Western defence spending essential to defeat ‘autocratic tyrant’ Putin | Hamish de Bretton-Gordon 

This woman has totally lost the plot !!!

He's right, she's wrong!

Oh, we could win a war with de-carbonization! What a complete fool. Who chose her for a real interview.

Grace is a total clown.

She is another appeaser

It's clear that Grace did not grow up in the shadow of a world war. She didn't see the effect on her father who served, her mother who never saw her big brother again, or a grandmother who never came to terms of the loss of her oldest son on Iwo Jima. Without a strong defense, a nation leaves itself vulnerable. A well defended nation makes enemies think twice

Sorry Grace I think you are wrong

This lady is crazy.

I'm sure Poland could have benefited from better schools and hospitals in 1939.

Hamish is correct

Unfortunately Grace could cause alot of damage to society if we don't spend on defence. Maybe she need to learn some history.

Grace is so removed from ordinary society and it shows.

Glad Grace is not in charge. Jeez

That woman is an absolute deluded soul. She circumvents the question on how to deal with him right now.

What planet is that lady living on?

Grace is clearly an educated young woman, but naive. Civilization is just a veneer... If you keep one eye on the past, you are blind in one eye, but if you forget the past, you are blind in both... You may not want war, but war will find you. So if you want peace, Prepare for war. Ex. RE Ubique

Grace needs to visit Ukraine.

Hamish is 100% right. If you can't see what Putler is aiming for you need to OPEN YOUR EYES

the like I left for this video, was not for Grace.

Is Grace for Real? It's way past April fools, but whenever she was speaking I felt like I was watching a very dry Day Today parody.

Doesn't she need to go back to secondary school and start from there; right back to zero as far as studying basic human history and human psychology?

Hamish is absolutely correct. We must spend on deterrents to reduce risk of war . Grace is drowning in her green policies to see the wood for the trees.

It astonishes me how naive and ignorant Grace was in this interview. Putin found new markets for his fossil fuels some time ago and Britain ‘decarbonising’ won’t have the slightest impact on anything. Grace lives in a land of make believe precisely because she has not been exposed to the brutal realities of geopolitics and life beyond the comfortable, likely privileged, liberal bubble she evidently inhabits. To utter the word ‘decarbonisation’ in response to the question ‘how are we going to deter Putin from further aggression in Europe in the next several years’ was one of the daftest things I’ve heard from an ‘expert’ in years!

Hamish is one the best communicators in this war.

How did you get this woman from 1938 to be a guest on the show today? Political decision? The question is not WHAT TYPE of decision to go to war is. The questions is, WHO gets to make that decision. Hamish, as usual, is spot on. From Champaign, Illinois, USA.

Let's be thankful grace is not. in power. The naive mentality that led us in ww2. We have history to tell us how to respond

All bets are off for being carbon neutral once there’s a nuclear exchange.

Like it or like it not our defense is our number one priority.

Grace is a great example of Gen Y and it doesn’t bode well for the future of the West.

Today I learned: 1) Stop being hysterical about an active genocide 2) More green energy could've avoided this 3) Whatabout the defense industry totes profiting

I'm afraid the world has gone past. "Let's live in peace and harmony." You can't even leave the door of your house or car unlocked in your own neighbourhood, not to talk of your border.

Who decided to give her a voice in this? Putin?

Putin will not stop at Ukraine.

Apparently, Grace has never heard of peace through superior firepower.

It's like Grace is living on another planet. I think she should honestly declare that she doesn't fear the "Russian Mir"; that if we allow Putin to re-establish the boundaries of the USSR and its satellite countries, we should live without war. Then, just maybe, we in Western Europe might have shorter waiting lists for hospital attention, and never mind the loss of the many freedoms currently enjoyed in countries further East. That's not only unethical, it's utterly selfish.

Hope she likes speaking Russian

This lady is living in a fantasy land…..maybe some time in North Korea would give her a better perspective on why military defense spending is vital.

