We first need to stop talking about "the bible". There are and were many bibles. There wasnt even a single fixed hebrew canon in the first century. We also dont have a single gospel, then there were many gospels in the first and second century too.
Agreed. Christians need to be brought out of their delusions, and they need to start by accepting history, textual criticism, and archeology-not making up their own version.
@JopJio U are making my point. GOD, by his definition, defines himself as 1, but unless the Holy Spirit lives in u. Sad 😔 u will not get this respectfully. Corinthians 12:3 New King James Version (NKJV) Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
@@Tyler_Skye77 It can be anti-Semitic to falsify history to create a narrative that Israel is a colonial state. There’s a lot of people using the label anti-Zionist to conceal their anti-semitism. They ignore the continuous presence of Jews in Palestine. They ignore that the Jewish diaspora had different waves and went to different places, and the conveniently forget that the Jews were considered foreigners in Europe regardless of which country they had settled in. They ignore that the Ottoman Empire encouraged the Jews expelled from Spain to return to their homeland (1492). I’m pretty sure that the person you’re responding to is an anti-Semite. I’ve got suspicions about his opinions about Hitler and the Nazis.
@@Project_Algiz Well, that’s how the law works, federally, in the US. I don’t know about otherwise. I haven’t heard anything about this either, even with as much as I’ve been looking into it more lately. Do you know if this is the US or what states (I’m guessing you mean legally)? I’ll probably look into this soon, but it’ll take a bit to have the time.
I’d never learnt anything about Gnosticism. I had the vague idea that it must have something to do with Greek philosophy, having come across terms like _gnosis_ and _gnostikos_ in Plato, but also got the vibe that it was some kind of a religion. I’m feeling surprised at how close I was, lol.
If you'd rather watch the vids, I recommend the Esoterica channel. Gnosticism is a diverse set of beliefs with some commonalities. I think a lot of it came from individual Inspiration and meditation, resulting in a Do-It-Yourself vibe.😁 The Enoch books are quite amazing!
@@icollectstories5702 oh man, I’d love to learn more about it, but honestly have enough time sinks in my life at the moment without adding yet another study interest!
@JopJio Paul while being Greek educated wasn't in any way gnostic. The depiction of the crucifixion in the gospels absolutely is. Gnosticism wasn't unique to any one group (ie the essence, zealots or proto orthodoxy ) the people who practice gnosticism did so in private and were spread throughout the other 3 major beliefs..(essene zealots etc).. The goal of gnosticism is the same goal as the ancient mystery tradition... to conquer death by directly experiencing who you truly are... you have no need of faith or belief no need of any church. . No priest can explain the divine to you because you KNOW without question who you truly are and by knowing yourself you come to know the divine.. on the walls of Delphi are the words "know thyself and you will know the universe and the gods" Aristotle said "to know thyself is the beginning of all wisdom " On the walls of Karnak temple in Egypt is the admonition.. "Man know thyself " .. That my friend is what gnosis is and Paul was not gnostic
The goal of gnosticism is the same goal as the ancient mystery tradition... to conquer death by directly experiencing who you truly are... you have no need of faith or belief no need of any church. . No priest can explain the divine to you because you KNOW without question who you truly are and by knowing yourself you come to know the divine.. on the walls of Delphi are the words "know thyself and you will know the universe and the gods" Aristotle said "to know thyself is the beginning of all wisdom " On the walls of Karnak temple in Egypt is the admonition.. "Man know thyself " .. That my friend is what gnosis is
Ashera I have seen you cover before but the Sophia and Barbelo stuff are new info to me so thanks, Dan. Also, a menorah is a tree? How had I not heard that before? Good stuff.
No, the menorah is a candelabra but Dan notes that the design matches many depictions of the symbol (a tree) representing Asherah. The question is if this is a coincidence or a leftover of secret worship of Asherah.
I'm wondering the tree motif for Asherah ties into the trees of knowledge and life in the garden of Eden. It might just be a coincidence that her symbol is a tree but damn.. I want to hear Dan's thoughts on that.
In The Orthodox Church, we understand Christ is Wisdom, sinceWisdom is made "before time", so not being a Creature. We also understand that God exhibits the traits of man and woman since they are both made in his image. Gender netruel of sorts. Only Christ is a bio male in the God head.
Good context and clarifications. It seems that the original creator was pretty close and may have just used somewhat exaggerated language because Internet.
