As a Hawks fan, heading into the game I did also think that West Coast did have a chance of pulling off a win too, so completely respected what you had to say about the preview. I was honestly surprised at the lack of effort shown by the Eagles on the day, hopefully they will kick back into gear again soon.
We have only had dual captains for two games. So if you are saying we no onfield leadership that kind of contradicts you saying we have too many captains. Remember there is a leadership group, plus guys like gov and Cripps who have stepped out of it. I think the team is just mentally immature - too many ball watchers and guys who probably don't understand the game plan, so it falls apart and then it just snowballs.
@@Groover1964 I trust the club and it's decision makers - Simpson, Shuey, Knights, Schofield - three of who were were successful captains, know who the leaders are in this group. Could their leadership improve? Sure. But our poor performance is more than on field leadership.
Simmo admitted he let Mitchell take charge in 2018, but end of the day Simmo was still the head coach so regardless what Mitchell did Simmo should and deserves the credit
As a Hawks Fan, we are in rare form this last couple months, we were even poor kicking at goal in the first half because of the bye I would guess and Eagles fans putting off players kicking for goal, our midfield has clicked and our general defence and pressure has been top knotch, I think we had the game played the way we wanted and to do it away was a huge positive for us.
I reckon if you asked the Hawthorn players and coaches off the record they would tell you that it was a bruise free win. Watching Scrimshaw, Weddle and Amon take bounces while barely jogging is what was hard to watch as a WC fan. I thought Worpel and Newcombe were excellent in the middle and you can cop that (we crushed Melbourne in clearances and inside 50s, it happens to every team) but the lack of pressure around the ground was so poor. Credit to Mitchell for turning the Hawks season around after a poor start and lots of criticism. Wish I knew why we started to do that and have fallen back into old habits.
@@scotteye84WC, no leadership.... Also,WC fan's due to their success barely missing finals since their entry get frustrated if their team missing the finals longer than one year...the fans must be ready too explode.😆
@@user-dz1us8vn2r since the 90s we missed two years 00-01, three years 08-10 and two years 13-14. We were 8-5 in 2021 and finished 10-12 to miss the finals and this will be the fourth year in a row missing finals and third in a row bottom 4. You don't get Reid. Ginbey, Hewett etc. without down years but patience has worn out with trash performances when senior players are available.
sides have worked out our ball movement, so we're forced wide and being really defensive. all we have left is trying to be more hungry than the opposition and tackle harder. When that doesn't happen (like last week) we're stuffed. Only solution is for the next couple of weeks picking a youngster to make a debut and going for youth. We may get thumped by more. But it should bring the youthful enthusiasm which may be the thing we're lacking. Burgoile Hall Rawlinson trew culley for starters.
If selectors are still choosing Rotham and Darling, they are not serious about winning games. Once there are a few passengers like that on the field, why should the rest of the team even try?
I really enjoy the way you analyse these games, your reviews are always level-headed and removed from any raw emotion/frustration that we all feel directly after games. I feel you, like me, always have a realists point of view which a lot of football supporters don't. Cheers for sharing your thoughts week to week, especially during such a tough time for the club
My comment on your last video: “Strongly disagree that we need to change expectations for the club 2/3rds the way through the season. Yes, we need to expect more each week, but also need to expect that our younger players will fatigue further as the year progresses and an injury here or there to Yeo, Kelly, Reid, gov or Barrass again will cripple us again. For me , just want to keep growing slowly without upping expectations beyond what we set out to do at the start of the year, which I think we can all agree was something along the lines of: win 4-6 games, expose the youth as much as possible and be competitive in most games(ie no 100pt blow outs), particularly away but also at home.” Sunday was very disappointing, but for me it’s inline with expectations. We had a fit team yes, but 2 of mids were coming off a long break and Yeo had other things going on. Let’s keep expectations realistic
@@tomdavies8233 yeah I agree, effort at this point is a non-negotiable for sure. But we need to look at holistically across the 24 rounds. This was a horrific result, but I honestly think things conspired against us a bit. TK and Reid coming off a month off will always be hard, especially as the explosive players they are. Yeo was clearly not ready to play emotionally and that’s more than forgivable, to be fair to him we shouldn’t have played him. Our forwards and backs were actually ok given the lack of inside 50s and the barrage the backs had to deal with. We actually had 8 scoring shots to 10 in the first half. Had we kicked straighter or were slightly more efficient going inside 50, we could have almost been in front at half time. We fell apart towards the end, which was very disappointing, but somehow expected.
