The 7900GRE is artificially limited. The card is allowed to pull only 260W at stock, when the nearly identical 7900XT is 320W TBP and still demanding more. VRAM is also limited to 18Gbps, despite the fact the memory chip itself is rated for 20Gbps. It seems as though the AIBs are also not allowed to alter anything spec wise besides power limit.
You should also note that 7900xt has 1 more chiplet(?) while having similar total cores as GRE, so there may be diminishing returns of how dence should chiplets be packed and don't forget about temps ~23% power difference feels to be a big limiting factor, but looking at temperatures, higher chiplet density could cause overheating which is why AMD limited their reference model to 260watts
He didn't even need to dig he said exactly what he thought the problem was outright at the beginning of the video and then he did the video to prove that what he said was true. It's cool to see but it was a waste of his time.
Not just that, but he is the only channel that did it properly to begin with. Comparing an AIB OC 7900 GRE to a reference 7800 XT, like other channels did, and coming up with +15% +20% improvements is misleading and scammy as hell. If anything, it's the other channels that should make clarification videos explaining their garbage, unfair data. Like for like comparisons should be a standard, period.
10:19 this chart tho, nitro cards are generally $100 more than stock. With that i rather get the base 4070Ti super, or asus dual, inno3d version. Coolers should not cost $100 more no matter how great.
@@happybuggy1582 "i rather get the base 4070Ti super, or asus dual, inno3d version." Are you sure about that? Cheapest of each. -7900gre ASRock Chall oc: £533.98 -7900 GRE XFX MERC: £538 -7900 GRE Sapphire PURE: £539.99 RTX4070ti super Zotac gaming Trinity: £769.99 ...you'd pay 43.3% more for the cheapest 4070Ti super they can stick a 16 pin on?
I noticed the GRE in your tests being slightly worse than in what some others found, and didn't find it to be a problem -- you were explicit about testing the reference models. This update is thus an excellent addendum to an already good review. It would be interesting to see how much the 7900 XT benefits from an AIB treatment as well, but you obviously can't test everything.
The problem with those other reviews is they ARE using those OC AIB cards but aren't mentioning that they aren't even close to MSRP. Nitro+ cards usually cost 10% more while not being 10% faster, making them a worse value. I find it disingenuous for those other reviewers to claim $550 when they're using the Nitro+ cards that sapphire sent out.
I expect that the bulk of differences in review results can be attributed to game selection. GN had better overall results for the GRE, but their game selection for testing is wildly different to HUB. So how do consumers proceed? Average the averages in the reviews! Personally, I put more stock in the game types than the averages - I don't play competitive titles, I play single player RP style games. So I look for performance in that category. Good on you Steve for this re-re-review. Your integrity and commitment to fair results is commendable!
perfect example of why it's good to look at as many reviews as you can. if everyones just benchmarking the same games in every review then you don't get the whole picture of performance.
I guess, the game selection, but if you look at the Digital Foundry video, in Plague Tale Requiem 1440p Ultra, the GRE is 9% faster than the 4070 Super while in the HUB video the 4070S is faster. In Cyberpunk in DF's video the GRE is faster than 4070S, while in HUB's video they're basically on par. So it's always crucial to watch many reviews if you're planning to buy a GPU. Even when HUB tested the Nitro+ version, their results are still different than GN or DF, and the conclusion is different too...
Or chose the review that has a game selection closer to what you like. As long the methodology is good , you can swap reviewer. Gamer Nexus and HUB are always a safe bet , though i prefer HUB because they agregate 1080p , 1440p and 4k data
I find the GRE to be a very strange product with how they've nerfed the memory to hold back those 80 RDNA 3 compute units. It's like it behaves more like an overclocked 7800XT with 60 CU's than and 80 CU card a lot of the time.
Agreed. It's an odd choice to nerf it like that. The GRE should be on the heels of the 4070 Ti Super. I do wonder how much influence the 18Gbps memory has when you consider the 64MB of infintiy cache, which is identical to the 7800 XT. I think they should've at least included another 20MB or so of cache if they wanted to keep the memory down at 18Gbps. Wouldn't make up for it entirely, but it'd make more sense.
