the book, if it's "The Selfish Gene" you're referring to, was written in 1976, so nothing really so new here, even if it was in a part added in the 40th anniversary edition.

@Pyrozoid 3 месяца назад

@@alessandropizzotti932 that's the exact one.

@Disatiere 3 месяца назад

@@alessandropizzotti932 The raw data is new

@slaw1448 3 месяца назад

Always so glad to see people mention that book. Best read of my life.

@aWomanFreed 3 месяца назад

This comment makes me wonder about artificial light plus now G radiation messing with OUR “reorientation mechanisms”

@vallorahn 4 месяца назад

As a lighting designer, I suggest lights with glare shields and honeycomb filters for narrow beam up lights, like flag pole luminaries. That will help insects snapping out of it by cutting the unnecessary glare portion, which can be even over 70% of the beam.

@user-hj7ld4ff7p 4 месяца назад

Yes, sconce the heck out of external lights. Looks better, aids security, helps not only the neighbors but oneself, is kinder to proximate species, and pollutes the night sky less. That all humans always don't do this is a sign of species degradation. We're insane.

@steveforbes8287 4 месяца назад

From what I have seen lighting designers have little knowledge about how light really works in the real world but, only how works on computers. They make some of the nastiest lighting ever known. The automotive industry is probably the worst with the newer high power lights on vehicles which have quantitatively shown higher accident rated specifically do to their efforts. Since the lighting manufacturers have had a major financial influence on the DOT those studies are hard often buried or discounted. My preference is to reduce as much lighting as possible. Not only can we help nature but would reduce electric consumption (pollution?) and actually increase safety. That is only the tip of a very, very long lecture which can be given some other time.

@denniscerletti2244 4 месяца назад

Tesla now has individual pixel headlight beams, they had them project the spelling of TESLA at the opening of Giga Texas, inside the buildings walls. Adaptive matrix headlights, turn off pixels aimed at oncoming headlights.

@nunya___ 4 месяца назад

@@steveforbes8287 I'm not a scientist but I think brighter Yellow head lights are better because of less impact on the pupil so better night-vision retention.

@zhuljens 4 месяца назад

@@denniscerletti2244 VW has it for decades already

@steveo89ification 12 дней назад

Thanks for this info! I have been watching - learning a lot! Appreciate the uploads Anton

@zipzilip2657 24 дня назад

you opend my eyes yet again i will now try to help my bug friends every time i can when i see them trapped by lights and not be annoyed by them except Moskitos those are still annoying love your stuff Anton❤

@frequentfrenzied 4 месяца назад

Insects also seem to be attracted to radio sources. I've worked with 2.4Ghz radios that are commonly used for wifi applications, and I find that if they are mounted outdoors then they often get swarmed by clouds of insects much like a light bulb would. It seems like they are affected by a wider range of the electromagnetic spectrum than just visible light.

@LickItTM 4 месяца назад

Wasps and spider love to sit on the cameras outside my house. There has to be something about electronic components.

@fogcat5 4 месяца назад

@@kopiko10 i bet it's because the router is a nice warm safe place

@christopherkucia1071 4 месяца назад

Uhhhh EVERYTHING is that is electro magnetic. Like us.

@dustinsmith8341 4 месяца назад

I've found bugs to be far more attracted to flourescent lights more than LEDs. I had always assumed it was due to the 60 Hz humming of the ballasts and/or some kind of UV leakage from the flourescents. 60 Hz isn't quite 2.4 GHz but there may be some 2.4 GHz range noise coming from the ballast as well.

@TheGoodContent37 3 месяца назад

I always thought they were attracted to warmth instead of electromagnetic spectrum

@jacobvlogz87 3 месяца назад

“Why are you flying in circles?” “I HAVE NO IDEA HELP ME PLEASE”

@tj-nu7iu Месяц назад

I was just thinking about this the other day whilst driving at night & thought I’d better look this up when I get home. Thank you Anton!

@Jatski_pelaa 2 месяца назад

really cool and interesting stuff! i hope we will get better light design in the future due to these discoveries

@THarSul 4 месяца назад

the astronomers of the world will be glad to hear this, cause using fewer lights at night, and changing to downward facing lights each reduce ambient light pollution, which is better for civilian/urban astronomy, and better for everyone’s sleep cycles

@user-hj7ld4ff7p 4 месяца назад

__ Humans are fools who don't understand how lights work. Or perhaps...because they understand all too well. They shine lights in each other's eyes, assaulting a thousand strangers every evening, so they will not be able to see the fierce dark universe above their heads. They fear its weight, its infinite heft, its infinity. They fear the very idea of it. They shine lights into the eyes of the wee creatures as an act of revenge against those who take delight in the night forest. Everywhere humans go they lay waste to the world. Truly the saddest creatures in the galaxy, these humans, and because of their deeds, they fear the dark. --Thor

@karisdraws4061 4 месяца назад

Well let's hope that urban executives listen to urban designers. Light pollution is just not taken very seriously unfortunately.

@Velereonics 4 месяца назад

Ok but how do I get my boyfriend to stop looking at tiktok before he sleeps

@karisdraws4061 4 месяца назад

@@Velereonics Upload a virus on their servers and delete everything. You'll do humanity a service.

@grilsegrils9330 4 месяца назад

Just wait until EU regulators start getting at this 😂 Poor green house farmers

@ChrisBallProjects 3 месяца назад

Re: colour - it wasn't a formal study, but I once set up a lighting installation with large areas of white canvas illuminated by red, green and blue light. I noticed that different species and sizes of insects tended to accumulate on the different colours.

@rainbowiaxiao6050 3 месяца назад

Now someone may get a new essay to write.

@skittles2 3 месяца назад

This could be a reference to deeper study for specific insects being attracted to specific spectrum.