Fantastic review and as usual spot on. Difficult to find any positives or solutions. We got towelled up by a very good team on the day. Wholesale change is not the answer, nor is the coach, as I am not sure if there are any other options in coaching. Quality on paper does not equal on field cohesion. A few good wins and people will be calling it a Mulligan. I can only hope that they turn it around this week. 💙💛🏆🦅
Thanks Jesse. Not sure what to think or how to feel about that performance. It’s more than just the coaches, it’s the list, it’s the players mindset. It’s a weird space. Agree def more running power needed.
Don’t blame you for feeling positive about our chances, I was too. We were the 6th oldest and 7th most experienced team on the weekend, or something around that. I actually find that a bit alarming for a team that’s down the bottom and meant to be prioritising youth. I’m starting to think we have a handful of players (yeo, waterman, barrass, McGovern, Reid here and there) playing career best footy that makes us look better than what we are and this game plan just isn’t going to stack up
We better show at least some semblance of having a competent list this week against Melbourne. Some things are inexcusable. I can handle a loss if i can see effort from the players, but legitimately what were the mids doing? We had what, 2 tackles more than the Hawks and 150 less disposals? How can we let that slide? Edit: i’m not certain that this actually has any bearing on the games or not, but we have been destroyed in the midfield every week since Matt Flynn came into the team. Is there something changing psychologically in the mids when they think they have a proper ruck in the team?
i reckon we will play hard against melbourne. but 2 weeks later may fold again badly as they crawl for the end of theyear. kids making AFL debuts is the one thing that could excite the group a bit and youthful enthusiasm.
On Flynn - we've actually had more hit outs to advantage on average than before he came in, and most of those games we were missing Reid and Kelly from memory. Things didn't improve in the Hawks game however
@TrueEagleAFL that may be the case but Flynn is not yet fit enough to run out a game meaning we have to pick B Williams to give him a chop out. The net result is too many talls and limited defensive pressure in attack or on transition. Someone or two will have to be sacrificed to introduce more run if we continue down this path.
Completely agree with most of what you said, this was one of the worst losses i can remember and we have had a lot over the last few years. 150 less touches, 27 less inside 50s, scoreboard flattered us. Witherden needs to be dropped, Chesser is still a concern as a wingmen whos averaging around 12 touches and 2 tackles, thats not good enough. Gibneys been average the past few weeks and might need a break in the WAFL. Im going this weekend against the Dees and im very concerned!! fingers crossed we can show up.
Was frustrating 1st half, ball lived in mid and our f50 but we could never punish, lot of stoppages and slow game in deadlock, 2nd half improved on our part in clearance stoppage newcombe day worpel moore really went to work Nash too and eventually our smalls will kill you, Chol solid played his role again and happy with hawks overall.
Totally agree hawks weren't amazing by any standard, decent but not their best but to play like that still win by ten goals interstate is a huge plus for us going forward. Should've won against pies gather round macdonald miss and huge lead against port we have those and we'd be top 4, i think thats why so many hawks fans are up and about rn.
Your point about the midfield is very spot on having there are alot of contested and explosive players. And with a WAFL midfield of Culley, Trew and Hall it's much of the same. Maybe a solution is trying guys like Chesser, Burgiel and Johnston as inside mids to try and get a point of difference
Chesser is only an inside mid really. Burgiel needs to debut - fact. Johnston not ready yet. Hall needs a shot. Trew has to play (or why did they sign him up). I'd rest some of the talls, and start rolling the dice with the young kids. Bring in enthusiasm and you can then make critical calls on them going forward. The midfield is poor. But the solution isn't to pick less of them. They're experimenting with positions, and the players are probably picking the vibe of for the future.
I was at the game and every Midfield mix seemed wrong and I mentioned it during the game. I feel Clay Hall or Trew would be ideal. We need a Priddis type, like you said omeone who can get the ball out. I liked Ginbey in there not because of Midfield craft but at least he is defensive and trying to chase and tackle. The midfield is way too offensive.
