@@Godzillafan78 Very, very few people know about that, and the fact that at one point in time, the island that West Papua is in, was once ruled by the Dutch, Germans and the British, until the end of the first World War, when the German part was given to the British, who then gave it all up to we Australian's as a Protectorate, which we (Australia) gave independence to in 1975, or 1976. Not sure now.
Since your piece documentary is on cold war, between US vs. USSR. You have missed the important part of the event. Who won and benefited from it? On your closing, you summarized that Indonesia was the winner and later on became the villain. Indonesia was just another victim of the cold war. It’s clear that the US won the stand off and had the most gained from the situation. They managed to run off the communist influence and had placed Freeport to suck out all the Gold and Copper in the following 50 years after. Not to mentioned in that 50 years, they turn blind eye on the mistreatments and failed to educate and improve the lives of the locals. Despite the immense wealth they have taken from their land/earth.
Papua, also known as Irian back then, was a headache. At one side, they wanted to unify with Java, Sumatra, Borneo, Celebes, Nusa Tenggara, and Maluku as Indonesia, hence it's name, IRIAN which stood for "Ikut Republik Indonesia Anti Nederland" if I weren't miss the spelling, propelled by the Japanese occupation from 1942 up until 1945. But, at the another side, some of our national builders especially Mr. Moh. Hatta were against the Papuans become a part of Indonesia despite the IRIAN word stoods. This was, an argument which Mr. Moh. Hatta said that there will be a chance for racism because the skin color and the behaviour differences (because Papuans back then are known for a resemblance of Africa) And so, when the Netherlands acknowledge our sovereignity in December 1949, which had an exception of West Irian being the part of Indonesia as late as maybe 1955 or something if I remember the history book I think, IRIAN is one of the main thing that Sukarno wants to take from Netherland despite the economy is still in the bottom of the ravine at that time. When the day that Netherland promises give the West Irian to Indonesia, they said, "We won't do that. The people of West Irian is with us. They support us as hell." Then, Sukarno come to USA but failed and then come to SSSR which Mr. Nikita Segeyevich Krushchev agreed to help we gained West Irian from Netherland. After that, Netherland didn't want to give the West Irian to us despite our attack and threat to them, and then, the USA under John F. Kennedy force Netherland to give it to us or the Marshall Plan would be cut of. So, symbolically, Netherland finally give West Irian to Indonesia. But, Western Powers are Western Powers. They factually didn't want a nation that independence by itself (when I types, "itself" means there is a promise but failed to be done, in this case by Japanese, so we have to erect our nation by ourself) go rapidly against Western domination in the so-called heavens mini garden, the South East Asia. And the rest is history... CMIIW
Papuan rebels have killed many priests, teachers, health workers, road construction workers, and kidnapped other civilians. They also robbed the property of the Papuan people. But the world community and the human rights organization (Komnas HAM) have not investigated this war crime. In 2022, Komnas HAM also failed to reconcile conflicting factions in Papua. Because it doesn't invite all factions. At the end, the Indonesian people do not sympathize with the Papuan rebels and the double standard of handling human rights in Papua.
Yeah those western funded human right groups, silent when the victims is other islanders except Papuans. Their silent is deafening when the indonesian troops or health/construction workers or civilans killed are in fact papuans.
Who cares if the Indonesian people don't sympathise with the Papuan rebels? Do the Israelis sympathise with the Palestinians? Did the Yankees sympathise with the Native Americans?
You didn't really tell me much about the Papuan perspective. This is told almost exclusively from the great powers perspective of Indonesia and The Netherlands
There is an insurgency movement there to this day, West Papuans are forced off their ancestral lands and away from their sacred sites for the purpose of massive mining projects. Oh and they also face lots of racism from Indonesian settlers.
@@Threezi04 let's be honest your so called insurgency actually just hollow word of bandit, your people actually could come out the town do trade without any danger get hunted by soldiers in fact many normal people in papua as long you didn't bring gun we never try to remember your face. As matter fact we never know your leader name or face it prove that we never bother to make it bigger problem and just keep passive approach.
Wow, thats trully brutal act by our Indonesia Government back then. Sometimes we Indonesians also think like our colonial brethren, where we always thought that we save Irians or Papuan from Dutch. But probably they are just fine when we left them just like thousand years before. Just because they didnt yet accept what we call as standard of better wellbeing, that didnt mean they cant handle it themselves because its already proven by time that they able to survive in that condition since probably thousand of years ago. Yet, as Indonesian, we are still considered papua as part of Indonesia, we hope our recent treatment since 98 reform towards Papua will make them better as time goes by, its not easy to win Papuans heart after all atrocities weve done during military operation of Trikora and during New Order. But we still considered papuan as our brother in Nation, so we hope we can unite under one banner although we all have different skin colour, language and culture . Peace from Bali...
Indonesia acted like the Soviet Union, not only in Irian but also in Portugese Timor with concentration camps, torture and mass murder. There has to be something in the culture of the Indonesian people for it to get repeated multiple times, exactly like the Russians, from the 9 million killed in the Civil war, through the Holodomor, the Purges, to today's invasion of Ukraine. The people of the 2 countries willingly supported and actively participated in the crimes.
I appreciate you're willing to acknowledge this it isn't easy to hear ones nations mistake the world needs people like you. It is always important to see with the eyes of the people rather than nationalistic lenses and be open to Papuas piloting their own course.
@@titisuteu Why did the Dutch invest in the development of the Papuan before? They could have worked with the Australian and unified West Papua with Eastern Papua.
