Were the Azores home to an ancient civilisation? - BBC REEL 

Look up Randall Carlson

@@yt.personal.identification with all the respect I have for his work, he turned into a firecracker in the past couple of years…

This guy is a charlatan

@@travellerstoryteller who? Randal Carlson or the physicist in the video?

@@morrisse0_088 the physicist!!

You must not subscribe to Rare Earth.

They should be ashamed of themselves, stealing from a smaller RU-vidr.

Check out Randal Carlsons work

There is a documentary of Discovery about Atlantis in which in one of the Azores islands is seen in the so-called "cart ruts", in another a "columbarium" is seen (a special way of burying the ashes of the dead that were burned, typical of Roman times) and Phoenician anchors also appear

@@TheMariepi3 Ok so your island was probably inhabited by the phonecians at some point and the vikings later, both who abandoned it after large volcanic eruptions or tsunamis. At least 4 times in the last few thousand years those islands have been settled then abandoned after apocalyptic eruptions and tsunamis, the survivors leaving and telling everyone on whatever mainland they landed on to avoid that place forever, then (after the plants and trees grew back and it looked nice again) ever time hundreds of years later it was "discovered" and settled by another group of people and the Portuguese are the most recent. It's on a list of possible Atlantis locations but that's probably Santorini not the Azores. But the Azores were once hit by a tsunami from La Palma partially collapsing into the ocean, that completely went over the entire islands. I just watched a video about this guy who bought a life boat from an oil rig, the life boat is fireproof, unsinkable, and can be dropped from hundreds of feet up into the ocean without injuring the occupants. I recommend having something like that if you live there, just in case. I am kind of joking, but kind of not. I wouldn't wanna just suddenly loose everything or even die in a natural disaster.

Yes. Let's see what archeology turns out. At first glance, however... I would be quite skeptical. The Azores are quite remote.

@@ems4884 Skeptical about what? The megalithic architecture is clearly not from 1400 thats for damn sure

Random Portuguese guy?

Not true, I live in the Minho and we have a ton of dolmens, the municipalities take good care of them, as well as the Bronze Age castros.

Sím, my Vavão was born in Ponta Delgada and her mother grew up there. Nobody really hears about Portugal here in the USA outside of communities like Newark NJ and Fall River MA, and you NEVER hear about these big discoveries!

That would have to come with Pronunciation as well before enunciation

It is his cadence of speech, he talks like my old university professors. You could understand them even if you were in the back of a room with 100 people.

@@adriananovais7240 he actually was a teacher at the university of the azores. Prof. Félix Rodrigues, a genius man!

@@kikoplaysgames yeah, I found his profile and already got some of his papers!

What is an advanced non-speaker of Portuguese?

Hawaii wasn't settled until 300 to 800 CE.

@@jaystrickland4151 and it’s still controversial as to who the first really were .

These people were from North Africa and are called Guanches they settled mostly in canary islands and some reached as far as Bahamas, when Colombus reached Bahamas (Guanahani) The people he first met named Lucayan were Guanches he even wrote in his memoirs that they looked the same. They went extinct one decade after contact with Europeans mostly sold as slaves. The same people reached Azores and also other islands in the carribean where they mixed up with arawak people. This is history and I belive it suppressed by the west as it would show that an African people reached the new world decades before the Spanish. I am writing a book about this called the Real history of america and it will be out in two years. This is the truth and one day we will all know it. Do your research and you can connect the dots

@@sl4074 That stock answer does not work for every post- do you understand? Shut up already.

@Andrew who reached canary island first then ?

it could have been the Tartessians as well

There are stories of sea people in ancient scripts. Nobody can tell who they were. There are some guesses, but no evidence for any of them being right.

​@@JennagosuTartesians were an Atlante colony in Spain 🖖🏻😊

Look at the beautiful carving of the steps in these structures, the rounded entrances and so on. These people were highly technologically advanced for a nearly five thousand year old culture. Amazing

Minoans i.e. the Atlanteans :)

Mine too 🙏🏻

Mine too!

Randall Carlson talks a lot about the ancient history of the Azores

0:17 pausa olha no fundo do mar um muro 1200 km/5 km

@@rebjorn79 i told him exact place where to look

For the same reason they are called "explorers" instead of "invaders".

