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Well There's Your Problem | Episode 51: One Meridian Plaza Fire 

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@lost4468yt
@lost4468yt 3 года назад
What a bullshit podcast. Don't advertise yourself as an engineering podcast or something like radiolab and then spend the majority of it talking about politics and bullshit, what a highly misleading title and thumbnail, flagged.
@francistheodorecatte
@francistheodorecatte 3 года назад
engineering is politics my dude, no reason to be angry about it.
@redbasher636
@redbasher636 3 года назад
Someone is salty.
@lost4468yt
@lost4468yt 3 года назад
@@francistheodorecatte No it's not. Unless you want to just be arbitrary, then you can label anything politics and the word loses all meaning. The thumbnail and title made no mention of anything besides the fire. Yet I open the video and it's all bullshit about American politics which I really don't care about. It's against RU-vid's term of service and while this channel might get away with it while this small, it certainly will not if it grows. Also from clicking through a few other videos the hosts are incredibly arrogant. People supply entirely harmless criticism in good faith and the hosts act like assholes and get all offended. It's really sad that some people can't handle basic criticism like that and have to get upset.
@welltheresyourproblempodca1465
@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 3 года назад
Yes it is, bud. Relax.
@simongiavaras7787
@simongiavaras7787 3 года назад
You know how some shows have these things called running segments where they do a bit every week? Yeah. Ah yes, engineering, that thing that exists in a vacuum and is no way related to the material reality brought about by politics
@WingsStrings
@WingsStrings 3 года назад
A&W is short for Amburgers & Wootbeer
@PrettyH8Mach1n3
@PrettyH8Mach1n3 3 года назад
I remember some ancient albino black sheep video that informed me of this good good fact.
@Fopenplop
@Fopenplop 2 года назад
@@PrettyH8Mach1n3 🐻
@doctorworm420
@doctorworm420 3 года назад
I had a dream about the fabled Tacoma Narrows episode you had Werner Herzog as a guest and the goddamn news was inexplicably in Yiddish.
@nunyabidnis3815
@nunyabidnis3815 3 года назад
I want this timeline.
@ashleyfurrow4414
@ashleyfurrow4414 3 года назад
The lost episode 13
@memomorph5375
@memomorph5375 2 года назад
Yeah that sounds about right
@nadavpais-greenapple5669
@nadavpais-greenapple5669 Год назад
i Need this
@tcrime
@tcrime 3 года назад
I commented about this on the Five-Over-Ones episode, but whatever. I used to install sprinkler systems in the UK. We mainly did timber-framed residential places or really old/remote buildings that would be hard for fire appliances to get access to, not these giant office buildings, but it continues to amaze me that sprinklers are not mandatory basically everywhere. If you install and maintain them properly (and don't fuck about with the mains water pressure), they work really well. When you consider the cost of installing them vs. the cost of potentially losing the whole building, not to mention killing residents, firefighters, etc., I honestly think that building owners who cheap out and refuse to install them deserve to have their shit kicked in, either literally or judicially.
@robertyoung4275
@robertyoung4275 3 года назад
Weirdly, there are much more common and more or less universally mandated in the USA at this point. Shortly after One Meridan Plaza, there was a fire in a dorm at a college in New Jersey, and after that combination, sprinklers were mandated in pretty much all tall buildings and in most multi-unit buildings, at least in the sane parts of this country. Ironically (as you probably know) they weren't mandated in tall buildings in the UK because almost all of those buildings were being built by the government (at some level), and they didn't want to pay for the installation. And yes, at this point (at least in the USA) you'd never get insurance on a tall or large building without an integral sprinkler system, so you'd never get financing, certificates of occupation, etc.
@tcrime
@tcrime 3 года назад
@@robertyoung4275 If I remember correctly, there was some lame attempt at mandating it in England for multi-occupancy buildings or those over a certain height, but of course it's not retroactive and in any case, the enforcement of building control regs here is the weakest shit imaginable. Then you get things like Grenfell Tower. In Wales I believe it's compulsory in all new residential buildings, mainly due to a particular Welsh AM (Ann Jones) who has been campaigning on this issue for ages. A couple of the guys I worked with helped her and the fire brigade set up a demo for the council, to prove how effective they are.
@foursix32
@foursix32 3 года назад
But according to WTYP University, sprinkler systems are the leading cause of drowning during building collapses...
@maximilianwimmer627
@maximilianwimmer627 3 года назад
And then there are those people (called lobbyists) who heavily advocate reducing over-burderning restrictions and regulations (mandated of corse by an oppressive state in order to terrorize us), because only this way it will stimulate economic growth by reducing costs for the companies . NO, these regulations are there for a reason! They are there to stop greedy people from cutting corners at the expense of the safety of other people!
@nicolescats2
@nicolescats2 3 года назад
Compare the frequency of fires and the frequency of buildings collapses, and you'll find sprinkles lead to an increase in safety. Another way to increase safety, build buildings in a way that makes collapse unlikely.
@hannabelphaege3774
@hannabelphaege3774 3 года назад
A pin that reads: "Instructions Unclear, Filled Pipe with Horse viscera" would be perfect merch
@jamiekamihachi3135
@jamiekamihachi3135 3 года назад
Along with “I Don’t Respect Fish.”
@memomorph5375
@memomorph5375 3 года назад
I’d wear both of those!
@scullystie4389
@scullystie4389 3 года назад
A WTYP poster in the style of old advertising, which reads “Only one podcast can reduce your brain to a soup-like homogenate in 30 seconds or less”
@creampop8553
@creampop8553 3 года назад
Or horse viscera cleaning crew merch. A hat could work?
@jamiekamihachi3135
@jamiekamihachi3135 3 года назад
@@creampop8553 Has to be a 19th century top hat if they do hats.
@TheGolux
@TheGolux 3 года назад
"Creative interpretation of the fire code," always something you want to hear.
@nathaniellindner313
@nathaniellindner313 3 года назад
From experience, the average landowner is more than willing to let the building burn down with all hands aboard versus spending an additional 10k on fire suppression systems
@DiamondKingStudios
@DiamondKingStudios Год назад
“Examining fire safety regulations from a revisionist perspective”
@jacobhangger5626
@jacobhangger5626 7 месяцев назад
When he said “who decided it was a good idea to lock the emergency stairs” all I could think was “did someone mention triangle shirtwaist factory?”