This shows the true face of democratic governments all around the world as an Indian. In Odissa and seven sister states, we have similar situations where natives are suppressed and exploited by the government by labeling them, terrorists and militants. Similarly, we can look at the US as well here native populations were exterminated oppressed and their lands seized all the while the US itself went around the world promoting freedom, liberty, and equality.
"racially different", just what is that supposed to mean? And where does it leave Papua New Guinea and the colonial-imposed island splitting straight line in all this?
@@gangbelakang49 Yes, I'm from the Illuminati and I do evil comments as part of a conspiracy to change the world order with logical consistancy, muhahaha!
@@Game_Hero are you seriously saying that? Bro, you're just a buzzer. U really dont believe all the bullshit the white people says right?😂 we all know white people are hypocrites
And the separatist killing some woman who's stand in the wrong place at the wrong time and left their corpse laying on the side of a road to lure police officer. When the police come to secure the corpse, the rebels that hide behind bushes then shooting at the police, killing one The rebels act causing alot of anger because it is unethical. Killing their own intentionaly to lure police
No terrible no papuan mentioned at all, they were not just passive actors but part of indonesian independence movements there were many groups. He just mentioned 'from Biak' which is almost certainly Frans Kaisiepo. Even during the later period there were other groups too trying to link with Indonesian troops. Who do you think supported Indonesian troops in the jungle.
@@nylon1458 it just change from europeans to Indonesian. Funny right? I remember when their first president asked my country (USSR) to help them take papua but end up taken over by USA and Indonesian
This kind of history never taught in our schools. We only know that a plebiscite happened, and the people chose to be part of Indonesia. I heard that even Hatta didn't strongly support West Papua integration, though he didn't oppose it outright either.
He may thought about the image it will have to Indonesia, and it happened as many ignorant Western nation view Indonesia as a tyrant because of "occupying" Papua
The brutality of the ABRI stop after reformation (Reformasi) where the TNI approach is more peaceful and the cetral government giving Papua an autonomy but nonetheless the GPK keep harassing people of Papua especially those having government jobs such as Teachers, Nurses, Public Workers and no most of them are of Papuan origins not Java or Sumatra or other island. And I don't know what their goals are as I see Papua is much better of now than it is before as I work there in 1992-1996, 2010-2019. I think I know much more than people on the internet.
Big thanks for well explaining vid, I always believe West New Guinea should been part rest of Papua New Guinea. I was surprised Australia didn’t show enough interest in West NG as they did with PNG.
@@epg96 Yo kid, you're a disgrace to your nation and your Pangaribuan clan. This is the same smuck racist thinking the Dutch had for Indonesian and now you're reduplicating it blatantly. When Srivijaya was doing whatever, Bataks was still mucking about pigs manure. When Javanese ancestors were building Borobudur, the Bataks were still finding way to weave the first ulos. Yet, you and your Batak family is still the same Indonesian as the Javanese, Minang, etc.. And at least please read your own history. As if Indonesia didn't have civil wars (plural). Among the 1st happened in your beloved Tana Toba, Kolonel Simbolon PRRI.
@@epg96 yeah I forget there’s hundreds of tribes in PNG alone n remember there was unrest few years ago. PNG not easy to government let lone long held hostilities if West n PNG were to merge to create one country.
@@jamieshields9521 The problem with merging with PNG is that theres literally no legal basis for it at all. OPM predates PNG over 20 years and Australia controlled it until 1975. Under succession law, PNG inherited parts of British Empre while Indonesia controlled the western part that was DEI. The only way Papua in entirety can be a single entity is that Independent Western Papua and PNG unites, which is at this point is impossible due to disunity in OPM itself and how PNG is quite literally against OPM themselves, not mentioning foreign influence.
maybe momentarily, however now they have the worst economy in South East Asia and exploited by Australia. Currently they're people regretted for splitting from Indonesia and want to join back
Uhh... Becomes The poorest country in SEA, denied membership from ASEAN due to being too poor, AUS stole their natural oil reserves, education plummeted, Youths go to Indonesia for higher education, given economic aid from Indonesia. Oh boy! They sure are lucky!
@@MGharriy Wrong. It's a annexed part of the Republic of Indonesia after invasion and occupation. But nevertheless recognized now by many countries as part of RI. Whether it will always remain part or even whether RI will always continue to exist, is very doubtful
I am third generation mix-Indonesian. After Indonesian independence, my grandparents had to move from Bandung (Java) to Manokwari (Dutch Papua New Guinea). When they arrived in Papua there was nothing, the Dutch government still had to build houses for the Dutch-Indonesian community. My grandmother told a story about when Papuans with spears were watching in the bushes. My father then still a child quickly ran inside with his brothers and sisters. My grandmother was not afraid and ran outside and walked to the papuas in the bushes. The first thing my grandmother asked, teach me to find food in the jungle because there are no shops here. The Papuans led my grandmother and other mothers through the jungle and pointed out what was and what was not to eat. So my grandmother cooked with ingredients from the jungle, in return my grandmother made clothes for them and they became good friends. My father told me how he had to leave New Guinea for the Netherlands. They had just boarded the ship, and not a moment later dozens of boats with Javanese moored on the coast. The Papaus waved goodbye to my family and went back to the jungle.
Its not like there are no conflict among Papuans and migrating Indo, some right winger like dutch catholic party wanted to create an 'indo homeland' in New Guinea as if there were no inhabitants there and did not want them in the 'european homeland'. I pity Indo community who left, they were just pawns of colonial governments, Im grateful some who managed to get success outside like in USA despite of the racism there. Sizeable indo population still live in Indonesia maybe millions esp descendant of people who didnt have money, but as Sutan Sjahrir said they ceased to be a separate identity and more identified with other ethnicities. Bandung is one the place where many indo descendants live. 'Indo' now is also colloquial term for all indonesians living abroad.