A lot of critical scholars think that the Pentatuech wasn't written or compiled any earlier than 7th century BC. So... yeah. Around the time of King Josiah's reign.
The identification od Logos and Sophia is not lost in the Nicene Christianity. At least in the Eastern Churches we can see it in the Liturgy or in churches devoted to Holy Wisdom. However there seems to be a shift in understanding, as e.g. a Holy Wisdom church in Poland celebrates its holiday on Nativity of Theotokos. Apparently some christians got uneasy with identifying Jesus with a feminine idea.
If you’re looking for a decent English language Bible, the _New Revised Standard Version_ (NRSV) is probably your best bet. _The New Oxford Annotated Bible (5th Ed.)_ is an excellent study edition of this Bible, with useful notes and essays. Though it is due a new edition incorporating the latest updates to the NRSV. In the meantime, _The SBL Study Bible_ was recently released which incorporates the latest NRSV text and has some excellent essays and notes. I’ve heard Dan recommend both.
@@crow-dont-know Oh, thanks, but I meant a fully accurate telling of what’s in the Bible. Whether an explanation of what everything in the Bible means, or a description of the history (beliefs, meanings, changes, etc). A completely accurate translation (as best we can achieve) of the most accurate texts would also be good. It seems you have to be an expert in order to actually know, or just read a version & go with it if you’re the average person. It would be nice to have it fully accurately told and/or explained, so that people can just read that & know how it is. Trying to find ‘the right experts’ only works so well in practice.
@@Tyler_Skye77 yeah, I think I get you. Honestly, I haven’t come across any single book which does as good a job at what you’re asking as the NOAB - which has notes and essays. There are lots of excellent texts about specific aspects of the Bible which go deeper, but I think this is the best place to start.
Dan, you've not listened carefully enough at the end. He doesn't say Barbelo is missing from early Christianity. He says the feminine aspect of the divine is missing from modern Christianity. That doesn't mean anything has been removed. It just implies a view that a complete understanding of the divine would include masculine and feminine aspects. It doesn't imply that such a view was ever present in Christianity.
The female divine is only missing from Protestant forms of Christianity. In the Catholic and Orthodox traditions, she is still present. No, I don't mean Mary, although she is sometimes mistaken for it. In Catholicism and Orthodoxy, God is technically both male and female. You can find this in the writings of Catholic mystics from the medieval era and earlier Greek writers from the east. In Catholicism it is also sometimes believed that the Church itself is female.
What is your source for the Josiah info? I’m only familiar with Margaret Barker’s work in this dept but I’ve run into some criticism that denies her Josiah hypothesis, or more specifically, that 1) Asherah as consort of El (or YHWH) was the common practice until Josiah’s reforms and that 2) The Biblical record is historically accurate about this king and his reforms
I was under the impression that the depiction in the Kuntillet Ajrud image 1:45 referred to El and his Asherah, not YHWH (Adonai) and his Asherah. I know you say Adonai out of respect, but can you confirm that it is a placeholder for YHWH in this instance?
2nd Peter 1:20-21, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” So no scripture was kept out of the Bible as God inspired all that He wanted holy men to write.
Sophia overlaying by later translation, but is it not the older ideology? Why wouldn’t it be considered an influence on the Hebrew version even if it’s written in Hebrew first, since it’s older & would have been known to them?
@@Sewblon I’m pretty sure it’s in some of the oldest of Greek texts. The Hebrew people are not as old of a culture, so you can probably find it strewn throughout older cultures.
Considering it was only the Carpocrations and the Marcionites who called themselves Gnostic (According to M. David Litwa), don’t you think the use of Gnosticism to describe the Valentinians is possibly pejorative as a slanderous over encompassing term used by the likes of Iraneus to describe what he found as “heretical”?
Doesn't Asherah's removal from the temple essentially remove female deity personification from Christianity by default? If the Deuteronomists and Josiah removed her in the 7th century, including the removal of her tree from the holy of holies, then doesn't that essentially leave both Judaism and Christianity as motherless houses?
He said “the feminine aspect of God… (is) missing in *modern* Christianity”. I think he was trying to say that people, today, remove the feminine aspect from God. That’s not really relevant to Christianity, in-and-of itself, though (unlike I think he was trying to imply).