@raptormaster666
@raptormaster666 3 года назад
I liked the comment someone made that went: "Because of COVID preventing Americans from going anywhere, they had to arrange a coup of govt locally."
@OpreRoma
@OpreRoma 3 года назад
There was a few good jokes on Venezuelan social media, inclhding that one: "We recognise the weird guy in the viking hat as the interim President of the United States" "The coup attempt at the Capitol failed as there was no US embassy in Washington D.C. to provide logistical support"
@lasschesteven
@lasschesteven 3 года назад
There was also a Tweet along the lines of "Headline: A joint Middle Eastern and Latin American peacekeeping force has been deployed to stabilise American democracy. Our correspondant on the ground, who speaks no English, will tell us more at eight."
@ZoneofA
@ZoneofA 3 года назад
Joke is on imbeciles that think coup failed. Alas if there is one thing not in short supply it is imbeciles in US.
@industrialborn
@industrialborn 3 года назад
@@ZoneofA what?
@ZoneofA
@ZoneofA 3 года назад
@@industrialborn I guess you are too slow to get it. But ad least your reply confirms my hypothesis abut glut of imbeciles in US.
@deeso8481
@deeso8481 3 года назад
can't believe that nobody has yet suggested that the beef particle is primarily composed of muons
@gelatinocyte6270
@gelatinocyte6270 3 года назад
As in "moo-ons"?
@drakkenmensch
@drakkenmensch 3 года назад
The idea of a cow made entirely out of chemistry molecular models made me giggle.
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob 3 года назад
Horse particles are made of gluons
@heheheiamasuperstarcatgirl8485
@heheheiamasuperstarcatgirl8485 6 месяцев назад
Bose headphones? That's right, powered by electrons. But they're made of bosons
@GrantSimons2
@GrantSimons2 3 года назад
"We're not class traitors... we were on an architecture tour" I have never related to something so hard
@flyingskier1913
@flyingskier1913 3 года назад
I think that the problem is that the building caught fire when it wasn’t supposed to be on fire.
@mfThump
@mfThump 3 года назад
Ya that'll do it.
@WaterMan416
@WaterMan416 3 года назад
If it were me, I simply wouldn't have let it catch on fire.
@flyingskier1913
@flyingskier1913 3 года назад
@@WaterMan416 that does seem like the most logical solution.
@malikshakur1306
@malikshakur1306 3 года назад
you simply dont want this
@ianrennie7728
@ianrennie7728 3 года назад
This Was The One Thing We Didn't Want To Happen
@robin8404
@robin8404 3 года назад
I'm honestly amazed how mature Alice was during the entire discussion on "dynamic head"
@salsaroja9740
@salsaroja9740 Год назад
I would’ve rung off at least three or four more head jokes if I were in her position
@matt-kv1nu
@matt-kv1nu 3 года назад
campaign for Alice to get james may’s “rtfm: read the fucking manual” as a drop
@robertyoung4275
@robertyoung4275 3 года назад
The domed Girard Trust building was designed by Frank Furness, something which was only discovered fairly recently (in the last 20 years). I don't know if anyone has fully fleshed out the story, which is probably partly contained in the bank's archives, but the basic outlines are as follows: Furness is hired by the bank to design their new headquarters. The design he presents is considered old-fashioned, so McKim Mead and White are hired. But Fruness has deep connections to Philadelphia society, including the bank's board, so he's allowed to turn in another design, the one which is built, and to do the design work on the project, while (for some reason) MM&W remain the architects of record. There's a good chance he was seen as unstable and in need of oversight, as he was already drinking heavily at this point, something which would factor into his death only a few years later. If you look at the details of the decoration on the building and at Furness' late, Neoclassical-influenced buildings, you'll see his work in the structure. Those massively oversized volutes he loves, for instance. There are also, on the exerior, sections of complex relief-carved ornament at the cornice level, which were started but never finished, which would have given the building a more Furness-ian flare. Late Furness is a subject most historians have stayed away from, feeling that he was a bad Neoclassicist, but they failed to understand what he was doing. His late work is intentionally deeply weird, Mannerist stuff, and I love it.
@brandonbohan7281
@brandonbohan7281 3 года назад
To the victims of fascism, there isn't a difference between a fascist and a fascist apologist. The results are the same
@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968
@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 3 года назад
to bad fascism is anything right of Mao
@RJ_Productions316
@RJ_Productions316 2 года назад
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 Funny coming from someone who likely thinks anything to the left of Hitler is "Liberal Communism"
@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968
@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 2 года назад
@@RJ_Productions316 lol they merge at Hegel they're sister religious philosophies. the only difference is Hitler's socialism was communism light and they didn't butcher all of the old guard.
@nestorkropotkin8952
@nestorkropotkin8952 2 года назад
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 horseshoe theory is when someone compares those who want to murder Jews to those who want to stop folks from blaming Jews for their inability to win gets hit in the head with a bag of horseshoes.
@embersaffron5522
@embersaffron5522 2 года назад
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 Yes but no. Well...No but No ya now
@cmarano
@cmarano 3 года назад
"You thinnk the average Trump supporter is a Nazi?" Well do you think the average Nazi in Germany in the 1930s was a hard core Fascist? No, but hey enabled the crimes that Hitler's government committed. It's called being complicit. I agree with Liam, punching a Nazi is always the right choice.
@slaughterround643
@slaughterround643 3 года назад
I don't think we should punch nazis I can't say what I think we _should_ do to nazis, for legal reasons, but it rhymes with boot
@cmarano
@cmarano 3 года назад
@@slaughterround643 There's always a chance that .00001% of them can be reformed but you can't teach a dead dog new tricks so beating only. :-)
@slaughterround643
@slaughterround643 3 года назад
@@cmarano suit yourself!
@j2simpso
@j2simpso 3 года назад
@@slaughterround643 didn't a President once say something about what we should do when the looting starts? I forget the rest of the line though!
@slaughterround643
@slaughterround643 3 года назад
@@j2simpso please read a book :)
@sidexrulz2006
@sidexrulz2006 3 года назад
Ceausescu's palace looks like ass, confirmed. Source: I can see it out the window while listening to this. We are currently building a megalomaniac cathedral right behind it. Bucharest is an engineering disaster in the making, come visit when the plague is over.