Javanen, na lange tijd van onderdrukking, hebben hun land terug geclaimed en betaald met hun eigen bloed voor hunzelf en voor de rest van Nusantara. Iets wat niemand anders in de wereld is gelukt en zonder hun vrijheidstrijd zou indonesie, en ook meerdere landen in de wereld, net als usa of australie zijn. Jammer he 😘😘 @@facta-non-verba
Fun facts: After the Dutch administration ended, the region changed its name to West Irian. Irian stands for Ikut Republik Indonesia Anti-Netherland (in bahasa) or Join the Republic of Indonesia Anti-Netherland. - Frans Kaisepo (Papuan politician & Indonesian nationalist)
Yeah pretty important fact that Kaisiepo (just from biak, he mentioned) proclaim this in Malino Conference..and Papuan promptly silenced in Denpasar Conference. Not to mention Dutch wanted to send Silas Papare but he was involved in a rebellion by Sugoro hence he was exiled to Serui only to form PKII with GS Ratulangi which is exiled there too. He pick and choose and said papuan as primitive lol. No educated papuan figures involved in here is mentioned by him.
Nah, that just propaganda. That actually a backronym, which means that acronym was created after the word exists. The origin was from Biak language that means hot. Three is also many means from native tribes for same word.
@@BayuAH Well the one that popularised the acronym is also the one that think of the name in the first place. So it is not really a backronym. This name is first thought of in a meeting in Tobati in 1945 between students of Sugoro Atmoprasojo in the bestuur school, his assistant Corinus Krey, and the meeting leader Frans Kaisiepo to explore alternative name for papua.
Again a complicated topic delivered with enough context and nuances for the general audiences. Kudos Just a couple of notes: 5:03 it wasn't that straightforward. Hatta, for example, didn't agree with Soekarno and others on the matter of Papua. To paraphrase, 'Papua has the right for self-determination and its own independence. If we continue this, why not Solomon or even the whole pacific islands'. There were also other objections from different parties with different narratives. 6:12 the neighbouring Biak Island (and Serui) was and still considered by Papuan themselves or other Indonesian to be part of the Papuan-sphere. A rather curious trivia: historically, it was some educated individuals from this island who supported the republic then also the 'transfer' of Papua, but then also the 1st organize freedom movement. It was in the port of this island the Biak massacre happened.
As much as I respect Hatta, I think it was absolutely a clown moment from him to fall for Dutch narrative of racial difference as to why he thinks Papua shouldn't be part of Indonesia. It's almost like he forgot about the Maluku islands and East Nusa Tenggara, or that there was also a significant presence of Austronesians in the coast of Papua that are racially similar to people in Central Indonesia than the Melanesian highlanders. And with Biak it's also very interesting because there was also a Peristiwa Merah Putih there where pro Indonesian rebels actually fought against the Dutch.
@@cek0792 tell that to Australian Aborigens, Tibet, Uighur, and people of Jammu and Kashmir. Jeez if we ask every single separatist movement in the world we will have like 5000 countries.
Its clear his bias why no mention of Frans Kaisiepo at all is it because he has to mention what he did: proclaiming IRIAN? Its not just him before this he had coordinated with Corinus Krey, Elly Uyo and Sugoro in prison. Not to mention Kaisiepo was a replacement, original delegate was supposed to be amberi(indonesian)-hating Silas Papare, which at this time was exiled in Serui where he met Ratulangi and form PKII. He was exiled because he was part of Sugoro rebellions lol. The Dutch (Van Mook) punished papuans by not having delegates at all in Denpasar, this was protested by Nicolaas Jouwe, Corinus Krey, and Marthen Indey. Ofc westoid did not mention this.
@@mysticonthehill all the mining revenue back to Papuan 30% + the Central Government inject 8 billion to all Papua provinces each year. No colony!! there are only 2 main cities in papua that has Mixed Native Papuan and all Indonesian the rest are 95% Papuan. Papua also got billions of infrastructure projects.
@@bryansmulez4672 0. Papua are the p00rest province in country. 0.A PNG capital are way biggr & rich then West P. 1. Majority of papuan are pe4ceful but separtist. You forg0t all the studnts pr0test? 2. OPM in jungle are crimn4l. Not p4rt of papua v0ices but their share same dream. 3. Malay race are col0nizer on n4tive papua.
The Dutch is white after all, theyre the pros when it comes to things like that, even to this day. Just see how they so quickly switched from invading and razing the middle east to ground into condemning Russia for the SMO.
West Papuans deserved the right to self-determination, Indonesia's claim on it was no less imperialist and unjustified, in fact even more so because unlike the Dutch they practised settler colonialism and exploit Papua far more than the Dutch did
@@Threezi04 the dutch made us pay the debt of the entire east indies, as such we have the rightful claim to all of it including west papua. The papuans have no rights of self determination.
@@Threezi04 Do people of scotland and north ireland are given the right of self determination? Eastern ukraine? Catalonia? Palestine? Hawaii? Westerners should take a loooongg look in the mirror before they judge others.
