Have to factor in the amount of powder in each cartridge and the ft lbs of recoil. Doesn’t apply if your hunting only and not shooting much. Enjoyed the video and always root for Weatherby! I haven’t drank the Big Red koolaide and have no plans anytime soon! Thanks
Thank you for explaining what “inherent accuracy” really is. All cartridges can be accurate if loaded meticulously. Some cartridges are just easily accurate and accurate over a wider variety of ammunition. That’s what “inherently accurate” is. It doesn’t mean that some cartridges will never be accurate.
My 300 wby is very accurate. I love it, and my dad as well shoots the 300 win. Both awesome rifles but I'm happy I went with wby. I'm messing with prc lately and I'm impressed with the results I been getting with the 7 pcr. I love your content man, keep it up.
Nowadays there is a trend among hunters to believe that match grade accuracy is more important than other aspects such as velocity/energy and bullet construction. Originally, Weatherby cartridges were designed as HUNTING cartridges that shoot flat and deliver a lot of energy, which in most hunting situations is of more significant advantage over a super accurate load (0.5 inch tigheter at 100 yards?). However, weatherby cartridges do produce a sharp recoil that doesn’t go well with a super light rifle, which may cause some shooters to develop a flinch, that have contributed in the perception of weatherby cartridges not being accurate enough.
I'm glad that you liked my comment about your 300 WBY and I'm also very glad that your experiences with the 300 and 257 have been so positive. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if you had begun your Weatherby adventure with the Mark V rather than the Howa made Vanguard that you probably would not have gotten the accuracy that you did with the Vanguard. I have owned two Mark V's and my accuracy with those guns were not the best. I very much liked the quality feel of the Mark V, I liked the safety, and they fed cartridges as smoothly as anything I ever used. But I just did not shoot the Mark V that well. For a long time Weatherby had a 1.5 MOA accuracy guarantee for the Mark V, and that's actually a pretty good representation of what you can actually expect from it. Dollar for dollar, you get more for your money with the Vanguard. It is made in Japan, and for a very long time they have been turning out excellent rifles under the Howa and the Weatherby names. Weatherby calibers have parallel shaped throats vs funnel shaped throats in the standard magnum calibers and there's been some very accurate rifles in the Weatherby calibers, and you sure don't lack performance with them. But if I were you, I would try to get some range time with a Mark V before spending the money on that new 340 WBY you're wanting. I very much doubt you'll shoot it as well as you've done with your Vanguards.
Hey, man. Thanks for producing such awesome content. I really enjoy it. I agree with pretty much. Everything you show the only reason I'm leaving a comment. It's for the 7PRC. And the 300wby You used a 175 grain bullet. And you put a big O fat 210 grain bullet in the 300 win I get just a little over 3200 feet per second with a 180 grain without pressure signs. With a 26 inch barrel. Saying it really wasn't a fair comparison. Regardless, the weather be as fasthe 300 wind Is way faster than the PRC. Anyway, keep up the awesome contact man. That's the only thing I've seen you post That wasn't a fair comparison. I have all 3 rifles, so I'm not knocking any of them. Just saying, do the data using the same bullet weight and the PRC will be the one in the rear. As far as I'm concerned, My 7 mag. Outperforms the PRC. With a lot better bullet selection. Because the p r c does not do well with bullets under 160gr the 7mag does well from 130gr upto 180gr And my 30 caliber that outperforms the weather be is my 300 rum. Keep up the awesome contact. Man just had to leave a comment. That was the only thing you've ever posthat. I would disagree with and it's only the fact you use the 210 gr bullet And a 175 for the other 2. God bless you brother and God bless America.
