47 years ago we moved to Quakers Hill as young marrieds. As they started to talk about the airport we started to plan our escape. 32 years ago we moved to Newcastle, best move ever.
The type of aircraft movement need to be considered more with the proposal and within the overall excitement of getting a new airport. From the video it appears that the airport proposal begins with 7 aircraft stands and 4 cargo stands. Now consider that your typical heavy international aircraft takes upwards of 90 minutes to turn around, and similar sized freight aircraft may be on the ground for up to 3 hours, and I see that the capacity will become clogged very quickly. The only benefit from the airport will be it’s 24 hours of operation which increases capacity by time and not parking spaces. Unfortunately the airport will remain a satellite airport of Sydney, not attracting the likes of the ME3 and flights from China and mainland USA. The “international flights” will be the low cost flights to NZ and other low capacity destinations around Australasia. Moving freight out of SYD would be a good idea, freeing up space at SYD for expansion and developing that part of the international terminal where the freight aircraft are parked at present.
I have viewed many drone clips of the new WSA that are terrific. I also have a good relationship with Arterra Interactive, which has created many of the Construction Animation for this new airport. What lacks is a comprehensive explanation of timeframe in relation to infrastructure, your video supplies this. Great work! Thanks for creating and sharing. DM.
Western Sydney airport needs a station at leppington will connect it to the Kingsford quicker than St marys. Can't wait to fly out of this airport. Great job on the video
Unfortunately vision for something extraordinary has been missed as something people want to see rather than necessary to use. No vision for high speed public transport that services a far flung location.
Western Sydney International Airport will be a great airport that might just unlock so much potential for the greater sydney region. Love Your video so much details, so much work, well done.
Im really excited for the airport because im a resident of Sydney’s Greater West, and i work in freight, im excited for the job prospects of the airport. Being employed by Qantas and easily living in my suburb is a good prospect.
what looks like "the middle of nowhere" to you was someone's farm or home. I agree we need the new airport but lets not forget what we loose by building it. As for new cities, look up THE MULTI FUNCTION POLIS proposed for Adelaide in the eighties, it is still the middle of nowhere.
The land for the new airport was resumed for it in 1973 - over fifty years ago! It has only been rented out since. Anyone renting there knew what they were getting - in fact they got to stay in that farm or house for far longer than they had any right to expect.
A very well structured and presented review of the new Airport and the rationale behind its location. I would have liked to have seen more constructive criticism of the planned road and, especially the poor rail access. Extending the existing rail line out from Leppington concurrent with the airport opening, would provide an efficient and timely rail connection to Kingsford Smith Airport and the city. The current proposal via St. Mary's is a long and circuitous route to the city - only good for the north-western residents wishing to access the new airport.
Thanks for watching! I personally think it'll suffice in the interim, and at least they've started a business case for a Leppington extension. Well, hopefully bus services are plentiful enough at the onset.
Is a train link between the 2 airports important? I've been to many cities with multiple airports and have never felt the need to travel between two airports.
@@BuildingBeautifully a lot of people are just going to drive to the new airport instead as the initial public transport options will be pretty subpar.
Fabulous presentation. Thanks. WSA looks like one of those rare things: formal planning that gets us the goods. I'd hope that the road system is designed to expand dramatically. In peak hour (which lasts about 4 hours each end of the day) the M7 is a snail convoy; it will have to be 4 lanes each way instead of 2. The rail link will also need to move people around the Sydney Basin quickly. 10 minutes to Parramatta, 20 to the Sydney CBD if we are serious about connections.
As a lot of the air traffic will likely be freight for several years - it is unlikely that newer tech will have much impact overall for at least a decade. As mainly older craft are used for freight.
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most. No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores. No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it. This universal truth applies to all systems. Energy, like time, flows from past to future".
I hope you are right a about jet noise. 24 hour operation may cause sound problems for the people who live in Western Sydney. Traffic and noise abatement may need more attention. Fight paths have not been addressed to the satisfaction of the people of Western Sydney.