@@stoneruler Well, right now realistically they would be another East Timor if Papua separate itself from Indonesia. The integration was brutal but the current status quo is better to be maintained.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 The classic imperialist and colonialist argument: "We improved their lives so that justifies us conquering them." Ironic how Indonesians hate Westerners for being "colonizers", yet did the exact same thing themselves.
it is obvious that you are positioning yourself as a pro-western historian.....you are very detailed in explaining the massacre of the Papuan people by the Indonesian army...although the truth needs to be proven.....but you have not at all explained the story of how the soldiers the Dutch killed hundreds of thousands of civilians during the Indonesian war of independence....I am concerned about your way of thinking.....maybe because your lessons in western schools.....did not teach about the cruelty of your nation's colonialism against Asian peoples..
Indonesian first goal isn't an economic one, Papua was instead important because they attend the youth pledge(basically a unity pledge for an independent Indonesia) so it must be incorporated for it simbolysm + Papuans integration would be a win for the secularist because Papuans as you know are not Muslims and at that time when political islam we're a significant enough force(with US help ofc) that no new constitution can be approved without it being a sharia compliant one... Every support count
@@tarno_bejo_ I think it is because it's hard for many historians to understand its legitimacy. We're talking about nations yet a simple youth pledge participated by some young people who totally do not fully represent their respective region's views as they are not elected democratically is to be treated as if it fully represents their region. It's like having someone make important decisions for you as if they "know" what's best for you. I don't think the youth pledge hold any real value other than a meeting of Indonesian youth from different parts of Indonesia informally discussing a united Indonesian state.
@@cek0792 Cuz, they are learned people. They were not just simple some young people. They knew their culture, they knew of their tribe's laws, they knew their people. And more importantly, they were already organized like party and communicated each others, all around the country. So, ofcourse, its a formal forum. Well, unless you re a dutch colonized, then you might think of it as informal X-P And no senate truly knows whats the best for you anyway. Do you really think those people in the parliament know their people's interest? I dont think so. Cuz, they got elected by money.
Yeah lets just not forget the name: Poreu Abner Ohee (Ondoafi Asei Besar) and his wife, Pouw Orpa Pallo Yochu Aitai Baitawi Karubaba fron Ambai Islands All members of Papuan students in Ambon...Jong Ambon, do not just containe ambonese but also many papuan student in ambon, also another person Johannes Abraham Dimara.
the copper has been discovered since 1939 by dutch geologist, this is the main fuel of the dispute. One of the largest copper and gold deposit on earth with abundance of water for mining activity.
What you said about Indonesian troops treachery may right, but you may check that what rebel group did nowadays. Killing some innocence like doctors and make people human shield. They're not saints thou. I do some business on transporting some goods including to the Papua, they shot my goods anw
They were not as "stone age" as you ve represented. That is insult to refer them as such. They already had learned people there. I havent see any of you guys mentioned "sumpah pemuda" (the oath/pledge of youth) in 1928. The representatives the real people from papua have expressed themselves of the willing to be united as one free nation Indonesia with the rest of us, free from the dutch colonizer. Why all of the so-called historian from the west have not ever mentioned that. That is a redflag there. Not to mention, papua had been part of tidore kingdom before the arrival of the dutch. Also really? Trtre, masscrs, public exection of pregnant women, and rpe?? You dont even mention any eyewitness/evidence there. What a bad story telling. However it did happen in jawa island. During the dutch military invasion. We have so many veterans eyewitness how the dutch soldiers have done the warcrimes.
Many Sugoro Atmoprasojo rebellions there, as Benarda Merteray writes there are three major Papuan rebellions to join Indonesia, during the period of 1945 to 1949. Many think they would join State of East Indonesia. No Komite Indonesi Merdeka, No PKII, basically no prespective of Indonesia or Papuan. At this time in western 'historian'.
In my opinion, Indonesia wanted West New Guinea to become their part because the president at that time feared that if the Netherlands stayed there for too long, it could be perfect bases for American presence to patrol the Indonesian waters, since at that time Indonesia tended to side with communist countries. Americans had been trying to depose the president for various occasions because of his bold stances against imperialism, so letting American and Dutch forces in West New Guinea threatened Indonesia's position since UK was also present in Malaya, Singapore and Borneo.
No such thing, there has always been intregationist connection between figures in Papua to join Indonesia (or even RIS). Like Machmud Rumagesan even chastised Sukarno why after 1949 RTC Indonesia did not push more for Irian.
My answer is based on gepolitical strategy, since at that time Indonesia was surrounded by belligerent forces that were trying to threatened the stability in Indonesia. If West New Guinea became independent, look at how easy Dutch and American troops used Raja Ampat to infiltrate to Seram and Halmahera, or at least supply arms to the potential rebels there. Americans eventually gave it to Indonesia so that Indonesia didn't fall to communism, which they almost did.
@@yosuasiregar341 You did not give the exact time for your assumption when is this geopolitical thinking because the situation changed pretty quickly during the decades after ww2. In BPUPKI Meeting Hatta expressed concern about Indonesia claim of Western New Guinea because Japanese forces did not hold Most New Guinea, he also asked whether it would extend to PNG because of geopolitcal reasoning like you said (aftaid of being attacked). But Yamin denied it is purely because of Indonesia tied with Western Papua and of only Dutch East Indies. Hatta himself welcome if Japanese troops give WNG to Indonesia. As far as we know there are no geopolitical consideration for this. UK was not the enemy yet as konfrontasi would only happen later on, they did not want to get involved after Surabaya and Allied forces tried to be neutral. At least since 1928 and beforehand there is already grassroot movement for western new guinea to be part of Indonesia. As it is just after Boven Digoel exiled, not to mention Tidore support of Jong Ambon members from Papua, of Asei Besar (Sentani) and Ambai islands (Yapen). Many allied forces veteran then lead Indonesian organization there such as Marthen Indey, Lukas Rumkorem, and Silas Papare. Though yes generally Indonesian figures is of Japanese Kempeitai (Johanes Dimara, Kaisiepo, Singgirei, Jouwe). If there is geopolitical consideration it is the forming of UPI or PSP-45 in Bv Digoel and South Papua regions because they work against RMS operatives which are present in South Papua. But even this is later ofc after RMS was formed. So then when is it maybe you are confusing the timeline with konfrontasi. Actually the opposite was true Raja Ampat was forces used by Trikora troops to infiltrate Western New Guinea, the local islanders sometime joined the infiltration troops. The Moi of sorong even supported Indonesian forces there, because OPI was already formed.