We brought in Flynn after 1 WAFL game having not played in a year. The team at the weekend had Flynn, B Williams, Darling, Allen, Waterman plus Maric as the sub. We obviously want Allen in the side and Flynn was brought in to be #1 ruck so B Williams could play forward but we are too tall. For whatever reason we are happy to play Harry Edwards or Rotham in the WAFL if we have Barrass and McGovern available but won't make a harsh call at the other end. With Flynn injured I expect Jack Williams to come back in and he won't be as effective as he was earlier in the season when Allen was out. After the first 5 or 6 rounds Darling has been alright, but I can't help but feel if he was on 280 or 285 games instead of 292 he would be getting the Gaff treatment.
@@Termintor1 it's got me buggered. Noah Long is out for the rest of the year, Ryan looks like he is gassed most of the time and we don't want to play our mid season draftee. Pretty much asking for a mark by a tall or a turnover.
J Williams is building experience. But I can't see BWilliams, JWilliams and Allen in the future all there. Then Waterman. Maric may end up in defence and he should be playing their at WAFL to build experience. They were hoping that BWilliams Darling Allen could get some synergy but BWilliams just needs time to build. Because of his outstanding efforts in ruck they don't want to drop him but what is the option. But the ball doesn't go into the forward line at WAFL. Experiment of JWilliams in Defence was really interesting, at the very least to learn some defensive tricks. Supporters won't want Hedwards playing on the best forward, but that is what needs to occur. Bazzo will be in again next year. All the tall forwards smells just like an experiement to me and I think the players pick up on the experiment vibe with Ryan playing mid too. The focus was to build massive pressure up forward, but now we're just experiementing with tall timber. Hough needs to be on a wing for a run, he's had a decent learning experience down back. If Ginbey is sore, then given a few weeks down back and to get experience. Cole could be a defensive forward or tagger. Duggan should always be in the middle now.
Plenty are still in good form though - Gov, TB, Hough, Yeo, Kelly, Hunt, Reid, Waterman, Allen, Ryan is a pretty damn good foundation of a team on all lines. Sure the bottom 6-8 is weak but I would still argue the output is not meeting the sum of our parts
In terms of west coast, if that was at G or maybe Tassie youd accept a 30 pt loss sort of tight game where hawks kick ahead late but to have a sort of solid side coming in and the game being at Optus you'd expect more of a contest. Harley looked a bit rusty but ultimately doesn't have the weapons around him yet, mcgovern and Barrass best players on park from both sides i thought but they cant make up for 60 odd inside 50s, heard alot from Eagles fans about eagle spine coming in and post game id say it still needs some work. For what its worth id rather your list than tigers but north and eagles should both be looking to be above what richmond will be soon.
Eagles have been experimenting up forward there is no doubt. Picking a tall forward line, including BWilliams who has rarely played forward in recent years. Hutchy playing was crazy. Forward line experiment has cost us a win and explains our lack of pace and mids. Also having Maric on wing in recent times etc. They are planning for next year, but the players pick up on the vibe. Also players morale would be affected knowing they stacking their side with tall forwards and form guys are missing out. That could explain a lack of enthusiasm.
We may look back later in the season and realise the Hawks are becoming a very good side. Ladder position had us duped that we could get close, but really they are the hottest team in the AFL, will be interesting to see how they go in the Cattery this week. Thought we played a way too tall a side fwd of the ball (Williams, Flynn, Oscar, Darling, Maric (sub), Waterman) and the Hawks identified that and killed us with possession and speed.
I'll say this I know what most fan's that went to the game thought. I thought myself remembering certain coaches over the years. I've personally witnessed at certain times in my youth being involved at a Club or two with footy and the name Malcolm Brown came to mind 😅 and poor Oscar facing Adrian Barichs hard questions in a meeting. I feel for him really came back from dual injury and thrown straight in. But we have had to do things like this for a few years now and when we do. The aftermath is always tragic.
I have been Simmo biggest critic the last 3 years but I think he has coached really good this year including team selections. We are coming from a long way back. 5 100+ losses last year with some 60,70 & 80 point losses. English, Baler and if we can Bolton should all be priority in trade. We lack depth midfield.
