Webflow VS Elementor (Discussion with Alyssa Gavinski) 

Exactly, I feel the hate for Elementor/WP is coming from people with design background. As a developer, I find Elementor (with the Hello Theme) a blazing fast experience. Not talking about headless WP where the limits are your imagination. Webflow is amazing for creating complex stuff much simpler and faster. For advanced use cases, it will be noticeably lacking behind

My comment was deleted and it was pure knowlage about both tools. This makes me think we are in webflow setup with this "interview"

Elementor's new container model, also bricksbuilder in wordpress are both so similar to building in webflow. Being able to offer clients the option is the strongest thing now. All of these tools have their own benefits. It's about discovering your clients need and then allocating the correct platform for them rather than forcing a platform you think is better just because you prefer it. with small bits of CSS and optimisations you can do basically anything in wordpress with pagebuilders or otherwise. so getting pixel perfect designs in different platforms is a knowledge issue not a platform one.

Literally my exact experience 😂 I looked at webflow and realized it was paid and went with Wordpress not knowing I’d need to pay for elementor. There were lots of resources to learn Wordpress for free online but it was so overwhelming and complicated and wasted so much time. I bought all the flux courses just because I figured it was worth understanding webflow to possible check it out and after learning it I’ll never go back. Building websites so much faster and no updates and plugins needed. Nothings scarier than a plug-in breaking your clients site and losing them money.

As a user of both Webflow and Oxygen builder, I can say with confidence these two tools are the most alike 👍 Oxygen is a great alternative when you hit a Webflow limitation.

Great conversation. I would say when you master Elementor and use the Pro version it can do pretty much anything Web flow can with relative ease. Both great tools though.

Elementor has flexbox container too

My focus has narrowed down to Oxygen and Webflow. Still use Elementor, but to truly unleash I use Oxygen or Webflow depending on the circumstance. I agree with Alyssa I used to find coding easier than dealing with the frustration of templates which to me was not easier. With tools like Webflow and Oxygen there are no limits!

Webflow vs Elementor is not a good comparison. They are very different tools. Elementor is not a standalone tool. Even WordPress vs Webflow is not a good comparison. both have their use cases.

Elementor now has Flexbox Container which is the same as Webflow. If you want to learn more about it search it up on youtube.

This video convinced me of webflow. Thank you!

Awesome video and good comparison 👍🏻 I’m a Webflow guy but I can’t deny that Elementor is an awesome tool (and Wordpress has other useful builders just like it). So much of it comes down to what fits your scenario and needs! Thanks Ran 🔥

Hey Ran just wanted to ask that can we build a website in webflow but host in on other platforms? And what are its pros and cons from the clients side?

This is basically like listening to a user research interview

This is just an ad for webflow; at 07:04 you ask why did you decide to switch to webflow then you showcase Alyssa's website (built with Divi on Wordpress).

As a Elementor Pro user for 3 years. I can say nowadays they improve the tool so much. The new container option save you a lot of time, and you have such an options to customize your website. Yes,for additional functionality you may need some plugins no doubts, for 75% of the projects Elementor pro is just perfect. You just need to use the imaginations,the possibilities are endless

hi..hi..just beginner..may i ask how adobe xd sizes and to elementor ?it not thesame when i match with elementor..but the typography and color were ok... I mean how do I match it from mock up in xd to look exactly in elementor??

I have been building websites for over twenty years and using Wordpress since it’s beginnings and have used many tools and page builders over the evolution of Wordpress, but I have been experimenting with webflow and really like it. The main downside of it is the managed hosting aspect. I think for a lot of people it is what they need, but for total control I am bias to hosting the site. That said the management of that consumes a lot of time managing plugins and security issues. I do like Elementor for the most part and it does now have flexbox.

I prefer elementor and using it from last 3 years. The biggest reason I use it is because it compatible with wordpress CMS and gives more control on your website. Second there is very less learning curve in elementor. It's perfect for personal use especially as a designer when you don't want a complex layout for your portfolio website.