Indonesia and UK had bitter relationship in 1957 after the independence of Malaya, which Soekarno wanted to integrate it to Indonesia proper. Things only get heated after the formation of Federation of Malaysia in 1963 which led to Konfrotasi, so technically at that time Indo and UK were already in different sides. UK and US intelligence were trying to assasinate Soekarno few times, so you said that they were not enemies? You kept bringing the support and ideas of some Papua figures to this comment, while I didn't talk about it because I already knew that. There were some support for the integration from well-known Papuan figures regarding to the integration, that's why I didn't talk about it. And I did not say Raja Ampat WAS USED as a base there, I said it COULD BE USED as a base for Dutch and Americans cause the islands are located just few kilometres from Seram and Halmahera. And you must see Indonesian politics from 1959 to 1965. Indonesia was leaning towards communism, but the entire country was surrounded by UK-backed Malaysia, Australia to the south, Philippines who back then joined US-formed SEATO. If West New Guinea became independent, could you imagine how strategic they are to the US and Australia? They can become training site for separatist movements in eastern Indonesia, which at that time already demanded greater autonomy.
Maybe I understand what Indonesian think. What they want is freedom. Free from their oppressors. But it's still there. Theirs enemies still there. In the land they think belong to them. And they think anyone who support their enemies. Is their enemy too. Then story of oppressed become oppressor begin once again.
@@Game_Hero Indonesia doesn't want a Dutch-controlled country right at its doorstep, especially when the Dutch at the time still can't let go of the colonial mindset. It is logical for Indonesia to integrate West Papua at any cost, albeit it's brutal.
@@lil_jong-un6668 Dutch controlled? Kim-Jong, the Dutch are a shell of their former empire, they barely can keep their Carribean conquests chained to them, how on Earth are they going to get to the other side of the world for a piece of land that has no value to them, that they were incapable of holding at their former larger strength, and will join its Papuan neighbour anyway? Why not the Swedish while we're at it. Indonesia must let go of its colonial mindset. You don't fight colonialism with colonialism. At least you're honest enough to recognize it is brutal.
Soekarno is that really ambitious guy who switched from one side to another just to get what he wanted. First he sided with the Japanese during pre-independence, then the US during the independence war, then USSR during Papua, and lastly China during Konfrontasi. In the end though, he couldn't get Malaya and also lost everything to Soeharto, but still, he had amassed a lot of territories which would later became what it is now of the Republic. I may be the minority here but i have a high respect for him for having high ambitions along with the skills and charisma to back them.
You don't understand what you are talking about. First. Soekarno never sided with japan. He and other indonesian founding fathers is actually contra japanese government. They only play along with japanese plan without willing to cooperate. During 1945-1949 era, US even against indonesian independence, and USSR is too busy with their internal post ww2 strugle After indonesia gaining independence, Soekarno decided that indonesia will stay as a neutral country, not sided to any block. Soekarno want to create a balance relationship between Indonesia-US and Indonesia-USSR. But US don't want indonesia to get close to USSR and sending lots of assassin to erase soekarno. If you are soekarno, will you sided with usa that time? If i'm soekarno, i won't do that. On the other side, USSR very supportive to indonesia. It is not soekarno who's oportunist, but it's all about US and USSR strugle to make indonesia sided with them
For konfrontasi indonesia hasn't payed it's debt back to the soviets in time so they weren't willing to help us plus soviet union was in a different tactic, this channel already explained why soviets didn't help indo in konfrontasi conflict just check it out
@@thegrandlord2914 I think sukarno actually sided with the japanese but after nishimura told to Sukarno and Hatta that Tokyo didn't allow Indoesian proclamation of Independence they eventually decided to make the proclamation for the next day...
Dutch as well as Brits like many other colonialists tried their asses-out to hold their colonies as long as they can. Indonesians limited in resources and friends almost joined the global communist bloc just to drive the colonialists out as stated in Indonesia’s constitution. Until this present day Indonesians still value Russia as friend no matter what. These things fails to be presented in this western perspective lack truth vlog.
The USSR backed Indonesia for ideological reasons / own interests. That 'friendship' ended rather abruptly in the 60s for obvious reasons. The present regime of Russia has no particular love for Indonesia, but of course happy to get any support it can get from anyone anywhere blinkered by anti western sentiment.
The then Dutch minister of Foreign Affairs Joseph Luns was FURIOUS with the Kennedy administration, Especially with Robert Kennedy. As a sort of reconcilliation, for what Washington also knew fine well to be a grave misjustice, Luns was later appointed secretary general of NATO.
As a young engineer in the US Merchant Marine, I first set foot in Indonesia in 1975. It was easy to see the country was under the rule of a dictator and I needed to watch my step.