@marsdacreator 3 месяца назад

You could actually formulate a study on this based on something like wavelength on the visible spectrum

@ChrisMALUKAI 3 месяца назад

you're about to change lives! please write officially something about it

@flambambam3578 3 месяца назад

I'd be curious to see if there is any correlation between the colors they "orbit" around and the colors of plants they typically feed off of/pollinate.

@RonColeArt Месяц назад

This reminds me of how many of us see images of craters on the Moon as bumps instead of bowl shapes if the images of craters we're looking at have the light striking the craters from the bottom of the image toward the top. We instinctively expect light to be coming from above causing us to mentally invert the shapes we see when the light is coming from below.

@taetannim3581 Месяц назад

Love your work, man! Keep it up!

@Denise11Schultz 4 месяца назад

When I have a house full of flies, because of a bad screen or door left open, here is my trick. If you turn on the cable TV to the channel that doesn’t receve (usually either 3 or 4), it will be a very appealing blue light. At dark, turn off all the other lights and just have the blue screen glowing. All the flies will land on it and you can scoop them up 4 or 5 at a time, with a clear plastic cup and postcard (we call it the taxi). Then they can be carried outdoors until they’re all outside. Works like a charm.

@WhiteThumbs 4 месяца назад

I also give taxi rides, jainist style. Other times I just turn on a light to a room I'm not using and then close the door aft 5 min , so I eat unabated

@Gigawattt 4 месяца назад

Or just fix your screen lol 😅

@Flash1857 4 месяца назад

Awesome, will try this sometime

@williamfowler616 4 месяца назад

lots of time on your hands?

@Denise11Schultz 4 месяца назад

@@williamfowler616 no, more Jainist.

@johnrule1607 4 месяца назад

I replaced an outdoor porch light with a warm frequency LED bulb. The flying insects disappeared. All of them! My conclusion was that it was the ultraviolet light that one might find normally in a daylight bulb that attracts them. The warmer frequency still looked like normal lighting to me but for the insects it made all the difference in the world.

@Knightfall21 4 месяца назад

what model LED did you use?

@benvinar2876 4 месяца назад

This wS my thought. I would bet it has a lot to do with the frequency or vibration being produced.

@FLPhotoCatcher 4 месяца назад

A warm light would look similar to a fire, so maybe a lot of bugs instinctually avoid fires.

@transtubular 4 месяца назад

Except that normal LED lights do not emit ANY UV light. Not even "near UV" frequencies. White LEDs use an actual blue emitter with a coating to shift the color to a variety of white but it isn't UV. I suspect that it might in fact be light closer to white in the visible range that is causing this. Maybe even blueish light.

@willfullyinformed 4 месяца назад

I found similar using the LED color bulbs. I figured this out on accident last season because it was attracting so many bugs that we couldn't open the door without hundreds flying in, so I replaced the bulb and changed it to blue, red, and other colors trying to mimic the yellow "bug light". The insects do not gather around it nearly as much if at all, and you can set them bulb on a timer with the remote to turn off. Blue, green, orange, and red seem to work really well for us. Makes sense, when I use a UV flashlight to search for horn worms in the garden, every insect on Earth is ramming my nose into oblivion.

@orionbarnes1733 8 дней назад

Wait, it's just dorsal light response? I'm so angry now that I didn't realize something so obvious. They just view lights as "up" and get stuck travelling in a circle because the light is too small. Wow, that was frustratingly obvious

@alexandergu7797 2 месяца назад

Maybe this could be used to make a configuration of lights to guide bugs out of indoor spaces without needing us to be there.

@user-wl2vk4eo4y 3 месяца назад

Dang. Bugs used to scare me when at night and always seeing them close to lights near walkways. Now I just feel extreme pity and sadness for them in equal measure. Side note: It's crazy how once something is discovered, you can notice it instantly when knowing what to look for. Up until we know what's happening we just have no idea. Even with it literally flying in front of our faces. Science is absolutely amazing

@mikewilliams6025 3 месяца назад

Human children with more consciousness than bugs are exterminated everyday through abortion.

@JorisDM 3 месяца назад

Using long, dim light sources (such as an LED strip) instead of a bright point source like a spotlight to light up your area would seem like a solution to not trap the bugs in a specific orbit, but allow them to follow the general light direction out of the area. It's also more pleasant for humans, to have a soft light coming from a big source instead of a harsh point source.

@lpc9929 3 месяца назад

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@LuisLupina 3 месяца назад

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@LinA-it9vd 3 месяца назад

If I can only convince my neighbours.

@squidikka 3 месяца назад

agreed@@lpc9929

@agnidas5816 3 месяца назад

or you know ... put up a bug screen in your room.

@dustrockblues7567 6 дней назад

I hate light pollution. Lots of houses in my town have lamps in their yards and porch lights on 24/7

@genomind 4 дня назад

Thank you for making a Video on this study, it was really interesting to watch and well explained

@user-mf1xl6wq1f 3 месяца назад

I'm interested how this applies to screens. I've noticed that moths & other bugs often land on laptop screens at night and then they just walk on it, without flying away

@nateanderson2797 3 месяца назад

They do this on windows and walls near a light source despite being capable of flight, which would continuously expose the dorsal side to the source in a wall situation but the ventral side in MANY window situations. (They stick to the door until they can come inside, install a lever door handle for your knee or parumpus so both hands are free for the impromptu flamethrower)

@ruekurei88 2 месяца назад

@@nateanderson2797 Doesn't quite explain the laptop thing tho. I have often wondered this myself, since it's usually a specific type of insect that does it. I'm guessing other insects may avoid humans, but that one type of insect doesn't see us predatory or a threat, so will constantly fly onto screens with humans right in front of it, whereas other insects will orbit other lights which will be free of humans in general.