@@shaun1243 but you can't just `include another 20MB` of cache without retaping and refreshing N31 chip or at least MCD part of it (totally not cost efficient doing if for one card, this stuff usually doesn't change through generation) you have 16MiB cache per MCD - so 7900GRE 4 active MCD (256bit) - 4x 16MiB = 64MiB 7900XT 5 active MCD (320 bit) - 5x 16MiB = 80MiB 7900XTX 6 active MCD (384 bit) 6x 16MiB = 96MiB
This way it's much cheaper to manufacture. Fewer MCDs, smaller packaging, less (and likely much cheaper due to Hynix!) vram... And some of these main dies (estimates vary around 40-90%) they'd otherwise need to throw away
@@timiko4 Thanks for the breakdown. I get it, they are trying to offer a level of performance for a price. Just the enthusiast in me finds it a bit odd. Whats also odd is how they've limited overclocking the memory. They've cornered those 80 CU's with extreme prejudice lol.
The presentation, editing and voice-over for the graphs is perfect. It was easy to understand the differences you highlighted without pausing. I'm pointing this out because I sometimes struggle to follow other reviews with the same density of data.
if they allow the power limits to go upto 300-320W this could allow for better clocks probably around the 2.3-2.5GHz and allow memory to run at 20Gbps this all should massively improve performance. At least 10% more performance than current benchmarks, if not 15%+
the increased power target explains why they decided to give the pulse model three fans for a chip with a nominal tdp slightly lower than the 78xt's two-fan pulse card. this is actually really interesting! thank you as always for the Good Bar Graph Talkies!
@@pinakmiku4999 I paid an extra £150 for a MSI Suprim X 4080 Super , and it's worth it in lower fan speeds and lower noise , as well as being a nice bit of design. The nearest nVidia equivalent to Nitro+ IMO.... just wish Sapphire and Powercolor would start making Geforce models ;)
In the UK the sapphire pure and xfx merc versions are like £538. So about the same as the very lowest end 4070 and some higher end 4060Ti! They're gonna sell out everywhere.
Steve I’m so sorry to see you had this issue with your review methodology. However for a win here, I love how you have explained the % going from Reference to Reference, Nitro+ to to Nitro+, and Reference to Nitro+. That’s actually super informative and goes a step further than even TechJesus himself. So this is an absolute killer of a “set the record straight” update video. I love it. This is the kind of thing that makes me refer friends and family contemplating builds or upgrades to your channel. Keep on keeping on, King Steve.
It's not "mistakes made" if two products with the same label are substantially different. But certainly this is a product that has potential to be of interest based on the die, even if there are multiple versions with great variation. You could argue that the VRM differences on the 4070 Super are also exactly the same "problem" in that you have some that can clock to near Ti spec, and others that are artificicially restricted with actually worse VRM's than the stock 4070. If the AIB overclock versions of the GRE are close to the 7900XT version, then they're almost a totally different product, and that needs addressing. Thanks for coming back and doing this. I'm sure you REALLY wanted to come back and do this all over again :) Content is king.
It's for the Chinese market and with all the restrictions between the US and china this is what this GPU is for. It's not AMD issue it's a global issue :)
@@AndyViant right but the GRE was, at the time, for Chinese market only. My guess is AMD trying to compete in price they're releasing it worldwide. It's the GRE not the XT GRE so still named differently.
I think the bigger picture comes down to this: theere is no 'reference' model for the global launch, it is a parner-only launch, the end-user will only be able to buy AIB cards, so to represent what the end-user will experience, and be able to actually purchase, an AIB model must be used.
AMD has pulled another stunt in terms of cards and pricings. Where i live the difference between a RX7800 XT and a RX7900 GRE is around 60 euros while the difference between the RX7900 GRE and the RX7900 XT is around 180 euros. At those price points the GRE seems a no brainer...While the start of the year had the 7800XT dropping it's price it seems it's been kept artificially up as it went up around 20 euros and kept steady for more than 2 months now
I would like to know how this overclocks, undervolting and abusing the OEM tolerances. i saw a techpowerup article that showed up a 11.7% upgrade margin over the reference card on 3dmark. If we can get a little bit more free performance(5% to 10%) then this new 7900 GRE will be an amazing card. Otherwise just buy a 7800xt
Just got mine today. The Memory clock OC is limited to on 2316Mhz much lower than 7800XT. And max gpu clock that I can go is about 2800mhz. I got the Nitro + model so I think that's as far as this gpu can go. I only use Adrenalin to OC and UV tho, not willing to test with MSI afterburner.
