Well that was UNEXPECTED | Pint S Custom Shaping deep dive

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@1c2h3i4v5a6s 8 дней назад

We would love an in depth custome shaping video for the GT and GTS 🙏

@Kay0Bot 8 дней назад

Future motion can help with that 😉

@80Phi131 8 дней назад

Upvoting this comment.

@hiya1234567899 8 дней назад

Yesssss. Half the GT shaping settings, I don’t get…

@kylehubbell26 8 дней назад

Nico needs to be in every video!!

@aircraftmech123456 8 дней назад

Great video! Now us Pint X owners know what we might expect to see in a few weeks.

@martinlabas3798 3 дня назад

Already out! Just got the update today!!

@TheBrettric 8 дней назад

Thanks for taking the time to do the follow up video and deep dive!

@Trailfloater 8 дней назад

Can’t wait for this update on the px

@monandlon1 8 дней назад

so stoked, holding off on buying a vesc just to see how it feels

@Trailfloater 8 дней назад

@@monandlon1 not gonna be better than vesc but fun lol

@MindFull406 5 дней назад

ITS HERE

@Trailfloater 5 дней назад

@@MindFull406 cool is automatically when u turn the app on or

@MindFull406 5 дней назад

@@Trailfloater Update app first

@LastZacNA 8 дней назад

Really loving these last two videos especially, Nico provides some great knowledge and it’s always great to see the rest of the TFL gang. Would love more videos like this of group rides and talking about boards (VESC or FM idc)

@nicoaleman 9 дней назад

Appreciate the chill beats to tune to 😎🎧

@leonenriquez5031 8 дней назад

Nice vid, Nico. Thanks for everything. Yo, how about a video for tips for tuning VESCs, like one with the nuanced knowledge you have on how to get your ideal ride?

@connortheshredder7184 8 дней назад

LETS GO NICOOOOOOOOO

@yourturningpoint777 8 дней назад

Bruh u annoying

@jaefrmbk2k 8 дней назад

great follow up Team 🤙🏾⚡️

@JesseDriftwood 8 дней назад

Ooooo been waiting for this!

@JesseDriftwood 8 дней назад

Did the update change pushback at all? Pint pushback has always felt so needlessly aggressive and sudden.

@TheFloatLife 8 дней назад

@JesseDriftwood unfortunately still seems to be the standard pint pushback

@TheFloatLife 8 дней назад

Unfortunately still seems to be the standard pint pushback

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

@@JesseDriftwood Pint S firmware (and soon on Pint X with the new update in a few weeks) bumps the speed up 2mph. Before, pushback kicked in at 16mph and got more aggressive as you approached 18. Now it kicks in at 18 and gets more aggressive as you approach 20. How it kicks in may have been smoothed out a bit and not quite as sudden/jarring, but the angle it gets to by 20mph is definitely still a similar aggressiveness as before. If you check out our previous First Impressions video @ 13:40, you can get an idea of what to expect. Honestly, for the Pint platform, I'm cool with it. 17-18mph is a pretty damn comfy cruising speed for Pints, and you can juice it through pushback in short bursts if you really need to.

@JesseDriftwood 8 дней назад

@@nicoaleman Thanks for the info! Excited to get my hands on one later this week.

@Kay0Bot 8 дней назад

I love how they translate the settings to the ride and when/what situations.

@mikehtiger 9 дней назад

“The OG Pint has had custom shaping this whole time” -Nico Aleman

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

💀

@breezeey9113 7 дней назад

Always love you comparing back to GT custom shaping. I hope they update the board to reflex their changes and work to GT soon.

@elletoot 8 дней назад

i get unreasonably happy every time i ser nico in a video

@TheAnimeist 8 дней назад

The field demonstration was really good.

@NickOchoa 8 дней назад

Love this channel! Cant wait for the px update!

@Craigwmcmahon 8 дней назад

Great explanations! Thanks!

@konikolov 7 дней назад

I don't plan on getting a pint s but I still watched the video as if I own one and it makes a difference to my life 😂 great content guys.

@TheFloatLife 7 дней назад

Knowledge is Power!!!

@travislindenberger3128 8 дней назад

Was dying for this video!

@travislindenberger3128 8 дней назад

Now what about the speed test?

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

@@travislindenberger3128 I think we might have to pass on that one 😂 With the firmware tweaks made (seems like more field weakening judging by higher free spin speed), it's likely 1-2mph higher speed before nosedive compared to Pint X / XR. Nothing crazy since it's still ultimately the same firmware. If you want to stay safe, I'd keep it 20mph and under. The pushback makes it pretty uncomfortable and sketch to ride beyond 20 regardless.