@skaruts 4 месяца назад

Strange. I thought this was already established knowledge for a long time now. I mean, this was actually the explanation I was given when I was a kid. That they instinctively reorient themselves according to light sources as if they were the sun or the moon, and since they're so close to the light, they keep reorienting themselves. This is what I, and many people I know, already believed for decades.

@adamofblastworks1517 4 месяца назад

Maybe they only just now verified this theory.

@artha1679 4 месяца назад

Believed but not proven. They have just proven it now.

@Napoleonic_S 4 месяца назад

Erm that is covered in the video, the old hypothesis was about attraction, this is not attraction but instead it's pure reflexes if you really think about it, for an analogy imagine something that causes your body balance to get wrecked while you're just doing normal walking and automatically you're naturally without any thinking trying to not fall over and over again.

@klnzd 4 месяца назад

just wait till they apply the data through AI and actually ask a question of quality beyond the human designated 'line of understanding' only to find that the question asker is also in the same experience as that they are observing. No doubt that we Innately have a deeper sense of knowledge in Natural Laws and Cosmic Orders than scientist keep recompiling their theories and adding a new headline~

@davideizzo2683 4 месяца назад

my math textbook literally said they used parallel light from distant sources for flight and that was why they were fucked up by close sources

@jankohrajko Месяц назад

Hmmm why do they try to get inside our homes then? I have to open windows at night to cool the room and even with my blinds shut, insects try to get in and close to my light. By this theory, they should not get trapped as they cannot sense any light trough the blinds and yet... I know some light gets through, but outside are much more powerfull sources.

@saltynadsack 4 месяца назад

Less light pollution would be great for those of us who like to look up. It's got so much worse since I was a kid.

@GraveUypo 4 месяца назад

weird. it has gotten massively BETTER for me. around 10 years ago they started changing all night lights in my city from those amber flood lights to narrow downward-facing leds. I used to be able to see light pollution of my city from 150km away, easy. Now, it's not visible anymore at that distance, and from upclose it's just a dull colorless light. like the city is always bathed in a full moon. a massive improvement. i can actually sky-watch at home. i mean, it's still shitty, but i used not to be able to see meteor showers and satellites at all. now i can.

@BigBrotherMateyka 4 месяца назад

I now live in an age of starless skies.

@cybervigilante 4 месяца назад

Now, kids don't even know there is such a thing a stars - except in SciFi movies. Years ago, laying on your back looking at the immensity of the starfield led to Deep Thoughts.

@sandwaves5642 4 месяца назад

So - u didn't see the movie " Don't Look Up" ?? 😱😱

@poopMcGee2012 4 месяца назад

lightbulbs are literally THE symbol of technology and ingenuity💡💡 I would much rather see human created lights than some gay stars ⭐🏳‍🌈

@gasdive 4 месяца назад

I'm sure I read this explanation decades ago. If you try to keep your flight path at a constant angle in relation to a nearby object you'll either spiral in or spiral out. If the object is far away (like the moon) then keeping your flight path at a constant angle means you fly straight.

@NeutroniummAlchemist 4 месяца назад

Me too. The only thing that was new to me was the idea that they were trying to keep their back to the light.

@klop3re 4 месяца назад

@@NeutroniummAlchemistI read that information with the back in a shitpost science diagram group 😂

@MAZZI100 4 месяца назад

@@NeutroniummAlchemist it was very sad to see them flying upside down when the light source was poniting up.

@le_bodo 4 месяца назад

Indeed, it has been known for years that the reason was the insects' navigation system, so to speak, relative to the moon or the sun, being messed up by artificial light. Their point of reference being messed up, they end up spiraling. I read about experiments done in this light (pun intended) in a book by Richard Dawkins in 2006. Now the part about the back of the insects may be the novelty here, and this new research piece may explain in more detail this phenomenon, but the basic mechanics, as I understand, were already well established.

@jamesg1367 4 месяца назад

Exactly. I knew this as a child, and that was --- quite a while back.

@TheSquidNinja 2 месяца назад

Are mosquitos affected by this dorsal lighting response? If so, I wonder how effective it would be place an upward facing light on the ground, surrounded by either some kind of adhesive or chemical trap, or a zapping grid. Either way, the goal would be to have them spiral down onto the trap surfface surrounding the light source.

@glenm99 3 месяца назад

This is essentially the explanation my dad gave me in the 1980s. I was actually asking about gravity, how maintaining velocity at a right angle to a point will orbit you about that point, and he used the insects on our porch as a tool for visualization. So the idea must have been around for a long time, and only now did someone produce enough evidence for it to be worth publishing. That feels crazy, and I wonder how many other things in the world are widely and correctly believed but not rigorously demonstrated.

@MathematicsStudent 3 месяца назад

I came here looking for this comment! This is the explanation my dad gave me back in the 1990s. I seem to remember that he read it somewhere.

@Woodman-Spare-that-tree 3 месяца назад

My dad told me that in the 1960s. I’m sure the theory goes back hundreds of years.

@eyesofthecervino3366 3 месяца назад

I'm going to file this in the "how many Einsteins has humanity missed out on because they were too busy surviving extreme poverty to advance anything" slot in my brain.

@NotThisShipSister1 3 месяца назад

@@eyesofthecervino3366 My grandfather, father, and I, have been discussing the family traits of “the unfortunate genius” since the late 40’s . We request to be filed as well. And would like to inspect said slot as well, for data comparisons. Thank you.

@foxmulder7616 3 месяца назад

Like the "fact" that earth is spinning and revolving around the sun. Which is easily proved to be false just by observing the night sky 🌉 ✨

@edgarwalk5637 4 месяца назад

I remember insect light globes that cast a yellow/orange light, that insects can't see easily. Doing a search, I found that they still make bug resistant LEDs today.