1960 the communist party managed to become the largest party in Indonesia. with the campaign against European capitalist imperialism. made them win the election to become the largest party in Indonesia. 1965-1966 the military rebelled against the government. killed 1.5 million communists and imprisoned 3 million of their family members and dethroned the president. and became a dictator with the help of the United States
This vids sum things happened to West Papua and the impact it gives us today, Nice....... Dutch rules in Papua will hurt the soo called Decolonialization campaign push By US for further Opening global market. Decolonialization act is based on the conclusion from both World Wars, Colonialization will eventually make developed countries struggle for hegemony. (Even so there are countries that still make a leeway of it by creating puppets and effort of neo-colonialism) We all know what happened to African Countries after the Decolonization right, so are the West Papuan if leave by themselves. There was no right or wrong method but the least Indonesian Government can do is slowly to integrate people of Papua into one (like everybody else). Indonesia on it terms it self is a nation of different race and cultures united in one single banner, its simply just a bunch of Human tryin to live their live peacefully, so Papua was no different. IF some of you think they (papuans) are different, then my question is from what perspective that made them different ? They are Human too.....
Something that you apparently forgot to mention that the freeport concession, alongside the 1969 referendum, was made under Soeharto regime which one of many reason some Indonesian negatively viewed Soeharto since he perceived as the president who sold Indonesia's potential resource to the west (eventhough freeport is currently managed by Indonesian fortunately). Anyway, under current president Joko Widodo, Papua is experiencing relatively greater development than the previous president despite there are several attacks by west papua movement. So hopefully Papua will be in the better situation in the future.
@@epg96 its not only civil wars of political difference, but also religion and racial as well. Eastern part is compromised at least more muslims (maybe not majority still) than the one in the western part and western part is much more homogenously christian than the east. With addition of political view (eastern part is pro Indonesia since the start), it will be a civil with many dimensions.
Tentang pengembangan Papua, bapakku terlibat dalam pengembangan pasar perbatasan RI-PNG di Jayapura. Dan dari situ saya belajar bahwa pengembangan papua sudah direncanakan semenjak jaman Orde Baru. Mulai dari pemetaan, survey, zonasi dan penentuan kebijakan. Dilanjutkan oleh presiden-presiden setelahnya. Pos perbatasan RI-PNG di jayapura itu cukup megah dan canggih, dan itu direncanakan semasa presiden Habibie, dibangun semasa presiden SBY, dan diresmikan Jokowi. Serta proyek jalan Trans Papua, itu sekali lagi sudah ada semenjak jaman Soeharto, dilanjutkan pelan-pelan oleh penerusnya. Tapi dihebohkan dimasa Jokowi. Seruan jokowi dengan kabinet 'kerja' itu bisa kerja karena mereka teknisnya hanya perlu kerja. Hanya perlu me-nyata-kan perencanaan pendahulunya. Tentu pembangunan ini ada harganya, dan lihat kondisi sosial dan ekonomi nasional saat ini, hal yang dijauhi oleh pemerintahan sebelumnya, kini membengkak. Semoga penerus Jokowi mampu menangani hal ini.
@@muhammadriskyramadhan1725 ya mending jokowi sih. Prabowo cuman bs koar" jokowi antek cina. Plg gak jokowi ada rncn kerja lah drpd fokus ke ngejelekin saingan. Semoga Prabowo lebih pinter pilih strategi timses kedepanny. Slander (merusak nama baik) musuh politik tu strategi yg gak boleh dibiarin berhasil.
@@muhammadriskyramadhan1725 bkn prabowo. Tp setiap suporter prabowo yg tak tanya apa kebijakannya prabowo, jwbn mereka selalu sama: JOKOWI ANTEK CINA! Apa cb kebijakanny prabowo yg pengen diterapin klo dia terpilih? Plg gak jokowi jelas bilang memperbaiki infrastruktur.
Little known fact, there was no mass arrest before the PEPERA 1969 as very few Indonesian soldier was garrisoned there (due to internal conflict during 1965-1966), but there were struggle between Indonesia and Holland, where Holland try to buy the people of Papua by giving the gifts like alcohol, food, clothes etc. So that the Papuans rather chose Holland than Indonesia. And the Mcroran Freeport was given the go to exploit Papua after America installed a pro-American dictator (Suharto, 1966-1998). And oppression started from there where America and Australia heavily support Indonesia even at the Invasion of East Timor. OV-10 Bronco, Skyhawks, LSTs and many more west hardware were pouring to Indonesia and the part where they shoot the Papuan is I think in the late 70s to eraly 80s where there was an attack at the Freeport mine killing some workers and the ABRI reacted harshly deploying the OV-10 to drop napalm to nearby areas and suspected camping area
From political point of view the if we lose Papua we might lose the "unity in diversity" thus weakening our foundation. That's why no president want to lose it
Indonesia: Hey America why dont you back my illegal invasion of your allies territory and ill allow you to set up monopolies and enslave and or deport the natives? USA: Yes my dude!
Pretty sad they did not cover local Indonesian movement in New Guinea. Why just mention 'from Biak', Frans Kaisiepo is pretty influential member from there. Silas Papare from the neighboring Serui also prominent. Theres a reason at this time the islanders were pretty educated well travelled and have education connection with rest of Indonesian islands. He is present in Malino Conference before Denpasar Conference. Papuan delegates also protested no delegations in Denpasar. Nicolaas Jouwe, Marthen Indey, and Corinus Krey wanted to join State of East Indonesia. Nicolaas Jouwe himself is pretty influential from being part of pro Indonesian group, to Netherlanda and independence, before back again to Indonesia in 2010. No Soegoro Atmoprasojo, No Singgirei Rumagesan, No Abraham Dimara, No Silas Papare and PKII, No Marthen Indey and Komite Indonesia Merdeka. Ie: basically no Indonesian (and local 'West' Papuan) prespective at all.