@JoshuaOlujide 8 дней назад

really enjoyed this video! really appreciate updating us with custom shaping, as I've always been curious about how it worked. def want Pacific X with the nose up just a bit and slightly more aggressive. keep it up!

@Sigeo1vl 9 дней назад

Thanks!

@Ctec87 8 дней назад

Awesome, thanks for doing this!

@jordanmacfarlane5807 8 дней назад

Really good explanation thanks !

@turningmagnets 8 дней назад

Great video guys! Thanks for the breakdown 🤙

@Keep-The-Grind 8 дней назад

Loved the video!! Ill see all of yall at Floatlife fest!! (Look for my White and orange trim XR+)

@Keep-The-Grind 8 дней назад

I'll specify cause i want to see anyone there that knows this comment. It has white rail guards, white fender with 3 stickers, floatlife footpads, orange bumpers, white charging port plug, vega tire, and a teen(me)

@barbarabailey4406 2 дня назад

Got the firmware update today . Video helped greatly! 👍😉🙃🙂

@looty_thejackrussell 8 дней назад

Great review, my PX has been getting ignored for far too long

@tristanregini2219 8 дней назад

Excited to watch this- just ordered my pint s and it is replacing my GT. I’m a college student and GT is just too big and heavy and in the way. Imma miss her but ready for a brand new board and excited to join the pint fam again bc my first onewheel was the pint in 2020

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Perfect college ripper for sure, I'd take a Pint S for getting around campus over a GT any day personally. I think you'll dig it 🤘

@tristanregini2219 8 дней назад

@@nicoaleman thx for the reply dood! I’m so excited

@lolzguyl 8 дней назад

This is real interestiingggg

@paulguy8779 8 дней назад

I actually notice a difference with the carvability settings on the XR, its basically exactly what you guys said, it kills some power when you lean to be more loose, and doesn't to be more tight.

@tango_sierra8608 8 дней назад

Will custom shaping be coming to the pint x? And if so when will that update come? Top speed too?

@TheFloatLife 8 дней назад

Couple weeks, yes

@chrislim1043 8 дней назад

Does removing the battery from the bms bricks the board?

@walkerdarin2003 6 дней назад

ferrrr sureeeeee

@JamAxHan 6 дней назад

Good to see Nico's foot is all fixed up,

@nicoaleman 6 дней назад

Def far from 100% haha but working on it 🤞

@chasekasperowski8253 7 дней назад

We don’t use turn tilt in vesc to prevent nose scraping in turns. We just actually tune the gyroscope correctly.

@bradleyfrank7933 8 дней назад

Why the hell can't they just have them both have the same custom shaping? It makes no sense. Fixing stuff that ain't broke.

@willgardner9146 8 дней назад

I hope the pint gets custom shaping of any kind. I have a pint and GT. The last time they updated the GT they said they were thinking about bringing custom shaping to pint finally. I hope it happens soon

@dirtcreature3d 8 дней назад

Gotta do the rewheel dog! I have a quart mod and rewheel and it hangs with GT’s

@Mistir.Anderson 8 дней назад

@@dirtcreature3d@dirtcreature3d Totally agree on getting it rewheeled, even if you're on a stock battery like me at the moment. Easily cruise at 22mph. I'm actually curious that once the update for the pint x is officially released if spoofing the pint as a pint x will enable custom shaping 😂

@ElTalOrly 4 дня назад

Can you share your favorite configurations depending on the model?

@dash4786 8 дней назад

15:10 is huge! I thought you would only get single zone detection in custom. I was about to say that would suck if you liked the flow setting shaping but couldn't get the single zone. I'm curious about if they fix the wiring issue that bricked so many of the pint X's. Maybe a tear down to video?

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

That wiring issues was actually fortunately resolved some months back, and AFAIK, they still stick to their policy that any existing Pints with the design flaw can be sent in to have the issue resolved free of charge.

@Jeremy_Huggins 8 дней назад

Does the “Stance Profile” setting compensate for the 3 degree tilt of the WTF rails so they perform as intended in regular and switch riding? That’s the only thing that has stopped me from buying some for my Pint X!

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Unfortunately it has the inverse effect when riding backwards (treats battery side as the new "nose"). So if you use it to compensate for W's, riding backwards will tilt the opposite way and have you captain morganing with the battery end way up in the air. As long as you're riding forwards though, it gets the job done, and the improved nose clearance on turns means you can actually get away with a bit less than max angle if you want. Or even riding in Pacific/Skyline if you really wanted to, especially for riding pushback.

@Jeremy_Huggins 8 дней назад

Thanks man! Very very informative. It’s a shame it doesn’t work in switch, but I think I’ll still order WTF’s cuz that look sick and lock me in better.

