WFT Case Trimmer from Little Crow Gunworks (Overview)

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An overview of the Little Crow Gunworks WFT (World's Finest Trimmer) including setup and trimming with the standard model, as well as an overview of the Big Boy edition setup for 50 BMG.
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@christopherreddick5263 7 лет назад

Great video! I just got a WFT and seeing you set it up looked pretty easy. Thanks Gavin!

@robertbelknap1483 10 месяцев назад

223. 5 yrs, still working great. Best buy.

@jamessteers 3 года назад

I just started reloading and your videos really helped. You must shoot an awful lot to have this massive collection of stuff to work with

@davidbrown4449 4 года назад

After you receive your WFT, first thing to do is remove the end mill bit, which tend to dull to soon, take your calipers and measure the length and diameter. Find a supplier of end mill bits and get a nice carbide bit. The ones i use are 5-fluted finishing carbides, and they make a far superior cut.

@halbogatz600 Год назад

Love the way it indexes off the shoulder.

@michaelandersen5453 7 лет назад

They are great and so is the one you are mentioning. I have a little crown in .223 and you are right about them. But I shoot 5 different calibers and buying 5 is crazy. So with this new design multi caliber users can now afford there product. This was one of the reasons I stayed away other than the .223..

@koleenjoi21 7 лет назад

I bought a Giraud tri-way trimmer and I like it. I had a WFT but it didn't chamfer or deburr. The giraud tri-way is amazing.

@Ultimatereloader 7 лет назад

I've used the powered Giraud - amazing, but expensive! :)

@clintonsisler 2 года назад

I got one for 223 and I love it. After about 500 rounds the cutter dulled so I replaced it with a carbide end mill and I got through almost 15k rounds before it needed replacement. If I could recommend anything with this trimmer it would be to get a carbide end mill when you purchase the trimmer and throw the one away that comes with it.

@2pugman 7 лет назад

They are great time savers. Well worth the money.

@Prepare2Survive 7 лет назад

I use the RCBS 3 way cutter on the Hornady case prep center. It's an expensive setup costing around $400, but works great because it trims, chamfers and deburrs all in one step and it's very easy to adjust. Plus there's no need to hold the brass. Just clamp it in the case prep center and lower the top handle.

@trpshooter9945 5 лет назад

I use the same RCBS setup and for the money it is agonizingly slow. I'll bet you can't do more than 3 hundred cases before you get sick of depressing the handle removing the trimmed case,and then reinstalling the new one and listening to the thing turn at 25rpm. The RCBS powered case trimmer takes about 20 seconds per case, do the math, its not designed for bulk processing.

@mrhangfire1 7 лет назад

I attempted to replace my WFT trimmers (.223, .308,.30-06) with the RCBS Trim Pro 2 powered trimmer with three way cutter, but it is much too slow. I use the WFT (in the garage, b/c messy) to zip it down to length and the RCBS rig chamfers, deburrs, and finalizes length quickly. I also prep brass over the course of a week here and there, so the extra step is of little concern to me. I prefer to load once I have a nice bin of prepped rifle brass ready. I spin my WFT faster than in this video and it most certainly leaves the brass needing chamfer/deburr, but has trimmed about 7,000 pieces to date. Since I do thousands at a time, I use a glove with the thumb and forefinger taped up to prevent blisters.

@johndegidio8501 3 года назад

The WFT that I have, I have had for about five years. With mine, I can change to different calibers by changing the collar. The cutting bit that came with mine only had two blades. I change to a four blade because the two blade didn’t cut very well. I like this tool and would recommend.

@timf2279 2 месяца назад

I highly recommend this product.

@robertbelknap1483 Год назад

I use the 223 model works great 2 years ..excellent buy

@HardAssetsFTW Год назад

I trimmed 5,000 .223 Rem with this trimmer and the crappy bit that came with it. Still strokin’! God bless you all and let’s go shooting

@InSightFreedom 5 лет назад

Definitely checking them out 👍🏻

@johnsmith-yj2cn 3 года назад

have one and it work great to trim large amount of brass quickly

@johnmaliskey7951 Год назад

I have 3 and really satisfied with them. .................... enjoy

@ansebbianvonhessen7570 5 лет назад

Gavin how do you feel about resizing small primer pockets on .224 valkyrie Brass to Large Primer with a endmill as it seems that the Brass of the Valkyrie is not yet up to speck leaving the primers(small) so loose that they fall out!