@@tienatnguyen5882they limit the oc to 2800 core and 2316 memory, the card runs into the frequency limit before the voltage limit. It could boost higher if it weren’t locked down
After tinkering with mine 7900gre reference model I think for me overclocking it don't make any sense . Undervolted -70mV and -10% power limit does 2250-2450mhz in games + memory at 2316mhz (maximum) in that combination about 21500pkt in 3dmark fire strike at 225w - max overclock on mine does 2500-2600mhz at 280W and only 9% score increase in 3dmark . 55w for extra 9% performance is not worth for me . Is seems this card is so memory bottlenecked that core overclocking barely does anything . If they unlock more memory overclocking maybe then OC will be worthy
Thanks for the 2nd look! BTW, Daniels video this morning on the 7900 GRE Hellhound were interesting. I think the 7900 GRE is the card I've been looking for for my VR rig.
What can I say, first of all thanks for listening the community by doing additional tests, great job Hardware Unboxed!! 8-15% additional performance costing 10% more than the 7800xt, I see it as a fairly honest thing to be honest, then considering the possibility of being able to "somehow" unlock the limits imposed by AMD, succeeding in this could lead to bring home a nice quality/price gem. As a custom solution the Powercolor Hellhound seems the best for the price, noise, overclocking and temperatures.
Actually the 7800XT is now worse value, Digital Foundry got it right. If the GRE is 8 10% faster and it s just 10% more expensive, then it s quite fine since the higher up.the stack you go, the more premium you expect to pay against a lesser model. So 7800XT should be 15% cheaper to be a great deal tbh. Same goes for the 4070 and 4070 super, they should come down, especially the vanilla 4070!
My sapphire nitro 7900xt was ridiculous out of the box, when you add your own overclock on top it insane. I was surprised when I got it as I believe it is the only 7900xt to use ×3 8 pin power.
7900xtx nitro is also worth it (I almost only by Ref cards the last 20 years for a reason). It is about as quick as a 4090 (they clock to 3ghz+) without the PCie connector breaking and 12V power crap. And half the price lol
Um. Are you new to this? Up until very recently, the reference cards have always been "terrible". They had loud blower coolers and ran hotter. Now don't get me wrong, buying the most high end board partner card at way more money than the reference was and still is silly. But so was buying a reference card with an awful cooler instead of a partner card with a better and quieter cooler with a small OC on it. Informed consumers in the DIY gaming market weren't buying OC cards. They were buying cards that ran cooler and didn't sound like a jet engine when playing games. Had zero rpm modes and so on.
Mad respect for correcting the oversight! It's more good data for potential buyers and we'll take it. Either way, you guys are helping us with adding this data and that is praise worthy. Keep doing your thing HUB.
Not an oversight really, oced version that cost more shouldn't be highlighted as main performance because people paying msrp aren't going to be getting oc cards that cost $50 more
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2brexactly. My strix 3080 12gb is faster than stock version as well. That’s how things work. If the mfg cranks the frequency and power budget, card go faster. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Weird complaints from so many commenters.
Dang, I liked seeing the top end from previous lines still being included so we have a reference for those of us still on AMD 6xxx and Nvidia 3xxx series. Didn't expect the whole line up, but it was nice to see the 6950 and 3080 ti's included for at least a reference to older cards.
I was waiting for this Video. First, I watched your video on the 7900GRE test, and the conclusion was to avoid this card. After that, I watched DF and Nexus videos, and the conclusion was positive.
I would like to see a Gigabyte Gaming OC 7800xt VS 7900GRE video. The Gaming OC models are usually right at MSRP with an occasional $10 sale now and then. At least for the 7800xt model in the past month. Also if AMD does indeed fix overclocking on the GRE models I would like to see another heads up between the Gigabyte Gaming OC 7800xt overclocked VS 7900GRE overclocked as I believe these models are popular due to their pricing at MSRP and more consumers would want to see what these MSRP cards are capable of. Since the Sapphire Nitro versions are usually above MSRP it would be safe to assume they are purchased less by consumers than the Gaming OC’s so I believe it would reach a broader audience is when testing the overclocked potential of these two cards to use MSRP versions of the cards. Thank you for your time and for the videos!
People saying.. "Id rather buy a 4070 Ti super", really? -7900gre ASRock Chall oc: £533.98 -7900 GRE XFX MERC: £538 -7900 GRE Sapphire PURE: £539.99 RTX4070ti super Zotac gaming Trinity: £769.99 You'd pay 43.3% more? This is priced against the 12GB rtx4070 (with its tiny die and narrow memory bus that makes it cheap to produce) which was $600.
I dunno about you, but the 7900GRE/4070 Super are way better options than the 4070 and 7800XT. Both of which has superior rasterisation performance for a bit more cash and depending on your use case, they'll do just fine.