The Europeans rock up on the America’s and ‘discover’ them, I should just rock up at the local WalMart and ‘discover’ that store and claim all the spoils as my own. Discovery is often theft.

The flooded Black Sea villages, that's a fun one to read about, also very terrifying.

I'd imagine theres a ton of ancient evidence in places like Doggerland, former land-bridges that are now submerged.

@@JamesSongCovers there have been tools and spearheads and such found on the sea bottom where doggerland is

I think even thousand of feet of water, check out Randall Carlson if you haven’t

Latest dramatic increase of see levels happened at the end of the glaciacion period ca.12,000 years ago. So any civilisation after that should be visible today.

The ancient Greeks and Phoenicians had overlapping colonies around the Mediterranean so its possible the paid the Azores a visit

Minoans were the ones spreading knowledge, culture and probably the language around our "Middle Earth", the Mediterranean.

Atlantians. See Randall Carlson

Phoenicians..maybe..

Well they traded for tin in Cornwall. And Phoenecia was the Greek name for Canaan. Which leads on to a whole other myth. "And did those feet in ancient times....." .

Or, were Vikings lost Phoenician outposts? If we are to surmise out of Afrika I and II with a Proto European adaption of Neanderthal and Denisovan attributes; a highly adaptable hominid, then perhaps we misinterpret biblical Noah as a fall of the first Phoenician empire, and the tower of Babel becomes the result of climatization isolation, and when those cultures resumed contact when the environment was again hospitable, the morphology of language had splintered humanity into clear clan groups immovable from their own understanding of purpose and creation? That there was a large megalithic culture prior to 10,000 years ago that spanned the world over is in little doubt, what is in doubt how closely those cultures communicated, and when their communications began to drift.

These people were from North Africa and are called Guanches they settled mostly in canary islands and some reached as far as Bahamas, when Colombus reached Bahamas (Guanahani) The people he first met named Lucayan were Guanches he even wrote in his memoirs that they looked the same. They went extinct one decade after contact with Europeans mostly sold as slaves. The same people reached Azores and also other islands in the carribean where they mixed up with arawak people. This is history and I belive it suppressed by the west as it would show that an African people reached the new world decades before the Spanish. I am writing a book about this called the Real history of america and it will be out in two years. This is the truth and one day we will all know it. Do your research and you can connect the dots

they aren't the first, there's another guy on yt who already made a video about this, and its really well produced.

These people were from North Africa and are called Guanches they settled mostly in canary islands and some reached as far as Bahamas, when Colombus reached Bahamas (Guanahani) The people he first met named Lucayan were Guanches he even wrote in his memoirs that they looked the same. They went extinct one decade after contact with Europeans mostly sold as slaves. The same people reached Azores and also other islands in the carribean where they mixed up with arawak people. This is history and I belive it suppressed by the west as it would show that an African people reached the new world decades before the Spanish. I am writing a book about this called the Real history of america and it will be out in two years. This is the truth and one day we will all know it. Do your research and you can connect the dots

@@sl4074 As long as you're motivated by a genuine desire to seek truth, and not hate, I wish you well on your book. Just so you know though, there was a successful genetic testing of Lucayan remains in 2018, and it found that they were closely related to indigenous tribes of Brazil. I think the similarities in appearance to Guanches was likely because they lived at similar latitudes with similar climates and solar exposure, so had similar amounts of skin pigmentation. Columbus was probably not very good at telling non-Europeans apart (he did think he had traveled to the east Indes afterall).

@Painted You just laid a large dollop of rationality on this 🤡. He won't be able to handle it.

@@sl4074 You have no evidence, only conjecture. Also why would Europeans care about this supposed group reaching North America before the Spanish? The Vikings arrived in North America 500 years earlier!

@@JohnSmith-tl8pq i know europeans only care about money not history... thats why they destroyed so much of it

Honestly, probably just other bits of rock. As I recall, "tuff" is _not_ very "tough", but instead quite easy to work.

Atlantis

​@@absalomdraconisthe anchors are nor turf!

True

Maybe you could publish these photos with the comments somewhere

My ancestors were whale hunters, PICO and FAIAL. :)

Wow. That should have felt as time travel!