Is there any No Code Tool which produce SPA ( Single Page Application ) Web App

I have used elementor, thrive themes and many Wordpress builders and they give a serious headache. the most challenging things in these builders are responsive designs. Webflow is best tool anyone can find. it can be difficult in starting but later you will love it. if you know frontend you can become a god in webflow lol😆

Quick update: Since around June 2022 Elementor works with Containers, Flexboxes, and Grids Layouts. Also it has the ability to edit Cards and Grids of Custom Post Types. Everything said, it's still required a free plugin to create those Custom Post Types.

I've been hesitating for year to use webflow just for the ecommerce part. I'm frustrated with Elementor tools to really customize woocommerce stuff but I don't really find any other tool that make easy customizing AND using ecommerce features. Any other stuff I could've missed ? Apart from headless CMS or 100% custom coded stuff.

Don't get old Rans.. We need your guide every single design trends

Please compare Webflow with Oxygen Builder

great video.. waitting for word press theme video

Great conversation. I think the moral of the story is that there could be a usecase for each tool. Also, as a constructive feedback to Alyssa, your site should be mobile friendly. When I opened the link on my phone the first thing that came up was horizontal scrolling

Is Webflow GDPR ready for businesses in Europe?

Name of background music in the end

Isn’t the main drawback to Webflow the fact clients can’t update any of their own content themselves? Also working w the best WordPress themes you can import predesigned and styles sections and elements but you can’t do that w Webflow rt?

Can you make a video on how WP/WF beginners without portfolio can find clients? (even for small amount of money)?

First!

great video,

Oxygen builder is super super you have to try,that one is great features you can try..😄

I wonder what she would say now that Elementor switched to the flexbox system. Nevertheless, I will not deny she made Webflow sound very, very attractive haha [edit] I finished watching the video. I know what she would say XD My takeaway from this video is: I need to learn Webflow and Shoppify.

At this point just disclose your residual structure, or at the least your partnership with webflow when you puff it everywhere as the ultimate "you are losing if you're not switching" talking points. I think a well-rounded review is essential for agency and professional level designers to understand before they go shoving webflow down their clients throat- and then end up losing them down the line. Heavy platform with multiple touch points and a large amount of real time rendering? Js Stack with React at the helm, tailwind and framer motion, and nextjs strengthening the back end with something like Vercel. Very large shopping client? Well, if you want to win over that proposal, pitching a database is the first thing i'd be doing before the look on the front. Mid sized storefront need a sitewide update for a new pulse? Shopify rebrand and redesign with a webflow structure is a great way to go. Heavy user posting with a short, less than handful of internal anchors and pagination? Wordpress and superboost that speed. Modern, fresh, high animation, sleek user interface with high amount of process loading/lazy loading? Framer is great. Outweighing the pros and cons from a js and full stack developer mindset is vital to keep your clients, and to win more of them. Discussing the experience and the outcome should be your first priority over the look, because the data says the average 80%+ first 5 seconds bounce rate due to a slow load is going to kill engagement, and kill revenue before that user even gets to see what your site "looks like."

LOL! It seems like no body here has heard about a file called style.css and never touched a code editor ever. Remember, WordPress is a free and open source software and you can do anything you like with it - if you know. You may have problem using Elementor or Divi or whatever plugin. But, those are just plugins - NOT WORDPRESS!

As a more intermediate-advanced developer, this was a very difficult toss-up, however, I am still sticking with Elementor for three main reasons that were red flags for me: 1. There is no Dev environment despite being able to publish to a temporary webflow subdomain. Once you publish a change to the subdomain, you can no longer make changes to the current live site because there is only one instance of the editor. FOR EXAMPLE: Lets say you are completely redoing a page, but the client wants a typo immediately changed on a completely different page - you cannot do that unless you finish the page you were working on. *** I think this feature has a lot of potential if they are saved in separate accessible environments, eg... Dev and Live *** 2. They STILL don't have custom breakpoints for responsive device optimization. I'm forced to use media queries to accommodate issues that do not fit within the confines of the static breakpoints. Once you start using media queries, it overrides the static breakpoints as well, so you have to manually do every breakpoint if you decide to use queries. I'm an expert in CSS so its not a huge burden to me but it is worth noting to those of you looking for something more versatile for those with no experience with code. 3. Code customization is practically none existent, there is only one area to pile all of your custom code into. In other words, if you are looking for a custom HTML widget, it does not exist, thus you cannot create and add any more advanced coded pieces to your project if you wanted to. This is probably not an issue for anyone that doesn't custom code everything to the extent I do, however it is incredibly frustrating for those of you trying to make some more advanced functionality such as a 3D carousel or something. The only impressive thing with WebFlow for me right now is its incredibly advanced ability to do page scroll effects and general animations. Scroll effects usually take a bit of JS for some of the more advanced site storytelling while incorporating SVG, but WebFlow negates the need for all that JS hassle. Unfortunately, other than that, there wasn't much else.