This could actually be an exciting card for overclocking of they remove memory oc limits and ideally increase power limit offset further. The gains could be substantial, unlike most cards on the market these days.
The GPU shader clock is also limited to 2800 They need to do more than just increase the VRAM limits. You won't need an increased power budget with a max clock that low.
For me overclocking gains are minimal 400mhz more on core and only 9% but 100mhz on memory and 5% increase (talking about 3dmark time spy scores ) ... But undervolting is really good - at 225w and -70mV it keeps clocks about stock level and combine that with memory at 2316mhz to get 5-7% better performance than stock at just 225w - probably most energy efficient rdna3 card .
Interesting, I recently upgraded one of my rigs to 7800 xt and was bummed out when the 7900 gre was released. I was like really? I could have waited I couple months, but I managed to get my 7800 xt for 450ish USD, so I think I got a decent deal. Mostly since the cards don't seem as different as I thought at first glance.
I did the same bro, it's still a great deal and a great card. I bet ppl are feeling bad getting a 4070 when the Super came out, it's typical but our cards are still valuable and perform really good.
Honestly, the waiting game is always a losing one. There will always be more hardware coming out that outdoes whatever you can buy now. A good deal at a good time is something you should be content with and proud of. I got my 4090 for 500 less than I usually see them go for because PNY models aren't very popular here. I am on a clock too, but I'm glad I got that good deal halfway through last year.
Unless the GRE OCs much better than what is currently possible - which might actually be the case if AMD indeed unlocks the sliders as they told HUB they will - you didn't miss on anything. It's basically a 10% faster card for 10% more money (7800XT also OCs very well).
I actually didn’t knew about the lengths you guys go to test base specs I really appreciate that, often you see only people comparing wildly different levels of board partners, you guys do a great job congrats
Man, you're awesome. The way you deal with ”mistakes” is really exemplary. It's not even a mistake, it's just an oversight, and you still put in the work to update the data and quickly publish it. Well done.
Thanks for listening to your viewers. Your reasons for originally only testing the stock card make sense, but the OC models are what most people are going to be using, so it makes more sense to test and compare those. It's also relevant to note that nearly all of the 7800 XT OC models are more expensive than the MSRP, but there are several OC models of the 7900 GRE (by Gigabyte and XFX) that are at the $550 MSRP. So, that changes the math in your original cost/benefit analysis quite a bit. With the increased performance of these OC models, as well as future improvements with OCing ability once AMD removes the OC limitation "bug", the 7900 GRE actually makes as much sense as the 7800 XT right now, especially for someone upgrading from a previous generation card. Personally, I currently have a 6800XT. I haven't been able to justify upgrading to the 7800XT with the minimal (if any) improvements in power. But I also haven't been able to justify the huge cost of the 7900 XT. But the 7900 GRE hits that sweet spot of just enough improvement for little enough cost to enable me to justify it, especially with one of the OC models, which is on its way to me right now. It's going to be interesting to see what happens when AMD removes the OC limitation "bug". It would probably make sense to do yet another review update after the next Adrenaline update.
This was an unusually large difference between reference and partner version. The "reference" model in this case is really only a China spec model. Good on you for retesting, it's much more practical info in this case. When the value proposition is so close between these cards a few percent difference is actually worth considering.
Well for price to performance its not to shabby but all gpus will have different results due to bins. They really should have called it a 7850xt or gre its just not 7900 class...
actualy, the die itself is still a navi31 die and not a navi32 die like on the 7800xt, but just a little bit faster memory would have helped that card a lot to close the gap between the 7800 and 7900xt
Do you think it would be a good idea to start categorizing or collating by the underlying engine that a game is using? It strikes me this is going to become quite important as Unreal Engine 5 games start becoming increasingly more common.
Your review isn't wrong at all you were as fair as possible and the reference card is a product that people could buy and get noticeably worse performance at least on some games so its important buyers know this.
looks like a great card. I saw Daniel Owens review where he it put up against the 4070 and he was reporting a 10-20% range of improvement over the 4070 and even leading much of the time with ray tracing. [ He mainly focused on realistic use case settings for those cards. Light ray tracing loads that would get you playable framerates of 60 or more. The 4070 took a big lead with something like overdrive mode in cyberpunk , but it was still 30 fps vs 20 so kind of irrelevant as you probably would not use those settings with this class of card . Also the card he used came with two bios settings and out of the box it used the overclocked one so he left it on that] I am glad I got my 6900xt last year when the prices were dropping fast. It's good too see it is still comparable to the cards I would have been looking at this gen and I don't feel robbed. I payed about £100 more than current prices but have had this level of performance for a year already so it was probably worth it as I think the 2070 super I had would be struggling on these more recent titles
Watching this and then the DF review right after definitely raised some eyebrows, I know your testing methodologies are quite different but the result was uncommonly different, so I'm not surprised to see this video come out. Great work as always! I do believe in HUB testing over any others at the end of the day.
