in this video i think about possible downsides and upsides for fe2! consider subscribing cause idk Play Flood Escape 2! MASSIVE THANKS to Astrojox_ For the fire thumbnail! Forgot to put it here sorry lol. Also discord: / discord
thanks for astrojox FOR THE THUMBNAIL!1!1!1!!1! also note: (forgot to add in video): I was gonna ad AFB as a good timelines but but it got edited out for some reason so idk. Also another reason that makes Snowy Ridge a good map is that it shows now almost anyone can make a map, cause timelines is like 10x easier to LEARN, not necessarily 10x BETTER.
It's pretty obvious that the biggest noise about the downhill arguments comes from hardcore and pro players rather than the new and/or casual audience, me personally I've actually gotten much better at FE2 when I came back to it this year as compared to when I stalled in 2019 because I couldn't beat blue moon(and now I have beaten AVM), I think FE2's okay as it is on the precipice of getting crazy+ maps. Also a side note; LB and other fangames are horrible at optimization on my machine whereas FE2 still runs smoothly so on lower end devices FE2 holds a decisive advantage over other games
Yes, I am a pro player that does find fe2 boring, but there are people I know who arent that good that dont really like fe2 as much. Back then there was hype for beating a map, but now the hype is gone. And the boosting makes you play the same maps over and over again, so if you arent that good it would take a long time to actually progress, which makes players bored.
I cant possibly get better because I can't figure out how to load the crazies into community maps, and without music it makes it much worse. And when I go into ANY public server(except for chill mode) it's very hard to play the game CASUALLY, as every round has the hardest maps. I find it very hard to get better again.
I think it’s definitely getting better, even if there are some very dislikable flaws, they could easily be fixed. Thanks for considering Snowy Ridge a good, if not the best Timelines map btw. It totally deserves its spot, no matter what you think or what you like, it’s absolutely amazing.
I feel like. The downhill of fe2 is when crazy didnt update the game for 2 years. It would have more player than now if crazy was updating the game on that years
It's so sad that fe2 is barely getting people, since all the recent updates that helps the game a lot, it just recieves over 100-200 more players. (v57 update was the peak of players active getting 2,000 players active this year) I hope v59 and crazy+ maps are added to the game will help getting more players because i don't want fe2 to die fr
imo its going downhill because crazyblox is making horrible decisions. fe2 had a working physics engine but crazyblox decided to just demolish it. lowering truss jump power, not being able to airdive on walls, and even a lower jump power for some dumb reason. and then porting old maps isn't allowed anymore and legendary jewels will never see the light of day again. every week, crazyblox will take some random-ass map and highlight it and thats the only thing map creators care about at this point. nothing in the game feels creative anymore and fangames are way better at this point. the only thing keeping the game alive is the amount of people that play the game.
The player count doesn't indicate that a game is going downhill or uphill. Obviously these updates weren't made to please everyone because that's impossible. Physics will get improved over time even if they kinda stink at the moment. Harder maps will not bring all that much joy to players anyway, cuz it's the same story of beating avm and just quitting because there's nothing left to do. FE2 wasn't meant to be a hardcore game, it's just a silly flood game which was made to be played for fun to those who like playing games that aren't too difficult or too easy. There are other things to do in the game as well even if you do beat all of the maps, you can try looking for shortcuts to beat the maps faster, or attempt the leaderboards to show off how good of an escapee you are. Beating a lot of maps in a row is also a thing you can strive for. Grinding stats is also there if you ever feel like wanting to work hard for big numbers. FE2CM players aren't as important to the main game because they are just better off playing FE2CM, the place where all the cool and difficult maps reside. I personally don't like playing FE2CM much, I did beat some difficult maps but I just don't enjoy having to die 200 times to win just once. I play the main game more because I just genuinely like playing easier games rather than difficult or complex ones. What I'm saying is, the game doesn't need to adapt to the players, the players need to adapt to the game if they want to have fun in it. There are games meant for sweaty players, there are grindy games which are made to push one's patience to the limits, there are games which push your skill level to the maximum just because it's more fun to play when you are good at something. Let FE2 remain a game for the casual audience, the more people get introduced to FE2 the better, older players do occasionally revisit the game to either beat new highlights or just for nostalgia. There's no need to make the game any harder than it already is, I know many players who quit the game because it got too hard for them or too confusing to keep up with it changing. You won't be able to forever sit in a single game, no matter how many updates are done, you will eventually switch to something else. All games die, just some die faster and some last for decades, think of it as RNG.