@joshwaller6226 4 года назад

So new at this my press hasn't even arrived yet When using a hornady ap loader when do you trim seams like you would want to pull the case after priming and sizing but seams like it would be counter intuitive for a progressive press mostly going to be reloading 223 and 308 but some 9mm thank you for any insight you can offer

@qedsteve 3 года назад

I use a WFT for my 6.5 PRC loads. My other "plinking" loads (223 and 308) I'm a little more casual about case length.

@frenchaccent540 3 года назад

Would be nice to see a review about “Giraud trimmer” which does more than just trim 😊

@jiujitsu2000 7 лет назад

Excellent video brotha! Thumbs up from me... Thank you!

@ctglockguy743 7 лет назад

I use one and it's great!

@lawtonsegler1923 4 месяца назад

Got a Giraud Tri-Way and a $80 Harbor Freight drill press. The top of the drill press pops off by loosening two set screws and I lay it on its side. This drill press has adjustable speed so I run it near the max recommended by the trimmer instructions and it’s super fast. Now I can trim chamfer and deburr all in one shot, plus I have a drill press… :)

@The10thManRules Год назад

I use a 300 Blackout trimmer for 300 HAMR, works great.

@Boringunguy 5 лет назад

Have you noticed rings around the neck and body after resizing? Like the cutter is rubbing the case body and neck when trimming

@unioncreek 4 года назад

Good review on the trimmer. I've been wanting to get one. Can you tell me what the diameter and length (minus the endmill)?

@thegangvault2 7 лет назад

I have the .223 model and it is superb. It trims the brass so neatly that it DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CHAMFERED or deburred.... saves a ton of time.

@michaelandersen5453 7 лет назад

chamfering is not only done because to trimmed a case. you might want to look into that.

@michaelandersen5453 7 лет назад

They are not cheap $78 / caliber. But with the new style I just bought for my 7mm TCU and 6.5 Creedmoor with the main body I paid ~ $125. Now it will only cost me ~ $25 for a insert/caliber. Great thought pattern on Little crow gunworks part.

@ouruiz 7 лет назад

I have one in .223 Remington. it is really good for the money. A Giraud will cost $30 more and will cut the brass 3 ways (trim, chamfer and debur).

@tjarmand 5 лет назад

I have the wtf2 and its perfect I couldn't ask for a more perfect trim.. and easy to setup on the 4 diff cals I trim for..

@Letsroll000 4 года назад

In the market for a trimmer but have heard varying things concerning referencing from the shoulder vs the whole length of the case. What would you recommend before I pull the trigger and spend the cash? Spend the extra for the Dillon or would something like this suffice? Use will be for 556/223 currently but 308 soon. I prefer to buy the best option once rather than buy something to get the job done then have to purchase something else later for better accuracy or better efficiency. If that makes sense... and if this is that latter that's great, will get one ordered. Thanks in advance, great channel by the way. Awesome demonstrations and tips!

@fordvg 9 месяцев назад

I have two of them and love them.

@moushunter 3 года назад

How fast an RPM is that rated for? Can a cutter be had for it that will trim the cut edges from the inside and outside of the case mouths as it trims the length? That would be extremely handy.

@CarsFitnessMoney 4 года назад

This is another perfect example of why we'll never save money reloading.

@PiercedRivetHead 3 года назад

Given that - at this very moment - the least expensive 9mm ammunition is about 50cpr, and the cost of components--if you can get primers--is 17cpr (and that's if you buy once-fired range brass instead of using your own). 1000 bullets costs you $330 less to load yourself than buying. If you spend $2000 to buy a press, dies, gauges, tumbler, scales, etc., you break even at 6000 rounds. I get what you're saying, but reloading is playing the long game.

@chubbuck35 3 года назад

Doe sit also smooth the neck so it isn’t jagged?

@pbgd3 3 года назад

@Nevada Smith ehhhh depends which is more available to you money or time. So many have no ability to raise their wage so.... Load on.

@dand579 3 года назад

@Nevada Smith It takes time and adds frustration to always be shooting different bullets based on today's limited and inconsistent supply. By reloading I always get the bullet I want tailored for the particular game I'm playing.

@qedsteve 3 года назад

@@dand579 What you said ^^ is RIGHT ON. I go for consistency on pistol (9mm, 45ACP, 38/357), rifle (223, 308) as well but for accuracy on my 6.5 PRC, I go full anal-retentive and use the WFT to trim after firing.

@TylerJames-gf8ms 3 года назад

Thank you!!!

@gruntspy44 5 лет назад

Did you have to do any more adjusting on the tool?

@tc6818 2 года назад

How suitable is this trimmer for preparing 6.5 Creedmoor brass for long range shooting? Better than a traditional bench top case trimmer? I realize it's faster, but I'm wondering about accuracy/precision.