Thanks for the feedback. Was not my intent to make the 300 Win mag look bad. I thought using the 210 VLD would make it look pretty darn good. It did have the most energy at 1000 yards
One thing my grandfather has told me that has stuck with me. Is that it doesn't matter wats better it's how good u can get with wat u like to shoot and wats out there. Like he has said someone else in a different gun or the same gun same caliber can shoot just as good as u or the one out ten barrels was also made better. At the end of the day I've come to realize he's right. Man taught me a lot about rifles and shooting. I've circled back around after buying the new calibers to buy the older ones I've not gotten yet. I'm starting to learn his speech even after watching more of ur videos too. Oldies are goodys
Having owned over a hundred Weatherby’s in the the last 50 years and have owned all of them but the 460 which is too much of a good thing. When Roy came out with HIS cartridges he didn’t was they were the most accurate but has the most velocity and hydro shock. Norma made Weatherby ammo for years and the are a big part of Weatherbys success. Norma has always made good ammo for the price which is true even today. Of the 70 or more vanguards I have owned they are more accurate in most of their guns over the Mark 5. The Mark 5 is the strongest action on the market and one of the very hardest to make and much harder then most to make accurate because of all the 9 locking lugs. I bought some of the first Accumarks when they came out and for my dad the 30-378 was his dream gun even though I had bought him 4-5 Weatherbys before it. I payed a &1,000. For the rifle and $500. For 5 boxes of ammo. It shot more accurate then my accumark did in 300 Weatherby which surprised me but that’s the way guns are, just like people each one is different in its own way!
I'm not 100% sold that any one cartridge is objectively more accurate than any other. I see this as more of a testament to the quality of Weatherby rifles and quality ammo.
If you are into custom rifles go with the 8 mm Rem mag. 300 Wby brass - 300 H&H brass makes great 8 mm Rem mag brass. I have owned 300 Wby magnum rifles for many years and have one in a Mauser 98 custom and a Weatherby V-5 that is now on its way back to me from Pac Nor barrels because it was defective barrel that like aways Weatherby fails to take responsibility for defective guns. I owned a Rem 700 in 8 mm Rem mag that I would load with 185 grain Barns TSX bullets that I killed everything I could in Alaska and the Northern Oregon coast. There was an employee of Leupold who want the 8 mm Rem mag so bad what he paid for it was $800 more than I bought the rifle for.
I am happy, you are happy. My story, my experience with Weatherby's was not good early on as I worked as a Elk guide in my youth, 70's and 80's. Dude hunter's would show up in camp with Mark V Weatherby's 7mm & .300's most often. Most would not shoot well off the bench- tune up after travel. Yes, I tightened bedding, screws scope rings etc. One client said it was not neccessary, the rifle was zero'd at the factory. If they packed a Weatherby, I would grab my reliable little Husky. I did not like the mark V rifles at all My little old oinion
I have a weatherby but it's not chambered in a weatherby cartridge. I'm still researching the calibers. But the first thing I did was a barrel break in as part of weatherby's break in process. I've had on issues with that rifle as far as accuracy is concerned. Just an idea, love you video content.
Good to see. My 300 RUM is finicky on what it likes. Finally found I good load with a discontinued Nosler partition gold 180 grain bullet. It will shoot .2 to .3 pretty consistently at 100 yards. I do have a Timney trigger and HS prescion stock on it. I also had the barrel cryogenically frozen. Too bad they discontinued it. I have about 70 them left. It also shoots as good with 125 grain Nosler ballistic tips pushed around 3950 fps.
I'm guilty of having weatherby as my favorite also. 240, 257, 7mm and 375 weatherby. And not yet but soon I would like to own a 6.5-300 Weatherby. I can't say accuracy is an issue at all. My weatherby rifles are custom rifles chambered in Weatherby. Custom barrels with action or blue printed weatherby action with a new barrel. My 375 was my latest build and that rifle is amazing. Perfect all around.
Weatherby essentially invented the sub moa guarantee. Sold it in non weatherby cartridges from the gate. My first new deer rifle was and early vanguard sub moa in .270 and it wouldnt shoot over 1.5 moa. Reloading was never an issue. Weatherby makes great rifles.
Sounds like there are a bunch of paper shooters out there. I bought my Weatherbys to hunt with because of their hard hitting and accuracy. I can honesty say that i have never shot anything with either of my Weatherby rifles that i didn't get. You either a Weatherby fan or not. Most Weatherby fans like the feel and look of a nicely made gun. Sure there are other rifles that shoot just as accurate as a Weatherby, and are less expensive, but its just something about that pride that when you pull out a Weatherby Mark V Deluxe from a gun bag the looks and sounds that come from the crowd around you. Pride..... you either love them or hate them. The followers just LOVE THEM..
Love to see you get your hands on a 28 nosler with a 26-28” barrel. Adg brass. It will out run the 300 bee at longer range, and even short range if lighter bullet. Its a powerhouse
Its not about saving powder anymore. Its about maximize the amount of powder burnt per primer spent. So Weatherby is one of the most modern cartridges in most of the calibers. 😅👍
Question. I have the 210 Berger VLDs reserved for my 300WSMs but have yet to start those projects. May I ask if your father and brother have used that bullet in their 300WMs on game and if so, how did they do?