Because most of the local Indonesian movement in Papua was miniscule or made up of puppets that were paid by Indonesia. The overwhelming majority of Papuans wanted independence. There were also pro-Dutch Indonesians that weren't covered either.
@@jokerofmorocco Papuan rebels are miniscule, minority of Papuans, minority of inhabitants. They are just puppets that were paid by foreigners (NGO and the likes), obsessed with racial superiority. The overwhelming majority of papuans just wanted peace have better lives and tired of the constant fighting.
@@jokerofmorocco source: trust me bro All those movements took place in the independence war when Indonesia had virtually no money at all, the fact that you say they are paid actors is laughable. Fact is that pro Indonesia sentiments existed within Papuans and was enough to even wage small scale skirmishes against the Dutch as part of a broader Indonesian rebellion against them, but yea keep being in denial about it I guess.
When Māori attain equal political power to settlers in NZ we will officially support the reunification and self determination of west and east Papua along with their protectorates Serui and Biak. Papua merdeka!
Maori and the European settlers are proudly calling themselves New Zeelanders and Pacific Islanders or Polynesians ,so stop your fucked up instigating disunity in Civilized Societies.
Coup, coup, more coup, Student Activism which lead to a massacre which led to another coup, Communism Scare, probably a lot more but would be an exciting episode
From the memoires of Prince Bernhard and Erik Hazelhoff Roelfzema, it becomes pretty evident the Netherlands did at least have some involvement in the uprising on the Maluku islands.
That explain why there are not even a sign of anti republican in the molluccas after RMS rebellion, it was never a grassroot rebellion, just a bunch of ex elite dutch collaborators who are salty because they lost a lot of their privileges
@@briantarigan7685 It is more a bit of both really. Keep in mind the population of the moluku islands is not Indonesian, not even related. Also, the RMS essentially gave up on violence over 40 years ago, but that is decades after Indonesian independence and decades after Dutch involvement there.
@@c128stuff huh? What do you mean not Indonesian? Indonesia is not an ethnicity or religion, being an Indonesian is just like being an American, i am a Christian and a Bataknese, does that make me not Indonesian in your eyes ? Indonesia is not a muslim state, our constitution is based on secular values rather than the values of one particular religion and all Citizen of Indonesia, regardless of their ethnicity or religions are equal in the eyes of the law Also you definitely don't knkw about indonesian history , Mollucans are active in Indonesian independence movement, particularly in Jong Ambon Movement, our longest serving Government ministers is an Ambonese Christian named Dr Johannese Leimenna RMS let go of violent struggle because they lost terribly, those spoiled elites are either dead or escape, all that's left of them is their saltiness in Netherlands, just like all those Confederate supporters, you go to Mollucas nowadays, talk to the peoples in the busy streets of Ambon, the largest city there, and no one would know anyone from or support RMS, except from history lesson they get in their Junior High school
@@briantarigan7685 Maybe start with investigating where the current population of the Moluku islands comes from, and how they got there. Its not a pleasant story btw, but it will show why part of the people there still do not feel they are Indonesian and should not be part of Indonesia. That number has been declining, and many of them have migrated, so sure, in Ambon today you will find few if any people supporting RMS, especially publicly. And beyond that, I don't think 'Indonesian' is an ethnicity or religion, I never said anything like that, and you'd do well to not try to put words into someone elses mouth so you can make an argument, that is a fallacy, and a dishonest way of having a discussion. Indonesian is however a nationality, and there is a national identity linked to that.
@@briantarigan7685 well, i got news you. Theres more ambon or mollucas living in Dutch than in Indonesia.. because in 1950' dutch come and take thm all, its free to enter on big ship. Only after that, its more easy for Indonesia army to w0n the battle.
I feel so sorry for Papuans. I call the western half of the island, Indonesian New Guinea, because people can't tell Indonesia is oppressing Papuans otherwise.
@@dutchskyrimgamer.youtube2748It's not a republic, but maybe it will be one day. Your people wanted to give Dutch New Guinea its freedom, but Indonesia with help from the U.S. sadly conquered it.
@@royhay5741 the organization West Papua Merdeka has declared it to be independent and is officially calling itself the Federal Republic of West-Papua (FRWP) and is participating in the organization for unrepresented peoples
The ARP is called a 'far-right' party, which is not the right term to be used. It was a christian-democratic party, though led by protestants the most conservative of influential Christian party's in Dutch politics, of which there were multiple. Especially with the modern interpretation of far-right, I just do not think it is fitting to be used in a video describing cold-war politics. The Dutch have never once had a far-right government, and such party's did not excist or held little to no sway in Dutch politics of the decolonisation-period. Dutch governments were consistently made up of either christian-democrats or social-democrats in coalition with the liberal party. This would be the case until the rise of Pim Fortuyn in Dutch politics after the 9/11 attacks. Even when looking at opposition-party's from before 2000 there is almost no right-wing, only the Centrum Partij could be considered as modern right and that would be long after the independence of both Indonesia and West-Papua.
@@rave.201 ofc any country suck resources for development of their people. The result papuan in Indonesia have better standard of living than across the border.