Theenthusiasm generated preseason that rolled into the season was awesome coaching. But he does have a weakness in that he pigeon holes players for positions and selection. He's experimenting with all talls up forward, but if anything that tells players that the club is playing for the future. Ryan in the middle, short term fix only. Instead, try Cole as defensive half forward or tagger, Duggan in middle, Ginbey to rest his body in defence and experience, Hough up on the wing to free him up. Keep Jones in defence. Experiment Burgoile on wing. Chesser inside mid only or defensive half forward.
I reckon they need a debutant this week from one of the kids. Enthusiasm and excitement is missing. Youngers and veterans struggle to play out years (and that's the Eagles). We're struggling in the middle with contested possessions. Side have worked out our ball movement. We don't have the talent or depth to override this. So to win and be competitive requires hunger and enthusiasm. I reckon that comes from the kids, especially one playing his first game. I'd go for Hall and/or Burgiole. They also have to give Trew and Culley a shot. They need to stack the mids and give those guys a go.
What you said is the problem with the eagles, you said "its a mature team" that's the problem we are suppose to be rebuilding for the future not saving a coaches career.
I don't think the fans would be happy losing by 100 points every week. That's the result from playing all kids. I think the club is looking tired and drained and struggling to move the ball as sides have worked them out. I reckon it needs a few kids making debuts each week and try to build the youthful enthusiasm again.
I believe the team is living on their past brilliance, and are not as aggressive as the 2018 team where. No magic wand just gut running to complete exhaustion every week 🦅
This was an absolutely appalling and embarrassing game. 2 steps forward 1 step back. At least most games are not 100 point losses, but something seriously has to change.
they've hit the wall... you could see that was happening even before the Melb game. But they amazingly they won. I think they need a bolster of youthful enthusiasm to get the player up and about and energised again. So a few debutants in future weeks would be great. A few other youngsters. Selecting a smaller running team. Getting former legends into the club again.
We haven't recruited well the last 5 years and now its biting us on the arse. Flynn, Chesser and Ginbey are average at best, Burgiel and Hewett have been plagued with injury, Brockman has shown very little, Reid may be the exception but he needs leadership on field to develop. New recruiting team and new coaching teams are needed, then delist underperforming veterans, trade a couple of young ones for draft capital and start again. It's getting embarrassing now.
We're going to go backwards in the next few years. But some players can be moved around to get the better of them and to see how they can help the team. Simmo' biggest weakness is how he lacks flexibility with players.
Lets be realistic, the following needs to be cleared out: Knights, Simpson, Schofield, Darling, Cripps, Gaff, Sheed, Jamieson, Witherden, Brockman, Rawlingson, Rotham. CLEAR THEM OUT.
Brockman very disappointing to date, another recruit not deliverying. Rawlinson is only a rookie, he is someone that can give pressure up forward. Witherden ok. I reckon we need guys like Duggan and Hough up the ground. Consider Cole in defensive half forward or mid position. They talk about pressuring the ball in the forward half, and then the last 4 weeks started experimenting with future with all these talls up forward. Hutchy selection wa poor. Jamieson is hungry and shows versatility until a decent defender arrives. I'm disappointed they have Sheed as tagger, even Gaff would be better suited. While Gaff is past his best, he does at least put in. I have to give him credit for giving 100% and making an effort even when playing injured. But Gaff will go. Cripps got two years. They should keep him and he is such a hard worker on the track he sets the example for fitness.
Ginbey needs time to develop into a wing as we really need him to develop as a midfielder as we're so weak in that area. But he is clearly sore, so would benefit from the rest and experience from playing down back. I think Hough could benefit from a run through the middle as part of his development. He has had a great 15 weeks in defence and needs some freshening up and so he can show what he can do up the field. Dewar or Rawlinson. Johnston not ready yet. I'd like Burgoily or Hall too. Of course Culley too maybe half forward.
@@BDub2024 I don’t think ginbey has the burst or turning speed to play as a mid. Plus we will draft a mid in this draft so we will have hall, Reid, hewett, whoever we draft, we could really use ginbey speed to rebound off HB
But all we hear is “young team”. Our list is young but the team selected isnt. How can they develop when non performing list cloggers are getting picked over them.