@Lee-yr4ib 3 месяца назад

I remember those too. They didn't seem to interfere with the insects very much

@meh8982 3 месяца назад

Yes, we used to use those "bug lights" on our porch. They affected very few insects.

@mavisedwards 3 месяца назад

I use something like that and still get a ton of bugs

@richardwalton6993 3 месяца назад

@ulalaFrugilega 3 месяца назад

@@mavisedwardshow about experimenting with different colours? Maybe changing colours? Else, maybe an intermittent fan?

@erikt1713 8 дней назад

I learned this exact mechanism at school in Germany in 1990 and we even had to draw a diagram with constant angles to the light source and map out the moth's way. Nice to hear that it was confirmed.

@JP-rp2lh 3 месяца назад

Incredibly interesting! Thanks for sharing

@TheSilverSphincter69 4 месяца назад

I watched a tornado of moths fly into a fire we had out in the desert outside of town. Ive seen this before but not on the scale that happened that night. There was millions of moths at a rate that is hard to fathom ..making the flames go from about 2 foot high into a tornado of moth fire over 15 foot high...the next day there was the biggest pile of dead moths as far as 25 feet away from the fire pit in some places a foot deep.

@johannageisel5390 4 месяца назад

That's horrible.

@DesertSessions93 4 месяца назад

That's moth genocide

@duckduckgoismuchbetter 4 месяца назад

That's wonderful!😊

@absalomdraconis 4 месяца назад

@@duckduckgoismuchbetter : Moths are actually useful, so _not_ wonderful.

@johannageisel5390 4 месяца назад

@@DesertSessions93 Yes, exactly.

@alexsie3012 2 месяца назад

Thanks for that Anton. I have a beehive next to my house. Around the end of summer I get loads of outcast bees coming in at night attracted by our house lights. It’s very sad to watch knowing that they’re making their final flights. It’s also incredibly annoying because they make a lot of noise, especially as they get closer to the light source. They stop the moment the light is switched off though. Such is nature’s way I suppose.

@nicoraclejoyner 3 месяца назад

This is so interesting! Thank you for sharing! ❤

@higgme1ster 3 месяца назад

Anton the one thing that caught my attention was when you mentioned light pollution. I grew up on a rural farm in the 1960's I live now in the North Metropolitan Area of Atlanta. I am in the Interstate highway corridor not far from Dobbins Air Reserve Base, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Plant and the urban sprawl in general. The light here at night looks like dusk until morning. To an old guy like me, it seems sometimes like the stepped into the Twilight Zone. I remember watching out in the pasture on a hill for the Echo Satellite to go by in the sky only filled with stars, seeing Science Fiction come to life. It's all Science Fiction now too, but without any magic.

@jumpingman6612 3 месяца назад

Light pollution is horrendous.

@v1298 3 месяца назад

This comment feels beatiful somehow, in a poetical sense

@smkh2890 3 месяца назад

I am in suburban Queensland. The guy who lives beyond my back fence keeps his lights on at night, spoiling the darkness. My ambition, being a townie, is one day to see the stars in a really black night sky.

@Killerjerick 3 месяца назад

@@smkh2890 I'm also in suburban Queensland, more specifically Logan (don't hold it against me) and the council chambers have the brightest most horrendous lights on all night, there's 0 hope of stargazing around my area, drive a few hours west however and you can get what you dream of.

@mistermagnificence2112 3 месяца назад

@@v1298 I was about to leave a comment on how tragic and poetic this comment was ahahahahah

@Opnwindo 3 месяца назад

For many years I would spray for spiders at people's homes, 50 years to be exact. I would tell them to replace their lights with yellow lighting and then they wouldn't have the insects coming to the light and they wouldn't have the spiders coming for the meal. I had a lot of happy customers that no longer needed me. Frequency has a lot to do with a lot of things that we cannot see

@andyc8704 3 месяца назад

I work in pest control too. What light makes MORE insects? So I have more work. Mwahahaha

@jeffacallaway 21 день назад

While living in a small town in Mississippi I had exceptional success swapping green light bulbs for yellow "bug lights" around my extended patio. It dramatically reduced the amount of flying insects and made the space much more comfortable and livable at night. I suspect the color wavelength of the light source makes a great deal of difference and bears further research.

@JoseAlba87 8 дней назад

The amount of insects decreasing as I grew up. 30 years of living I have remembered scraping bugs off the windshield compared to nothing today.

@bobgoodall1603 4 месяца назад

That was what I was taught many years ago, that they were used distant bright lights which allowed them to fly in a straight line. This instinct was confused by close bright object which caused them to fly around while try to roughly keep the same angle to the light source. The sun and the moon are not going to change angle as they fly roughly straight.

@OnlyAFlame 4 месяца назад

interesting

@andrewsarchus6036 4 месяца назад

Ya that was always my understanding too. I learned this as a small boy.

@sava-smth 4 месяца назад

Well, now we have definite answer on that

@gaemlinsidoharthi 4 месяца назад

Likewise

@chaggy8409 4 месяца назад

Another good reason to start reducing the amount of light we use at night [along with actually getting to see the night sky again :) ]

@illuminati_Bal 4 месяца назад

Soo what do we do to reduce criminal activity 😅

@aaa-sz9ul 4 месяца назад

@@illuminati_Bal If more people had guns to protect themselves, criminals would be more scared of doing crime which affects others.

@squashua16 4 месяца назад

The one big problem with that is people can see in the dark.

@chaggy8409 4 месяца назад

Funny you mentioned that, I was thinking about that. May be enough to have all nighttime lights be those 'sensor' lights that activate when they sense motion. Might actually help with criminal activity because it has the added benefit of drawing people's attention to an area where light just popped on . . .

@thekaxmax 4 месяца назад

yellow lights for houses and roads; insects can't see that, won't affect them.

