"That's the right sentiment, and it's certainly a credible one coming from a man who has fought in a war ... " I love that Marbury shows his respect for Leo here.
Agree totally. Lord Marburg was a beautiful character, brash, loud, out there, but coming to the point spot on. This level of respect to those who disagree, imagine that in today’s world.
Took me a second. With Marbury always so sharp tongued, I thought it initially was some kind of a dig at Leo...not an incredibly kind gesture of respect.
@@Zypher77777 Marbury was very serious when it was required of him. Here he was essentially on the clock and acting as ambassador in place of England, he was very serious. His take on the missile shield is wrong though. Yes, a peer country would build a weapon to beat it. Now, we are seeing that come to fruition, we have a somewhat effective shield so hypersonics are being built by China and Russia to beat it However, there are other countries out there like North Korea and a missile shield is a great idea with rogue nations like that in the world.
Is he “Lord Marbury” whose first name is John, or John, the son of the real noble whose children get the courtesy title of “Lord Marbury” like Churchill’s father was “Lord Randolph Churchill”, the son then brother of the Duke of Marlborough (of the Churchill family)? They seem to address him in either fashion in his appearances.
God needs to help us save America. For the first time in my life, I had trouble singing 'God Save the Queen' at the Remembrance Day services this year. She's protecting her 2nd son Andrew by throwing her granddaughter-in-law to the wolves of the British tabloids. So, ..America is in the tank and the BRF is in the process of tanking and I seem to be losing all hope for the greater good.
oh, so VERY classy. Lord John was aloof...but when focused... considering all the other times,,, how disrespectful LJM was to 'Gerald', this was nice to see.
@@googoo-gjoobI never really felt he was disrespectful, but rather taking digs at him because he knew how much it bothered Leo, but that they both held each other with some regard. This scene proves that to me.
this. endless this. showing respect but still disagreeing. (2019 US gov completely lacks this ability. not a slam to trump - as cult45 will assume - but just admiration for the concept of actively respecting people ... while politely FACTUALLY disagreeing.) I miss pre-2017.
Lord John Marbury - one of the best guest stars on this fine series. I love the interaction between him and Leo. My favorite is Marbury's line, when he's debating with Leo and Marbury lists his educational credentials and finishes with "I'm am, you know, exceedingly stupid...". Priceless!
I rather like when they’re arguing about the shield before and Marbury tells him that “any argument you make in its defense will surely be… (pause)… moronic.”
That was my favorite line, but I always understood it as he acknowledging after thinking it over that, although they won the war, they lost the battle for public opinion in the long term. That fits in well with his center left positions throughout the show. Did anyone else saw it that way?
@ABritishGuy Imperialism in 1982 is not a pretty face. And what became of it? swap Argentina with Chile, that has been the net result. It just is not a good look when a world power fights a war of ownership over land 10,000 miles away.
Bit of a reference to the Falkland Islands here… for those who aren’t familiar, it was an unofficial war between Argentina and the UK in the 80s. The UK ‘won’, but war was never really declared in the first place. That’s why his reaction to hearing that he was beat by Argentina was a bit slow😂. The writing on this show😍
Maybe even more than the writing, I love how this show nailed the casting. From the main and supporting cast to recurring characters and especially guest stars too. Just spot on.
Great series but someone didn't do their due diligence. When referring to Queen Elizabeth II as the UK's head of state, it is either Her Majesty or Her Britannic Majesty.
I love this scene. It reminds me of the time I got to meet Sir Christopher Meyer in early 2003. He was the UK Ambassador to the US at the time this episode aired.
Martin Sheen showed that he is a great actor by doing that putdown line about golf. Sheen is an avid golfer and played in many celebrity charity tournaments with his golfing buddy, Michael Douglas.
It’s always good to get outside opinions. But it’s good to see that rational people don’t lose their head when they hear an opinion they may not like or disagree with.
Lots of other errors, too. She's not "Her Royal Majesty", she's "Her Majesty" (or in this context potentially "Her Britannic Majesty"); and he can't be both "Lord John Marbury" (which would make him the younger son of a peer) and "Lord Marbury" (which would make him a peer in his own right). I love this programme, but I am sure the US State Department gets protocol right, and I think it's a shame the people who made The West Wing didn't bother to do their research.
@@timothyjames6412 correct. In this context, she would be referred to as Her Brittanic Majesty. And it is the United Kingdom And you are spot on in his titles. In Dead Irish Writers, he refers to himself as “John, Lord Marbury, Earl of Croy, Marquess of Needham and Dolby, Baronet of Brycey.” The highest of those is the Marquess. Unless he held that in his own right, he would be the son of a Duke. His titles are all fubar
@@timothyjames6412 Sorkin's a brilliant writer of dialogue and deep thoughts, but sometimes you want to facepalm at his lack of research. He gets almost nothing right when it comes to military dialogue.
'.....they say a statesman is a politician who's been dead for 15 years....' Goddamn. What a great line! I wish I'd said that! This show was so well written. By that I mean, it was written for ADULTS...not kids.
Had to look it up...plen·i·po·ten·ti·ar·y a person, especially a diplomat, invested with the full power of independent action on behalf of their government, typically in a foreign country.