@MrJimheeren
@MrJimheeren 3 года назад
Bucharest is fun. Little rough but I had a great time visiting a couple of years ago. Great bars as well, the woman are not bad either.
@leonecanin1322
@leonecanin1322 3 года назад
@@MrJimheeren men are nice too..
@industrialborn
@industrialborn 3 года назад
So there are other romanians listening to this podcast ? Salut din tm
@MrJohndoakes
@MrJohndoakes 3 года назад
Isn't the f'ing thing (Ceaușescu's palace) so heavy it's beginning to crumble the marble at the base of it? That's what I heard.
@sidexrulz2006
@sidexrulz2006 3 года назад
@@MrJohndoakes It is obscenely heavy but I seriously doubt it has any structural problems since it is basically a bunker made to withstand strong earthquakes (Bucharest is in an earthquake prone area) and probably a nuclear attack since it was built during the last years of the Cold War. It has multiple underground levels and god knows how deep the foundations go.
@themroc8231
@themroc8231 3 года назад
If we are promoting our favorite architects: Argentinian architect Francisco Salamone used to do big-ass projects in the 1930's in the middle of nothing in the pampa: city-halls, cemeteries and slaughterhouses... They were all art-deco-y, badass and ominous-looking. The mayor of a small town was famously reluctant to inaugurate the cemetery because he said it "looked like it was made by the devil".
@williamchamberlain2263
@williamchamberlain2263 3 года назад
He was so ominous that he designed during "The Infamous Decade". Known for ... city halls, slaughterhouses, and cemeteries ; was he trying to send a message to the civil servants?
@themroc8231
@themroc8231 3 года назад
@@williamchamberlain2263 Rural economy in Argentina in the 30's was mostly meat-based (still kinda is).
@themroc8231
@themroc8231 3 года назад
@@williamchamberlain2263 The other weird thing about his career is that he did like 60 projects in 4 years and then just stopped doing architecture.
@dylanchouinard6141
@dylanchouinard6141 3 года назад
I looked up this guy and one of the first things I saw was the front gate of his cemetery, which has RIP written above the door in a proportionally insane font.
@themroc8231
@themroc8231 3 года назад
@@dylanchouinard6141 Also most of his city halls have clock towers that are always taller than the church, and it´s most likely not a coincidence.
@cristizagan8232
@cristizagan8232 3 года назад
Romanian here to half heartedly defend Casa Poporului (People's Palace). Calling it ugly is a little bit harsh, it looks like a normal boring government building but with the scale slider turned up. When I went there a janitor told me to be careful around the curtains because they are so big and heavy they can hurt you if they fall. Also even though it's one of the biggest buildings in the world nobody in Bucharest can tell you how to get there. I think it's because it's surrounded by embassies and places like that where most people don't usually go.
@EmissaryofWind
@EmissaryofWind 3 года назад
Looking at pictures it gives me the same feeling as airports and gigantic malls, it's so big and so complex of a structure, you could get lost in there or find hidden secret places. It's like a Piranesi drawing
@SadisticSenpai61
@SadisticSenpai61 3 года назад
Having looked up pics of it on google, it looks remarkably like an insurance company's building in my capital. It was a couple blocks down from where I worked (another insurance company) several years ago, but I don't remember which insurance company owned/leased it. Ofc, it was nowhere near as big as Casa Poporului. Okay, I just googled it. It's Wellmark. The shape is very similar, but it's one of those hideous glass office buildings. So compared to Wellmark's shitty knock-off, Casa Poporului looks very nice. I mostly remembered it was on the way to the sculpture park where everyone would go to catch pokemon back when Pokemon Go came out. lol
@95keat
@95keat 3 года назад
Big is good. If something looks bad, just make it bigger
@PisauraXTX
@PisauraXTX 3 года назад
"The enemy of my enemy is not my friend" - Yes, thank you. Keep blessing the online left with your wisdom, all of you. There are way too many self-appointed experts out there who think stanning Al-Asad or the governments of China or Russia or whatever just because they're against the US is good praxis.
@xalrath
@xalrath 3 года назад
to be honest we mostly avoid impugning assad out of respect for his witches' curse
@jake050792
@jake050792 3 года назад
Pretty lib take my guy.
@42stea
@42stea 3 года назад
really starting to think Justin going to the bathroom is a bit to let Alice and Liam go off script as a kind of intermission halfway though the technical stuff
@cream_soda
@cream_soda 3 года назад
bold of you to assume there is a script to go off of
@hiddenshadow2105
@hiddenshadow2105 3 года назад
@@cream_soda Off-off script then
@gelatinocyte6270
@gelatinocyte6270 3 года назад
@@hiddenshadow2105 An off-script script
@hiddenshadow2105
@hiddenshadow2105 3 года назад
@@gelatinocyte6270 Off-off script script
@markchapman4580
@markchapman4580 3 года назад
How much Patreon money will it be to pay for Justin to get a larger bladder?
@industrialborn
@industrialborn 3 года назад
All that money will go into beer giving him an even smaller bladder
@j2simpso
@j2simpso 3 года назад
Lots of money, we're talkin' Fifa Money baby for him to be like Sepp Bladder!
@grmpEqweer
@grmpEqweer 3 года назад
A sheath catheter would work.
@Madhouse_Media
@Madhouse_Media Год назад
How much does an empty Gatorade bottle cost?
@peter_smyth
@peter_smyth 3 года назад
PI: Principal investigator. The lecturer in charge of the lab, who is usually busy preparing lectures and applying for grants, so spends very little time actually in the lab supervising students. Also, the flask on the bottom left is sat in a circular cork holder (because it's round-bottomed), and isn't full of baked beans.
@EmissaryofWind
@EmissaryofWind 3 года назад
Disappointing
@drakkenmensch
@drakkenmensch 3 года назад
Considering how unsafe that lab was, would it surprise anyone if instead of cork that was indeed filled with beans?
@MrEvilchickens
@MrEvilchickens 3 года назад
To add to this, PI's are usually responsible for the safety of their researchers. They make sure that local lab rules are followed correctly plus any additional rules for the research project.
@lyndonwesthaven6623
@lyndonwesthaven6623 2 года назад
Private investigator. Doesn't answer emails because they're too busy brooding, drinking whiskey, and bantering with dames
@gray0014
@gray0014 Год назад
i just commented about the bean flask reality. but tbh i wouldnt be suprised if the undergrads used rbfs to heat a snack of baked beans.