Wow, RESPECT! Bro made a whole essay! And yes your points are good. But this isnt about long term survival, its like saying everyone will eventually die… Yes the game will eventually die like all, and the game doesnt have to be hardcore. But thats not the main issue, the main issue is how the majority of people see it. You may think it will all go down or it doesnt need to be hard-core, but in the end there are more people who will quit bc of other reasons contradictory to yours.
@@spkdd Everyone quits for different reasons, most often because either they didn't like a new update or they just got bored and switched to other games. There were many other reasons players quit, like their favorite glitches being patched, they got banned for exploiting, physics update which broke something, or just simply moving on with life.
Fe2 is going uphill with newer players, but much older players like me will probably quit regardless of what crazy+ maps gets added. The fangames just have more mechanics and creativity, and just better maps, the most fun I have in maingame fe2 is still blue moon, even though I can beat crazy+ maps. Each time a new map is created, for me, its just more boring then the last one, not sure if its me or just people not knowing how to make gameplay. Add in the fact that the Fe2 community will implode each time a drama occurs, I just don't care about this game or the even fangames anymore. What, like 5-6 years for only ONE additional poorly thought out mechanic??
Can say this as a newer player which played FE2 for around 3-6 months, the game is great but issue is i just lost the addiction after a bit. Maybe it's because I quickly started getting better as I grinded the game, or I just very simply have a short attention span, but the game did get boring.
Thats not exactly accurate considering how everytime I join fe2, the map intensity is always getting boosted to an insane or crazy level meaning new players can not get any fun out of dying
0:54 you shouldn’t make maps just because you want them to be highlighted, the only reason why he wants his map to get highlighted is because he thinks his map is cool enough to get highlighted, however, he probably didn’t read the guidelines for getting your map highlighted
Yea, I've quit and joined back a buncha times and I think last time I played was probably after PC was added or something. For some reason I just don't get the same enjoyment out of the game anymore.
yeah nos astra is cool, but can you tell me how playing osu has anything to do with escaping a flood? Also at the time of this video, a crazy+ had already been announced as coming to fe2 in 2023. Also a lot of the maps you put in just arent better than fe2 maps at all, let alone 'way better.' Nos astra is a 'cooler' map than for example: snowy stronghold, but it really isnt a 'flood escape' map because half of the map has nothing to do with a flood and is just random minigames.
You have to put the other things into consideration. The game will get boring, and the other fangames have honestly alot more effort put into it. Most of them get good updates when fe2 only adds maps as an excuse for an “update”. Also much more reasons why.
@@Mini_Animation-zh2qc it is not completely laggy but it is better. Also if you have a better pc you can clearly tell lb and tria is more smooth then fe2.
although the game has gone downhill, the player count has remained steady. lots of work is still being done and overall, the community can hold itself together, most of the time. i think at this rate however, eventually, in many years, the game will die out. but only minor fixes, adjustments, and such, could keep the game alive just a day longer.
guys rustic jug is added so the game gets a boost but im not sure about a long lasting stable boost. Ima predict 1.1k-1.5k for 1-2 month or so before player count dwindles
Still a pretty bad idea to have some of the harder maps like AVM and Decaying Silo only playable by the official game like more people would play map test if Crazyblox let them stay in map test for people to practice or solo cause grinding for maps is really annoying when your not a fe2 god cause of the cool down system
I'm just guessing that he's adding either subzero sphere or sedimentary outpost or maybe both. Both of those maps doesn't have an ost yet and I'm pretty sure once they do get an ost crazyblox will add em
The only upside of fe2 is it's map are actually beatable with devices like xbox. For fanmade ones, some maps possibly (Not sure all I know is that there is no way a xbox player can move camera very fast) might be impossible for other devices rather than pc. And fe2 actually has really good optimizations compared to other fanmade games. Yes I get it that this game is boring without hard maps but think about this, a xbox player sees you beat a incredibly hard map solo knowing he never can because it's just impossible to beat those maps on the device he is on by solo, it would be pure evil.