Dude clearly not a Catholic. Catholicism has reintroduced the feminine aspect in the religion thanks to the devotion to Mary the mother of Jesus. She is prominent and ubiquitous in the iconography, the prayers, the rituals. Technically not a goddess but for all the intents and purposes worshipped like a goddess.
I wonder if Asherah's iconography being a tree is related to the trees in the garden. Was Asherah's tree the tree of life? (Or maybe the tree of knowledge - and G-d was angry because of messing with H-s wife.)
Are the Ibex depicted one male and one female? If so that's highly significant in the same vain as mithras being portrayed between two torches one up and one down or Jesus being positioned between 2 thieves one accepts him (feminine) one rejects him (masculine) .. in the mysteries which all myths conceal in allegory we call this the " coincidenctia oppositorum " or union of the opposites.
Dan seeing you are a bible scholar would you explain why the Old Testament Greek word Ekklesia is never translated Church in the Old Testament. And why William Tyndale's 1526 translation does not contain the English word Church and why the word Church is not found in the original Greek New Testament in either word or concept. Could it be because the English word church comes from the Scottish word kirk and the German Kirche which are references to the Greek Roman Goddess Circe who is well known by classical historians. Circe was the Goddess daughter of Helios the Roman Sun God who both the Greeks and Romans Worshiped once a Week on Sunday. It is interesting that we get our English word Circus and Circle as in circular reasoning from Church. What are your thoughts.
Dan has answered this question. I think in videos about the KJV. There was a specific reason why 'church' was re-translated as 'congregation', and I can't remember why! It was something to do with being more accessible to the people reading the Bible, but I can't remember how, exactly.
Think you But I only ask the question in order to encourage others to know the facts of Sunday Church insanity and its purpose and agenda. Once a week church going is not found in the bible and is a invention of the Roman Catholic church for the purpose of indoctrination of the Mind for control purposes. I am hopeful Religious people will care enough to find out for them self the difference between Church insanity and Christ which is not a person but a Spirit Anointing of Consciousness. Could I ask if Dan has answered the question why church goers think Christ is the last name of Jesus when in fact Christ is a title that originated from the Egyptian word KRST or Karast and means to Anoint a body with a sacred oil for the purpose of healing and resurrection. Spirituality is about states of consciousness and the bible is a manual to show a person what makes them Human which is the Emmanuel Christ Consciousness that Flows into them from the Father of All Creation. Christ in you the hope of Glory, The bible Mystery revealed which Church going Christians know nothing about. bible Colossians 1:26-27 My prayer, the same as the Apostle Paul is that the Mystery of God Consciousness will be revealed to the Saints and that all of mankind will be filled the knowledge of Gods will in all Wisdom and Spiritual Understanding. Think you for your reply.
Escaping the material world to return to an unchanging world of spirit... Sounds like the Hindu cycle of karma to me! Wonder if there was any influence on Plato from Hinduism or vice versa?
The question of whether the Platonic ideas were "overlayed" on Christianity or later removed from Christianity is not settled, because the origins of Christianity are not attested well enough independent of the dominant tradition that explained it as the product of a historical Jesus. Christianity is suffused with Platonism throughout, and Jesus is consistent with a personification of "logos" even in the earliest documents. The claim that the beliefs later declared heretical are not original, but later additions, is itself a form of dogma, even though it was the academic consensus for a long time.
@@Sewblon This consensus is terribly soft. Bart Ehrman, for instance, used to argue that Pauls' letters had a low christology, but now reversed entirely and argues the opposite point.
this one was an insane example because he was technically less wrong most of the time than other videos but still the sensationalization and over simplification made the video completely misleading
That's true but I don't believe he is purposely misleading his viewers. I don't think he takes a completely scholarly analysis of the data. Rather a more esoteric approach. I don't think he's a scammer but his conclusions are based upon his beliefs rather than rooted in scholarship.
The Bible is much more complex and interesting, within a Bronze Age context, with many authors, and many reasons for being written. L.Ron Hubbard said that the best way to get rich was to create a religion, and being a sci-fi writer, took his authorship further to create a money making cult.
Yeah, you get all these great "edgy" creators who think that it's profound to say, "This gnostic stuff is being suppressed by the church!!!!" Um, yeah, it is. It's not some secret conspiracy, The early church didn't go with the developing gnostic tradition. They didn't hide that.
