Is it just me or are they using the wrong gender? Despite the possibility of them sourcing white power input chassis mounts, the twist goes the wrong way for power input, meaning they've used an output mount for power in. Right?
@@simoncox9349 you are correct the blue connector should be used for input while the white connector is used for output for daisy chaining multiple devises to one power cord. Probably did it for Aesthetic purposes.
AFAIK PowerCon, PowerTwist (aka TR1) and SpeakOn (for powered audio signal) are the only twist locking connector from Neutrik. Other connectors (XLR, RJ45 aka EtherCon, etc.) have simple latch mechanism
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 most likely logistics. They are coming from different manufacturers, so having to intake, assemble, repackage, store, ship, etc is just going to drive up cost and be a headache for something that is a small batch passion project.
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 Aside from the choice of GPU(maybe some of the new SFF 4060s can also fit), all motherboards will be able to fit in perfectly, just the cable routing would be a pain for front I/O motherboards, that's it. Since the extra space on the right side of the YTX motherboard would be absent for regular ITX motherboards, there should be enough room for cable management, but it just won't be pretty.
I saw the original video of that build months before, and I was blown away by how flawless it looked. I never expected this build to appear in LTT. I wish builds like this can be produced for mainstream consumers at a more affordable price.
the DIY ape line is aready a small standard in china and has around 10 motherboards and similar numbers of supported cases from various manufacturers, so hopefully this trend picks up and goes global
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The increased width on the board is actually something I would like to see adopted more by mainstream board manufacturers. Since gpus are getting so much longer it makes sense to let the mobo to start using a bit of that space that case manufacturers already leave for the gpu
Agreed! For the amount of R&D and effort and custom manufacturing that had to go into that design, as well as the beefy and precision-machined parts, I think the price point is very reasonable. Very impressive little unit unlike anything I've seen with that hybrid open-air design and seemingly using the case itself as a heat sink for some passive cooling a bit like the CompuLab Airtops. Hopefully we see similar but more modular/upgradeable designs follow.
@@Kaparzo Given how much of our stuff is "Made in China", there is a good mix of good and bad out there. There is also stuff that seems only targeted towards the Asian market, for whatever reason. Exploring the tech markets in China, Japan and Taiwan can be interesting.
This is an impressively engineered case. Everything fits together so perfectly and looks so well integrated together. The price honestly isn't crazy considering the low volume and high level of machining needed to make each case.
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with the amount of engineering, designing and machining...350 is basically a steal. i would not have been surprised if the case would have been double that. holy moly those tight fitments and tolerances. absolute respect.
The only downside to a small form factor is that if an intruder steals it, it's mobile enough so that you'll never see it again. No wonder it had to be so solid, a good offehsn is a good defense.
Whether you fight with it or chuck it into a bag, I'd be very worried over how likely you are to have the fans intact afterwards. Also, sticking objects into the fans or grabbing it absentmindedly might lead to unforseen consequences.
I love everything about this. I love it so much. I'm so glad he sent you this. I literally tinker with my stuff so much that semi-open or open air has always made more sense for me so this is just so fun to see. I see this in my future. Thanks for featuring this.
The SFF community has been very interested in this case since it came out, but the way it only works with very specific components/motherboard has always been a roadblock. Still, looks super sick, and a lot of people have tried to copy it for other motherboard/CPU combos.
The motherboard form factor looks awesome. I can totally see this as cool inspiration and I would love to 3D print a case like this for the parts I have.
White powercon connectors are supposed to be outlet connectors (ie to supply power). In this application it should be the blue variant (which is keyed differently ). Very common issue with grey import products.
Ducting is such an understated design aspect for SFF especially. I've daily driven a Dan A4 for a few years now and the difference was monumental once I installed the noctua foam duct on the L9a low profile heatsink. The actual temps themselves didn't really drop all that much but the difference it made for keeping the flow of air consistent was super noticeable. The active cooling on the chipset used to ramp up all the time once air started recycling in the case and snowballing; and those little
That power connector is called a PowerCON connector made by Neutrik. They're products are industry standard for event production. It's really cool to see one used in this way however its slightly upsetting because they used the white connectors instead of the blue connectors. The reason this matters is because white is supposed to mark a power output, and blue is to mark a power input. The purpose of this is for equipment that has both ports on it so you can daisy chain the power.
Important PSA: the gray powercon connector is for outputs, so if you plug it in the correct receptical, the metal prongs on the connector would be live Edit:typo
Yes BIG OH NO there and its also pretty shure not original neutrik. This could legit kill someone. (But fun fact Neutrik Powercon can go up to 20A and you shouldnt unplug it while powerd)
@@aurelbergkemper1302 normal powercon would also be fine, if they would use the correct side (although I agree that TRUE1 is the much better connector).