@michaelminnick2516
@michaelminnick2516 3 года назад
No joke, in one of my fluid dynamics books there was a table with viscosities of different fluids and one of those was “ground beef”. I was just imagining this episode’s fluid mechanics topics, like pressure head and pressure reducing valves etc, but with ground beef instead of water.
@noah3384
@noah3384 3 года назад
“Ground beef” = horse viscera.
@joshuadavies108
@joshuadavies108 2 года назад
@@noah3384 Tesco in the UK would love to employ you
@isaactrockman4417
@isaactrockman4417 Год назад
My thermodynamics textbook occasionally used blood as an example of a fluid and listed it’s property
@MatthewSmith-sz1yq
@MatthewSmith-sz1yq 11 месяцев назад
​@@noah3384ground beef is the "spherical cow" of meat-based fluid dynamics
@oinksnork
@oinksnork 3 года назад
I have visions about the episode after the Tacoma Narrows disaster being about how fascism is an engineering disaster, with hour long tangents about how Mussolini didn't fix trains and that nazi's gave trains bad reputations, Liam screaming about how unfair it was for passenger steam locomotive development in the USA, withholding from America the title of fastest [something] on rails, albeit that that fastest something is a steam locomotive (passenger steam locomotive production was halted during WW2 because of wartime restrictions). It would be a glorious mess
@ukaszgolon5617
@ukaszgolon5617 3 года назад
That would work well as a bonus episode.
@apterminator3882
@apterminator3882 3 года назад
WTYP episode plan: 5-15 Min: Intro 15-45 min: The goddamn news 30 min-1 hr: Sidetracked ranting 1-2 hrs: Background information 1-5 min: Bathroom breaks 15 min-1 hr: Sidetracked ranting 5-15 min: The disaster 30 min-1hr:Sidetracked ranting 15-30 min: Safety 3rd 30 min- 1hr: Sidetracked ranting 5-15 min: Outro
@theonetruefishboy3239
@theonetruefishboy3239 3 года назад
11:00 the Qanon Anonymous podcast had an interesting take on the larpers vs serious terrorists argument. Basically both were present at the Capital Siege, and the serious terrorists were essentially "riding the (larpers) into battle" riding their larger, more popular wave into a place where they can do serious and real harm.
@ukaszgolon5617
@ukaszgolon5617 3 года назад
Reminds me of the relation between serious nazis and the greater gamergate crowd, as explored in one of the videos from Innuendo Studios.
@lenmrt
@lenmrt 3 года назад
Ah, the larper TonTons, yes
@AbsolXGuardian
@AbsolXGuardian 2 года назад
Yeah. There were people there who were black bloced, not taking selfies (photographed by their side naturally), holding a bunch of zip ties pressumably looking for the door to the bunker the legislature was currently in. They weren't technically properly black bloced, their black combat outfits (no idea how much was practical and how much was cosplay) had patches on them. No idea if they were ever IDed from their patches, that was the last I saw of them in the news. But they weren't letting their faces be plastered over social media.
@viniciusdesouzamaia
@viniciusdesouzamaia 3 года назад
You know what this building really needed? Cladding. Especially if it was cheap and made of petrochemicals.
@robertyoung4275
@robertyoung4275 3 года назад
Funny you should mention that: the cladding was insanely over-engineered, granite veneer on concrete or something like that, but it was held in place with fairly thin stainless steel dowels. One of the concerns during and after the fire was that the dowels had melted and that the entire facade would peel off and kill people in the street. There was also some problem or incident with the cladding while the building was being constructed. I ran into an engineer who worked on it who said the building was cursed, but I didn't get a chance to get the story out of him. I believe there were some construction workers killed while it was going up.
@Thurzatuhl
@Thurzatuhl 3 года назад
P.I. means "Primary Investigator" of a lab, usually a professor. They're the landlords of science. They get the idea and do (maybe some) of the grant requests, and get a bunch of grad and Ph.D candidates to do virtually all the legwork for them, and also get primary credit and listed as the first author. In this case, it sounds like they're an absentee landlord.
@1123-n9f
@1123-n9f 3 года назад
Lol, “landlord of science” is definitely a good description of a PI
@ViolentOrchid
@ViolentOrchid 3 года назад
Ok, "put wet stuff on red stuff" is a useful description for other professions too.
@industrialborn
@industrialborn 3 года назад
Like a pool builder in the soviet union ?
@TheRealE.B.
@TheRealE.B. 3 года назад
Yes, Trumpists are all workers who just happen to never have had anything better to do in the middle of the day on Wednesdays for the past 4 years except riot and go to the cornfield equivalent of an anime convention.
@carnahansteve
@carnahansteve 3 года назад
‘Cornfield equivalent of an anime convention’ is the most underrated comment. I’m definitely stealing it
@artistwithouttalent
@artistwithouttalent Год назад
Presumably because most of them are cops of some extraction and thus have an incredibly powerful union.
@whoever6458
@whoever6458 3 года назад
I had a chemistry professor who, when he was getting his PhD, had a reaction he didn't think was working and, since it was lunch time, he went to the pub for a drink. When he came back to the lab, the entire thing was on fire and it was because his experiment created an exponentially exothermic reaction that just started out so slowly that he thought nothing was happening. Somehow he still got his PhD and taught both me in his last year teaching and my mom when she was in undergrad. All the labs I worked in where pretty clean and safe. I did once accidentally take home a small test tube with some dichloromethane and I don't remember what chemical was dissolved in it. In any case, I was running a gas chromatography test, put the remaining solution in my lab coat pocket and accidentally took it home instead of disposing of it properly in the lab. It's kind of terrifying that, when I remembered it was there, it had evaporated in my apartment! I also accidentally brought home Drosophila melanogaster fruit flies but that wasn't so bad.