I'm glad you guys did an updated review as the overall review seemed to be an outlier compared to other similar review outlets. I saw/read a few reviews prior to HUBs and the overall gist that I got was the card is somewhat perfect for folks who want cheap lower end 1440p 4k gaming with reasonable expectations. The games also matter as some 1440p and 4k resolution settings mean the games will attempt to use all the vram and larger textures. This is where the nvidia line that isn't a 4090 appear to stumble much like the 970 with it's 3.5Gb debacle back in the day.
what would be good prices for amd lineup: 7600 needs to be 219 7600 xt needs to be 279 7700 xt needs to be 349 7800 xt needs to be 429 7900 gre needs to be 499 7900 xt needs to be 599 7900 xtx needs to be 749
Idk, where I live I don't even see any reference AMD models of GRE for sale in our shops (weren't they made exclusively for China market?), but I see plenty of Sapphires, XFX and Powercolor GRE cards made for the Western market release. So as a consumer I kinda prefer when people review the actual products available, not something I can't even buy without jumping through hoops. So in this sense it is a correction in terms of providing better relevancy and more helpful data to consumers.
@@kosmosycheThe reference 7900 GRE is available for sale here in Europe. A bunch of local retailers have them in, along with the partner cards. So no, it's definitely not China-exclusive and is available for purchase right now. Seems like AMD are the ones confusing people, not Steve.
I still chose the 4070 ti over the 7900 xt. yeah, 7900xt gets 10-20 more fps, but also crashes more in titles. (that still exists, deff in World of warcraft, can't even start in dx12) however, with ray tracing on, it absolutely dismantles the 7900xt. The 4070 ti is all around more balanced. And so far I've only seen like 2 games where the 12gb is a problem. But there are also games where the built in ray tracing is a problem for the 7900xt. So both have hard limitations that will present themselves. however, I know on the 4070 ti I can literally turn off one thing, or lower 1 thing and bam ram issue fixed. But on the 7900xt, you can't lower built in RT. You're fuc'd.
certainly giving 4 data points was the way, well everything depends on the price, if someone can get GRE partner model for MSRP, then it's better deal than 7800XT, if it goes to like $600 then 7800XT is the way, well as always price price price lack of enthusiasm is well deserved and understandable, especially since it's way too late on global market once again, good job Steve!
Well, then it really comes down to price. If you can get 7900 GRE a bit more expensive than 7800 XT it is a no-brainer. Which is my situation now. I would assume that 7800 XT needs to drop the price to make sense.
While currently OOS at amazon and newegg, $579.99 is the listed price for the Nitro+ version. That really starts to encroach on the $700 7900XT. I bought a PowerColor HellHound XTX on sale for $900 and do not envision a need to upgrade anytime soon. Especially as I upgraded from an EVGA 1080Ti FTW3. RT? don't care. GN and others all had different performance numbers from you and each other. It was nice to see a re-test and AMD just released a new driver 24.2.1. If you're one of the lucky few, MicroCenter has (had?) the reference 6950XT for $550. Too bad AMD can't/won't keep making the 6950XT and sell it for $550-600. I would guess the 80 CU GRE would have a few production advantages over the 7800XT and both the 7900XT/XTX versions would be better still. And for $$$$$$$$ is no object, the 4090.
Memory bandwidth is killing this card at stock. It’s almost a regular 7900 in terms of core count, but the slow memory gives it less bandwidth than a 7800XT and really drags it down in any game that is bandwidth-hungry. If it can hit the 19.5GB/s of the 7800XT it should pull ahead a decent amount.
So from this we can conclude that when sapphire made their nitro+ version of the 7900 GRE, they must have made some other change that helped make it a better "improvement" over the base card than when they did the same for the 7800 XT version
THIS is a proper review of the 7900GRE, this card as reference is extremely limited artifically so most people have wondered how would board partner versions perform to rx7800 similar versions. Thank you very much for this awesome, detailed review!
The problem with that is the Nitro+ is NOT MSRP. A simple search of other Nitro+ models shows they're 10% more than MSRP. That in effect makes them TWENTY percent more expensive than the 7800xt making them an even worse value than before when they aren't even close to 20% faster.
