Were Climbing Boots a Jagex conspiracy? 

The rs community really hasn't changed in a decade

I have to say, this was one of those things I always assumed was a Jagex inside job, it was just one of those common knowledge things for me. But this makes one of my favourite stories from Runescape history, and flips it on its head. So cool!

I remember smokin mils, probably before they became big. I was in their FC while we pumped up dragon darts for like two weeks. The day before we were scheduled to sell, however, I dumped all of mine because I wasn't going to be the idiot holding the bags. This caused a sell off at 3am with all the other people in the FC and the head mods of the chat were the ones that woke up holding the bags lmfao. Easiest 20M I made in my life.

Logdotzip was having an affair with my father at the time, Mod Mark disapproved of this and therefore the ban was placed on him

honestly, the idea that they converted climbing boots to rock-climbing boots just sounds like one hell of a lapse in judgement. would have probably been seen as a waste of an update and only added for the sake of ulterior motives, like Dealaga (mostly to deal w/Dragon Scimitar merchant clans) and Butterchurns (probably anchored most of the cheese/butter from culinaromancer chest).

Why not take it the other direction? Make all climbing boots have no strength bonus, release the new rock climbing boots? That causes people to lose money sure, but the value shift would do far less damage. Going from 200 gp to zero is much less than going from 200 to 75,000.

You know the climbing boots leak was serious business when 12 years later Jagex is still paying RU-vidrs to cover it up.

damn this brings back memories.. this is the exact update that made me quit, i literally had like 1-3 climbing boots so i didnt profit from it at all while i saw everyone including friends getting so filthy rich from it, got me demotivated to continue playing

This is crazy. I've heard the climbing boots mentioned in the past, but hearing Logdotzip's name mentioned here made me lose it, I had no idea he used to make videos about runescape

I remmeber seeing the price of boots as a kid and tried to buy them all from the npc not knowing it was already 75k. RIP 4m.

As always, an exceptional video. This is, I admit, far after I'd stopped playing (was always more of a classic player, but have an on-again off-again relationship with oldschool), but it is the type of thing you still see people murmur about every now and again. At this point, you've destroyed lots of misinformation, from all eras of the game. It's been really cool to see just how much your content has evolved.

Absolutely love the passive aggression in these videos :D The production quality is always top tier. Solid job again Will, almost at the big 100k now!

lol climBing

your channel is insane man, the amount of knowledge with things I had no clue about but only wondered as a young runescape noob.

Your channel is quickly becoming one of my favourite rs channels. Keep up the great content!

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These videos got me back into osrs and make my work day so much faster. Thanks for some lit content.

I mean it was disastrously dumb, I cannot imagine considering the options and picking this one. I believe it was a malicious update, there is absolutely no way anyone thought increasing the price of an item randomly was the best choice. Just remove the stats or make it +1 str, it's so obvious.

Conspiracy theory: RSwillmissit is secretly Leminio’s second channel.

Funny how Jagex never learned their lesson from the Logdotzip drama and proceeded to do similar things to Jiblix in 2011. Well I think Logdotzip got the last laugh because he broke away from his old Runescape identity association with Jagex and rebranded to a successful Minecraft RU-vidr now.

A friend told me that his friend dad daughter cousin knew about this update before launch.

I made a shitton of money from these because I was trying to get into pking at the time... best stroke of luck after finding out Im ass at pking

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logdotzip becoming a youtuber with over 4 million subs was the coolest part of the video... very well put together and informative video

LogDotZip!??! I know that channel! he basicly makes clickbait-ey Minecraft titles now!

What a thrilling story, what a splendid presentation, what an absolute king of making RS videos (that I might have not known I needed)

the way you are able to commentate on things is really something. editing makes you feel like you're really watching a movie.

"Heck some people were so illiterate that they confused Mod Mark, a lead designer, and Mod MMG, the Ceo and started claiming that Mark Gerhard was the one who leaked the info." Lmao, I can tell you half of these OSRS are illterate, and the other half are too stupid to realize they are illterate almost 10 years later.

it should be nice if you would figure out why mod reach got kicked out of the jagex team as the rumor says he was planning on implementing huge bugs into the game but i don't think anyone ever figured out the real reason or what actually happened

The largest case of item inflation? What about Cr1tikal's monkey nuts?

i gotta say, your channel is miles above and beyond any other RS channel (to be fair any channel) the amount of time and effort you throw into these videos are insane and it truly shows. great job man, and i’m happy i got to see you grow. keep the awesome videos coming

These boots are the bitcoin of osrs

I still recall this event quite clearly (and also recall how back then I wished I had a time-machine so that I could warn my younger self about these boots... because clearly I had missed out on a great opportunity). The old climbing boots weren't just used for PK'ing, but were also seen as a 'poor mans dragon boots', as they gave a very similar amount of strength boost. I still remember how I used them during Corporeal Beast masses. Back then... GP was still very valuable and not many had very large cash-stacks, so to suddenly see these items be artificially increased in price was... just flabbergasting. It just didn't 'feel' right, and Jagex claims regarding the fact that nobody really got rich off of this just felt... 'off'. And then you indeed had the whole 'muted LogDotZip' thing happening which made everything feel so much shadier. Especially these days we know that Jagex doesn't always have the correct information, which we 'think' they'd have. (i.e. supposed fake item recoveries for insane amounts of water battlestaffs/other valuable items, or people abusing bugs with the Ambassador) It all just leads me to not trust Jagex's word.