My only "con" to ever getting a Weatherby has been co$t. However, if I had spent that $, I would expect it to be accurate. I am sure that many have had accuracy/precision issues with Weatherbys because of report and recoil, inducing errors on their part. Those superfast bullets will be loud and will certainly push back harder than a slower bullet, but THAT is what one should expect from those cartridges. Further, my being happy with my lesser cartridges does NOT make me begrudge Weatherby shooters. If I was consistently hunting in places where the average shot was over 250 yards, I would likely spring for those flatter shooting Wbys or the WMs, or the RUMs, of the newest whizzers(but not really as whizzy as claimed) PRCs. But currently 250 is about the absolute limit for me, so "conventional" cartridges are just fine. I enjoy the channel.👍👍
My 6.5-300 Wby is able of ~0.3 MOA with handloads. Both 140gr Accubonds and 156gr Berger EOLs. Not quite been able to achieve 0.5 with any lead-free options, but I still prefer them for hunting. Using 127gr LRX now.
You are getting 3568 FPS and 1/2 MOA groups from you 257 Roy with the 110g AB??? That is crazy good. I am blown away at both the velocity and the accuracy. I have been running the 100g TTSX using I4831. I am getting OKAY groups but nothing to be excited about and my velocity is only around 3510. I do have one pound of R22 on the shelf. I will try that. Wish I had some of the 110g ABs.
It's actually going faster... I took it out to 1000 yards and was consistently hitting over my targets. My best guess is I'm getting around 3600 FPS. I loaded the 101 gr LRX at 3814 FPS... accuracy isn't as good. Best I can get is .8 inch groups
Try H 1000 with the 100gr TTSX. MY Vanguard s2 likes a max load from the Barnes manual. 75.5 gr @ 2.70 OAL, Fed 215 LRM primers, and don't forget the crimp. Approach max loads with caution, always start low!
I used to own a LH .300WBY Mk 5 deluxe years ago, and it was a great gun, but the only time I ever used it was my every other year elk hunts out west. As accurate as anything else I had with factory ammo, it just wasn’t really fun getting pounded with it at the range.
Can you provide info on great factory ammo and load development data for 300 win mag? I just bought a Browning X-Bolt and want to have a good starting point.
What bullets do you want to use? If you're a reloader get the bullets you like and start experimenting. H1000 is a great powder for 300 Win mag. I also suspect IMR 7828 SSC, RL-22 and H4831SC are also good powders.
I have had a few weatherbys, some were very accurate and some just ok, if you dont handload for them you will never truly realize what is possible for a particular rifle.
I bet 174 Hammer Hunter or 178 Absolute Hammers in the 300 Weatherby would give them all a run for their money. Max load with Re 22 up around 3400 -3500 fps; or have you tried them? My 257 is my most accurate rifle, better than all my 6.5's, 6's and 7's; it is in a Mark v accumark though. One of my 6.5's is a 6.5 RPM also in an Accumark, it's pretty close.
I haven't tried them in the 300 either, nor have I tried the North Fork. North Fork remind me of the Federal trophy bonded tipped bear claw, and Terminal ascent. Those are one of my favorite factory cartridges.
That Wby freebore is for speed. The trade off is precision, usually. Not the cartridges fault, but when velocity is high they are normally but not always more finicky, especially with pencil barrels. Guns with enough weight to counter some of the issues that come with high velocity and large bullets are rarely used. And then the heating issues that come with that powder charge and thin barrels compound problems. The rifles are designed for hunting in performance and precision.
I have a load with my 300 wby that I can’t share but, 174gr hammer hunter bullet going 3550fps is no joke. The 300wby can do more than what most people actually expect. I’ve also loaded a few 210gr LRAB in mine and I’m still able to get over 3,000fps with half inch groups. Loaded longer than COAL for that one but really it just comes down to the rifle and what it likes more than anything. Half the fun of reloading is figuring out what it likes anyways.