@johnmoore1290 3 года назад

Bench is way to neat and clean,has to be a digital recreation!

@MrMustang1973 7 лет назад

Is there a target RMP to use?

@willienorman4614 7 лет назад

Any recommendations on how fast to set your lathe, mill or drill press to?

@Ultimatereloader 7 лет назад

Recommended speeds of 1200-2500 r.p.m. consistently provided the best results - from: littlecrowgunworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/WFT_Instructions.pdf?v=7516fd43adaa

@johnzarollin2749 Год назад

wow it appears there's significant amount of manual gripping and twisting per case. Seems a lighter grip and briefer cutting time would be sufficient considering the amount of cutting needed for each case, i.e., +/- 0.005" .

@z33guru 3 года назад

Do you think this is worth the extra cash over the Frankford Arsenal Trimmer?

@andymann271 3 года назад

Hey Gavin, love your stuff. Do you still have to chamfer inside and out?

@jamesfreeman6025 Год назад

Yes you do.

@The_Draque 4 года назад

weird to me that i cannot find him doing any videos on any of Giraurds trimmers which in my experience are the absolute best...

@leefeatherston7014 6 лет назад

now that is a very fast and easy

@gclaytony 6 лет назад

What size end mill?

@stevensrspcplusmc 2 года назад

I would love to see a tactical 50 BMG build with a proof 50 BMG carbon barrel 👍😊🇺🇸

@brockedandloaded6034 3 года назад

If you were going to purchase one for the 6.5 creedmoor, would you get the Giraud, WFT, or Frankford Arsenal Universal?

@dand579 3 года назад

For any type of long range precision shooting you want case overall length for all your brass to be identical. This trimmer will be great for minute of angle-ish loads - 3-gun blasting ammo and general plinking. For sub MOA, I suggest you research the L.E. Wilson case trimmer, which can be used with a power drill attachment.

@brucer81 4 года назад

It would have been nice if you had done a before and after case measurement. But good video never-the-less.

@36736fps 7 лет назад

Trimming measuring from the shoulder would seem to be less meaningful than from the base, because crimping into the bullet cannelure is measured from the base.

@Ultimatereloader 7 лет назад

At the end of the day, it's about consistency: if you are sizing consistently, you have the same datum-to-case-rim distance, and will therefore have consistent seating depth for bullets. But, if you aren't careful, you could have some variance.

@trpshooter9945 5 лет назад

Apple's and oranges, trimming brass to spec has nothing to do with COAL. You trim brass to ensure it has not grown beyond the chamber dimensions.

@longshooter457 4 месяца назад

The head space mesurement has to be identical on all the cases for this to trim accurately. I found out the hard way.

@uncleben8895 6 лет назад

I am a brand new reloader and I could use some help. I have a full length trimmer but it is slower than drowning in a 6 inch deep ball pit. Can you trim just the neck like this with once fired brass from a public range? Would a longer shoulder to bolt face length cause chambering issues? The AR15 indexes at the shoulder correct? Not at the end of the cartridge like on a semi auto pistol? Does my full length sizing die take care of the shoulder to end length leaving just the case mouth needing trimmed? Basically could I use this on more than once fired brass or brass fired from other rifles?

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Yes, you can trim any 223/5.56 brass with this, the only things that are important are: 1. Make sure you've sized the brass first and 2. Make sure the trimmer is set to the correct length. Yes, 223 headspaces off the shoulder, just like this trimmer :)

@uncleben8895 6 лет назад

Thanks!

@lapualapua3591 3 года назад

Excellent case trimmer much quicker than lyman unit

@WHITEBELT44 4 года назад

Did the 50BMG content ever come out? I don’t remember seeing it

@Ultimatereloader 4 года назад

This will be the year! 2020!

@jheasley1 7 месяцев назад

Nice product, but there are too many other trimmers on the market, that also “chamfer and deburr in the same strep“. The Girard trimmer is one of them, if it worked similar to that I’d be interested

@ms004650 6 лет назад

how about showing how to change out an insert !!!

@inspectorkemp7439 Год назад

Have never reloaded but, want to start. Watching reviews to get a better understanding of the process and costs. What is this products advantage? They are $73 each not including tax and shipping. If I purchase say three, .556, 30-06 and 8mm Mauser that’s a total cost of around $250. and I still need to provide power source/tool. Why not just get a lyman xpress for 100 less. I’m not pushing anyone’s product just don’t see the advantages here. Your thoughts?

@cwby1978 5 лет назад

I love ❤️ mine

@redbengal2864 7 лет назад

I'm still new to loading for rifle. Why is this better than just using my Lyman trimmer that connects to my drill?