That's a bad stat. You need to look at the median, but most importantly look at the demographic of ages. They have old and young. The old are 4 years past their prime. No one in the mid 20s.
Nope, sack sack, sack. I’ve been the biggest advocate for Simmo. I’ve loved him and still do but these performances don’t fit the quality of the list on paper. Footy coaches need to be hard. Simmo is obviously not hard. I’ve had coaches that would have belted the team (not literally) for 4 of the last 5 performances. Mighty Mick would have had them firing and would never have had a record breaking loss like last year. The question is who replaces him? So it’s either, Cox, Jamie Graham, Ash Hansen or Schofield. As an interim coach, I’d tell Schoey, look if you win 5 games by the end of the year the job’s yours next year.
Your team will have the gross performances here and there, Good players are nice to have but they have to play as a team bring some sort of a system especially in the middle to be honest Hawthorne put on some hard pressure even against the best teams. Brisbane GWS and my Crows struggled even when they did play well Hawks are fired up and put teams away early. Probably hurts more as it was at home and then freo go on and win at the SCG. My thoughts would be an inside mid that is an extractor in the draft Jagga Smith and Sid Draper are the two main ones but in saying that who out of Kelly Yeo Reid or Ginbey do you take out but that is not till next year. Hey even if West Coast went after Laird or Crouch that would benefit depth and get an Extractor in the process if you select a Smillie or O'Sullivan this year.
You said we need a midfielder with running power who accumulates the footy? I don’t watch the wafl but isn’t Zane Trew that kind of player? Seems like many supporters have been calling for him to have a real go… hopefully some changes this week.
He's a bit more of an extractor than a gut runner - his tank is defintitely good enough to accumulate good WAFL numbers but we probably need a bit more gut running accumulating - a young Gaff for instance
The only way Bailey Williams should retain his spot this week is if Matt Flynn is out He’s been quite poor up forward Ginbey, Kelly, Reid and Yeo (understandable) got absolutely fucked in the contest all day, our defenders just kept turning it over, Harley is 19 and still was playing better than the rest of our mids Our midfield got absolutely flogged all day which is a massive concern and a selection statement needs to be made It was automatic that hawthorn burst out the stoppage We got 0 supply inside 50 and tbf players gave 0 fucks Forwards and mids need a fuckin spray it’s absolutely disgusting H Johnston needs to get more opportunity (he’s got a bright future, just needs to develop physically) Clay Hall needs to be given an opportunity soon Harry Edwards should be given more opportunity now he’s ready Liam Ryan is NOT a midfielder adam simpson Tyler Brockmen isn’t AFL ready rn
Literally won’t watch another game until they sack Simpson and Darling. Love the club but they need to make changes and make a statement. Simpson isn’t the guy for the job moving forward and Darling is a disgrace that keeps getting games. This dual captaincy thing isn’t working either especially since Duggan is B grade. Give it to Gov
Get our team profile younger for a start and get more development in. Rotham, Witherdren, Jones have been the same for years, they need to go. Chesser needs to go to the wafl for a few weeks, he’s playing with no consequence at the moment. Ginbey is an example of why we cannot split the pick 3 this year. His skills are horrible and he can’t find the ball.
Jones is a half back. The club has tried to turn him into a pressure forward or wing. Its not going to work. Play him half back and allow Duggan Hunt and Hough for runs on the wing. If Ginbey is sore as he clearly is, then put him down back for a while. He will learn important defensive skills and may find his spot. He is only in his second year remember. Compare him to Fyfe's and Cripps early years (and Ginbey won't end up winning a Brownlow). Chesser probably needs a break in WAFL. He is an inside mid and not a wing. Fact. Witherden is on his last year, I don't mind him. He does give the option to play the Coles Hunts and Duggans up the ground. Could Cole be a pressure defensive half forward? They need to try a bit. Hopeless to just stack the defence and leave the rest of the team exposed. Opposition teams just kick over the defenders heads. We need real pressure in the middle. Most importantly, youthful enthusiasm required. So a few debutants in future weeks.
@@BDub2024 Jones cannot play in the back line. A. He cannot defend 1on1 and gets exposed when this happens. B. His disposal is shocking and regularly misses easy targets. Maybe one of those you can cover over, but not both.
