That was fascinating and super helpful. Ironically, I am just starting Buprenorphine,naltrexone. But now I feel way less guilty. I fit those categories-feeling normal in pain pills. Also ironically, I’m getting off Kratom. I’m going to suggest all my providers, VA Substance Abuse Treatment Program physicians and my psychiatrist, and SATP group support coordinator, watch the seminar. I hope you’ve tried to include the VA to educate our doctors.
Suboxone saved my life. I have no doubt I'd be dead if I hadn't been put on it. Is it perfect? No. I hate the flushing/sweating, hate the constipation, hate the low sex drive etc. But the alternative was spiralling out of control and dying.
Saved my life. I was at high risk for lethal relapse. In 2019 i waa dependent on heroin, benzos, and meth. I detoxed 5 times that year both in and out of a detox facility. I kept putting myself in rehabs and would end up relapsing again. The 3rd inpatient rehab offered me buprenorphine and i took it. I will have years clean in October. I believe buprenorphine cured my depression because my depression never returned and that always lead to relapse. When you feel like nothing matters and you always feel tired, you say fuck it. But on buprenorphine i worked full time and for the first time as an adult i felt like a normal functioning human. I could work hard and handle life. I believe its kappa receptor activity plays a roll in depression. Im aware that detox from it is terrible which is why i have no plans of going off of it. If i ever do i will probably lower it over multiple years.
This speaker cares and sounds like a great doc. I'm on suboxone and these clinics that I've gone to for years now don't care at all about their patient's condition. I'm in and out in 10 minutes. It's a huge money grab. All they care about is the 200 cash each month. It's legally sad
I started in a clinical trial for pain patients. Went off from 16mg very, very slowly and WD was a joke compared to regular opiates. I have a hard time with people saying how awful the WD is. If done very, very slowly, it is very mild. Key is to get to crumbs of a dose. I had pill form back then but film can be cut to tiny, tiny bits as well. Great medication for pain. I came back to it after a year or so off and have no shame or guilt because it works!
Perhaps the worst lecture I've ever heard. While clearly the lecturer/physician has first hand knowledge, it shocks me that despite his writing a book on this topic, he has the poorest integration of the theoretical basis with his clinical experience. The lecture was completely disorganized. He begins with something about glutamate and gaba neurons, but it makes little sense in this lecture regarding any relationship to mu and kappa opiate receptors or the opiate system is never explained (or even broached)!!! He makes no reference to the more basic NIDA papers by Koob & Virkow on the reward system apart from something about the VTA connection to the NAc, but then does not describe the Dopamine relationship to reward or to the opiate system! This guy should never offer himself as a lecturer for this material unless he reviews the essential neuroscience in this field!
Also... Has anyone experienced Insomnia from long term or short term use? I haven't slept more than 2 hours at one time in about the same time period that I been taking suboxone / Buprenorphin (11 yrs.)... Not to mention the constipation that comes with use....
Insomnia is a frequent side effect of bupe. If you’re on Facebook, join the large Suboxone/buprenorphine group. It’s a much better place to ask questions.
i have been on this since it was 5 shots a day as buprenex....I was one of the original guinee pigs at passaic general in NJ....I need it because my brain will not produce the happy dopeamine anymore...so i stay on maintance...wish i could stop...but been on it since 92
Im not sure if that would be possible ...all i know is my dopamine levels do not produce...so without it im in a constant deep dpression...I dont really want to sue anybody...I just hope someday i am able to stop
I've been on Subu(tex and oxne) thrice now, once in 2003 from a compounding pharmacy, came in little jellies which needed refrigeration. Second in Florida from a doc who would do anything (I chose lots of bupe lots of valium and lots of viagra and went on a crack run... eventually settled down into a more rewarding life) anyway.. ALL THREE TIMES I CRASHED. lost everything the first time back to living on the street in NYC. Second crash cost me my family, this is the third. Been on H for a month, redy to do IBOGAINE. IBOGAINE IS THE ONLY DETOX THT WORKS. WORKS. WORKS. Tell your doctors... WAKE UP!! gapemedia.com
Jason Eder , i am not pn suboxone, just buphrenorhine, its tablets only, it works great at the beginning but your body gets used to it and effectiveness is lost
Really? For pain.....I'm on 8mg, formerly iv heroin user. It works for what its supposed to do, keep u off heroin etc....but for actual pain i find it doesnt do much. I mean i just feel normal, I could have a back ache and take my suboxone and it doesnt kill any pain.... But I'm glad it works for u in that way. Good stuff.
Been on Buph' (not Naltrexone or Suboxone) for nigh on a decade. Dose unsupervised/Weekly script for years, but was prescribed for Co-Codamol addiction this time. Heroin was long gone thanks to Rehab and Buph' during Detox. However before knew it was on 18mg's, but now down to 10mg's which wasn't too bad. 8mg's should be sufficient though. However like the bloke says here that going back to way felt before would be a shock and that 'insurance policy' then gone. So would be vulnerable + Drug Workers, GP's have said many clients have stayed on 'maintenance' for Life!
Ive had good results for pain with Buprenorphine by itself, and with Suboxone. I prefer Buprenorphine by itself for pain. It helps with pain quite a bit.
Is it better to take Buprenorphin Long term than the other versions? Like- better than Subutex and Suboxone long term? Let me say- It probably saved my Life...it's been about 11 yrs. now and I find it keeps the pain (neck and back) at bay about 30-40% just enough to justify the 100.00 office visit and 20.00 co-pay for the prescription. (I'm barley hanging on due to low pay in Florida though) IF I didn't have insurance to pay for the script I'd never be able to afford it's 600. a month price without insurance....That is a shame and what is probably killing many people out there... I have seen many people at the clinic go back out to use cause of the high ticket price of the prescription without insurance...... anyway- I'm wondering about the success rate of getting off it after long term use and not going back to drug seeking activities / use??? I have done the "relocation cure" 10 yrs. ago too in that I don't know where to get anything illicit in the town I live in now but...IF My drug seeking inner will takes over my mind - I'll find anything anywhere hahahha So wondering if anyone out there has quit takin Buprenorphine with success and how they did it after long term use?