Love the idea of powercon for pc power input as its much more secure. 2 things that worry me is that 1, that white powercon is meant for OUTPUT so that is wrong, power con is not actually rated for a lot a power, 20 amp max, 15 recommend
That mobo PCB layout makes heaps of sense. It'd also let them do 5v/3.3v power conversion. You could potentially have an insanely compact even higher powered flex ATX 12VO PSU as a result. With m.2 expansion being such an important thing now, this form factor makes heaps of sense.
The formfactor and component placement make sense the issue is flex ATX PSUs aren't common and really to get one you probably have to print you own PCB. When you get into printing you own PCB you have gotten into company secrets for how intel or AMD connect to the motherboard electrically. Now if you had that as a open thing you would have many people just printing their own motherboard instead of having to make it fit the shape a motherboard manufacture made. Would it be more expensive to do it that way? Maybe depends on the design they use but for most it is normally done for size requirements are different from the standard.
@@yumri4 Power connections are not trade secrets. You know what voltages you need, just make a power supply that produces them. You might have to print a PCB for the PSU, but that's not nearly as difficult as a motherboard.
@@canadajones9635 I am talking about the traces from the CPU socket to the other components is the trade secrets. The power connector voltages have to be known by the consumer for it to be used.
As I'm sure many have said before that's a white powerCON connector and the appropriate one should be blue. It's mainly inferred but I haven't seen anyone state it, they included the "appropriate" power cable which is effectively a male to male power cable or a "suicide cable". If this cable is plugged into the wrong thing (like the output of a light on the white end) it creates exposed live contacts that one can potentially electrocute themselves on! Edit: To fix this electrical safety costs around £10 GBP (Per unit) depending on suppliers as well as aesthetics
I appreciate finding this comment, I had the exact same reaction to the white powerCON, while I understand the aesthetic choice it does fall outside of the standard setout by Neutrik when designing the connecter. Still disapointed no PowerCON True1
Funny story, Linus turned the unit on in the video at the same time my neighbor started trimming their hedges, so for half a second I thought the electric hedge trimmer was the sound of the case fans.
This is honestly a great way to build a PC and I would love it if the manifacturer would make more of those and if they were better for upgradability even if it would make it more difficult to create and probably cost more
That white connector is a PowerCon OUTLET connector, not inlet. They've supplied you with a male to male cable, which for most usual people wouldn't be noticed but can be very dangerous.
There's actually nothing wrong with cable, the only thing is that it should be blue. You're right that white is the colour of powercon thru, but the housing is correct.
@KILLERMOON CZ I was just estimating the start time, because it was a while before I commented on it. I closed and reopened youtube and it was a consistent desync.
Feel like the YTX, hopefully if it becomes more common, motherboards and similar style cases may be the saving grace of SFF cases looking at this thing. Beautiful look to it, very small, I love the semi exposed parts. A different version of this style could probably support even some of the newer GPUs from the 40 series which almost all are absolute bricks, just make the case a bit longer.
it's really awesome that they have B-roll of the individual parts afterwards to show everything linus is mentioning or talking about really helps with seeing and understanding, better than if they showed him pointing inside the case where you barely see it from the camera
It's pretty cool to see Chinese companies go from extremely sketchy products to really nice products that are a bit rough on the edges now but the companies that produce the products today will be producing truly premium products in the next 10-20 years.
Up to the mid 70s, Japan was considered the make of cheap, low quality products, and it was mostly justified. There was a transit period of 5 years max, and then with companies like AIWA we started to see really high quality products that were not cheap anymore, but were a solid buy. I tried to say this before - do not deduce from the current sketchy state of Chinese quality that it will always be so. I', happy to see a top-quality product like that.
@@MoreLessTer China does final assembly for most things, but they usually don't design the products. Your iPhone might say "made in China" but not a single component or element was engineered there. Korea, Japan, and Taiwan have bigger roles in the iPhone production but since all the final parts were assembled together in China, it says made in china.
Funnily enough, even when using what appear to be genuine Neutrik connectors they still use the wrong one (Grey should bs used for power outlet from a device, blue should be for power input)
This motherboard is not even expensive in mainland China, it's a H610 chip. The design is base on cutting down the space under the first pcie slot on a convensional mATX motherboard to save cost, since your gpu will cover it anyway, and use the extra pcie link for m.2 on the side. The power delivery isn't very good (another spot to save cost) so the heatsink on the mos is actually essiential (unlike those on the highend motherboard). It price like a mATX board which cost 666 Chinese Yuan at launch (about $95) and you literally could buy multiple itx boards for that price. Sadly, although the screw hole is compatiable with any mATX cases, there are only few cases support the back-plugging system, the idea didn't really take off. Personally I really like the design philosophy behind it and I hope LTT's video will give this form factor a second change.