@luna5031 3 месяца назад

Thank you Anton, I hope we can help them. Many thanks for sharing this discovery. Take care

@Metameinitiatedbycontact 12 дней назад

Thanks Anton you are doing an important job we willl spread the word.

@potaterjim 3 месяца назад

😮 so the "navigating by the moon" theory was correct, essentially And also, they're basically getting caught in the bug equivalent of an eldritch location and can't figure out why no matter how long they fly, they can't get any further away

@anonymes2884 3 месяца назад

No. As per the video, it's not for navigation, it's just for "which way is up" i.e. it's part of the basics of flying, _not_ which direction they're flying in (they're not flying in any direction relative to the Moon, they're just exploiting the fact that the brightest light is "up"). (it'd be like us saying we use gravity to navigate because its pull tells us where down is - sure, we need to know how we're oriented _to_ navigate but it's not navigation itself)

@jojojo9240 3 месяца назад

@@anonymes2884 I think that's what people mean when talking about navigation though. Similarly, people also say seafarers used the stars for navigation.

@Felix-ve9hs 3 месяца назад

@@jojojo9240 It's like you're on the open ocean and look on your compass, but north keeps changing. ^^

@fredneecher1746 3 месяца назад

Basically, the bugs don't expect the "Moon" to be so close that they pass it in seconds. That's why they keep doubling back on themselves.

@Padraigp 3 месяца назад

@@fredneecher1746but they don't fly towards rhe moon do they and they fly towards light bulbs and bang against them like mad. Even screens. Now forgive me I'm wrong but when we navigate with a compass we don't go north and keep banging off the north Pole. We actually go in other directions while keeping in mind that the sun oor thee north is in a particular place.we don't go towards the thing we use to navigate..

@TopLob 3 месяца назад

Similar behaviors tend to happen with any creature who lose their method of maneuvering. We see the same thing happen with inner ear issues due to pressure or other causes. Suddenly you're unable to move properly despite keeping all other senses intact. Or when people are lost, they also tend to move in circles. They're not caused by the same factors, but the behaviors happen for similar reasons, losing senses that helps us maneuver. Same can happen with ants when they go into a death spiral. You lose an important maneuvering sense, and you end up walking in circles until you die.

@ZakFierce 3 месяца назад

I've read that blinded humans walking in spirals may actually be an intended evolved trait, as it keeps you from getting too far from the safety of the rest of your primate troop. Whereas this is an evolved response working against the animal. But I don't know if that's confirmed

@kosmique 3 месяца назад

a lot of animals instinctivly use light for something. for millions of years it was just a NATURAL, consistent thing. sun up, sun down. humans messed that up with artificial lights.

@bardsamok9221 3 месяца назад

The light orientation behaviour doesn't happen because of losing senses, it's the opposite, it's because they have a sense of where the light is. The previous theory that they were blinded by the light is a myth / disproven.

@bardsamok9221 3 месяца назад

This is a good example of the generalisation fallacy: "The behaviours happen for similar reasons, losing senses that help us manoeuvre." What is true though, is you have listed some things that can have movement related consequences, which is nice. But (1) they don't actually all have losing senses as a commonality. And (2) circling doesn't necessarily happen with 'any creature' that loses a sense or ability to manoeuvre.

@TopLob 3 месяца назад

@@bardsamok9221 This is a good example of intentionally-misinterpreting-what-someone-says-so-you-can-come-with-an-oppositional-reply fallacy.

@bajolunapod 3 месяца назад

God dammit I saw once of you're videos months ago and I loved them but I forgot to subscribe. The algorithm didn't suggest none from you and I forgot your name, suddenly you pop up. Instant subscription. Keep up the good work 💪

@mattk4093 Месяц назад

and you can bet this'll be claimed as the only reason for the behaviour now, even though it doesn't explain insects gathering on a lit wall and not flying around

@AffidavidDonda 3 месяца назад

i read about it about 20 years ago, the paper even mentioned which neurons got activated and had a drawing of angles changing when approaching an artificial light. so I guess rediscovered discovery... about this "why insects do not orbit moon" (about 10:00 in the video) - it was also addressed in the paper - natural light sources are from the perspective of a moth totally static no matter how long the insect flies - the angle to the ground stays the same and the right neurons stay activated when the moth flies straight.

@KidStradivarius 3 месяца назад

Could you link that older paper you read? I'd like to take a look.

@AffidavidDonda 3 месяца назад

@@KidStradivarius unfortunately I don't even remember the journal. must have been something regarding evolutionary biology by gauging my interests at that time.

@kennylex 4 месяца назад

My friend had a tray under his light to collect insects that had fly so long they had no more energy, it put them in the shadow and down there it was a bit of sugar water to keep them alive, the area they landed in was like a plate that had no walls. Now we got an idea for next summer to make make light that turn off 10 to 15 second every 5 minute and then just have two lights a bit separated, and hopefully this break the pattern and let them fly away.

@filonin2 4 месяца назад

Maybe just get a motion detector so your light is only on when needed?

@microman502 4 месяца назад

what's the light for? just use a switch

@Dead_Goat 4 месяца назад

It wont. This is very inaccurate based on bad research.

@freegee3503 4 месяца назад

Interesting! We have solar motion activated LED lights. They stay on continuously at night but remain very dim, just enough to see around the area. When motion is detected they brighted up for a time and then go back to dim mode. No insects! 👍

@bonquaviusdingle5720 4 месяца назад

Good Idea 👍💡

@xyz-yb6ep 2 месяца назад

Thank you for this channel

@curseofsasuke Месяц назад

Not sure if this explains how when you turn on a light bugs go toward it in the first place. and bug zappers. And which light is less likely to “attract” bugs.

@Justineyedia 4 месяца назад

Light pollution? Imagine how many insects we are affecting. When we tug on something in nature, we usually find it attached to the rest of the world.