@terreonnhenry5778 8 дней назад

I'm going to need an updated video for the new lifesavers y'all have

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Install process is the same, just a tighter fit so they're a bit more tricky, but you got it 🤘 More about technique than brute force. The tighter fit is to reduce the likelihood of them popping off from impacts

@SeanPaulNotTheSinger 9 дней назад

Thanks for the deep dive. It's interesting to see how they handled things differently. Some lessons learned from previous iterations getting applied. I don't like how Roll and Yaw are combined, as I find that with my style of riding having Yaw boosted over Roll feels best, and with Carvability it seems they married them up. Oh well. It's a good thing I wasn't planning on getting a Pint anytime soon (ever).

@thewheelneil1379 8 дней назад

True they are combined but they also feel better as a whole. Tried to take the guess work out of it.

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

@@thewheelneil1379 ^^^ Agreed, it's less configurable but for a Pint audience I think the simplicity is preferred for sure. It feels pretty dialed to the kind of response I think most riders would want or expect out of it.

@SeanPaulNotTheSinger 8 дней назад

@@thewheelneil1379 fully understand that mine is probably a niche use case. I'm glad they're separate for the GT platforms so my strangeness can be fully embraced.

@thewheelneil1379 8 дней назад

@SeanPaulNotTheSinger that is good to know because it could be an option to cross this over to GT GTS. It actually does ride will through berms and such. What's your use case?

@SeanPaulNotTheSinger 8 дней назад

@@thewheelneil1379 bad ankles, mostly. Heh. I need Roll to be stiffer while Yaw is looser. It allows me to traverse moderate chunk on hard and flat ground leading into and out of the moon dust we have near me. It's hard to describe, but has taken a lot of tinkering with the settings to figure out what works for me on my local trails

@stumbledoor 8 дней назад

I loved @nicoaleman in this video to help explain everything!

@benlay750 8 дней назад

My OG Pint has custom shaping = FFM Wheel and Float Remote

@luckygunner3294 8 дней назад

What speed do you get push back only reason I purchased it was because the 20mph before push back .

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Pint S pushback kicks in at 18 and gets stronger as you approach 20mph. This is 2mph higher than the previous Pint X pushback, which kicked in at 16 and got stronger as you approached Pint X's advertised top speed of 18mph. The way pushback kicks in is also smoother and less jarring, though the angle at max pushback is still really aggressive. Keep in mind though that Pint X will also be getting this speed bump in a few weeks through a firmware update.

@TheSr4M 6 дней назад

When PintV kit? 😏

@deanaoxo 8 дней назад

I must be a total nerd, I enjoyed every second of that, but then, it is raining outside. . .

@Dill-ng9ff 8 дней назад

Super helpful, thanks guys! Any idea when the update will release for the Pint X?

@TheFloatLife 8 дней назад

Couple weeks

@Lowcoupe 8 дней назад

Can verify, my old pint did have shaping in the it when I rewheeled, it was only 2 sliders for carving and aggro

@deltax7159 8 дней назад

Already commented on Onewheel pint S video but figured you guys might know and comment back first. Do you think I will need to update to the current firmware before I can update with the new pint S firmware coming out soon? I never updated my pint X firmware to the current one that brought haptic buzz.

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

There's no need to do two firmware updates, just do a single update straight to the latest firmware once the latest update is released in a few weeks. If you plan to get WTF rails at any point, I would get them and re-level prior to updating, and you are unable to once you update (just keep in mind that the re-leveling would be permanent upon updating).

@deltax7159 5 дней назад

@@nicoaleman so update, it did actually require me to download gemini5100 before I could download gemini5200. so required 2 updates in a row to get to the new firmware. stoked!

@RaZoR13372K 8 дней назад

The thing with shaping on the pints before is that it was leftover xr code which you could unlock *but* you also had to spoof the board as an xr if u wanted to change any of it in the app cause the app uses the board generation to determine what you can and can't do, exception now being the pint s where at least on android they just check for the pintx board generation and if it's running firmware 5200 or newer. Another side note is that in 5100 they removed parts of the ride mode code in the firmware that sets the custom shaping parameters so a "simple" unlock is not possible anymore in that firmware, has to be either 5040 or 5076 if one wants to unlock it

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Ahh now I remember. I believe as an alternative to spoofing, you could also fore-go spoofing as an XR and instead use an alternative app such as Float Remote to access the custom shaping parameters. Just required spoofing if you wanted to access custom through the FM app.

