WGS17 Session: The Ideology of Ignorance 

Alf Johns first of all that talk was in Dubai not in Saudi, second of all I've attended 23 talks that covered EVERYTHING in Saudi Arabia in the past 3 months, from diagnosing political corruption to the possible applications of atomtronics, and that guy is now a member of the saudi council, because he is smart he was rewarded with this position. Please, I beg you not to base your opinions on media, it is hard I'm aware of that, I mean the US is the sole producer of 1/3 of media productions in the world after all, but try hard to be a skeptic of everything you hear.

sobel2000 The guy you're talking about was actually executed not put in jail, but it wasn't due to criticizing religion. He was involved terrorist attacks in the eastern district of the Kingdom. For your question about Ibrahim, the answer is absolutely! He is a well respected individual in the Riyadh society, and roaming the streets all the time without being harassed at all.

@@LameGeneration91 he gave rhe same speech in Saudi too but not as lengthy.

Jan Davis I think that he's more accurately criticizing the obsession with religion to the point it becomes a superiority complex or ethnocentrism.

Fool. He is a 24 hours practising Muslim. He is telling opposite. Quran emphasizes education. Quran demands free thinking. Quran discuss evolution. That is what he is telling.

He said Religion is everyday for Muslim. That is what he said.

Just another contribution, Thales got his knowledge from the Sages of Ancient Egypt (according to the greeks themselves).

@@joefreeman3772 It isn't knowledge, it is worldview that matters. And there is not a shred of evidence that Ancient Egypt made the jump that Thales did. If they had => their civilisation would be different. Yes, various Greeks visited Egypt. But the spirit of inquiry was in the Greeks, not the Egyptians. There have been brilliant men in India, China, Egypt that have discovered a few things. Brahmagupta for instance. But show me his pupils that transmitted his thinking after he died. There aren't any. Too many people think that acquiring knowledge had belong to all the nations. It isn't true. What matters is the fact that you can form hypotheses, do test cases, confirm your hypotheses. That is science. And I don't see that way of thinking present in all nations. Finally Ibrahim Al-Buleihi confirms what I am saying, as does Robert Pirsig in "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance" as does the Wiki article on Thales. Quote on Thales in Wiki: Thales is recognized for breaking from the use of mythology to explain the world and the universe, instead explaining natural objects and phenomena by offering naturalistic theories and hypotheses. Almost all the other pre-Socratic philosophers followed him in explaining nature as deriving from a unity of everything based on the existence of a single ultimate substance instead of using mythological explanations. Quote from Robert Pirsig: One must first get over the idea that the time span between the last caveman and the first Greek philosophers was short. The absence of any history for this period sometimes gives this illusion. But before the Greek philosophers arrived on the scene, for a period of at least five times all our recorded history since the Greek philosophers, there existed civilizations in an advanced state of development. They had villages and cities, vehicles, houses, marketplaces, bounded fields, agricultural implements and domestic animals, and led a life quite as rich and varied as that in most rural areas of the world today. And like people in those areas today they saw no reason to write it all down, or if they did, they wrote it on materials that have never been found. Thus we know nothing about them. The "Dark Ages" were merely the resumption of a natural way of life that had been momentarily interrupted by the Greeks. Early Greek philosophy represented the first conscious search for what was imperishable in the affairs of men. Up to then what was imperishable was within the domain of the Gods, the myths. But now, as a result of the growing impartiality of the Greeks to the world around them, there was an increasing power of abstraction which permitted them to regard the old Greek mythos not as revealed truth but as imaginative creations of art. This consciousness, which had never existed anywhere before in the world, spelled a whole new level of transcendence for the Greek civilization. The Immortal Principle was first called water by Thales. Quote from Ibrahim Al-Buleihi: "I am not against learning [from others]. What I wanted to clarify is that these [achievements] are not of our own making, and those exceptional individuals were not the product of Arab culture, but rather Greek culture. They are outside our cultural mainstream and we treated them as though they were foreign elements. Therefore we don't deserve to take pride in them, since we rejected them and fought their ideas. Conversely, when Europe learned from them it benefited from a body of knowledge which was originally its own because they were an extension of Greek culture, which is the source of the whole of Western civilization." Now you show me whom in Egypt broke from Egyptian mythology, doing the same jump as Thales did. I am not aware of any individual.

@@joefreeman3772 Also there is not a shred of evidence that Thales ever visited Egypt or other Middle Eastern country. He could have done, but if he did, we have no record of it.

World Shaper I know this is late, but he’s well respected and a member of the Saudi parliament

This took place in the UAE, not Saudi Arabia.

@@PopcornLegend I know. But does the royal family agrees with him in secret.

@@mal-a.6888 Do you know what country he is citizen to?

@@worldshaper1723 He is a citizen of Saudi Arabia, and this took place in Dubai, United Arab Emirates in 2017. Unfortunately this sort of event would not be popular in Saudi Arabia, it's borderline taboo.

El Mo Try changing the location in RU-vid settings

I am watching in North America

@@robertcarey8237 They must have changed the settings. my comment is from 2 years ago you used to get a warning, this footage has been blocked in your region.

M Al-A. Thank you for your reply. Now I understand.

break it down, under hitler germany rose from ashes to a superpower, that dosent mean development

Kinda of a hypocrite and manners of a traitor that man but idk. Makes just normal sense though a bit on other matters

they didnt destroy iraq, they destroyed the bloodshedder sadam hussein who slaughtered his own people and tried to take over a neighboring nation.