Nem fazia a mínima ideia que os Açores tinham sidos abitados antes, deve ser a tal Atlântida.

@@luisantos1996 🤦‍♂️

Fiz alguns episódios com a Senhora Antonieta Costa sobre este assunto 😉

@@luisantos1996 Claro que não, só pq fica no Atlântico? Que conclusão mais infundada... kkkkkkkkk E ao que se percebe era uma civilização megalítica, os gregos descreviam Atlântida como mais evoluída que eles, então como isso era mais evoluído que as pólis gregas???

Atlântida é um mito criado pelos os antigos filósofos gregos, acho que foi o Plato. É um mito desde o início.

How do you know if the Carthagians found it unhabited or not?

Have someone traced the link between Dilmun and Azures yet?

I need more convincing. A physicist trying to convince me of archaeological prehistory without isotopic dates is definitely a red flag. And if they've got them, why in the world wasn't it talked about in this video. This smells of a conclusion looking for evidence. Instead of evidence, providing a conclusion.

Sím!

Literally. Giraffes drinking water at this very moment be like:

❤ Exactly - well written 🤗

Logical. Or a convoy of ships from Malta got stuck there?? The local people probably had legends that are now lost.

its not that ground breaking to suggest people lived on the azores before the 15th century... there's more isolated islands in the pacific inhabited at that time

It's an 8 minute piece on Félix Rodrigues of the University of the Azores's theory.

@@grammarlings6517 He’s a physicist, not an archaeologist. Yes, he’s asking some interesting questions and making some reasonable conclusions, but he’s no more qualified to properly investigate this than an archaeologist is qualified to go research physics. For example, an archaeologist would know that a piece of ceramic could be investigated as to where it was made based on its fabric (local? Import?), perhaps identify the culture (or its relatives) that made it, and also know about techniques for dating it, and that’s just a start. Did he compare any of this material besides the anchors to sites in the Canaries, Iberia, or North Africa? Does he know about the relevant publications? He may, but an archaeologist certainly would.

@@snailrancher I think that's a very reasonable criticism - but there are also some counterbalances. He might be very good at dating given that he is a physicist - I don't know. He also is in the agriculture department?? so perhaps he does have an idea of archaeology. But I agree that his findings are purely anecdotal so far - it all should be thoroughly peer reviewed. As for him not being an archaelogist... there is actually a hidden benefit here - sometimes fields get caught in established 'facts'. I wonder about these stone anchors because sure the big ships use metal anchors, but what about the smaller boats for landing. The whole thing might be total nonsense. I'd look forward to the findings.

Most archeologists would deny these theories as hogwash - would they not?

@@grammarlings6517 " he might be very good at dating" Yes, he should be very aware of isotopic dating. Yet we have none in this whole video.

What does caruana mean?

@@prsimoibn2710 As far as I know is derived from the arabic word for "caravan" meaning a camel caravan. The surname seems to exist in Spain too due to Moorish presence in the country. It is rather common in Malta.

@@jessiecaruana9268 I thought you're Maltese, but thanks for the explanation , in Malta there's an even greater Arabic influence on the language and family names..👌

They are the same width, so they are related. By now we can say with a great degree of certainty the Minoan Civilization was the One who spread the knowledge and culture across the Mediterranean and, as it seems, beyond.

@@prsimoibn2710Do you mean "caravana" or "carruagem" , both could mean a car(carriage) pushed by bulls or horses. I do not know "caruana" word, Portuguese here.

Randall Carlson is a dumbass. Greeks called the Ocean the River Okeanus. So the sea in wich Atlantis lies can not be the Ocean.

We are raised ti never question academia, and academia control what is taught in school. That's how these taboos are created. A kid can't question what he learns in school a young man or woman can't question what they learn in college. Not 'really'. We just calcify our data thinking it's actual facts.

It took some time to develop the art of writing & longer for the art to spread to more than very few academics.

its called....learning.

Man be smoking weed all day

Maby a populace moved up to the mountains and made caves when the lowlands became uninhabitable? What about hydrostatic pressure and land bridges? Talk about voyages, not all are by sea. Makes you wonder about My.Olympus and the older pantheons, Mediterranean burial practices and anthropology.

Rodrigues*

I think you're confused about the location. Madeira is to the south near the African coast. Azores is located thousands of miles away from everything, between the Iberian peninsula and the Americas.