xbox player here! FE2's camera is very slow, especially compared to ones like Trias camera. Tria's camera takes some getting used to, but my camera movement has gotten was smoother ever since I played it a year ago
The community itself is corrupted too, the community is known to be very very toxic when there’s a drama happening another issue that someone pro fe2 players hates is that he removed leaderboards for ‘’Toxicity’’ it started due the amount oh drama about with some moderators of FE2. This is why I took a step back form that community
cool video. also, why is snowy ridge a good example of timelines? it doesn't add anything that you couldnt previously do and it's just a regular crazy+ in my eyes
well it demonstrates how anyone can use timelines. I know a few other people who really wanted to make a fe2 map, but could t because event script was hard. But now timelines has made it 10x easier for them. also i thought i added aqua flame base but i guess it didnt go through when i added the clip.
At 5:17 you can see the text “subfreezing rim coming!” Spk and Daniel are collaborating and making a sequel to Snowy Ridge. Subfreezing Rim is the confirmed name. He probably could’ve added a couple more examples, but Snowy Ridge is still a pretty cool map (aside from the lighting)
i have another examples Aqua-Flame Base A section that changes the walkspeed Cosmic Calamity V2 Great use of UI Speed of Light (WIP) Set camera position
chill mode: fe2 servers that are poor: Crazy+ is a necessary addition to the game. If we dont have it, the game might get boring for other people as well.
Maybe crazyblox will find out how to add the EventScript back without people abusing it. It will be impossible right now but when crazyblox finds out in the future he will probably add back on the next update for timelines (such as timelines v3)
I want crazy to add back fe2cm legacy. Maps like Blue Moon, PC, etc wont work on the new one AND because fe2cm is half dead, no one is updating the codes for fe2cm maps
@@spkddThey should add back fe2 CM legacy because the maps like blue moon or PC don't even work on the new version AND because fe2cm is pretty much dead, the wikis aren't updating the codes meaning we can not load maps half the time for dumb reasons like the owner not porting it (happens to almost all maps I try to load).
I actually feel like fe2 might be dead one day and that really would suck because fe2 is basically the only game I found fun but if fe2 starts to get less players then that’s going to be a very bad problem
What are you going on about Liquid Breakout and Tria are both more laggy than FE2 especially Liquid. Also, for me I can beat Insane no problem, in fact Familiar Ruins specifically is so boring I can beat in without even paying attention. I can beat Blue Moon, and am currently working on beating the other Crazies. But i’m on mobile so it’ll take longer to improve. So I don’t see FE2 getting boring at all, it’s more replayable than all of the simulators and roleplay games on Roblox even more than Bee Swarm Simulator and Shovelware Studios Hollywood. But I do agree on some of your takes here.
honestly, i think fe2's going both ways physics changes were ass, to the point where the game was basically unplayable at some point, but that's just a small issue as for the fe2cm map making scene though, it mostly feels like people are mostly making maps with the same style worst part is that at least half of these maps have some... pretty bad gameplay i have to admit (for god's sake IS IT THAT HARD TO ADD ARROWS OR MAKE A ROUTING THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE?) i still think fe2cm is going in the right direction with timelines v2 allowing for creativity, just that it doesnt seem like many maps are having the same creativity as tria, lb, or rr maps fire thumbnail btw
as a lb/tria map maker and according to shortzaz0, i had to say about the fe2 physics were sometimes wacky which makes the player fall off and the account 2fa verify for the fe2 whitelisting button is just stupid for me.
in my opinion both ways, i have been in the community from the very beginning of feclassic and the start of fe2 in 2017, fe2 was a game I hold dear in my heart seeing the state now absolutely saddened me. the physics is ass and any update to the game is absolutely minuscule only highlight or bug fix, the only good update in recent times is the timeline. the only thing that is holding this game up is the community content.
The problem is the lack of new mechanics. Pretty much just repeating what you said in the video but FE2 doesn't have anything new to offer. New maps are only fun when there's new gimmicks or mechanics to mess around with. For example: Runic Maze with its variant based gameplay, it was a different experience every time. Technically, every permanent map is the same - it is a different arrangement of jumps, ziplines, wall jumps, etc.
That’s a really good point! Every map at this point is kind of the same. It appears the community created strict gameplay standards, and if you didn’t follow them, your map would be frowned upon. No headhitters, slopes, etc. Maps kinda just got boring. Ones that broke these rules, like End of the Line were hated. Like, jeez, can’t they stop eating chicken tenders and fries at a gourmet restaurant?