It was suppressed alright, but openly and for centuries. The Albigensian Crusade was rather blatant. (Obviously, it had additional political goals and was only about eliminating the Cathars.)
@@DavidAlastairHayden The problem with aligning the "Cathars" of 12th-14th century southern Europe with Gnosticism is all the surviving description of their beliefs comes from Church authorities, who would have been inclined to ascribe the most extreme forms of heterodoxy to them. They clearly questioned the authority of the Church in some fashion, because few other things could foment such an extreme ecclesiastical response at that time. But did they actually hold to Gnostic or pseudo-Gnostic beliefs? Or did they seek more modest reforms of Church authority and hierarchy but not necessarily changes to fundamental doctrine? Our main sources are highly biased and it's been hotly debated by medievalists since the 1990s.
@@digitaljanus Wow. I didn’t expect someone to reply who knew… well, anything about the Cathars. I was in religious studies in the 90’s and wrote an end of term paper on them. My professor was a little dismayed that I had written twice the required length 😂 but I got an A. Unfortunately, I haven’t kept up much since then. I’m sure a lot has been discussed since then. As I recall, I was pretty firmly in the camp of a small group of charismatic ascetics with an otherwise a general desire to depart from orthodox structures. Priests who could marry, church reforms, and similar things. I think it’s time to do some reading.
@@DavidAlastairHayden "Wow. I didn’t expect someone to reply who knew…" Always remember Pablo's first law of internet discussion: regardless the topic, assume someone participating knows more about it than you do. It's crazy how much people know!
@@DavidAlastairHayden On RU-vid, Dr Justin Sledge from Esoterica has published some videos on the Cathars, including at least one discussing this issue. I had first been introduced to his debate through a conference when I was a student in Toulouse in the 2000s and found it fascinating. But the debate was indeed quite hot, at least at the time, and even had some weird political ramifications.
Gnosticism is starting to sound like believing in The Matrix ™ What KIND of Tree ? Google says Ibex in winter eat twigs and needles of trees such as aspen, spruce, juniper, and willow.
What he says in the 2nd part is accurate, he says, it´s removed in the bible, not the hebrew bible. Also i do not think it is a good idea to differentiate so much, this is not how Mysticism works, Mysticism is entangled and multifold, just like symbolism is, which plays in to eachother and builds a synchronicity. Still good content though from a theological perspective. However bible scholars will most likely not decode the bible, as in what is written between the lines, hidden in the scriptures, all scriptures.
"he says, it´s removed in the bible, not the hebrew bible." That only makes sense if you think that early protestant English translations are identical with "The bible" as opposed to the original Hebrew, or any modern translation. Or the translation of any other theological tradition. "However bible scholars will most likely not decode the bible, as in what is written between the lines, hidden in the scriptures, all scriptures." What are you talking about?
What i am talking about? That the bible being mystic knowledge , a multilayered text, working in the same manner as any occult tradition with codes embeded only readable to those which are part of hidden circles within common secret societies, using those societies as a shell to conceal their craft. Just like the bible and other books conceal themselves under a guise. As in Heaven so on Earth.
Every time you discuss Gnosticism, you refer to it overlaying “the Bible.” In the next video you say “there is no such thing as ‘the Bible.’” In the words of the SNL sketch… what’s up with that?
Also, what’s up with Gnosticism? I’ve read scholarship indicating it was a competing form of Christianity with the Christianity that is really spelled out in the gospel of John. WhatSayYou?
@PabloWhiskey I have seen some of Timothy Hogans Work, and he explained that the Templars were (Johanian?) or all about John. Also, when orthodoxy was fighting to be orthodoxy a guy named Marcion I think had a competing Bible and religion that lost in the war to be the official Christianity. Then you also had a early Christian leader named Origin that believed in a form of reincarnation. There was a lot of wild ideas before they decided on what they wanted the religion to be.
@@digitaljanusIt’s much like that popular meme. ‘’They claim to be the ‘chosen people of God’ - in a book they wrote themselves’’. Almost embarrassed for them at this point.
@@ErraticFaith They wrote a lot about how they continuously screwed up and let God down too, and most of their heroes were deeply flawed. Why do you suppose they would do that?
So, no offense to the ancients, but that drawing of YWHW and Asherah is awful 😂😂 like it isn’t even stylized, it’s just poorly drawn. Makes me wonder who drew it - is it graffiti? A child? Someone making fun of them? I need more information 😂