@Ultimatereloader 7 лет назад

Lots of tools to choose from: the WFT is fast- you don't have to chuck up the brass at all. :) And it can be used with a drill.

@redbengal2864 7 лет назад

That's true. Not having to chuck up the brass would save time. Thanks for the get back.

@MrSpook1968 3 года назад

Im new to reloading and am wondering if the cases need trimming after each use ? I have checked brass I have that has been fires more than once and it dosent seem to have grown any

@dand579 3 года назад

For typical 223 or 308 loads you might need to trim brass after 3 re-loads. For hot or magnum loads, you will trim more often, perhaps every load.

@MrSpook1968 3 года назад

@@dand579 I'm reloading 7mm rem mag and 44 mag

@homefront3162 7 лет назад

When I first saw this I thought you titled it WTF!

@Ultimatereloader 7 лет назад

Haha

@user-kq1bv4gi8t Год назад

Is this a 3 in 1 trimmer ?

@wisemechanic1758 Год назад

Did he say he trims .020 under spec?

@jjs811 7 лет назад

Looks like you need to really hold onto the brass. How do your hands feel after a hundred rounds?

@christophermichaelson9050 7 лет назад

Not good ...

@barryd.thomassr.9156 6 лет назад

i'm 68 have trimmed 300 at a sitting with no major problems

@barrychouinard4019 5 лет назад

After about a hundred rounds, which is about 10 minutes, they feel fine. I know what your saying, because the finger are sore after uniforming primer pockets, but there is little to no pressure with the WFT, no fatigue on the fingers at all.

@dand579 3 года назад

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@klausvonschmitto7508 5 лет назад

I'd like to know what case to case consistency was.

@danemadsen3908 4 года назад

Easily hold plus or minus .001 on the set length. Trimmed 250 .223 in 10 min. or less.

@danemadsen3908 4 года назад

Holds plus or minus .001 on set length. Trimmed 250 in less than 10 minutes. Used a cordless drill.

@jad2484 3 года назад

Bullshit...those things suck shit. Unfortunately I have wasted my money on 3 of them. If you just want "spray n pray" ammo their good but for precision ammo...no frickin way. They aren't .001 accuracy.

@dand579 3 года назад

@@jad2484 I bet this trimmer can be 0.001" accurate - if all the brass are identical to the reference brass, especially if all the brass are within 0.001 case overall length. A lot of ifs...

@DLN-ix6vf 2 года назад

are those pieces of cut brass flying all around ?

@jamesfreeman6025 Год назад

It is.

@DLN-ix6vf Год назад

@@jamesfreeman6025 With my Franklin Arsenal trimmer I removed the cutter and replaced it with the cutter and pilot that was on my Hornady trimmer , now the case is easier to install and far more stable. Then I took one of my pill cases and modified it then with a little duck tape installed it on the trimmer to catch the flying brass pieces. Works great. All for no extra costs. ps: McJ Tools has a cutter & pilot for sale for $20.00

@TALLA300CforumZ 7 лет назад

what do you think about this tool lee deluxe quick trim case trimmer

@Ultimatereloader 7 лет назад

I haven't used it yet, but will be showing it in the next few months as a part of a project coming up, stay tuned!

@TALLA300CforumZ 7 лет назад

cool cant wait to see what you up to

@sdvten 7 лет назад

Skip the Lee quick trim. I have the deluxe and it stopped holding a consistent length after less than 400 pieces of .223 brass. And it requires constant cleaning to remove the chips. Better off just spending the money on the WFT.

@TALLA300CforumZ 7 лет назад

do you know why its not working that well ? just picked one up

@sdvten 7 лет назад

The deluxe version relies on spring loaded thin punched spring steel blades to do the cutting and chamfering. The spring looses its ability to hold a consistent cutting length of time. The plastic adjustment collar wouldn't help. Before I stopped using it and throwing it in the drawer (around 700 .223 cases) it couldn't even hold + or - .010" on the trim length. At that case count the chamfering was nonexistant too, had to do that manually.

@Physics072 2 года назад

Nice part but the 2ndary cost of the metal lathe is a bit steep.

@hendrepitout117 4 года назад

Sudami makes a similar trimmer and here is what I found; the trimmer is not remotely accurate and results in case lengths to differ up to 1 mm. The reason being that after fireforming the shoulder in the brass does not expand uniformly (tested first fireforming ) The accuracy of this trimmer depends on the shoulder fit in the trimmer and with initial expansion the shoulders are not uniform , resulting in unequal case lengths.