Technically, Lord John Marbury is the Ambassador from the Court of St. James... and we tend to refer to the sovereign as Her Majesty, not Her Royal Majesty, but I suppose I’m nitpicking.
It wasnt a falkland Island reference-we defeated a ragbag of unwilling, uncared for ,scared stiff conscripts. Its a reference to a Soccer World cup defeat by Argentina who won through a cheating use of the hand
The scene always makes me smile. This ladies and gentlemen is how people should act, with respect. Respect for their differences and sense of patriotism, that each acknowledge and respect. And to think they were at war with each other some 300 years ago. Maybe we can learn something from Lord John.
Anyone from Thailand around? I know it's customary to receive items from another person with both hands in some asian countries, is a custom in Thailand too?
I mean, for us (I’m Thai), it is considered more courteous to accept/receive with two hands as opposed to one, but with regards to whether or not it is a “custom”, I cannot answer that for you :(
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Not sure how that's more likely. The Falklands is at least political which is the topic of the show. The only time I can recall sport being even mentioned on this show is throwing a basketball out the window of the campaign office, Juwan Howard guest starring or when they are betting on nfl teams. I doubt there's any way to discern which of us are closer.
Actually Her Majesty is Queen Elizabeth the second of England, Wales and Ireland (the Northern part that is) She is Queen Elizabeth of Scotland. No first second or other numeral. When Elizabeth Tudor was monarch she was not the ruler of Scotland. So Elizabeth Windsor is simply Queen Elizabeth in Scotland.
i always wonder what kid of gifts does the White House give to a new ambassador. I mean it's not like a coffee mug from the gift shop. And i wonder if it's always the same or does it change based on the country or the president at the time and who picks it out. I love these little BTS moments of the White House
@Ignatius Q. Snerd, II, Esq. yes all of that is true. But it is just as proper to say "Queen of Canada" or "Queen of Australia" if its in reference to that country's head of state
It's funny (prolly someone has pointed it out already) but no British earl would call himself 'lord name surname' - That particular style is used by younger sons of dukes and marquesses, or even style himself as 'the hereditary earl of something'. It's irksome and I'm not even a Brit.
It's worth mentioning that there's a joke when Lord Marbury gets informed that hewas beaten by Argentina. You'll notice that the actor seems to be at a loss for words for a second. That's because, since1982, the relationship between the two countries got strained by the Argentinians invading some british possessions, the Falkland Islands. The British promptly kicked them out in a ten week campaign.
Thing is, you’d never say Her Royal Majesty, it’s just Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. I’m always surprised how often great shows get these details wrong!
John Marbury is a Marquess (at least in one of the non-contradicting conversations he has about his peerage,) so it should actually be: The Most Honourable John, Lord Marbury, Marquess of Croye and request you accept his credentials from Her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth II as the Ambassador of the Court of St. James Or something closer to that effect. Great Britain in and of itself doesn't have an Ambassador to the US, the King or Queen does-technically.
Why did the writers refer to Great Britain rather than the United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)? I'm just curious. Ignorance or deliberate?
The lord should have responded "again??" When the president told him you were beat by Argentina 🤣🤣🤣 (alluding to the world cup and the so called hand of God)
"We build a shield and somebody will build a better missile." Yeah well someone is going to build a better missile regardless if the shield is built or not so... build the shield.
@@paulhenderson2895 That was 1986 ('hand of god'). In 1998, the year previous to this episode, Argentina beat England again by the narrowest of margins: after drawing 2-2 at full time, the penalty shoot-out went 4-3 in Argentina's favour.
As I recall: proper protocol would require this ambassador to be spoken of as... not from Great Britain, nor from the United Kingdom... but from the Court of Saint James's. WW goofed it in regards to Thailand as well. The head of state is referred to as HM King Bhumibol [pronounced "boomybon"]
The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland is the name of the country. A person from that country is British! Not very hard to understand is it? Well maybe for americans I suppose..
shriramvenu For purposes of diplomatic protocol, one refers to the ambassador from the United Kingdom as the ambassador from the Court of Saint James's; John F Kennedy spent part of his youth in London as the son of the ambassador to the Court of Saint James's. Archaic, sure... but that's how it goes. Diplomatic protocol can strike an outsider as convoluted and often goofy, but those who engage in that sphere tend to adhere to its strictures with great tenacity. Thousands of Vietnamese and GIs died while the diplomats worked out the size, shape, and seating arrangements, for the table at the negotiations in Paris, for example.
*If I remember right...the 'House of Lords' is being allowed to 'die out' due it's hereditary 'Titles' being irrelevant in the modern World...when the last of the current batch is gone, the 'Lordship' title will become a relic*
Since some current hereditary titles are already more than 700 years old, it will take a long time before the last of the present crop of titles disappears.
@@anthonycunningham8116 *They are 'one and the same' since a 'Commoner' cannot be a 'Lord' without the reigning Monarch declaring it or by 'Blood Right of Inheritance' declared by some previous King/Queen* (*save your childish 'Ums' and 'Nopes' for someone who'll be impressed with what an ill-informed twit you are* )