And to think that I submitted that very question about the differences between the cheap and the expensive versions of gpu's to the last Q&A and it got ignored... kinda funny imo.
AMD today admitted driver bug that limits OCing. Hopefully we can unleash more crippled potential via manual oc'ing, something that is probably worthwhile with this card. Why even use N31 if you are going to cripple the card so heavily. Needed 20Gb/s memory and 200MHz higher clocks.
if nvidia doesn't do it then they won't do it. there's no real benefit to them to lower prices, you're just replacing profit margin with volume sales which ends up being a wash. it's the same problem in the cell phone market where everyone is chasing apples prices instead of using it as a competition tool because consumers have been pushed into this idea that price equals quality and in very few niche markets that's true but that's rarely the case these days.
@@sirmonkey1985 volume would not necessarily be a bad thing here though, since the N6 process has plenty of capacity. That said, they still seem to have plenty of 6600s to sell, suggesting that the buyers in this price range aren't looking to upgrade / are upgrading to used cards. As long as there are unsold 6600s, the 7600 isn't likely to see much of a price drop, at least not until Navi 44 based products release.
The 7900GRE is exactly where it should be: half way between the 7800 adlnd the 7900XT, both in price an performances. Thechnically is closer in price to the 7800XT, which is a nice thing. It makes sense with the upgrade in performances to the 4070 super
@Hardwareunboxed WDYT about conducting a double overclocking battle between 7900GRE + 7900XT vs 4070S + 4070TiS ? Many of the newer cards seem to be artificially capped in terms of power limits so I'm wondering what gains you could get from AIB cards that provide some free air for increasing those limits.
I'm very curious about how they will overclock when that bug is fixed. It's based on Navi 31 instead of Navi 32 and if you have a huge cooler with 2x8pin connectors that thing might be able to be cranked to the moon
"If you test enough games". Yes, so please consider testing gfx cards with some (esports) sim racing titles, like Le Mans Ultimate, Assetto Corsa Competizione, iRacing, etc. The sim racing community is constantly growing and titles like Forza (Motorsport) are imho not very representative.
Interesting to see how partner models actually make a difference again. In the old days you could sometimes see a pretty big difference over default specs. I wonder how the other models compare.
This is because the 7900gre is a special case... AMD has heavily nerfed it in terms of memory speed, consumption and bus. Despite the strong constraints imposed, every increase in frequencies makes those 80 CUs better exploited, even when buying a custom card I recommend overclocking the memories to the maximum possible (stable)... even if it could perform even better if someone comes up with some firmware to unlock the latent power of the card, if this were the case things will get really interesting for the price.
I believe your normal method of testing is absolutely best. There's so many non-reference spec cards and the marginal changes will almost always apply. Definitely some degree of "it's understood" always applies.
Could you guys do a comparison with all the relative performance cards? RX 6800 RX 6800XT RX 6900XT RX 6950XT RX 7800XT RX 7900GRE RX 7900XT RTX 3080 RTX 3080 TI RTX 4070 RTX 4070 Super RTX 4070 TI RTX 4070 TI Super Those would be all the cards within the $400-$700+ bucket (mid tier).
I appreciate that you released the video showing why your numbers are different but please don't change how you do GPU reviews. Your reasoning for doing it the way you have always done it makes total sense and part of the reason I come to your channel for the information. Everyone should know a 3rd party OC GPU will outperform a base model. Unless you are going to review every 3rd party model for every video card, please don't start including just a few. It will skew the results for no good reason. Don't change unless you're actually solving a problem, and this is not a problem.
I think this makes it very interesting and complicated, because I think it is possible to buy a GRE that doesn't have the extra performance, because the extra cooler doesn't have the performance of what would be possible. So we need to watch out way more while recommending a GRE
It seems like if the GRE can hit anywhere near that 19.5Gb/s memory bandwidth that the 7800XT enjoys that card could see a substantial jump on the averages over the 7800XT.
I fully expect oc to be a decent boost to performance. The proximity to 7800xt performance was quite a surprise for me, no way this card can't do more if you can get the memory clocked a bit higher and those 33% extra cu's a bit more power
It's not too bad for the pricing. Now it's possible to see the 7800 xt fall to £450 and under also the GRE will be on or very close to the £500 mark in a few months. Even the 7900 xt is pulling under £700 nowdays. Mid-year we can see the 7900 xt around £650, hopefully.