@RaZoR13372K 8 дней назад

@@nicoaleman Yep! Rewheel also had a live view where you could adjust it

@3tch3r 8 дней назад

You should put a og pint bumper on that beast

@DannyVdesign 8 дней назад

Very educational, much wow! Does top speed pushback get reduced if your stance is angled down? Or does it always captain morgan? Thx

@CosmicJubatus 8 дней назад

[XR+, FL WTF, 2.5 months / 800 km of experience] i've been getting comfortable with speeds of around 25 kmph (about 15 mph) & i feel like pushback is less annoying when my nose is tilted -1° the catch: gotta ease into the acceleration... but it feels more stable at speed & reduces my foot fatigue significantly (as opposed to positive tilt), so ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

@ninja__5375 8 дней назад

Setting vs battery!

@Neilly671 8 дней назад

I may just update my pintx now

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

I'd wait for when the update actually drops for Pint X in a few weeks, but once it does, it's definitely worth it. Better turning, higher pushback speed, and other ride improvements definitely make up for the haptic buzz IMO. If you plan to ever get WTF rails though, I'd wait on updating until you can get ahold of those and re-level prior, since you aren't able to post-update (just note that the re-level would be permanent)

@Neilly671 8 дней назад

@@nicoaleman I'm stoked for Posi so my kid can ride it!!

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

@Neilly671 Posi helps a ton, but remember it's only for engaging and disables once you start moving, so heel/toe lift cutouts can still get you if you come to a standstill after riding, especially into low speed sharp turns. Worst case, Gripples help with engagement and would definitely help as well

@Neilly671 8 дней назад

@@nicoaleman ya he only has troubles starting!!

@andrewtv5626 8 дней назад

How will this impact PintX that has surestart installed? Jump engagement and zone…?

@WallyCrew 8 дней назад

I woulda liked to see your personal preferred settings on the board just as an added bonus :))

@TheFloatLife 8 дней назад

Pacific with single zone activation is my preferred.

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Not many miles on the board yet, but so far for cruising around the streets, I'm liking aggressiveness of 5 (feels about in line with Pacific, maybe a touch more snappiness), nose down -0.5 for a comfortable stance at speed, and carvability up to +4 to help compensate for that dropped nose 👌

@WallyCrew 8 дней назад

Legends, thanks guys

@tommyaccongio654 8 дней назад

@@nicoalemanlegend, thanks for all your help man. Absolutely a great video. Can’t wait to try your setting 👍👍👍

@vinaysisoukraj 8 дней назад

Can we see Nico do some trail rides?

@TheFloatLife 8 дней назад

As soon as his foot is better hell yeah!

@Reedith 7 дней назад

Oh my God they literally just re-wheeled it That's f****** hilarious it's just XR firmware on a pint

@sethmcgowan7339 7 дней назад

Curious about durability here. At 2:10 you drop it on its side and say "it didnt brick." I'm about a week into my onewheel journey and when you said that, I was like, holy s---, have I been on the edge of bricking my board this whole week?

@nicoaleman 7 дней назад

Nah, these boards generally can take a huge beating, and tumbling is usually no issue. The situation he's describing where the board falls directly on the side rail from a drop is extremely harsh and really only happens in trick riding, but that specific kind of impact is notorious for killing boards haha. Video's audio did it no justice at all, it sounded like a straight up gunshot when he dropped it 😂

@jellytavern5920 6 дней назад

Can the s Cruz at 20 now with the update of the app? In the past video you said it pushed back at 18/19

@TheFloatLife 6 дней назад

Not really. 18 pushback starts, HB at 19, and at 20 it's full captain and buzz

@Emth_ 8 дней назад

can the new S firmware be digitilted?

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

We technically haven't tried, but it's highly unlikely

@Emth_ 8 дней назад

@@nicoaleman bummer :c will be interesting to see how the X will be affected. i assume that will be disabled too when it gets S'd since the GT was able to be locked out

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

@@Emth_ The Haptic Buzz update already blocked out Digi-tilt on Pint/Pint X unfortunately. XR is the only updated FM board that can still be re-leveled

@Emth_ 8 дней назад

@@nicoaleman gotcha, i always thought the pint/x were in the safe group alongside the xr. thanks!

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

@@Emth_ I'm honestly actually not 100% sure on that, hopefully someone else can confirm. But pretty sure what I mentioned is the case.

@jeremyneworleans 7 дней назад

Will the Pint X get this kind of tweeking available ?

@nicoaleman 6 дней назад

Yup! Incoming update, about 2-4 weeks out

@evanmccombs339 4 дня назад

It just came out yesterday for the Pint X as well, just took a ride on it this morning and I'm pretty stoked on it. Been waiting for custom shaping for 2 years, and was starting to think it would never happen.