@Crikey420 4 месяца назад

True that i pulled a donkey dong back in 2020 and the world changed forever

@Justineyedia 4 месяца назад

@Crikey420 In nature, nothing exists alone; everything is connected

@thefirstonyoutube 4 месяца назад

But in that case then why do they for example land on the window, facing the light and then continuously move towards said light source from behind said window?

@Justineyedia 4 месяца назад

@thefirstonyoutube the reflection off the window? That would be my guess

@domsquaaa4323 4 месяца назад

@sebastjanbrezovnik5250 Месяц назад

Amazing thanks for sharing this one.

@JoshuaFinancialPL 3 месяца назад

The going round and round the light thinking they're going straight, occasionally bashing their heads against unseen, immovable forces, being trapped in a pattern, involuntarily orbiting the shiniest object until something comes along and snaps them out of it ... What a metaphor for modern humans.

@allenwebb273 3 месяца назад

It seems like if you create the right shade pattern on the light you could direct the bugs into a region where they could escape / would fly away from a building etc.

@thrashtronaut999 3 месяца назад

Genius

@sharonmills6388 4 месяца назад

Reminds me of a holiday I had years ago in an A frame loch side cabin in Scotland. My friends left their balcony doors open and bedroom light on. When they went up to bed in the early hours of the morning, the walls of the room were completely black with insects! Interestingly, none of them were flying around. Got rid of them pretty quickly by turning the outside light on instead, but I will never forget it; gruesome and spectacular in equal measures.

@jelleroggen 4 месяца назад

So you would think they fly towards the light?

@_vizec 3 месяца назад

@@jelleroggenI would think given that they orientate their back to the light, if you have two rooms each with their own light, and take turns flipping the switch in each room, you might get an instance where the insect doesn’t get attracted to the light but is “captured” by it. If the insect is in one room and you flip the switch so now the light is in the other room, the insect will orient itself away from the light, but, due to the close proximity or obscurity from say the doorframe, the insect will correct for the change in light by sweeping around the room it currently is in until the highest luminosity of light is normal to their back. In this case the insect would find its way into the other room with the light that is on and then orbit around it as in the video. So they’re not following or being attracted to it, it’s more as if light exists and isn’t diffuse enough it will just optimize the differential of light between their back and their front, which ironically means they’ll move out of the dark room and into the lighter one, or if not, will grasp the wall opposing the light in the dark room.

@sharonmills6388 3 месяца назад

@@_vizec Yeah you explained it better than I could. The cabin was in the middle of nowhere, no street lights or anything for miles around, so I reckon that's why we got so many little visitors. Makes sense that they flew in and eventually landed on the walls with their backs to the light in the centre of the room, on the ceiling. Not sure how we would have got rid of them if there hadn't been an outside light: as soon as we switched the lights over they starting flying towards it. Not sure if the pitch black surroundings contributed but I think it probably did. Never even thought to take a pic, was in the days before smart phones, but we had cameras, guess we were too shocked to think about it, but really wish we had, what a sight!

@anonymes2884 3 месяца назад

The dreaded Scottish midge maybe ? They've literally driven unwary holidaymakers back whence they came. I remember going into a campsite washblock that had two fluorescent lights and seeing two almost perfect lines of midge corpses, maybe a centimetre deep, on the floor under each bulb (and back before I knew better, i've had times up in the Highlands in summer genuinely struggling to breathe without inhaling them, the little buggers were so thick in the air - I don't go without plenty of insect repellent and a headnet now). (near water from about May to September is the worst place/time for them and of course that, unfortunately, is arguably where/when most people visit too)

@sharonmills6388 3 месяца назад

@@anonymes2884 Haha you're not wrong there, I'm Scottish so I've had many encounters with them, I remember Loch Lomond being really bad, although I think they installed loads of midge killing machines a while back. I seem to remember it being mainly giant moths at the cabin, with a various other wee beasties in between!

@patriciabarlowirick 2 месяца назад

I have many water troughs for my horses. When the moon is bright there are a lot more moths drowned in the water. Reflections seem to disorient them as well.

@Thekin9koopa 24 дня назад

My favorite 420 friendly videos. Its interesting, starts conversations, and calming

@chriswebertreesurgeon 3 месяца назад

That's a good theory, and listening to it makes sense however it seems to fall apart with one key factor. Walking and crawling insects also gravitate towards the light. Are they also trying to tell which way is up? Take for example the common stink bug. It will fly to a lamp with a shade, then "walk" around the top of the lampshade "above" the light. Some will walk around in circles for hours. Others walk down into the shade to get closer to the light. Its quite warm in there. This indicates they are 1. Sensing the light from a distance and flying to it. 2. Positioning themselves close to the light source apparently for the heat. And since this theory doesn't account for the same attraction for crawling insects it seems like while this is an intriguing theory there needs to be more study done as there are simply unanswered questions the theory does not address.

@chriswebertreesurgeon 3 месяца назад

And if you think I'm wrong, just stick a solar garden light in your garden and watch the bugs perambulate around it all night until the battery dies out.

@marilyngoldie5946 3 месяца назад

The study was about flying insects like moths. Perhaps there is another study about walking or slithering insects around artificial light sources. I found this enlightening as a non-scientist.

3 месяца назад

Beetles being attracted to light is presumably a different mechanism than lepidopters and flies (both of which are panorpids)

@crazysquriel 3 месяца назад

You're absolutely right. This study was far from comprehensive with only 500 videos with only a few orientations of light fixtures. It seems they didn't even test their hypothesis after reaching their conclusion, by setting up multiple sources of light to see how it effected their flight patterns. What kind of legitimate scientific research doesn't test their hypothesis and attempt to prove themselves wrong? Doesn't seem like any actual science was occurring. There is way too much evidence of insects going towards light instead of the notion of them happening upon it and becoming trapped. Ask anyone who has ever left a television on at night only to see all of the insects in the house congregate into that room only and actively sit on the light rather than fly around confused and trying to only "go straight".