@glennzink8957 3 года назад

You only trim after resizing a case

@mikeposner3969 7 лет назад

I think you should have mentioned that cases need to be sized before trimming with the WFT. This way referencing the case shoulder will result in the correct trim length every time.

@trpshooter9945 5 лет назад

What part of 00:30-00:34 is so hard to understand?

@richlabombard6780 5 лет назад

trpshooter He’s asking a question.

@repairfreak 3 года назад

Why would you want a neck trimmer that references off the neck, doesn’t the whole body of the case length get longer after a full length resize? Aren’t some pieces of brass and of different brands going to very in overall length after resizing, and aren’t we desiring to return all the Full Length resized & shoulder bumped brass back to max overall length SAAMI specification?

@yugbe 3 года назад

Can you sell me some of those primers you have on the shelf and some of the 8208xbr??? J/k (But really, Ill buy)

@mightyjoeyoung1390 2 года назад

Is it just me, or does that bench look EXACTLY like the Bolt Action Reloading channel's bench??!!

@StephenB2 7 лет назад

I'm not a very big fan of those types of trimmers. I've had one before and it's not super accurate because it indexes off-the-shoulder. I went ahead and sucked it up and bought the Dillon RT 1500 and haven't looked back since. if you're serious about reloading go ahead and save up the cash and get a great trimmer like the Dillon RT 1500 or if you're not willing to spend that kind of cash suck it up and get one of the manual ones that index off the full length of the cartridge.

@ranger5309 6 лет назад

Stephen B great info! I was worried about the idea of indexing off the shoulder! Just got an older RCBS trimmer!

@eddieb9110 3 года назад

So where does that variation go when you use a trimmer that references from the case head?

@StephenB2 3 года назад

@@eddieb9110 you measuring the true oal when its measured from the case head. When you go off the shoulder there are Variations in the length between the shoulder and the case head and your assuming there are none. All I know is that I had alot of issues when I had a trimmer that used the shoulder to measure from. When I started using trimmers that measured off the case heads the issue was resolved. I hope that makes sense to you. If not I might be willing to do a video on it to better explain it.

@eddieb9110 3 года назад

@@StephenB2 , that variation from the datum point to the case moutj is still there. You just don't see it because you are measuring from the same reference point that your trimmer uses.

@6Sally5 7 лет назад

Looks like a very nice...and expensive tool. I'm very satisfied with my Lee Quick Trim, however. It chamfers inside and out while trimming to length in same amount of time...maybe faster.

@Boodge-hc9jl 3 года назад

00:34 "mayshurmint"

@TheNapalmFTW Год назад

That irks me too

@dennisgray7509 3 года назад

But you still have to chamfer and debur

@jonybgoode1 5 лет назад

hi...maybe next time,you might want to mention for the new comers....that its wise to go ahead,and resize your brass first,before trimming..but,your description did say "overview" and not a complete tutiorial on brass trimming...not trying to be a internet troll..lol,, nice job,clean work bench too!!

@Boringunguy 5 лет назад

Why would you trim before resizing anyway... just stupid.

@jonybgoode1 5 лет назад

no need to start with the immature comments..id explain why I feel my comment made sense,but not to someone like you...

@jayman7935 4 года назад

I'm glad it is working for everyone. It is not for me. Cant keep a constant cut length. Same brand and lot of brass. Fired from same bolt gun.

@jayman7935 4 года назад

Full sized brass. I am new to reloading. Dan asked if I had mixed head stamp brass. I do have mixed. I have only worked with it a few times since. People love the product and I am NOT saying anything negative about their products at all. Just a bit frustrated. I stopped messing with it and shifted focus to pistol reloading. Best I get my basics down first then go back to learning rifle reloading

@jayman7935 4 года назад

@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 I've seen it. I like that guy, good info. 76Highboy is the best though lol

@henryian 7 месяцев назад

Id prefer my entire casing was involved rather than just the tapered part of it.

@trevorfurlotte 5 лет назад

Too bad they don't trim all brass to the length you set it to. Even when brass is resized in the same die they still don't all trim to the length you set it to. Even brass with the same head stamp don't trim to the same length. I'm told its because of the difference in how the brass springs back after being resized because of the difference in brass quality between batches.

@superkillr 5 лет назад

IMO, alot of that can be mitigated by annealing the brass before sizing.

@crio2366 Год назад

great if you want to still chamfer & deburr in separate ops. OR if you wanna throw brass shavings all over the place. I'll pass! Get a Giraud tri-way!

@TexasTrained 3 года назад

its not all that when you have to buy one for each caliber.

@happyhome41 2 года назад

Cheating. I don't have a lathe (would love one, though).

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