@@rave.201 Some stopped in west papua, (im talking about rebels from just after this video time period, not modern ones after Suharto), they actually formed kodam kasuari members (indonesia military district of west papua) after pepera. Since old opm forces is called cassowary batallion from PVK. The last governor of west papua was descendant of these early group leaderships. As a result now West Papua is generally more safer and developed than Papua. Nowadays rebels are most active clustered in Central Highlands. Which is in Central and Highland Papua. These rebels are new groups formed after suharto collapse which activate many rebel groups such as in Aceh east timor and Papua. They are more rooted in highland culture of war. One warband groups is in practice rival with anothers, taking over rich valuable lands such as freeport tailing areas for gold etc, such as Sabinus Waker groups. Even in the past they are split to Pemka and Marvic factions. Nowadays these splits still exists, but with TRWP under damianus magai yogi and TPNPB-OPM under Goliath Tabuni (he is rumored to be retired as pig farmers sometimes mentioned surredered to indo gov) more active was Lekagak Telenggen his 'deputy'. TRWP and TPNPB are accusing each other of being Indonesian false flag ops.
*Freeport sulphur at first, then freeport mcmoran, then after transfer of half ownership to indonesian and papuan government it becomes freeport indonesia
Not USA as a whole as JFK, Sukarno, and Nicolaas Jouwe were involved in secret negotiations and planned ti be announced in 1964. This is from Nicolaas Jouwe's book, "Kembali ke Indonesia". Though many other motives, such as PKI, Konfrontasi and Freeport, JFK was killed, Sukarno was couped. Greg Poulgrain in his book "JFK Vs. Allen Dulles: Battleground Indonesia" said its CIA.
Welp fun fact most atrocities here are being led by our soon to be dictator soeharto. The attack, the referendum, and the oppression was done mostly by him alone.
Dutch backed Free West Papua mentioned but Pro Indonesia movement is not, same as what they did to natives. The Dutch played their naratives well to make Indonesia sounds like just snatched it.
Pasti Indonesia siapkan TU 16 ,,bisa nenggunjangkan as,,juga Inggris ..KLO kerajaan Belanda cukup itung jam bom nuklir tu 16 ,,juga kapal perang KRI,kapal selam kelas Cakra bisa meleburkan markas besar pelabuhan d Sorong dan biak!.. Imperialisme d Papua d hapuskan ...fakta sejarah
@@wazzup233 why would we be shamed from it? we already acknowledged it, learn from it & move on, we don't have white man guilt mentality, we accepted history as it is while also tried not repeat the worst of it in the near future
@Garren well it's not wrong tho, basically it's just different perspective with the same result, the problems is when the Western hemisphere tried to judge us meanwhile they done much much worst than Indonesia ever been in the last 4 centuries, we refuse those criticism because they just want to feel superior than us
do have to admire the audacity of encircling the New Guinean elders with mounted arms and telling them to put their hands up, then taking a picture and presenting it as the "Act of Free Choice"
As a dutch person there's a beautiful irony in freeing a country and it immediately saying "we can do worst". on the up side. relationship between indo's and Nederland are pretty good. we weren't "that bad" i guess haha.
Yeah, some of my reaaaly distant relatives migrated to Dutch, either as a free workforce, and later on some moved during the polizing act done by the dutch colonial effort. But still, that is 4-5 generations ago. I really like how we as a nation can establish quite a friendly relation with our former colonizer, such as japan and dutch. I hope this would continue on in the far future...😊
Salah sendiri duch menguasai west papua. Dan kolonial duch mendirikan negara hindia belanda dari sabang hingga meraoke, maka setiap bekas kolonalisme akan berakhir kepada negara pemenang perang 🤣🤣🤣
Tetapi Belanda belum menghormat kemerdekaan 1945. Belum bayar untuk serangan "politionele aktie" teroris terhadap RI. Mengapa orang Indonesia tidak "boycott" Belanda sampai itu?
Aset, investasi, lahan yg di beli belanda kepada kerajaan2 di indonesia, itu hak mereka, sedangkan nama Negara Republik indonesia serikat, merupakan negara mandala agung dari kesulthanan Yogyakarta yang mengklaim seluruh bekas kolonial belanda. Kerajaan RIS menghormati itu. Karena negara Indonesia belum ada sebelum itu.
west media never blow up this problem seriously, indonesia brutal action in the past backed by western goverment, but its just past time story, now papuan get better education, better opportunity to build their region
awal mula indonesia merdeka tidak seluas indonesia sekarang. dan saya salut dengan presiden pertama indonesia soekarno, menurut saya orang ini juga salah satu tokoh orang berpengaruh di dunia. indoneaia di awal kemerdekaan membuat negara bagian non blok untuk mendapat dukungan dunia melawan imperialisme. dan kemudian sukarno mendekati amerika agar dapat dukungan di sidang pusat, kemudian dia juga mendekati uni soviet dan mendapatkan ratusan senjata canggih. bahkan pihak soviet juga sudah mengkonfirmasi jumlah senjata akan terus bertambah jika perang besar terjadi di papua dengan belanda. dan indonesia memenangi wilayah papua dengan dukungan dari 2 negara besar soviet dan amerika. tak lama berselang indonesia kemudian menyerang inggris di tanah malaya, namun perang di sana tidak berselang lama karena indonesia negara masih muda keuangan belum stabil di tambah mulai muncul masalah pemberontakan internal. saya melihat soekarno seperti di matikan oleh pihak amerika karena mereka tau tokoh ini berbahaya di kubu amerika dan diam diam mempunyai pengaruh besar di dunia
After Soeharto fall, under new democratic goverment,,Papua saw significant improvement in HDI and Infrastructure, Indonesia govt gave more money then Indo gov recieve from natural resources. Soeharto was bad to the papuans, but he also bad to everyone in Indonesia in other island too. He is a dictator. Now, Indonesian west papuan is lead by native papuan him self in Indonesian goverment, Chief military and Police in west papau also held by papuan natives, Indonesia even have Native Papuan as Minister.