Not hard to believe someone spending 12gp 91,000 times thinking they'd made 91,000× 200+gp but rather log in to realise that it had gone up 75k. Just an unintentional flip.

something we all have tro realize is that most of us were kids at the time of these updates. no one really cared about the facts of the matter, probably neither knew how to get those facts. i just remember hearing about it and taking it as the truth. i didnt even try to find out if it was true or not, i was like 11, i didnt care lol. but i also didnt participate in riots, i just heard about it and moved on at the time.

doubling kidneys trust trade

odd to see mark hulmes casually mentioned as a runescape mod lol

But was it really a game integrity issue? I don’t think so.

wait was mark hulmes at jagex once, lol I never knew that

Climbing has a silent "b". You don't pronounce it.

A huge part of Runescape history is wondering if you actually remember these events

i was literally binging your videos, and just saw this posted, cool!

Remember the Jiblix videos? A lot of those bots were very likely indirectly funded by insiders at Jagex tipping off the mega billionaires, gambling clans, etc. at the time. Regardless of whether Climbing Boots was one of those updates, it was obvious to us that inside tippers had been in the community for a long time. It wasn't just this one time or a select few people. I wouldn't be surprised if it was still happening, especially with Old School.

Before I watch this: Jagex obviously would have talked among themselves with the price increase. I’m sure some employees capitalized on this with their personal accounts buying tons of climbing boots. Having the inside knowledge would be crazy! Great video btw!

I remember this update when it happened and it was like... WTF? oh boy here we go again another dumb Jagex update (bad updates happened all the time around this point). I looked in my bank and had like ~50 of them. I was like ooo sweet free mills. Still thought it was dumb, but also felt like, at least I didn't miss out.

To add some context on my comment in the video (very well done by the way) my friend that told me was an irl friend at school (this was early highschool). I don't know (or remember) how he knew about the update but when he called me on Skype it was like the most urgent thing in the world that I buy as many boots as I can. To which I gave up after like an hour or so because the shop was always empty. I'll talk with him later to see if he remembers or I'm just going through a false memory of the whole situation. Edit: I misremembered the event

Man I love these videos, I don’t play anymore but this is probably my favorite rs content channel.

I would never go out of my way to protect Jagex. I am sure sneaky things have gone on behind closed doors and still will. However if a JMod really wanted to help out a friend wouldn't they just give them some free items worth a lot of GP?

Leave it to jagex to care about such a random small issue and not focus on real issues. Had they just left it alone, they'd have zero issues with it. But if they insist on changing things, they should've just made that show instanced for each player and boom, problem solved. That or just make the quantity so high that it would be pointless to try to merch them.

Another great documentary

My friend told me that his friend told him that Mod Mark told him that this leak was an inside job.

Man, the community was so painfully innocent at the time, and the internet being so underdeveloped and easy to manipulate didn't help. I remember "Pics or it didn't happen" being a thing back in the day.

Sail is next skill huh lol sorry had to

Seeing all these clips from 2008-2010 really hit me in the nostalgia

Anyone here after elder maul?

I think that the biggest mistake Jagex did here was mute Logz because by silencing him it makes the rumour of a cover up seem more real than it actually was. It seems a bit of an overreaction to things said outside of the game (as long as he wasn't being directly abusive to people in game or harassing mods off-line).

Smokin Mils for life ~ Foxeh

Fun Random info. And something I used when I got back into osrs. Spinning flax to bowstring is an AMAZING way for new players to to take any small amount of money and turn it into a fortune if they put the time in. You can buy flax for 1-3gp and sell bowstrings for 100gp instantly most the time. Gp per hour is horrible. But return on investment is insane. My story starting osrs is As soon as I hit level 15 crafting I spent all my money on flax, spun them out and repeated until I was at a good enough crafting level to create jade or topaz amulets. Used the money to get runes to get get my magic up to enchant them. Made for a fantastic start to a character. Especially when I went to pvp worlds a bit later for free loot lol. Combat level was like 28 or something, i think I only had like 14-15 hp at the time so I was an easy kill. Until I got my runes out at like 62 magic i just started blasting. Good times.