@the_cosmic_alexolotl2282
@the_cosmic_alexolotl2282 10 месяцев назад
why does every chemistry department have some old professor who caused An Incident back when mouth pipetting was the norm
@kensurrency2564
@kensurrency2564 3 года назад
I love chemistry stories. Lab tech for over 20 years. I’ve seen some stuff, mostly small. Every lab does something stupid and/or violates safety rules. Sometimes blatantly. One quick story: we have a hood that has notoriously well-known bad air flow. Sometimes no air flow. And it’s so quiet we never know when it goes out. One day, I’m performing a chemical analysis on a test sample (circuit board lab) of production chemistry. The test requires 5 minutes of digestion by boiling with a reagent and sulfuric acid. I start the test, and I’m called away onto the production floor for reasons I cannot recall. When I return to the lab 10 or 15 minutes later, the solution has boiled down almost to dry. My lab partner was nowhere to be found. The sulfuric acid fumes were filling the lab, and other metallurgical lab techs sharing the space were starting to feel the effects of the toxic mix of vapors. I removed the flask from the hot plate (of course) and breathed in some of the vapors (because what else was I going to do?) and called for emergency response and told everyone to get out. The outcome of this situation: facilities/maintenance was aware of the poor condition of the fan and did not put this item as a high priority, thus the failure. Instead of fixing the fan correctly OR replacing the hood, they did a temporary fix which restored its (weak) airflow, and mgmt decided to direct me to make warning stickers to place on the hood instructing us to “Do not leave the hood unattended while in use” and updating the lab protocol SOP to say the same. Training ensued, and ambivalence toward the problem returned. That same hood is still in use to this day (early 2021) and I have moved on to another job within the facility, waste treatment / environmental operations. Separate department, different management. This is just one incident from my days in the lab. Thanks y’all. I love you! (More chemistry stories please 😉)
@jackthorton10
@jackthorton10 3 года назад
Keep up the good work sir :)
@firefox5926
@firefox5926 3 года назад
1:18:49 alice you got to get that law and arder dun dun sound drop for every time roz mentions a date lol
@pelicans456
@pelicans456 3 года назад
I'd take Roz on a date
@philiproszak1678
@philiproszak1678 3 года назад
YESSSSSS! I wonder how much Law and Order is known in the UK?
@synthgal1090
@synthgal1090 3 года назад
@@philiproszak1678 I mean they got their own spinoff
@philiproszak1678
@philiproszak1678 3 года назад
@@synthgal1090 whuuut!? Like the office but in the opposite order. I'll have to check it out.
@kenjisakaie6028
@kenjisakaie6028 3 года назад
Criticism: if you had one dollar for every dollar that Elon Musk has, you would have very little money because overvalued stock isn't real money.
@viliphied
@viliphied 3 года назад
Depends on if you can keep the stock pumped while you quietly offload your shares
@kenjisakaie6028
@kenjisakaie6028 3 года назад
@@viliphied You can't do that
@CODMarioWarfare
@CODMarioWarfare 3 года назад
Worth noting that the firefighters on 9/11 did not seem particularly worried about the buildings collapsing. It seemed quite unexpected the first time it happened. One captain even managed to get to the upper SkyLobby in the South Tower which was like the lowest floor of fire, and started calling for support, but that was literally like a minute or two before the building gave way. Once that happened, basically every firefighter in the North Tower who knew what happened (I think many didn’t) did their best to evacuate. 9/11 was such a disorganized and chaotic scene, though, no one really knows who was in what tower and under whose command.
@BeTeeEl
@BeTeeEl 3 года назад
My dad accidentally left a linseed oil rag in the Florida sun after finishing our deck. It caught fire while we were out and my mom thought I had set it until she read the label on the can. Lol.
@brandonmilby6207
@brandonmilby6207 3 года назад
"PI" means "Principal Investigator". It's the person or persons who wrote the proposal and received the grant.
@CTCTraining1
@CTCTraining1 3 года назад
Ah, that makes more sense... all I could think of was Magnum PI
@sweetpeabee4983
@sweetpeabee4983 3 года назад
In theory lol. If you're a big enough cheese PI, you hire someone to write your grant proposals and just do the receiving while idk, wandering around and bragging about yourself or smth...
@PrettyH8Mach1n3
@PrettyH8Mach1n3 3 года назад
Also the person that advises the graduate students, iirc.
@devinmclincha3284
@devinmclincha3284 3 года назад
I love living in what historians call the "COOL ZONE"
@zombieraddish
@zombieraddish 3 года назад
Here to definitively approve of precisely all of WTYP's antifascist opinions in regards to the capitol thing and its fallout. 10 outta 10. No discourse to be had on my end. Glad I'm not on twitter
@benoitbvg2888
@benoitbvg2888 3 года назад
I created a twitter account like a year and a half ago. I've used it twice since, both times to send insults to @realdonaldtrump. Guess I can delete it now.
@strega1380
@strega1380 3 года назад
@@benoitbvg2888 no, keep it and follow some communists
@WaterMan416
@WaterMan416 3 года назад
Agree, follow some communists. But furthermore, you can send insults to Ted Cruz too.
@benoitbvg2888
@benoitbvg2888 3 года назад
@@WaterMan416 Oooooo GREAT idea
@aprilk141
@aprilk141 3 года назад
@@WaterMan416 I was gonna say Cruz, but you got there first. Good on yah.
@melissametivier4
@melissametivier4 3 года назад
"I've watched most of the Chemical Safety Board videos and those don't even have jokes. WTYP is exactly the content I crave." I found the Lac-Megantic episode of WTYP during a trip down the RU-vid rabbit hole that started on the USCSB channel. I hear you.
@shtehfaw
@shtehfaw 2 года назад
Me, having only discovered this series a few weeks ago: "I wonder what event they're referring to as causing dread?" (GDN starts) "Ohhhh..."
@artistwithouttalent
@artistwithouttalent Год назад
I'm in a similar position; when I find myself in that situation, I check the upload date.
@sarahgargani5836
@sarahgargani5836 Год назад
I was in a similar position except my first thought was 'is this the first episode after that.'
@DiamondKingStudios
@DiamondKingStudios Год назад
@@sarahgargani5836I saw that this was their first regular episode uploaded after 6 January 2021 (uploaded the 11th) and thought to myself, _Oh, I know_ *exactly* _what the first news headline will be._ Guess it helped that I was around then and remember seeing it on the news. *We all were.* There can’t be anyone in this comment section who wasn’t alive when it happened and who doesn’t remember the significance of the day. It hasn’t even been three years. Are any of you toddlers born this decade? None of you are? I thought as much.
@1121494
@1121494 3 года назад
Tacoma Narrows Bridge coming up next week at last? Looking very much forward to it then. Finally!
@j2simpso
@j2simpso 3 года назад
Given all the commentary on the capitol hill riots, I suspect Liam and Co. will be too narrow with time to discuss the bridge! But to summarize the Tacoma Narrows bridge, never build a narrow bridge!