I guess it depends on what someone considers accurate vs inaccurate. The folks claiming a hunting rifle has to consistently shoot groups under 3/4 MOA to be considered accurate have set a standard inconsistent with what's necessary to ethically take game (as well as a century of hunting out to 400-ish yards with factory ammo in budget to mid-priced rifles). I saw another video today with a guy (Bullets4Bucks) shooting factory 6.5 WBY RPM out of the very light Backcountry 2.0. He shot two groups at 100 yards that were 0.75" - 1" (incl a "pulled shot"). Another guy (Who_Tee_Whoo) shot groups of 0.66" & 0.51" & 1.5" (two holes touching + one flyer) & 0.42" with a Backcountry 2.0 + 338 WBY RPM factory ammo - no way to know if the flyer was him or the ammo, but that's 0.79" avg even with the flyer. Seems accurate to me.
STOP IT ! You are hurting the ( Feelings ) of all the people who bought into the new cartridge ( HYPE ) !……. Sorry the truth is not always pleasant !……. Thanks for all your hard work ( AND PRESENTING THE FACTS ) !
I have been sold on the Weatherby cartridges since the 60's. I have a 270 "B" with a fast twist barrel, three 300 "B's" and a 257 and every one is accurate to the point that the thing I often look back on is how difficult it is to buy into all the marketing hype, lies and BS of the latest greatest new cartridge when its already been done by Weatherby. No need to ever question your decision on why you shoot your Weatherby's. Honestly, most new this and that cartridge today is trying to accommodate the Man Bun crowd who fantasizes about shooting long range and not killing long range; ethically. Long live the 300 "B"!
My 257 Weatherby magnum still holds my second smallest group of three rounds into a single hole at 109.4 yards or 100 meters. My precision handloaded ammunition for this old gun is using 117 grain Sierra pro Hunter bullets, IMR 4831, and winchester magnum primers. Aint going to state the powder charge or the cartridge overall length because I don't want nobody to try it because each damn guns an individual. Don't think that the Weatherby line of rifles Aint extremely accurate because I have 3 of em and they all shoot one holers after precision handloaded!
Just for giggles. Try a 125gr. And a 150 gr. My hand loader said it wasn't a good idea for the 125gr but it ended up being super accurate. Was stupid fast.
Accuracy is a given with a Weatherby rifle chambered in 300 Wby, as well as their other cartridges! All of mine are sub MOA, and outrun conventional magnum cartridges. Most of these guys dumping on you and Weatherby cartridges and rifles never owned one, or didn't know what to do with it if they did!
You need to watch the videos of all the defective Weatherby rifles, and I am one of then where 2 Weatherby rifles had been defective and as always Weatherby refused to take responsibility for the low-quality work. Right now, the Weatherby Mark 5 is on the way back to me from Pac Nor Barrels because the Weatherby barrel was chambered out of center to the bore.
@dalebenson6859 My experience has been just the opposite with the eight Weatherby rifles I own; five Mark V and three Vanguards, over the past thirty-plus years. I don't "need to watch anything.
@@bustabass9025 Dealing with the Weatherby warranty women the BITCH Thearsa is a nightmare. She told me the Mark 5 I sent back with an off-center chamber was within company spec and went to say I just don't know how to shoot a Weatherby then slammed the phone on me! She did the same to me with the first Weatherby mark 5 with a bulge in the inside of the barrel. I kept the Weatherby for a new High-end barrel that is coming back to me today from Pac Nor Barrels. Now RU-vid has many of the same bad experiences with Weatherby I had.
Weatherby is men amongst rifles I custom built my 300 on a Remington 700 action (older model action) and she stacks with the 180 accubonds, I own many wby cartridges and til this day a 340 wby is probably my favorite of them all
Who in their right mind would say that Weatherby cartridges are not consistently accurate? I suppose if you shoot them in non-Weatherby rifles using non-Weatherby ammo you might see that. But that's on you, not on Weatherby.
Are you kidding me? My .257 Vanguard s2 shoots a 3 shot group I can cover with a dime! 75.5 gr of H 1000 @ 2.70 OAL pushing a 100gr Barnes TTSX at 3525 fps! Approach with caution, this is a max load.
😃 I Just Wanted to Point Out That Barnes Shows That You Can Get Up to 3,835 ft/s With Their 85 Grain Bullets Comming Out of a 270 Winchester! 🔥 Not too Bad For an "Old Non-Magnum Fudd Cartridge"? 😜
I have have 6 Weatherby rifles and 5 in Weatherby calibers. They are all accurate inside an inch or less for the big boomers and the smaller calibers .5 MOA or better.