Only 960km of distance. Both places could have been once part of the same island nation.@@ivosilva8747

😊 Next time, you should definitely visit the Azores. They are wonderful and yes, kind of magic. Everything in this documentary makes so much sense - thanks!! I was there twice this year, managed to visit 4 of 9 islands and, I'll be back...probably many times...so, so much to be discovered in these islands and yes, all the fruit and vegetables - absolutely perfect 💓!!

Atlantis, if it existed, wasn't in the Ocean. It would have been in the Atlantio Sea. Wherever that was. But definitely not in the Ocean as greeks used Okeanus River to refer to the open ocean wich they knew circled the planet.

@@tiagogomes3807 Incorrect. Do not make up things and read Plato.

Well, which is it? South Africa or Angola?

​@@RuiPedroRochaHe's quantic, he was born in two places at the same time.

@@HF06 😅

In Cappadocia, Turkey holes like that were used for pigeons which fertilised the land. But since they used typological methods they probably know better what they were used for.

Great observation!

That's where the name comes from. But it's known they are much older and had other purpose.

There was not

​@@tiagopaim3060the history exists. Told by Damião de Góis, the official historian of the portuguese crown. He tells the King sent an "expert" to the island to study the statue. It was decided to transport the statue to the mainland, it broke in pieces before being put in a ship sailing to Lisbon and was presented to the King. What happened afterwards no one knows. Damião de Góis was an extremely reputed man. There is no reason to doubt what he wrote. He built the crown archives!! Which sadly burned during the 1755 earthquake.

It's unfortunate that Rome so thoroughly destroyed the Phoenicians, because it seems like they were an incredibly advanced maritime culture for the time. They could've had expeditions way farther than our current estimates, and we have no real way of knowing anymore.

@@monty58 : The Phoenicisns proper had been done in before Rome got to them, as they were actually from the Fertile Crescent. Carthage was really more of a child civilization by that point.

@@absalomdraconis the second punic war is why they became a child empire. They had an army running around Rome's door step sacking villages. The romans forbidding their possession of a navy after they won the 2nd was probably what killed their off shore territories, if I were to hazard a guess.

That's what I thought too

Also in Italy!

Atlantis colonies?

Not really. There's no dolmenism in Canary Islands.

The Viking presence has pretty much been confirmed. They even have shown that the wild mice on the islands have DNA most like Scandinavian mice!

Wich map?!... I would like to see a viking map 😂😂

Phoenicians did not build dolmens. The columbaria might be (or not) but the dolmens are of West European (Vasconic) or NW African (Berber) origin.

@@LuisAldamiz Korea have an extraordinary amount of dolmens . Its too hard to say where they originate from .

@@bottytoohotty - The closest links are in Caucasus, Syria and India (the former two are older, the latter contemporary). I have some blurry memories of reading something about a possible trail of some sort via Central Asia but don't take my word on this.

@@LuisAldamiz Berber maybe

@@jeksixten5751 - It's a possibility but I lean for a more maritime oriented group: the (proto-)Tartessians of SW Iberia, incl. most of modern mainland Portugal, who had civilizations in Portugal itself (VNSP and others) first and later in West Andalusia (Tartessos, documented by the Phocaeans/Massilians and probably destroyed by the Phoenicians) and who reached history as semi-civilized "tribes" (Turdetani, Turduli, Conii, etc.) Dolmens and other megalithic structures (tholoi very notably) in Tamazgha (NW Africa, ancient Lybia) are mostly found in what is now Algeria (although this may be a research bias), which is not so directly oriented to the Ocean. Also we don't see historically (or even in prehistory, with the Canarian exception) Berbers being very active at seafaring, not until the (ethnically complex) Barbary Pirates period (Modern Age). When they are accounted for among the "Sea Peoples" in Egypt, they always seem to invade via land, the strict "sea peoples" are others (anyhow "sea peoples" is a modern moniker, Egyptians did not use that expression: even if *some* "sea peoples" are described as coming from "the sea" or from "their islands").

A columbarium was originally a dovecote (the "columba" part) which is probably what this is, perfectly in keeping with a modern European context. Have we honestly forgotten how much people liked to keep and eat pigeons only a few centuries ago? Not mentioning this makes the whole video feel kind of scammy tbh

@@knutanderswik7562 - It's not about the "columbarium" but about the dolmens.