Those Neutrik powerCON connectors are fantastic, but they have selected the wrong ones for this application. the gray panel-mount connector on the PC is supposed to be an ‘outlet’, usually as mains passthrough on a piece of equipment, and gray cable-mount connector which mates with it is expected to be used on the Source side of any cable it’s fitted to. This cable should be destroyed immediately; while it will work perfectly safely with this PC, if it ends up in your warehouse and someone grabs it not knowing how wrong it is, they could plug it into any lights/equipment using correctly configured powerCON connectors and end up with the domestic plug end live at mains voltage. This is what electricians call a widow maker.
The editing in this video was hilarious, I love that even the editors have their own expression and humour in videos now. Top Tier Talent & Tech Tips ❤
I would actually love to see a duct modded system done by you guys! Maybe let Alex go all-out and design a case specifically for it. I run an NHD15 on a 13900K with no fans on the heatsink itself. There is a duct from my 140 mm intake fan and a 120 mm exhaust fan that are in a solid duct to it. The GPU also gets an airflow guide from the other front 140 mm fan.
This case is completely designed for this specific YTX motherboard and this asus 3060ti dual. And it costs huge because the case was CNC machined from a whole piece of aluminium, and that's why the case is named as For Fun. And that Ape guy really managed to design and popularize the standard of back connectors motherboards and cases together with MSI, ASUS, Maxsun, and case manufacturers SAMA, Jonsbo, aigo, Lianli. There are several back connectors motherboards and dozens of cases can be purchased on Chinese market. Hope to see more manufacturers available on market.
DIY-APE(the creator of this motherboard) needs more recognition from the Western tech space, basically he singlehandedly pushed the back connector concept to the Chinese market, not only as a concept but as a mass-production product. this is the list of some of his products: 二号(DIY-APE B660 Revolution): M-ATX, made by ASUS 三号(DIY-APE B760 Revolution): M-ATX, made by ASUS, the same board as ASUS B760M-BTF 四号(DIY-APE H610 KING): YTX, made by Maxsun 五号(B650 APE WIFI): M-ATX, made by MSI, the same board as MSI project zero Compatible case list: SAMA(先马): IM02(趣造2), 2251(易大师进化版), 新境界, 大境界. ASUS A21(追影) Jonsbo U4 MINI Segotep Gank 360S-APE(直男360青春版-APE) And more are coming soon, ThermalTake and Silverstone already show off their design at Computex 2023 Some products in the same universe: Segotep GM850W-APE with side connector(on sell) Colorful B760-BACK and RTX4070 with hidden cable(coming soon) ASUS no GPU cable combo(show off at Computex 2023, expect launch at Q3, not just a concept!)
PowerCON!!! Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would see those outside of event/theatre tech space o-o but I'm all for it. Pleasant theatre geek aspect aside, this is actually a really neat build. Not something I would necessarily recommend to friends looking for small footprint builds, but the widened MoBo especially makes absolute sense. I would like to see the designer continue developing this line of thought and see where it can go. If it can hit a mass production (preferably with some fan covers to protect the fingies and kitty tails), I wouldn't be opposed to suggesting this as a prebuilt for someone in studio apartment.
Honestly? This lil man is so sleek. I GENERALLY won’t look at your reviews and be like: I need that. You win this time. I need this. I’m not a gamer, I do a TINY bit of graphic design (but mostly on my iPad), and generally just watch RU-vid/visit social media. A perfect, tiny machine.
This looks absolutely fantastic. I would freaking LOVE for a manufacturer to start making modular parts so we could build PC cases out of components, I think that'd be SO cool. Imagine something like this, only customizable. Or using your small PC case of your not-so-powerful machine and putting its parts into a new, bigger case, so you don't have to just completely get rid of the old one and pay for a full new case. Reusability and customization, baby!
Not exactly sure what you were saying, but as far as modular.... InWin has that "case" that is "modular", purchase which modules you want, then you pick the layout.
Making YTX an official unofficial standard would make so much sense, though that spot has a tendency to become the PSU spot in lots of cases. Possibly could be really good for a YTX12VO standard, since the motherboard needs do PSU duty anyway.
This is an absolutely beautiful and brilliant product! I would have to insist on having some sort of protective grille across the fans (and perhaps a mesh filter for dust) but beyond that I'm extremely impressed.
This sort of content is why LTT is amazing,i love the unique and bizarre items they find to have a look at and share with us,Fantastic custom little system there,I think if they changed the ram for White Corsair LPX modules which are less taller than those Lexar Modules it would look even better!
They could maintain a list of suitable GPUs and sell those different U-shaped side panels to accommodate the shrouds. But let's face it, you get to that level of specifics and your market size goes to near zero. But it's such an awesome design!