I agree though flight plans have been available along with state road plans for the area. We are one of the lucky ones in the area..though i hope this isn't an issue of changes and red tape in near future
Its not just the noise, its also air pollution from unburned air fuel permanently blended in the air during the massive engine take off full throttles. I lived for 6 years in Tempe near Kingsford airport and could cough my lungs off 24/7. Since I moved to Northern Beaches, my coughing has completely stopped within a year. You can not fight progress and people need transportation - but there should be massive buyouts and housing relocations for people who do not want to pay by their health for it.
Not a single mention previously in the other posts of the fact that this airport is directly next to a World Heritage Area. Only the second such airport construction in the world after Banff in Canada (which is much much smaller) . This airport will likely adversely impact impact tourism in the Blue Mtns National Park (after an initial bounce in numbers of visitors). Blue Mtns village residents will be also adversely impacted by the 24x7 no curfew factor..
I bet they won't build anything around the airport until 2050 based on what we have seen with development around Sydney Metro Northwest stations. They should have built the developments in conjunction with the metro line and airport to not only fund the projects but also to utilise the infrastructure, rather than the current situation which is leaving the second step to private developers that charge triple the price if the development was built prior to the airport and metro opening.
Love the vid - had a laugh at Google map's very optimistic 1-hour to the CBD. Let's just say I wouldn't want to arrive on a 3pm flight and catch an Uber
This felt like a bit of a circle jerk. Maybe he is on the payroll. If you build a new airport in a world city in the 2020s and not give it a train connection to the CBD what are you even doing?
The new airport will service the city centres of Blacktown, Liverpool and Penrith. What about Campbelltown; or don't we count?? And Leppington station is already operating . . .
Great video and thank you 🙂 As a Melbourne resident who can’t readily visit the site, I have a couple of questions to ask. While the concept is really exciting, will the envisioned new developments at Luddenham and Bradfield be affected by aircraft noise? And once WSA is up to speed, what is going to happen to Kingsford-Smith? Will it close or will it’s role change to something like Bankstown has at present?
Thank you! I'd imagine they'd be affected, though I do believe Luddenham is far away enough to not suffer horrible noise; not so sure about Bradfield. As for Kingsford Smith, it'll stay open. Still an important airport that will serve most of the city east of Parramatta. WSA will take many years to become established, especially since for a majority of Sydneysiders it's further away. But once it is established, one can hope it will be a far better airport!
No, KSA with 3 runways and enormous existing infrastructure, will still remain, BY FAR, the dominant airport for Sydney FOR MANY DECADES to come, operating concurrently, but more importantly, in a COMPLEMENTARY manner to the new WSA. It is not widely mentioned, but WSA will MOSTLY service the local Western Sydney residents, and NOT those incoming international tourists, etc, that want to predominantly transit to the Sydney CBD. Which makes perfect sense, if one thinks logically about it! Local residents/businesses people, living in Penrith, Blacktown, Camden, Liverpool, etc, will naturally want to use WSA, given that it is much closer, provided their desired flight operates from there. Why travel to a Bunnings store 40 kms away, when you have one that is in your own “backyard”. All the major airlines, particularly domestic, will re-route a whole heap of flights to operate from WSA, which formerly flew from KSA. For example, I suspect that about 20-30% of the most popular Sydney-Melbourne route (currently about 50 flights per day!) will be re-routed to WSA, thus taking pressure of KSA. It will be a win-win! The only exception will be those flights (mostly international) that will be arriving from midnight to 6am, which will have the opportunity to operate at the new WSA, due to it not having a curfew. I also suspect that WSA will have somewhat lower landing fees and charges, thus providing a financial encouragement for airlines to operate more of their flights from WSA.
WSA will probably be more ideal to take a larger cut of the logical and air freight in Sydney. Many of the new 'mega' warehouses and distribution centres is being built or have already moved to Western Sydney.
If the main selling feature of Western Sydney Airport is taking 20% syd to mel flight slots out of mascot, then it should have been high speed rail and taken 50% of those flight slots plus more than 50% of Sydney to Canberra flight slots to further extend the life of mascot and provide environmental benefits for domestic travel.