@bobojenkins5805 Месяц назад

crawling bugs do it for a different reason. Just because two species do the same thing doesnt mean they have to have the same reason for doing it. While your call for more study seems intriguing there needs to be more study done on your part before commenting

@user-bj5zs2tj8g 3 месяца назад

Anton, I'm touched by your compassion for these tiny creatures!

@user-wr2cd1wy3b 3 месяца назад

Dust birds!

@jamesirvine9493 Месяц назад

i find them disgusting but couldnt kill one, even when one flies into my windscreen i shake my head

@HotdogSosage 9 дней назад

Yeah, lovely person tbh.

@ferexx День назад

a possible hypothesis why moonlight doesn't cause the same spiral because the beams are basically parallel to an observer. same thing as if we were to drive along a straight line by keeping the moon on one side, we will end up more or less straight, or at least a very large loop.

@jurgen1111 Месяц назад

What I would find particularly interesting is the effects of different light colors. I remember a town/village which switched to red light for street lights to not disturb bats at night.

@EL_DUDERIN0 4 месяца назад

On the other hand, maybe we could start creating little "light paths" to lead the bugs out from our houses and yards and into our neighbor's yard.

@M-S_4321 4 месяца назад

Evilly clever

@peterd9698 4 месяца назад

Less amusingly but more practically, perhaps these arrows could guide pollinators.

@M-S_4321 4 месяца назад

@@peterd9698 I was thinking about that, but we'd still have to shut the lights off to allow the insects to follow their pollinator instincts. The strong light source clearly overrides other instincts.

@Daniel_P116 4 месяца назад

How would you make them choose the direction away from your house?

@user-ph7lt7wu6k 4 месяца назад

No,nie,z sąsiadami żyję dobrze

@mrcryptozoic817 4 месяца назад

We (Utah farming families) discovered in the 1950s that insects are far less attracted to yellow lights than white lights so for evening and night parties we always used deeply tinted yellow lights.

@whig01 4 месяца назад

And UV is used for the zappers to attract them.

@whearts 4 месяца назад

@@whig01 I like zappers

@The_Keeper 4 месяца назад

@@ddrigmaiden The light-receptors on their backs are probably be far more sensitive to near-UV and UV wavelengths.

@ryanhampson673 4 месяца назад

Makes sense, white light is the closest to natural sunlight of which they would be adapted to. Filtered light might have less of an effect because they haven’t evolved to sense it as well, or maybe to them it doesn’t “feel” as natural as sunlight.

@caesarsalad1170 4 месяца назад

@@whearts Bug gore gets on the surrounding walls 😹😹

@davidmendis1820 24 дня назад

Stay golden, Anton!! Much love. Thank you.

@dan1l00h 17 дней назад

Thanks for the information! It is always good to know the truth behind certains behaviors.

@apathtrampledbydeer8446 3 месяца назад

That t-shirt goes really well with the topic.

@_Mercival_ 3 месяца назад

The abstract mentions lunar navigation right off the bat. The prevailing notion up until this was that insects orient by sensing distant light sources with their compound eyes. A distant light source would stay in the same sections of the compound eye while moving, so the idea was when a light source would be close by, they would adjust their trajectory to keep it in the same section as well, therefore curving it. This seems much more elegant and simpler, but isn't really that revolutionary. We have known this to be a sensory malfunction for decades, we just assumed it was their eyes that are malfunctioning instead.

@MyName-tb9oz 3 месяца назад

See my comment about divers being able to answer this question instantly. If they asked the right question...

@pendlera2959 3 месяца назад

@@MyName-tb9oz You can't search youtube comments like that. If you want to spread your comment, you have to copy and paste it.

@MyName-tb9oz 3 месяца назад

Yeah, I know, @@pendlera2959. They've probably deleted it by now anyway.

@joseph-mariopelerin7028 2 месяца назад

@MyName-tb9oz sounds interesting... whats the title of your comment??

@DamianSzajnowski Месяц назад

@@pendlera2959 You can. Click their nickname. Should show you other comments on the channel.

@recompostion День назад

I always thought that it was that there were that many insects everywhere at night and it’s just the ones we see in the light that we perceive as “attracted to” instead of avoiding the light source. This reality is depressing. It’s light disturbing insects, as engine and prop noise disturbs whales.

@jacobbridges1954 День назад

Super interesting video! I'll never look at this phenomenon the same again.

@downflatdown6604 Месяц назад

Another extremely interesting topic to discover. Thanks for leading me down this path.

@muntenated 3 месяца назад

I'm glad you mentioned colour towards the end. We use yellow light around the camp at night and it significantly reduces the number of insects in camp. Great content. Very informative.

@suzKawasaki 3 месяца назад

Red light is good too

@radagast7200 3 месяца назад

I'm pretty sure Robert M. Pirsig talked about this decades ago in Zen and thr Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Not sure why this is considered 'new'.

@omp199 3 месяца назад

@@radagast7200 Maybe it's something to do with the fact that _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance_ is a work of fiction and not a peer-reviewed scientific paper. Hope that clears up your confusion!

@radagast7200 3 месяца назад

@@omp199 still. The idea has been around for decades. That was my point.

@radagast7200 3 месяца назад

@@omp199 also, it's not really a work of fiction, at least in the purist sense of the word. If black cleopatra can be 'based on a true story'... then Zen is outright non-fiction.

@wavion2 4 месяца назад

I think you could turn this to your advantage. If you had plants you wanted to pollinate, you could set up a light over it. Once you've attracted a bunch of insects, turn it off for awhile. Then turn on a light over a different patch of plants. Rinse, repeat.