I think the comparison is more about how designer friendly, in terms of not ever having write custom code, webflow or elementor/wordpress is.. Webflow would definitely be easier than Elementor/Wordpress as it comes with a lot of blocks built in it. For example, building a simple slider would be a far smoother experience in Webflow even when its compared to Elementor Pro. But when it comes to web development and building complex models and structures, I guess Wordpress as a CMS combined with Elementor would be far better

Yes, there is something to it, but she explicitly says that it is mainly the possibility to implement designs from agencies and designers 1:1 pixel-exact. Sure, this is not sooooo cool in Elementor, but from my point of view it is not made for that. If you want that, take a starter theme/boilerplate and use CSS. Everything else is BS, isn't it? And with webflow and Co. you run sometime also in limits and borders and it becomes fast really expensive.

Yah, not sure if that convinced me. Try to make a Real Estate Listing site with webflow. Seems daunting to me.

The one which works for you and the client is the best option. There is no king or queen in the argument they are just tools and like all tools they have restrictions.

Tried Webflow after watching this video, and ditched it in a day for Elementor.

Lol, you are comparing a WordPress page builder plugin with the full system company but still, if you compare all aspects then Elementor wins clearly

+1 for oxygen builder

I have been a full-stack WordPress developer for 3 years, I build all my websites, e-commerces, solutions and functionalities from scratch. No page builders, no plugins, just a clean install of WordPress. I have the impression that I am the only person who is surprised by talking about which page builders, which plugins are the best and being lost without plugins for a specific solution. I know from my experience that pages, based on page builders and 20 plugins, sucks. They are vulnerable to viruses, they are very slow, hard to develop with complex functionalities. One day I would like to come to a time when a programming approach to building websites is promoted and not on the principle of 'install a dozen plugins and a page builder'

Elementor has flexbox

Webflow is the future that's ture

WordPress is an awesome tool and it's abilities are unlimited from a marketing to an e-commerce website, I realise that people want to run an agency on free resources forever. Free Elementor and free plugins with limited features, that lady should consider spending some dimes to enhance her creativity if she can't then she would have chosen coding the sites from scratch

it's funny to see people fighting over tools. Use a tool that fits you and your client. That's it

Oxygen Builder rather than Elementor

Elementor is WordPress. That's all you need to say. Webflow for the win.

Okay, Elementor is just another WordPress Page Builder, there are so many others... I used to use Oxygen Builder, but the developers are not quite right, so I now use Bricks Builder... It's a complete Website Builder for WordPress that comes as a theme. If you want to be able to customize your entire site and every single little detail of it, Elementor is the wrong choice... I'd go with Bricks Builder.

Elementor is frustrating, I can't customize the way I want to. It limits my creativity. NOBODY PUTS BABY IN THE CORNER!!

I feel that it's time to compare Webflow with next-gen WP builders, like Breakdance. Coming from Elementor to Breakdance, I feel that Elementor does not stand even close to Webflow. It's messy, slow, bloated, and with awfully complex workflow.

I think Wordpress will either have to evolve and move with the times or go extinct. It's too messy too many files and bloody annoying.

Webflow for designers, Elemntor for anyone else.

Oxygen is definitely the way to go. Elementor is way too bloated.

What is with mothers on RU-vid calling their kids "kiddos"... is this some Social Media fad thing?

Phew, a really messed up interview and the only thing I really got out of it is: she's calling herself a dev? With THAT level of experience? Won't stop me from looking into Webflow, but next time more hard facts on the framework and not how you messed up your work would be more helpful.