I have 5 weatherbys 300,30-378, 257,270wby,7mm wby and soon a 338-378 wby from my brown bear hunt all are mark v and all will match or out shoot my sako , Fierce and Antler Arms, from ttsx to ABLR no issues, I load length of mag money !!!
My hunting buddy's 270 Remington 700 is a tack driver. The throat is so long , a 130 gr bullet would only seat about a 1/16 of an inch inside the case neck to contact the rifling. I simply seated the bullet about a 1/4 inch inside the case neck. Crazy ! There is an exception for every rule.
How Far are you Modern Day Hunters Shooting? Let's be Real. Under 220Yrds. This long Range Sniper stuff outa Control. People who really Hunt, Hike , Glass.this the Real Deal
🕵♂ Actually, Some of My Best Groups Have Come When I Pushed My Rifles to Their Fastest Velocities and Produced More Recoil! Thus, Every Barrel and Bullet is Different and No One Knows Where They Will Shoot, Until They Are Tested! 🤭Stereotypes Don't Work, Including That You Have to Have a "Matchgrade Chamber or Heavy Matchgrade Barrel" For a Rifle to Shoot! 🤥 Just Ask Your Friend, Who Lives in the Dark For Much of the Year - in the Far North, While Chasing Bigfoot! 🤣I Am Shure He Knows Exactly What He is Seeing in the Dead of Night? 🌚😴
Yep! But, He is Sticking to His Story That He Can Reload It and Still Get 3,000 ft/s With a 180 grain Bullet! Since He Made That Original "Claim" Before the Cartridge Was Ever Releast to the General Public, I Guess Jim is Going to Have to Die on That Hill to Save Face? There is the Real Lesson...Before Putting Content and Your Reputation Out Their, Be Sure You Are Certain of What You Are Saying is True First! 🤪@@ReloadingWeatherby
@@ronlowney4700 He was loading his 7mm PRC 4-5 gr over book max to get those velocities. If you do some research... the people that get over 3000 FPS are doing it because they are over book max
🤔 Interesting! None the Less, If You Need a Magnum to Kill the Biggest of Game Animals, the 300 WBY Will Be a Much Better Choice! And, Even If You Don't, Their is a Good Reason Why the 30-06 is So Popular! I Am Always Amazed As To How Many People Are So Willing To "Praise" a New Cartridge They Haven't Ever Tested As The "Solution" to Every "Problem"! Real Gun Enthusiasts Won't Stop At Owning Just 1 Gun, No Matter How Well It Works! 🤪 It's Like Having Only 1 Tool in Your Tool Box! 🤣That is Just Rediculous! 🤯@@ReloadingWeatherby
👴Thirty Years From Now, Your Going to Look Back on Life and Wonder How People Were Ever Dumb Enough to Believe That Cartridges Like the 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5 prc, and 7mm prc Were Looked At as The Ideal Cartridges For Every Hunting Senerio? And Then Your Grandchildren Will Look You in the Eye and Tell You the Same Thing About Some Other Similar Performing Cartridge and You Will Chuckle! 🤭 History Will Repeat Itself the Way the 260 Remington Supposedly Did Something That the 6.5x55 Supposedly Didn't, or the 7mm-08 Did Something That the 308 Winchester Couldn't, etc... and Then You Will Point to the Wall and Your Trophies and Get a Blank Stair From Them...Because They Will Insist That This "Technology" is "Different", and "Revolutionary", and You are Just an "Old Fudd" Who Doesn't Know as Much as the Cartridge Companies, No Matter What You've Accomplished in Life! 🤪All the While They Ignore the FACT That Many of These Cartridges Were Already Wildcats Developed By Someone Long Dead and Finally Adopted By SAMMI or Altered "Slightly" By Some Ammunition Manufacturer (Example 6.5 prc and the 6.5 Remington) and Are Really Nothing New, Just "Repackaged Ideas"! 🌞 @@ReloadingWeatherby
Oh yeah those weatherby cartridges they are the fudd of all fudd cartridges. Definitely not worth a second look. In fact they are so irrelevant that Hornady decided to compare their 300PRC to the 300 win mag instead of the weatherby. They must have known the weatherby could never hang.. i think Hornady knew something the rest of didnt... 😂