@@Astrojox_ Yeah. I find End of the Line pretty annoying because the gameplay is not good, it bypasses the rules that you listed, and its almost impossible with fog because you can not even see anything
@@yangliu6901 the last major update was 6 months ago and this isnt even considered major, all the happened is rustic jungle got added. Just one map. Plus over time update’s usually slowen
You (in my opinion) are wrong, Crazy has stated he wont add crazy looking maps/ with moving objects, Crazyblox also doesnt have a great talent like alex or tony does. Well atleast i dissagree with argument 1.
Not gonna lie, I'm more on with FE2 is going downhill. Yea sure, some timelines are great and useable. But really, what else does FE2 have to offer? Other games are fresh introrductions to difficulty without CM. Plus, the fan games are miles better than FE2, as they are consistent and honestly have better updates. So, FE2 will most likely go down hill, as over time, even for me, I quit the actual game and focused on playing LB.
NO HARD MAPS??? RE YOU FRIGGING SERIOUS??? WE FINALLY GOT CRAZY+ AND I DON'T THINK MOST PLAYERS ENJOY IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO FOCUSED ON BEING DIFFICULT AND ISN'T FUN. AVM IS SO HARD BRINGING UP THE ARGUMENT THE GAME ISN'T DIFFICULT ENOUGH IS RIDICULOUS BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE AREN'T TRYHARD SWEATY NERDS WHO ONLY PLAY ON CRAZY+ MAPS. MOST PEOPLE ENJOY ACTUAL FUN GAMEPLAY
@@jameshpotato2675 so proves one of my points, a-lot of really good maps aren’t being added instead some of them being highlights. Also highlights was like the laziest thing crazyblox could have added, but he is a solo dev so gotta respect him.
As much as I hate to say it fe2 has died a lot. It has hardly anything difficult about it and almost feels like its meant to be the beginners game before you move onto tria & liquid breakout. I personally don't like liquid breakout and out of the 3 I prefer Tria since the mechanics are easy to learn and are way less janky. I'm also a developer in Tria and when it comes to a fe2 map vs a tria map the amount of effort put into the maps is exponentially different with Tria having much higher standards but also much more effort. Personally I like it this way cause that means no matter what you will almost always be getting fresh content that is both fun and really good quality. And what Tria is doing with 1.0 is so insanely different from any flood escape game it just shows how much better of a game it is. I don't want to crap of FE2 as I was playing it for 5 years but out of those 5 years only 1 of them was in the actual game. I quickly moved onto map test and then moved to Tria. FE2 is just slow, not that enticing & doesn't have any challenge to it. It doesn't ever get that much fresh content and when it does it only lasts a week and it isn't even that special. There isn't anything unique about these maps besides maybe the theme and that's it. I think FE2 has a chance to grow and get back to popularity but I don't have high hopes.
(I deleted my previous comment because I made a lot of idiotic points) i'm going to share what I think could be done to round out all the issues present in FE2 WARNING: LOTS OF TEXT. MUCHO texto. "I AINT READING ALLAT" material. 1. Lack of hard maps - Crazy+ just came out, meaning we'll get a surplus of new difficult maps soon, further bolstered by the monthly highlight system which will also include Crazy+ maps. - About the point of this being 'just another map to complete:' maps have *always* been like that. What's good about this Crazy+ map is the quality of Rustic Jungle itself. It's not the most decorated map, but it is very fun when it comes to sightreading, consistency and reliable fun gameplay. 2. Other games being better - this is really dependent on what Crazy decides to do with his game. Whether FE2 is the best flood game or not, it's still a very tried and true formula that other games can center themselves around to be built up to the heights of FE2, maybe even surpassing it. - From what I've seen, the gameplay bugs added in by different patches aren't that noticeable. It's a very seldom occurence for me to bounce weirdly off a platform. The only real gripe I have is the slide glide patch which prevents me from airdiving around walls, which I think couldve been done better 3. Highlights - I think each Anniversary update will only include maps from that year or the best voted highlights, which would be a good way to keep things managed - Perhaps try keeping tabs on who creates what maps for what purpose. If someone is frequently known to create maps just to get them highlighted, consider them less.