As always you’ve put together a great presentation but I do question it’s impact on nearby housing. If it will be so low why are the flight paths being kept so secret for so long
The M7 is only four lanes, way too congested now. The new Airport Metro link needs to be six lanes from the beginning, leaving room for eight lanes in the near future, while there's still space!
60km is far to long. I think the need for a second airport is there and it is smart they are building it now. Sydney KS airport has curfews which stop planed landing during then night. I think Melbourne got their airport done properly. Only 20km out of the city centre (far enough away but close for people to get to) and has no curfew
It’s going to be a great airport. However, negatives are: No highspeed direct rail link to the CBD, like in Hong Kong. Forcing passengers to go through St Marys on the exising rail network is not a great solution. No fuel pipeline from the source, just imagine how many fuel trucks daily will travel on Sydney roads to keep the planes flying. Not good.
Now we just need an airport in Melbourne’s outer south east, an break the monopoly of Melbourne (Tullamarine) Airport that is no where near the majority of the population.
I reckon in addition to the Metro to St Marys, I think they should also extend the Parramatta Light Rail to the new Aerotropolis via the right of way of the Parramatta - Liverpool Transitway. Reply with your thoughts to my idea
While the airport and surrounding areas might be functional and attractive, there is a bigger issue. Should we continue expanding westwards, building on some of the most agriculturally productive land in the state? Where are we going to grow food? Development over the last few decades has destroyed a large proportion of the market gardens that supplied Sydney with fresh fruit and vegetables. Now, a large proportion of those foods have to be imported, mostly from other states, but sometimes from overseas. While the airport may be environmentally sensitive, what consideration has been given to the consequences? Lets just look at food. Bringing fruit and vegetables from remote locations like Queensland and Western Australia to feed Sydney people is bonkers. How much fuel is used to do this? How old is the produce by the time it appears in the shops? How much of its nutritional value has been lost? There is a bigger picture that needs to be addressed.
"some of the most agriculturally productive land in the state"? You are joking - the good soils are all to the south towards Camden or north on the Hawkesbury floodplain. It is probably the most barren part of the Sydney Basin. The giveaway is there is no dairy farming there (unlike in those other locations) despite its proximity to market. You need to go out and have a look at the place before saying that.
I always will wonder why they couldn’t enlarge Bankstown, Newcastle or Canberra airports. The future of air travel is rather uncertain and probably the least green way to travel. They could have had the train lines and Bagerys Creek was good prime farm land.
Bankstown - no room for a runway and too many houses too close. Canberra - too far and also too foggy (what ruled out the whole Southern Highlands). Newcastle - also too far and hard to build the necessary transport links (terrible topography and geology). All these alternatives and several others to boot were systematically looked at in a long public inquiry. Air transport uses less fuel per person-km than land transport so putting airports a long way from peoples' final destination uses MORE, not less, fuel.
No - these days for things like that they use wood laminate with some high-tech glues. Much nicer looking but, more importantly, far more sound absorbing. And at least as strong.
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There is already a majority of people in Greater Sydney who will live closer in travel time to WSI than to Mascot, and that majority will grow. Not everyone lives in the eastern suburbs.
Missed an opportunity to criticise a lack of high speed public connection between the airport and Sydney. A car to Penrith or a metro to Rouse Hill isn't giving.
Mmmmm. I enjoy your videos but there are a few unmentioned negatives. One of the main reasons it's being built there is to serve the goods transport/export/import industry which is largely located in western Sydney. This is why it might operate 24/7. There will be strong opposition as thousands of people will be affected by noise. The chief negative about its location will be air pollution. It's a long way from the ocean and hot polluted air will be trapped in the western suburbs 6 months a year at least, when no favourable winds are blowing. The costs to peoples health from noise and aviation fuel pollution have been ignored. It's a case of, those who can't afford to live in better areas will suffer. It's already unbearably hot in the western suburbs. Air conditioning will be essential just to breath clean air.This adds to energy supply problems.
Yes - the new airport will be at least as much about freight as passenger traffic, at least in the early years. This is something a lot of commentators, including our poster, have ignored. At 3am the noise from the B-Doubles is going to be much more of a problem than airplane noise. That is why they need a heavy rail connection, not a metro (as well as for the dirct connection to Mascot and the CBD).