Where did you find Grace? I am actually shocked at the level of her ignorance. This woman must have slept through every one of her modern history classes in school. The purpose of a strong defense is not to seek war but to prevent it. The British Military has been absolutely gutted over the past 30 years to subsidize social welfare programs but none of this matters if you can’t maintain the peace. Does she think that Ukrainian social welfare program expenditures were part of Putin’s calculus when he decided to invade that country? We can learn lessons from Ukraine, specifically that it is far more difficult to establish a military, procure hardware and supply chains after you have been invaded than it is to do so before a war. The cost to society in terms of lives lost and damage to the economy has been tragic in Ukraine.

So Grace is talking about avoiding buying oil from Russia as being the best alternative rather than understanding that anyone can be s**t in the head just becase Putin said so... Not to mention about avoiding the direct answer to the question on to HOW to defend against someone who wants to blow your entire city just for fun... I really don't understand in what world she lives in...Just like her answer, seeing me write what she said doesn't make any sense.

Grace is getting some Russian money it seems

the cost of not going to war is higher

She has no idea. She needs to learn her history. She should go to Ukraine for a year and get educated.

Needs to be more than 2.5% and now, not in 2030.

Thanks, Times Radio.

The UK is lost listening to women like this 😢

Grace is out with the fairies, sorry.

Hamish, 1; Grace, 0

The point is that the west must stand up to Putin.

Hamish speaks with knowledge and sense. Grace hasn’t got a clue.

The world needs to stop being dependent on oil asap. Both world wars spread to so many countries because of fights for oil.

she’s wrong

U.K. used to spend 6% of GDP 50 years ago. They've been free-riding off of U.S. defence for 30 years. No longer.

The political system in UK is rotten 😂😂😂

Grace isn’t credible for me.

Dangerous mix of arrogance and ignorance displayed in full by Grace, who belongs to the Jeremy Corbyn school of geopolitics. It wasn't a "fascinating" viewpoint from her, but utterly bereft of any understanding of a grown-up and carefully considered worldview. I have a question for Times Radio: who picked her for this utterly pointless interview?

4% GDP UK should be on, if not more

Poor Grace is thinking in the past

What is she on, terrifying

Jesus….She hasn’t got a skooby Doo……it’s genuinely scary to listen to the naivety of her thought process

Grace is your typical "activist" individual who has absolutely no idea about what she's talking about, but has a strong opinion on the matter and wants to defend it. "Decarbonization", every time I hear one of those clowns talk about decarbonization, I ask them about the myriad of industrial processes which cannot "all of a sudden" become electric, and tied to a solar panel. I ask them precisely what alternatives there are. Or more simply, air travel. Shall we stop it? Are these activists going to make electric planes that actually work ? And electric cars, do they have any clue what kinds of logistic and technological challenges companies like Tesla are facing? How about the lack of charging infrastructure? How about the fact that the same clowns were protesting nuclear power, which led Germany to shut down all of them (probably the single stupidest political act in Europe in the last 50 years, when it comes to energy). They are absolutely clueless. She thinks Putler is going to stop a massive war because he won't be able to sell oil to the West? Seriously? I think we found Napoleon reincarnate.

What's the solution? Go back in time and fix everything. Genius.

This Megalomaniac criminal

She may have been right about decarbonization lessening Russia's revenue and therefore threat in the past, but the fact remains that we are we are now and Putin must be stopped, *today.*

Do you really think people are going to fight for this country after what our government has done to it. It's not England anymore.

Smartest woman. She’s Absolutely right.

❤Ukrainian ❤

Thank you for an interesting interview. Great to see that the UK remains a moral compass with credence,

Grace needs to have a word with herself,and re educate herself

If Grace was a solicitor and this debate when taking place in a judiciary/trial setting any decent judge would rule her arguments 'irrelevant' and to be taken of the record.

Putin has never said he want to take Poland, Latvia etc. that’s just false.

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Grace could really benefit with a trip to Bucha and some realistic education.

Grace says 'we've' let them (who is 'we've' btw); but wouldn't she and those of the same views, have said exactly same10 years ago, when Putler COULD have been stopped? So when exactly were we NOT to let them?