I thought the same but almost certainly not. The ritual libation space sounds very likely.

@@LuisAldamiz I agree.

Yeah, how else would they drink?

Yeah, that totally made all his theories crumble for me from that point on...if that's the kind of "facts" and researches he bases things on..

It is mind boggling why these would be carved it almost looks like its for ritualistic purposes i cant think of much else. why cut such a specific keyhole shape for a drinking troth, also the cave with holes in the walls, We only have remnants of stone because that's all that would last, maybe there was large wooden towns indicating some civilisation but all the remnants are 10s of thousands of years old and lost to floods and rotting. None of these structures seem to have any practical use for an island civilisation.

@@inhabitantwaps3qs803 The cave with all the niches could easily be used as a dovecote.

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you're right! it IS completely unrelated. good job using basic critical thinking skills

@@PK1312 Ok bot

I don't think it's unrelated. Graham Hancock is likely right, and I think he will be proven right as more and more people are beginning to ponder his findings and perform excavations instead of being in denial. Let's entertain the thought that there was an advanced civilization that abruptly ended 12800 years ago. How did humanity recover so fast, basically going from primitive hunter-gatherers to doing advanced masonry, without the help of this ancient civilization? And if that is the case, how did that ancient civilization help humanity if it was completely extinct? Okay so it did not go completely extinct. Clearly a small part of it survived, and then gradually died out, or spent their remaining energy merging together with the rest of humanity. As an ending note: There is NO way that Plato would have been aware of an ice age, or of comets from outer space. The date is too much of a coincidence to be pure imagination. Btw. the ancient greeks also measured the circumference of our planet - was it also coincidence that they managed to get really close? And how would they suddenly get the means and the knowledge to do so, when in the rest of the world people were hitting each other with wooden branches?

@@007LvB it is an allegory

@@PK1312 You make a case, but not an argument. Progress requires two components: Rational thought, and an open mind.

I think ancient sea travel was a more advanced than we think. Have you seen maps before the 1600s that have Antarctica in its exact location along with other maps show islands that have not been above water since the ice age

@@samuranga8537 That has been debunked 100 times by now...

@Proteuzeumzone Sailing up and down the coast as Hanno did is something completely different than hitting a needle in a haystack like the Azores. Also Heyerdahl proved it was theoretically possible to reach Polynesia from Peru (by drifting, the Kon Tiki was literally unsteerable) but his theory of the settlement has nontheless been refuted by recent genetical analysis.

Yes, from 2000 years from now they might say the same about us

@@nick_0 Provided we humans last for another 2000 years or more.

...because all the non-sophisticated species died out. Wait, what? Moron.

​@@PedroOrtega1993 We are nearing a tipping point, with the progress in technology and artificial intelligence. A great cataclysm could set us back. If there are people in 2000 years pondering this question, that would indicate a cataclysm. Otherwise, given the rate of growth, humans will probably merge with AI to create a new species of hybrid biology and machine, and the contributions of our current civilization would be so small and meaningless that they wouldn't even be considered. I think.

Not likely at all. Atlantis was in what is now Portugal (mainland, just west of Torres Vedras).

This has been done, and there is some evidence.

@@LuisAldamiz there are many remains of civilizations under the sea all over the world, not just about Atlantis. Off the coast of India, Cuba, S. America, Japan.

@@1ACL - All of them are not just dubious but fake news. I'm familiar with some like the Bimini "highway" and it's nothing but a natural formation. It's like imagining the Everest is a "pyramid"...

@@LuisAldamiz Well, Atlantis was an Empire (Plato said there were 10 kingdoms). But we are really interested in the Capital city.

Could they have been to do with water:?

@@jennymay4720 Huh, now I'm wondering if ancient peoples noticed the sea level rising and tracked it. After all, in Japan people marked out tsunami high water lines to warn future generations of the danger. I'm sure the ones above water could be explained by tracking river levels or rain or something else.

@@jennymay4720 I always figured they were to channel rainwater to a cistern. Though if that were the case someone would probably have found such a hole. But getting a reliable source of fresh water on an island can be tricky, so maybe?