@@thepresentmoment369 I have personal experience with .25 mgs and I started to experience symptoms. At . 5 mgs I was fine. After 4 days at .25 I started sneezing.😆
i hate suboxone it made me feel really bad gave me migraines every day an made me depressed an it never really made my withdrawal truely go away i and it is very expensive for a poor person like me its 500 to start treatment at a private doc an 150 every doctor visit an about 400 to 500 for the price of the meds can be less if u have insurance but it feel like they are takeing advantage for addicts most methadone clinics prescribe suboxone an its a lot cheaper its 18 a day but u have to go every day to the clinic for the first 30 or 90 days then u can take it home . after i quit suboxone i started street drugs again then i got on methadone an i feel much better people give methadone a bad rep even the suboxone doc do they say its bad for u to try to stop people from going on it but its they same as suboxone only difference is its not a full agonist its a partial an methadone is a full agonist . dont get me wrong there arw some people on both drugs that abuse the system an sell there meds or drink alcohol an take xanax an they end up dieing or killing some one in an car accident but most people at my clinic are responsible an take only there meds so they arw both very good drugs to help recover but u have to do your part an stay off street drugs but me personally think that suboxone is a lot harder to get off of an has a lot of side effects an has not been on the market for more than 18 years so theres a lot they dont no about it but methadone been around for more than 60 years so its been studied for years so with all that said dont let suboxone doc lie to u an take all your money if u dont feel good on it give it a chance an if u still dont feel good give methadone a try its a wonderful med
I've been on both and (for me) the suboxone was the best. Methadone didn't stop any cravings and even when they trust you enough to take it home, they still don't trust you! You have to find help from Medicare or some other insurance, my subs cost 3.47 for 45 and for the first time in my life I actually have a "very good" credit rating among other positives.
I guess different strokes to different folks because I prefer buprenorphine than anything else. It just makes me feel normal and it's also safer when using a low dose.
The benzodiazapine epidemic is next. #worldbenzoday The science of benzos is GABA receptor down regulation of the CNS, GI tract, brain & muscles meaning that natural fight or flight responses are dulled causing patients to experience more anxiety, increased panic attacks, benzo rage episodes, GI tract issues, muscle problems, more insomnia, suicidal ideation, plus increased eating disorder thoughts & behaviors. Benzos are treated as opioids in detox centers which is extremely dangerous. Opioids affect opioid receptors which take weeks to months to upregulate compared to GABA receptors which take months to years to upregulate. Thousands of people are safely tapering a benzo in benzo withdrawal support groups on Facebook. The FDA states that physical & psychological dependence is not the same as drug addiction. Do not stop a benzo cold turkey. Doing so could cause seizures, psychosis, insomnia for days & even death. I'm going to apply my Bachelor of Science in Psychology degree with honors towards becoming an addiction counselor/dependency therapist specializing in benzodiazapines.
I slipped into a deep psychosis after stopping a benzo after tapering. Landed in the hospital for over a month. Also have had two seizures due to withdrawal. Tolerance is key. These meds should not be prescribed for more than two weeks as needed I think. Unfortunately I have taken mine everyday for years now and barely feel them anymore. Thx for ur knowledge.
People like me that suffer from chronic back pain n neck pain n diabetes nerve pain cuz of a condition I have in my back n neck I tried it n it last longer than prescription opioid I be taking for 7 years I tried it once just half of a strip film I was without pain for 2 days regular opioid pill I got to take 3 a day n it stress me out n mess up my stomach the bepronorphine really work for people with server chronic pain I don't have no doctor for 5 month my pain would not go always cuz I got disc disease in my back n neck I get my underground no doctor want to help me I never use drugs now I have too.now I have to take care of my chronic pain I got for years is hard to find a doctor to help me with my chronic pain n be able to treat me with buoronorphine naloxone that really help me go through my day 8,2 mg works for me but I cut the strip film in half
help me please with my issue.....my wife lives in the philippines....and i have to always go home to the doctor because the philippines do not have any type of drugs....even after surgery here no opioids here...anti biotic only country here
Although interesting when he speaks of the neurochemistry of addiction and the pharmacology of these molecules... BUT- It's like an hour long Buprenorphine commercial. Please research IBOGAINE. Please push for it's legality. It just works too well for it not to become the MO of future opiate addictions. That and decriminalization. Those on Subs/Dones" for years with a life and a job and some stability.. well guess what, enough countries have made heroin an available treatment for heroin addition (IMAGINE THAT? WHOA DUDE. YOU MEAN IF MY BODY SAYS BANANA I CAN EAT A BANANA?? well, those folks have jobs, lives and stability also. My experience x 3= Bupe is great for a year. Then the "how do I get off this sh*t now" show starts running.
Perhaps the worst lecture I've ever heard. While clearly the lecturer/physician has first hand knowledge, it shocks me that despite his writing a book on this topic, he has the poorest integration of the theoretical basis with his clinical experience. The lecture was completely disorganized. He begins with something about glutamate and gaba neurons, but it makes little sense in this lecture regarding any relationship to mu and kappa opiate receptors or the opiate system is never explained (or even broached)!!! He makes no reference to the more basic NIDA papers by Koob & Virkow on the reward system apart from something about the VTA connection to the NAc, but then does not describe the Dopamine relationship to reward or to the opiate system! This guy should never offer himself as a lecturer for this material unless he reviews the essential neuroscience in this field!