@atomic.rabbit
@atomic.rabbit 3 года назад
They got me the first time
@nekkoke
@nekkoke 3 года назад
On the college athlete note: theyre finding that student athletes who get covid frequently experience heart damage as a result of myocarditis Students literally have to choose between their health and their future :(
@hethyrworld
@hethyrworld 3 года назад
Keyontae Johnson at UF (one of the top college ball players in the country) collapsed on the court a month ago and was put in a medically-induced coma for days due to myocarditis. Myocarditis is incredibly rare, but not that rare for people who have had COVID, which he had over the summer. So we haven't had a college player collapse and die *yet* but we've come close.
@santiagoaurelio3444
@santiagoaurelio3444 3 года назад
Can confirm firefighters love forcible entry and often have to be told many times "try before you pry"
@PrfColdheart
@PrfColdheart 3 года назад
"To make amends, I'll shut up for 30 seconds." *five seconds later* "I kind of like the Mint Building."
@Baudelier42
@Baudelier42 3 года назад
Maxim 29: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less. - The70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries
@DeHeld8
@DeHeld8 3 года назад
The problem isn't so much leaving the rags with lindseed oil in the open. The problems start when you bunch the rags up and throw them in a bin or some other confining space. If you hang the rags up to dry like on a drying rack and throw them away when dry and hardened (at least 24 hours), that's perfectly safe.
@xingcat
@xingcat 3 года назад
"Most of his best work has been demolished..." Same, man, same.
@Kirisame312
@Kirisame312 3 года назад
Alice's rage at 1:44:30 when she realized her joke was actually reality absolutely killed me
@tccam91
@tccam91 3 года назад
Check out "The First Responders" on the Atavist. It's about the first ambulance corps, Freedom House, in the US (which was all-black, mentioned at 1:30:42). Prior to that, police departments would respond to medical emergencies and take the patients to the hospitals in their own vehicles. The Pittsburgh PD had a minor oopsie when they let the popular mayor David Lawrence die in the back of one of their vans.
@TheEnoEtile
@TheEnoEtile 3 года назад
I really like Rozc's idea for dealing with Trump. I'm also super upset that the Chuds have put me in a position to be upset that someone wanted to publicly hang Mike Pence.
@RedwingBB
@RedwingBB 3 года назад
At first I was daydreaming that someone would place a sidearm on the Resolute Desk in front of him and walk out. But nah that wouldn't work:/
@malikshakur1306
@malikshakur1306 3 года назад
really dunno how to reconcile the fact that this summer i wanted us to do this just at the white house...glad we didn’t..glad they did but man
@morrisonnolan1745
@morrisonnolan1745 Год назад
With all the hydrodynamic discussion of how pipes and the innards of skyscrappers work, this was one of the most informative and interesting eps of wtyp ive heard. The safety third took me back tk some of my lab experiences and safety training.
@unitimmy
@unitimmy 3 года назад
Beware the man who's rich in flax, his morals may be.... Suprisingly combustible
@ShutItKyle
@ShutItKyle 3 года назад
Fnord
@Frommerman
@Frommerman 3 года назад
I just wanna say you all radicalized me way, way further left than I already was. I want to thank, of all things, the RU-vid algorithm for correctly guessing that I wanted my politics to go way left, and showing me the way to do that.
@frank6842
@frank6842 3 года назад
Next step is to read some Howard Zinn
@MatthewSuffidy
@MatthewSuffidy 3 года назад
This is an example of a full totalling maintenance job. Here in the Byward Market in Ottawa, a fine dine restaurant called 'Vittoria Trattoria' had a similar thing happen. A Quebec guy was doing some re tarring on the roof with a torch and started a wood fire. He took a smoke or something and noticed a fire was going. Then he tried to put it out but he said 'flames too strong for me', and it burnt to the ground. The immediate neighbour structure, 'The Fish Market' was not damaged, but later closed as a result of loss of revenue by Covid.
@William-Morey-Baker
@William-Morey-Baker 3 года назад
"there was basically no boss telling them to do this"... EXCUSE ME?! Trump literally told them to do exactly this, for fucks sake 95% of conservative pundits have been agitating for exactly this
@ehsn
@ehsn 3 года назад
Didn't Trump said the assaulters were very special and that "they" loved them? It was a probe coup, legitimized and fueled by weeks of bullshitting that they had won the elections but their opponent had commited fraud, thus were illegitimate, and so were the institutions recognizing the results too. If more trumoers had risen on enought parts of the states or they have had clear military backing who is telling us that they wouldn't have gone all in in stopping Biden's legal investidure? I'm an anarchist and I don't like Biden nor the state, including the Capitol and what it houses, but fuck the nazis, fascists and protofascists wanting to overturn what people voted.
@ehsn
@ehsn 3 года назад
And add to that the years of dogwhistling actual nazis.
@grmpEqweer
@grmpEqweer 3 года назад
Exactly. I loathe the current oligarchy, but a fascist regime is worse.
@PandorasFolly
@PandorasFolly 3 года назад
IT worker here. According to the estimates I've seen the Building was occupied long enough for someone to flash firmware on devices. So everything with firmware is going to be removed and replaced. Then everything with a wire is going to also probably just be replaced. Entire building will more or less be scrubbed down to the studs before work will be allowed to proceed. Then security services will go through everything that was taken out with a fine tooth comb, in a forensic lab type setting, to try and fine physical bugs and any malicious software. I've heard jokes from fellow IT professionals that it would have taken less time to just burn down the building and start completely over
@carterroane1034
@carterroane1034 3 года назад
As a Firefighter in training this whole episode has my laughing like the damn joker at how unsafe this building is
@CatFish107
@CatFish107 3 года назад
As far as water / pressure / head / lift, on the cruise ship I used to work on, we had a manifold of pressure regulating valves in the machinery space, down on the first deck above the double bottom. Each valve would regulate the pressure to a zone of 2 or 3 decks, so I guess the same could hold true for tall stationary buildings, and you could have a regulator that controls a couple to a small handful of floors.