I think most people are just laughing at the russian army and putin now😂

I am sure there were British people who said the same thing when the German dictator was expanding Germany just before WW2 started. "We have better ways to spend our money than on the military. Have tried all the peaceful and cheaper options to avoid war? Can't we just give him Denmark and hope that is enough?". Then when the German bombers started leveling parts of London, these same people probably said, "What do you mean we don't have enough fighters to stop this?". The only positive thing I can say about Grace's comments is that she was polite and respectful of what Hamish was saying, as was he when she responded. It is really unfortunate when you have a neighbor like Russia, but when you do, you either spend the money and effort necessary to handle Russia or Russia will spend the money and effort needed to handle you.

Why did the West give Ukraine the weapons it needed at the beginning of the war?

She’s young, foolish and idealistic. Our freedoms have been fought for by previous generations and we are going to have to fight for them again soon I’m sorry to say.

Grace; “ Yes yes, that’s all very well talking about history but we are missing the important thing here!. What is the correct pronoun?”

She has no clue 😂

I dont feel Grace has any idea. 2.5% of GDP is simply not enough, solid and bold action needs to be taken now with regards to upgrading and enhancing our military capabilities, and drip feeding the increase over 6 years is simply not recognising the threat - as Grace is clearly not also. Defence costs money, a lot of it, and the only way to beat a bully is to stand up to them, if you dont, then it wont matter how long the NHS waiting list is. Nobody wants war with Russia, but that won't stop it coming if Putin decides he wants it. Action is needed today, not in 2030

Grace sounds like she's ready to surrender. She should go live in ruZZia for a while. As to waiting lists for medical care. There's a doctor shortage. People who used to go into medicine have many options today they didn't use to have. They can earn a good living without being around sickly people. Nothing will change that.

Why have infants like this "Grace" on?

Well, what, who? She belongs to a generation that never have fought for anything and thinks war is a choice.

Grace's opinions betray a mental process which is much closer to zero-sum, that sum being the notion that "all we have to do is take care of home first". Isolationism is *always* a losing strategy even as it *may* be a short-term/tactical win, ergo, why it is always a poor policy.

Western already broke😂😂😂😂

He is still there!

That woman has no idea what she is talking about.... The uk is spending almost nothing... during the cold war they were spending up to 10% GDP on the military , its only 2.5% now... in war time like Ukraine now it goes way up to 40%... so even if the Uk spent 3% is still hardly anything compared to what they were spending in the 60s 70s etc.... there army air force and navy is half the size of what it was in 1990 during the Gulf war...they only have 40% more ship numbers than Australia yet in 1940 that would of been 1000% more. She clearly does not understand the concept if a strong miliitary makes a country safer and saves money.... look at Poland they know what is going on and they have the best Army in NATO now not including the US, these new age art type people live in a bubble , when war comes to them they cry for there mummy or GOV and blame everyone else yet there the ones that dont like spending... we have them in AUS too the greens party... they think diplomacy can prevent war... yeah giving up half your country for free great idea NOT

Healthcare and the environment are very important subjects but they belong in a completely different argument because metaphorically speaking we have potentially a meteorite hurting towards us which needs to be addressed urgently.

What a surprise a journalist doesn’t know anything about war. I’m shocked

She sounds like a guy called Chamberlain...

She needs to wake up and smell the coffee, wait till the war comes to UK and wot is she gonna do? Try and tell the Russians that war is bad and we should love each other

Its strange that Grace repeats the pre 1st and 2D WW. Arguments so naively

Take grace to the front line for a few weeks then redo the discussion.

Oh! How I wish Hamish is wrong.

Nice to here someone talking sence about the cuts over many years to all departments of the military this as left us in an extremely vulnerable position .

Grace needs a saving grace she's living on cloud coocoo land So us using less oil would have stopped putter 😅

Some people think if we hold hands and sing kumbaya, little house of solar pannela and wind mills are the answer are suffering from delusions of grandeur. The bullies only understand one thing strength.

How much would Britain have spent to avoid WWI? There is no way to decarbonize the world enough to replace fossil fuels. Where do you get these people?

That Grace woman stands for all that is wrong in this world right now

This interview will not age well for one of these two commentators. Two years from now it will be interesting to look back.