It's stuff like this that I start kicking myself for not buying thousands of climbing boots. As if I could have predicted this happening lol

Logdotzip... was not expecting to Har that name. His channel has definitely taken a turn in recent years

whether or not there was corruption, jagex 100% handled this very, very poorly

My god, this was 12 years ago. Even though I enjoy current Runescape, most of my most vivid memories are from 10+ years ago.

Between the screenshot of the price manipulation through rares and the joke about not seeing this in politics.. bravo willmissit!

Sailing is the next skill, saw someone in a boat out in the ocean. *proceeds to lie about dragons*

I just used climbing boots for the Edgar’s Ruse quest yesterday. Crazy

TIL Logdotzip is actually the guy from back in the RS days lmao

These documentaries are so good. Will, you should start a channel where you bust politicians or corporations!

Almost spit out my coffee at 03:09. S-tier quality as always!

Couldnt they have kept both items? Slightly increasing the value of the originals OR reducing the stat upgrades slightly and added a use feature to upgrade them to rock climbing boots with an item of similar value to the rock climbing boot value?

Damn smoking mils, haven't heard that name in a long time

You flipped (no pun intended) my opinion on this matter, thanks for the in-depth information

Pretty disgusting how they ban people for putting opinions out there.

I 100% benefited. I had a maxed 1 defense pure back then and I had thousands of pk gear sets/loadouts. That included literally 5000 or so monks robes, black d hide chaps, mith gloves, etc….oh, and climbing boots ofc. I made a lot of money. Great memories.

The update for pures lol

when he first said 'logdotzip' i was like THE MINECRAFT RU-vidR?? THAT I WATCHED AS A KID?? and then i paused to scroll aaaaalll the way through a decade worth of videos, didn't see any runescape, thought 'huh. must be a coincidence' and then 19:13 hit me like a truck

Wait, logdotzip used to play Runescape? Damn

Hi as someone who was in the Minecraft community the fucking reveal that logdotzip from RuneScape became logdotzip from Minecraft fucking blew my mind. I had no idea. I only discovered this channel today

Regardless if this was a hoax its a shit fix for the problem. The idea to have the ge price tied to a shop price is retarted. Option 4 should of been rework the ge price tieing to the shop like how it is now. Essentially making it irrelevant. Or option 5. Dont touch it if you dont have a good solution. Explain to the players why its a complex issue and explain why they wont do anything. After watching all of these vids about this. Jadexs fuck ups have all been due to incompency. Maybe they shouldnt fuck up what isnt broken.

those good days, i was merching climbing boots.... i over 40k boots. i stopped playing after the trade restriction. logged in years later... sold everything and made a osrs account

BRO lol. I watched the occasional logdotzip video when I was playing minecraft a few years back. That’s so weird to me. His channel is a borderline kids channel nowadays

I remember seeing all the stuff about climbing boots when it was going down. The memories lol

Im early as hell.

I think a smaller nerf of +2 str to +1 str could have made sense. Rune boots would be better and climbing boots still have a place.

....Im confused why would they be valued more was there a difference in stats to go along with the change in name and appearance? Cause if all that changed was the name and the look of them you'd be so dumb to buy them for these crazy amounts

Honestly it’s insane that logdotzip was involved in here for me, as Minecraft was my first hyperfixation I had, and now the past of my past has come to see me once more.

One thing to add is that the ge price had a suspicious hike just before the update so I think the minor leak theory is good

Looking how Jagex reacts to problems in players involving players makes pretty obvious their political side.

I also remember joining Mod Marks fc and spamming: selling snowballs 75k ea. got me banned for 2 hours :cry:

They should have just nerfed them, nerfs are hated but it would have been such a simple fix. The PKers should have understood it was in their own interest, because an entire equipment slot was so devalued due to these boots.

nice attitude... jagex lies100% & ppl couldnt possibly photoshop never ever ever ever never ever r.i.p

Jagex sure knew how to ruin a good game. 04-07 where THE only good years for the game. anything after that was RS lite.

Um what? players collect tons of pointless items. I could esily see a player stock piling those boots by buying in bulk from in game trades.

Im so jealous of people that can make a ton of money on OSRS i cant get my bank more than 200m cause i cant do any high effort boss's :/

I remember there was a pmod's clan chat you could join and say the name logdotzip and he would mute you on the spot. Hilariously stupid lmao

They’re statement wasn’t wrong, they said “a tiny amount of players have a stack over 1,000”

and they did this with zulrah scroll teleports

"... While it was certainly passionate, it was no more credible than a video saying sailing was the next skill." Well that didnt age well lmao

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Jagex itself sells RS gold on the market, they literally spawn 15 trillion gp and sold it for bonuses.