@0531jos
@0531jos 3 года назад
The west side is usually the nicer side because most major cities ... OK a solid number of major cities are located between 30 and 60 degrees North latitude. There, the prevailing winds are west to east. So the east side gets smells from the west side. So if rich people flock to the east side and the west side fills up with manufacturing, impoverished conditions, etc. ... the rich people will have to smell that. They don't want to. So they live on the west side! Problem solved. The nasty smells start on the east side and drift away. Sorry for going on but I know like 3 things in life and that's one of them.
@TheMadisonMachine
@TheMadisonMachine 3 года назад
My grandpa was a mason and a shriner. Masons mostly just have a clubhouse to do rituals to feel special and cool. Shriners are dope though cuz they do a lot of charity
@doctorworm420
@doctorworm420 3 года назад
Shriners are cool! They also had one of the first woman’s order and I think freemasons are kinda still an old boys club. I know a bunch of masons in my community and they do good work but I think they’re still very gendered.
@TheMadisonMachine
@TheMadisonMachine 3 года назад
@@doctorworm420 They are. The only women that can participate in masonic customs and rituals are Rainbow Girls.
@michaelthomascrotch-harvey9197
@michaelthomascrotch-harvey9197 3 года назад
Am I the only one who noticed that Alice started sniffing like Zizek when she was talking about idpol during the God Damned News
@DeadWhiteButterflies
@DeadWhiteButterflies 3 года назад
I just had the mental image of a firefighter domming a cop, and I find it very pleasing.
@Nateofjustice
@Nateofjustice 3 года назад
Aw hell yeah I just found this and finished binging the backlog like 5 minutes ago, now I got a fresh one to peep
@ryanbelt1
@ryanbelt1 3 года назад
Cool i'm not the only weirdo
@WaterMan416
@WaterMan416 3 года назад
That's a hell of a binge. How long did it take?
@Nateofjustice
@Nateofjustice 3 года назад
@@WaterMan416 ten days or so? Not all at once, I guess technically it was several binges in rapid succession.
@WaterMan416
@WaterMan416 3 года назад
@@Nateofjustice Eh, that's still a binge. The early episodes are sub 1 hr but they really got long fairly quickly. Not like I'm complaining, it's just a lot of hours to binge.
@PFMediaServices
@PFMediaServices Год назад
@@WaterMan416 FWIW, I binged them all and then missed them so much I'm bingeing them again. It's been a month, and my listening habits have changed immeasurably.
@pangolin83
@pangolin83 3 года назад
WTYPPod: Making Mondays better
@km5405
@km5405 3 года назад
they should have used more load bearing drywall.
@anthonydivon5571
@anthonydivon5571 3 года назад
My mother's cousin was one of the firefighters that responded to this fire.
@Yora21
@Yora21 3 года назад
Safety Third always makes me glad that I'm in Germany, where a surprise safety inspection is always just one phone call away.
@ellah6188
@ellah6188 2 года назад
Why hasn’t anyone solved the sports curse by giving William Penn a comically large Doug Dimmsdale Dimmadome style hat?
@napalmholocaust9093
@napalmholocaust9093 3 года назад
Here's a fun short one; my local junkyard owner told his employee to weld on a full gas tank. 🔥 💀
@SadisticSenpai61
@SadisticSenpai61 3 года назад
I hate to break it to you, Liam, but as someone who's worked at numerous gas stations, there's probably about 50-100 regulars that we know on sight and just grab their tobacco automatically as they walk in. It's been about 13-15 years, but I bet I could still fill in at the first gas station I ever worked at and still remember my old regulars' tobacco habits.
@darthbob88
@darthbob88 3 года назад
Minor correction to the Capitol report- AFAIK they activated the Maryland and Virginia Guard, but _specifically did not activate_ the DC Guard because DC Guard is under the direct command of the Commander in Chief, while the other two are under command of their governors.
@stiltpuppy
@stiltpuppy 3 года назад
What gets me is that I know if Ros is reading out a person's full name and date of birth, I am going to be pouring one out for them in a moment.
@joecummings1260
@joecummings1260 3 года назад
Up here in the mountains of Pennsylvania we practice better safety in our meth labs than that school in your shake hands with danger segment. Although you may notice times when the fish in the bodies of water in the Chesapeake watershed look a little spun out.
@jackthorton10
@jackthorton10 3 года назад
Meth labs safer than a university lab... now that’s a twist
@NavigatorBR
@NavigatorBR 3 года назад
Paws was the secondman, riding in the cab of that SEPTA RDC car that nailed a gasoline tanker. He saw everything that day.
@20goillini05
@20goillini05 3 года назад
Former orgo student here, that whole story made my skin crawl, and I haven't been in a lab in years.
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 3 года назад
There are stereo radar imaging vision goggles that overlay the info onto your main faceplate now. So yes, we have "night vision" goggles that work through smoke.. just don't try fighting a wild weasel with them.
@LukeFergusonMN
@LukeFergusonMN 3 года назад
Thanks, this completely ruins my plans for a startup using radar NVG to exterminate wild weasels.
@spambot7110
@spambot7110 2 года назад
i can't find any sources on this, just for IR. i really want it to exist though. do you have a link?
@haphazardlark1502
@haphazardlark1502 3 года назад
The contempt for Alice in that moment in Liam’s voice at 23:58 when he says “are you talking about William Penn?” is powerful
@JustDiptych
@JustDiptych 2 года назад
Theory: Alice confused the two because a John Hancock is a signature and you sign your name with a Penn.
@BeTeeEl
@BeTeeEl 3 года назад
I would watch a podcast that was just safety 3rd. Amazing segment
@Corvicula1979
@Corvicula1979 3 года назад
same
@Nick_J_
@Nick_J_ 3 года назад
It’s WILD how good the discourse on this podcast is. Keep it up! Also, had not heard about this disaster. Cool ep 10/10
@daltonkraft4241
@daltonkraft4241 3 года назад
You know what really gets me down? When I plug in my counterfeit electronics and it catches fire because it is actually just made of wet cardboard
@Iron4rd
@Iron4rd 3 года назад
You guys though about doing an episode on the Bent Pyramid of Sneferu. Log story short, they had to change the angle of a pyramid half way through construction because they cocked up their weight estimates and it would have collapsed otherwise.