@Kubiszonisko 7 дней назад

Will you compare Pint S to Pint V?

@TheFloatLife 7 дней назад

Yeah, we just gotta get a kit first!

@tanmaybhattacharya9749 8 дней назад

Isnt it harder for FM to maintain two different versions of Custom shaping ? one for the GT and one for Pint. It weird why they would put in more work to give us less stuff !

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Two main reasons: One, a simpler and more approachable custom shaping is probably more suitable for a Pint audience regardless. But also Two, it's much easier to work off of XR custom shaping since the Pint hardware and firmware are based on XR. XR custom was actually already in the firmware, just inaccessible. So starting with XR custom and improving from there is much easier development-wise. GT firmware and hardware are completely different, so porting over GT custom would be a more extensive development process. And supposedly, there actually wasn't much room on the Pint controller's flash to add much more complexity to the Pint firmware even if they wanted to.

@adampaterson6784 2 дня назад

can you speak to the gts issues at some point ? bricking mid ride ?

@TheFloatLife 2 дня назад

No one knows what's going on and we are not getting much info from FM. We have owned 4 GT-S and 2 of them have done a random shutoff at speed that we can't recreate. That's all I know

@adampaterson6784 2 дня назад

appreciate the info thank you

@MFD005 8 дней назад

Awesome video but I still think vesc is better even for pint.

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

My VESC Growler (featured in this vid) is definitely still my favorite board 🤘

@Excronix 5 дней назад

Soooo Max speed is still under 20?

@leeweber85 8 дней назад

Is pushback harshness still the same?

@thewheelneil1379 8 дней назад

No, it is not the same as Pint X pushback currently. Comes in more gradually and 2mph later.

@PatrickM89 8 дней назад

Has anyone talked about why the different ride modes all still say 18 mph? Is the pint s currently still 18 mph max until the update?

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Probably just an oversight on FM's part. The pushback kicks in at 18 and gets stronger as you approach 20mph. This is 2mph than the previous Pint X behavior, which is advertised as 18 and kicks in at 16, getting stronger as you approach 18

@PatrickM89 8 дней назад

@@nicoalemanok makes sense. Mine arrived yesterday and I haven’t even had the chance to test pushback yet but thanks for the reply!

@CosmicJubatus 8 дней назад

08:19 [Carveability] "You can select any- where between -5 [Loose] to +5 [Tight]." i'm sorry, ¿am i tripping ¿how does Loose = -5 Carveability ¿isn't Tight the opposite on Carveable whoever decided to rename the values from XR+ Custom Shaping didn't think this throug; that dial should go from 11 [Loose] to 1 [Tight]

@adoonjackson2605 8 дней назад

Pint x bangs please

@wanheda9273 8 дней назад

No Dynamic Responsiveness :( @nico :D

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Unfortunately not, the XR and Pints are much too weak to take advantage of something like stiffer dynamic responsiveness. It would just make over-torqueing the board and nose/tail dipping feel more jarring and have a rubber banding effect, much like high aggressiveness already does.

@wanheda9273 8 дней назад

@@nicoaleman Ah that’s fair.. 😊

@NIGHTWHEEL... 8 дней назад

XR carveability is how much it accelerates through a corner

@NIGHTWHEEL... 8 дней назад

Side note 0 is the best option for this one 🤣

@CH59vlog 8 дней назад

Is the update for the pint x out yet?

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Couple weeks! They've thrown out a few estimations from 2 weeks, to 3-4, to "by the end of the month." Hopefully sooner than later 🤞

@CH59vlog 8 дней назад

@@nicoaleman I cant wait for it, I feel the need for speed!

@Tyson_mcnuggets 8 дней назад

Did you ever confirm that the pint s does still hit pushback at 18, or is it actually 20?

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

@Tyson_mcnuggets 8 дней назад

@@nicoaleman awesome, thank you for the response!

@SaiyanEuc 8 дней назад

Hey I have rewheel shaping 😂 I just need to vesc this board.

@CM-bn1ri 9 дней назад

Well thats a shame 🤣

@jchoi5488 8 дней назад

Push back test?!

@nicoaleman 8 дней назад

Check out the previous first impressions video! Pushback comes in at 18mph, and gets stronger as you approach 20mph. Kicks in smoother and less jarring than previous Pint/PintX firmware, but the angle is still fairly aggressive at max pushback (20mph)

@RichardDemsick 8 дней назад

It wasn’t HATE nothing but LOVE it was empowerment… you can do better 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️

@OldTownShredder 8 дней назад

pls bring follow me back!!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏

@TheFloatLife 8 дней назад

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