@geobot9k 4 месяца назад

I wonder how much using a motion detector to shut off the light when motion is detected for at least a few minutes could help in this system

@Meevious 4 месяца назад

Unfortunately, this idea ignores the fact that pollinators actively seek plants to pollinate and would only be caught in the light trap when they are almost upon one. Wasting their time and energy when they approach such a plant will reduce pollination, not increase it.

@atlanciaza 4 месяца назад

What a bright idea. Might need a little polishing, but with enough time and attention I think this could be made effective.

@haywoodjablome440 4 месяца назад

The logistical nightmare youd be signing up for, just to pollinate. The physical lighting, the wiring, the power delivery. What about water proofing? Ick. It would be more cost effective to just send a few people with small paint brushes for a few hrs to do it manually, (and thats the most expensive of the conventional pollination methods 😅)

@pong9000 4 месяца назад

This is gonna exhaust the very pollinators you need to flourish.

@monacaravetta 14 дней назад

Fantastic episode!!!

@cptnmus8996 3 месяца назад

I consider it actually hopeful, we might now be able to engineer new light sources to counteract this effect. Great video once again 👍

@christopherpardell4418 4 месяца назад

This has Always been the explanation I have heard since my Jr. High days. That insects fly perpendicular to the brightest light source as a tropic response to sunlight and moonlight. This usually results in relatively straight paths because the moon and sun are so far away that they do not appear to have any parallax shift, but seem to remain fixed relative to your position. This response, I was told in Biology, is Tropic. Meaning its an inborn response to stimulus that the insect has no volition over. If they fly close enough to a porch light for its light to be stronger than the moon, they will bank towards is and as they pass it, try to keep the incident light perpendicular to their path. Because of parallax shift of the light relative to their motion, their path curves as they pass by, like they are a tetherball spinning around a pole because of the tether.

@meeeeee423 3 месяца назад

Fantastic explanation thank you

@fredneecher1746 3 месяца назад

@@meeeeee423 But wrong, as explained in this video. Insects simply recognise a bright light (Sun or Moon) to be "up", and so keep their backs to it. That way they can stay in the air. Navigation has nothing to do with it.

@VienerSchnitzel69 3 месяца назад

⁠⁠⁠@@fredneecher1746 Can you further explain why this summary is wrong? Navigation isn’t mentioned at all in the original comment, only tropism, which is what this type of response is. The insects DO try to keep the primary light source perpendicular to their path, that is exactly what the dorsal light reflex causes insects to do.

@littlewyzard 3 месяца назад

so then i guess this has been a popular theory for a while but just now proven?

@christopherpardell4418 3 месяца назад

@@littlewyzard AFAIK It was considered proven in 1973 when I first heard it from my biology teacher in lecture about the difference between tropic behaviors and learned behaviors as relates to instincts. e.g. female spiders tend to kill their mates after mating because they have no choice but to see anything that moves and is the right size as food. Evolutionary pressure resulted in males having a tropical behavior to approach a female for mating, dancing and displaying in a way that shut down the females hunting instinct. But once they had mated, evolution offered them no advantage for moving AWAY in the same manner so they might survive. A single mating provided enough sperm to last the female her lifetime. As a result, males ‘know’ how to get a female to mate. But they don’t ‘know’ how to escape once they have. Beyond their gene survival, evolution is done with them and can not drive other tropic behaviors to evolve. It can be argued that most spiders, both make and female, do not even ‘know’ that they are mating. Each behaves in the only way it can given the stimulus it is subjected to.

@kkwargs 4 месяца назад

Anton, you are truly a wonderful person. Only someone like you can emphasize with such tiny creatures and make us aware of the importance of lights for bugs.

@Literallyjustmint 3 месяца назад

Nah nothing matters no one matters 😅

@KalaConsciousness 13 дней назад

I want you to know you are my favorite scientist you went to sales school I see it you know how to keep eye contact I love your channel followed you for years and I think your not just good or ok but EPIC. Thank you for all your time man

@adazudiara4496 Месяц назад

at the beginning when he said that the reason of the bugs doing it will be something saddening i was saying to myself no matter what the reason i i would not feel bad at all since i see all these bugs ruining my room every evening, ngl after hearing out the actual reason it makes sense to me and idk i almost feel like to cry thinking that this things do not even know what heck is on going to them. it is soo much heart wrecking that how much of the ecology is ruined unknowingly by human being just because we wanted to have more comfort.. truly saddening but i wish there were a easy way out..

@unite4peaceonearth 4 месяца назад

Once in a while birds fly into my partially enclosed porch that has a large opening in the roof and a gate. If it's night time they cannot find their way out due to the flood lights inside, they just fly into the brightly lit walls when trying to encourage them. I figured out if I turn the lights out so it's dark they can finally find their way out through the ceiling opening from outside lights or the moonlight. This is a similar concept maybe?

@FourthRoot 3 месяца назад

This isn't a new explanation. This explanation is exactly why I've always known why insects gather around light. They use a bright light source as a navigation vector. If they happen to be traveling slightly away from the source, they will spiral away until it's too dim to influence them. And if they are traveling slightly toward it, they will spiral in and get trapped. That's always been the explanation.

@AttiliusRex 3 месяца назад

Yeah this is exactly the same as a human trying to follow a straight path according to a compass. As you approach the emitter (earths poles) you will spiral around it until you reach the pole. Except insects arent sentient so they have no idea their sensors are failing

@svr5423 3 месяца назад

seems they don't have an inertial reference unit installed

@smellslikev2arm 2 дня назад

maybe a very small (even if bright) light source, encased in a very large dome (large enough to encompass the orbit that they normally would try to fly in) that _does not diffuse the light_ from the smaller source within might help the design could then be scaled up when greater diffusion is wanted, maybe