As you covered, the curfew is what's majorly limiting Kingsford Smith and Sydney. I think this airport is perfect to support the western growth of Sydney and potential support close small town development
Australian citizens have never taken city planning for granted. Our cities are a mess with absolutely no planning from day one. Small Colonial towns turned into a unplanned spaghetti bowl cities of bad architecture that had absolutely no thought of growth in mind. Just add ons with no cohesion
Why do residents in Sydney get a curfew so they can sleep but us poor bastards in Western Sydney get no curfew and will have to put up with aircraft noise over our beds all night long? The people of Penrith and Blacktown have need sleep too.
Penrith (especially) and Blacktown are too far away for aircraft noise to be much of a problem - look at the noise contour maps they've provided. If I was you I'd be far more worried about the continual stream of B-Doubles near it. That's because WSI is first and foremost a FREIGHT airport but has no heavy rail connection to it. Nor a pipeline for the fuel.
@@JamieJoseph88 I think the point he was making was that Adelaide airport serves a capital city and it would have less passengers than WSA when it isn’t a capital city.
@@JamieJoseph88 Why? Perth had nothing to do with his point. No-one has forgotten you're over there. How could we after the last 2 years? I'm sure Perth will get a mention some day, when it's relevant.
“Build it, and they will come” What an ignorant statement. Just like all the ghost cities in China huh Bradfield is unnecessary, just create 3 main CBDS in Sydney. East CBD (the current one), Central CBD (Parramattta) and West CBD (Penrith Area, north of new airport). Have East CBD for predominantly government and the public sector, aswell as tourism, media and law, Central CBD for predominantly Business/Finance and Tech/IT and Penrith CBD for predominantly Engineering and Medicine/Health.
When it comes to preparing transport issues, Sydney does it much better than any city in Australia. Sydney's only transport woes/weakness, is attempting to replace the Freshwaters with some ugly craft called the Emeralds. The Emeralds will never match the beauty and the seaworthiness of the Freshwaters either, as some trials of the Emeralds have shown. The Freshwaters(Freshies) just plough through the waves, whereas the ugly ducklings, the Emeralds are trying their best, and not succeeding to ride the waves. No transport minister since the commissioning of said Emerald, has listened, or is listening to the general public who want all 4 Freshwaters on the Circular Quay-Manly run. Mr. Elliot doesn't seem to be listening either. I am not too sure if the transport dept will even bother to wake up. Maybe when the Freshwaters sink the present NSW government at the next state election, will they take notice. The Freshwater supporters, including me, have already fired many verbal shots, including a petition, across the respective NSW transport ministers' bows.
Yes... havnt you seen in time where we will be controlled by district gated communities ... i mean with augmented body parts its only possible that soon we will be walking androids with one class having sports and performance.. (luxury) for the one market Whereas the other segments get big w parts like Teac neuro network chips and Dunlop legs etc
If they don't force all international flights to the new airport it will be a white elephant. This is essentially the situation with Avalon. very unpopular and too far out of town.
Like Avalon it will mostly be used for freight - for which, like Avalon, it is much better situated than the existing airport. Avalon is not unpopular - just unpopular with the self-loading freight. Like WSI will be Avalon is a hive of activity through the night loading and unloading cargo.
Surely they can think of a better name than 'Western Sydney' ?!!! What about Heathrow, Thomas Santara, etc. We Should be ablate come up with a proper name, surely!?!?!???!??!???!!! Western Sydney AP...FFS!
I'm still not convinced this airport was really needed. Why not use Canberra as Sydney's second airport? At the moment, Canberra Airport is underutilised, there is no curfew and there is plenty of room to expand in the future. Canberra is 300km from Sydney which could easily be done in 1 hour on a high speed rail line. I feel that investment in a high speed rail between Sydney and Canberra would have been a far better investment than building this new airport from scratch. This in turn would encourage further investment in high speed rail which would be beneficial to many other parts of Australia. Too late now, I feel like it will not happen
Have you ever tried to fly out of Canberra in winter? It is usually closed for the whole morning due to fog in those months. Same goes for sites in the Southern Highlands that were mooted such as Mittagong.