@@sleekism23 Jermaine Jones should be in the starting 18 in defence. Sure he is short but he brings pace, run and goes down the middle on the left foot. Quick movement is essential. It is his position, and it allows Hough Hunt Cole and Duggan to move up the field where they are badly needed. Jones just doesn't play good footy up forward or on a wing. We are so desperate to have good midfielders and instead we're stacking our defence with our best performing players. Rohan Jones was a poor kick. But Jermaine is good.
Hok is just better and younger. The players you are saying are quality really aren’t that good just because they are your best players. Tim kelly probably wouldn’t be in many teams best 22 ginby 10 touches is horrible
Whoever was the guy who said Ginbey was a gun needs to be shown teh door. The guy looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. Huge log of a man who is doing 4/5ths of fuck all right now. Unless they can convert him into an attacking half back flanker he might turn out to be one of the biggest duds in the clubs history. We passed on Harry Sheezel for this guy and Hewitt!! That is unforgiveable, sorry.. that cant be allowed to slide. Some one should be sacked for that decision.
Rubbish. Everyone looks worse in a bad team. Remember how good des headland looked at the lions? Tim Kelly would be a gun if he went back to Geelong. Ginbey is doing what 19 year olds in bad teams do
There’s is not one positive from the game. We are a corporate team and that’s all. All that Pike has done since joining us is live in the past. We’ve announced more memorabilia from our 90s-2000s teams than ever and basically just ignoring the fact we clearly over rate our players. If I hear one more person say ‘play the youth’ I’ll go watch mixed netball as my sport of choice. Our youth doesn’t even put up a fight against WAFL players. I’m sick of Simmo having his mates playing over actual kids. We will loose Culley, Maric Williams for blokes that just get a game regardless of form. Can’t wait to drop a young bloke to bring in gaff and Sheed. We are a joke
All sides are corporate. I think with the season about to turn ugly, youth will provide the enthusiasm and energy that may just kick start the players again. They're struggling to win contested ball, sides have worked out their ball movement. The kids and the old men are sore. Predictably. They need a sugar fix, so I'd be picking the youngsters and even gift someone a debut game. But I agree generally, that the fans say pick the kids. But then don't want to lose by 100.
We are the worst team in the comp we won’t win another game lazy slow midfielder sucks TK didn’t show up ginbey only had 2 kicks same chesser brockman hasn’t done f all for the club Wce need start playing hall n culley H. Johnson has SPEED idk if hewett will play afl this year but we miss him n longy I’m not surprise Reid so frustrated playing us
I dont recognise the team anymore. The ethos and backbone of the club has left from being a strong footy club to just a business that is focused on $$.
Change the stale coach - I guess you cant put a decent review of hawks game - start focusing on getting a new coach for 2025 - only our worst enemies would say keep. him - yes the game was embarassing - but your loyal support of simpson is even more embarassing - why we play so badly the coach is stale - just acknowledge you are wrong! Injuries was just an excuse - there is no excuse for lack of effort except for poor coaching.
i don't think he's stale because he really got the team playing full of heart for the first half of the year. Remember over east they didn't think we would win a game. But his weakness is a lack of flexibility and is fixed in his views of players.
Ahh look who's back. Good to see yet another comment calling me a defender of Simpson on video in which I did not defend Simpson. It's getting weird now mate.
I've stopped watching this is the worst season ever. The umpiring sucks, the CEO and AFL house showing contempt towards supporters. Plus top 4 means nothing anymore the way the ladder is. Who cares how bad the Eagles are this competition in 2024 is lame.
Nope, sack sack, sack. I’ve been the biggest advocate for Simmo. I’ve loved him and still do but these performances don’t fit the quality of the list on paper. Footy coaches need to be hard. Simmo is obviously not hard. I’ve had coaches that would have belted the team (not literally) for 4 of the last 5 performances. Mighty Mick would have had them firing and would never have had a record breaking loss like last year. The question is who replaces him? So it’s either, Cox, Jamie Graham, Ash Hansen or Schofield. As an interim coach, I’d tell Schoey, look if you win 5 games by the end of the year the job’s yours next year.