@danielludwig647
@danielludwig647 3 года назад
I actually think they briefly covered that during a history of high rises segment of another episode? May have been a bonus one. They go ALL the way back to how tall structures developed, naturally starting with pyramids. Edit: if memory serves, it’s in bonus episode 6: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M9z87U9yn0Y.html
@lyndonwesthaven6623
@lyndonwesthaven6623 2 года назад
My Western Civ teacher always gave it a slide in our Egypt unit, just to say loudly 'They experimented! The pyramids were *not* made by aliens! '
@PwnedDuck
@PwnedDuck 3 года назад
Re: the PREIT sounding like pulp novel villains, the Suburban Redevelopment Fund was the big evil conspiracy in LA Noire
@RoamingAdhocrat
@RoamingAdhocrat 3 года назад
PI is probably Principle Investigator, the person in charge of a study. I used to work in clinical trials and our PIs were hospital consultants. All the work was done by two nurses, but the PIs were ultimately responsible for patient safety.
@marinary1326
@marinary1326 3 года назад
I'd move to Philly if Roz was mayor
@SelectHawk
@SelectHawk 3 года назад
For the Safety Third, when Drexel was mentioned I was thinking of my own Alma Mater at the same time, although I think the 4th floor lab that burned out and was recently replaced was an engineering lab, not chemistry.
@alialescoulie1710
@alialescoulie1710 3 года назад
That safety third makes me feel way more confident in my choice to do computational chemistry research, the only injury I risk is carpel tunnels.
@lemon93
@lemon93 3 года назад
Chemical infromatics looks better every day lot less chances of cancer
@gromit7573
@gromit7573 3 года назад
So you expect me to believe a 'dry standpipe' is a dry pipe that just stands???
@ComradeJX8P
@ComradeJX8P 3 года назад
Our upstairs neighbours were applying linseed oil to their floor a few years before we moved in, on a hot summer day. All the apartments in our building happen to have sprinklers because of regulations for apartments without dedicated fire exits, which is quite uncommon. The linseed rags caught fire and set much of their living room on fire, but the rest of the apartments were fine (except for water damage in ours). Some renovation was needed to restore the affected apartments, but it was fine.
@russianbear0027
@russianbear0027 3 года назад
Oof. That safety third is horrifying. My lab was real shitty too but holy shit at least the hoods worked - most of the time
@awaskycromslack3533
@awaskycromslack3533 3 года назад
PI = Principal Investigator, ie, the boss. And that safety third sounds immensely like the summer I spent in a flourine chemistry lab as an undergrad. See also, why I am now an accountant.
@drakkenmensch
@drakkenmensch 3 года назад
I did undergrad organic chem work too. The fume hood I was assigned worked correctly... *or so it seemed.* Plenty of people would come by to accuse my ongoing sulfur-based work of stinking up the whole floor, and I showed them my fume hood pulling up air like crazy and the people who checked in agreed that it WAS working... turns out we were ALL right. My fume hood would suck in all the vapors, then the vents would leak all it right back *into the corridors outside the lab room.*
@whoever6458
@whoever6458 3 года назад
When I was in the fire academy, we had this exercise where they had made this maze out of wood and made sure it was completely dark in there. We would have to put on our self-contained breathing apparatuses and go in there as a team of two with fire tools. We were supposed to sweep back and forth with our tools to both feel our way through the maze and find any potential victims in there. The irony is that, of my entire fire academy, there were only two of us who were female who hadn't washed out at that point (and we both graduated too) and we teamed up and went through that maze in less than half the time of any of the teams of guys who went through it and this was on our first go at it. We went through it again even because we thought it was fun. Everyone always says that the so-called male brain is more three dimensional but that certainly wasn't the case for the two of us. To be fair, my mom is a mathematician and her brain is very obviously predominantly three dimensional. This is not in any way the case for my dad, although he's also a mathematician.
@whoever6458
@whoever6458 3 года назад
You have 45 minutes of air in the SCBA if you aren't breathing really heavily. To put this in perspective, the team of us women were the only ones who made it through a relatively small maze without running out of air. We went through about half the air when everyone else ran out.
@blackvulture6818
@blackvulture6818 3 года назад
Paws really has never been the same since that homeless man jumped in front of his SEPTA
@Myrea_Rend
@Myrea_Rend 3 года назад
TFW the building gets tired of waiting on firefighters to save it, so it saves itself.
@eyezuel5307
@eyezuel5307 3 года назад
As someone on the rehabilitation side of the argument, I appreciate the nuance in your non rehabilitation argument
@johnobrian566
@johnobrian566 3 года назад
My day job is helping students write complaints at a university, and I get calls from students in similar (but mercifully not nearly as bad) situations sometimes. I gotta say the principle investigator and probably half of the staff should be fired on the spot for that bullshit.
@bassguitarbill
@bassguitarbill 3 года назад
I just started trying my hand at woodworking, had to pause the episode once I learned what happens to oily rags if you leave them lying around.
@stevieinselby
@stevieinselby 3 года назад
I really hope that in the fire department's job description, it says "Putting wet stuff on red stuff" 🤣
@mmmhorsesteaks
@mmmhorsesteaks 3 года назад
Hey that sounds just like my old lab! Except as far as I know they only used the basement for cleaning glass filters with aqua regia, afaik. Turns out that wasn't such a great idea, actually.
@cgunugc
@cgunugc 3 года назад
Thanks for informing me of the MOVE bombing. It's so weird that right wingers want to remember Waco but not MOVE. Huh, weird, I wonder why.
@CowMaster9001
@CowMaster9001 2 года назад
Same reason the Left wants to bring up 1/6 and not the several weeks of CHAZ/CHOP
@cgunugc
@cgunugc 2 года назад
@@CowMaster9001 wait, who would you investigate for chaz/chop? Because if they're less famous than the president we probably wouldn't hear about them to the degree we hear about 1/6 Did I miss some famous anarchists from that clusterfuck?
@CowMaster9001
@CowMaster9001 2 года назад
@@cgunugc The actual "foot soldiers" who occupied the Capital were arrested and charged too. The dog whistlers were publicly shamed. Perhaps the CHAZ occupation force and their ideological allies should face equal justice.
@cgunugc
@cgunugc 2 года назад
@@CowMaster9001 Okay? If you love the state so much, you can root for the state to do that. It's the federal government, it's going to do what it needs to do to ensure its legitimacy and sovereignty. I'm not a state. I can't go tell the state to do things, and there's nobody to elect who's running on that platform. What message are you trying to send - that a group of dipshits trying to not have police for a while are equal to a group of fascists trying to overthrow our country's democratic election?
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