As someone who does taekwondo and has done it for almost 6 years now, and not really the best at it, I’ve subscribed to you, because it seems like you really know your ways, and I feel like I will get more motivated. I had a look on your other videos and seen how you’ve improved, so I’m gonna subscribe!
In my opinion, if you learn how to do Muay Thai with a Karate or TKD stance, it'll reduce the chances of a successful takedown because you have at least one arm down and ready to react if the opponent tries charging at you for a takedown.
@@crusty2170 pfff that's not a weakness,thai fighters use that to be more comfortable with kicks and also to block elbows to head. Then try to takedown a thai boxer and you're going to get a knee strike in your mouth
Judos a great martiel art but requires alot of energy to do those throws and in mma they are gonna be hard to use but in actual self defense iudos one of the best for sure
Absolutely agree. The only drawback of muay thai is the stance, the center of gravity is concentrated on one leg at a time and its extremely susceptible to takedowns. The stance is a big part of muay thai striking. MMA almost has its own stance which draws from various different combat sports. If the athlete can adapt then they'll be deadly in that octagon.
I agree to some point, but every person is different. So one needs to find the style thats most suitable for your body. Im always imagining it like a Chess game, the one who can see the whole picture and plan just one move more ahead is gonna win for sure, no matter their martial art. Love your videos though, your progress is good, probs for that. Im practicing Muay Thai and Kung fu. One is agressive and the other one calms my mind. Never forget, martial arts are not just about fighting. Its the way to master your body and your mind.
I would have leaned more towards the Russian martial art Sambo just because in my opinion it’s the closest thing to MMA itself since it combines the three styles of strikes/striking, defending, and grappling 😅
Sambo's motions are linear, while other martial arts' motions like Judo or BJJ are rather soft and circly. This does not mean that they are worse by any means, just that they are fundamentally different. It also stands true that Sambo is not "objectively better" than other grappling arts. Like Bruce Lee said: "there are no bad martial arts, only those who know how to fight and those who don't".
San Shou, Bokator, Pradal Saray, Musti-Yuddha Muay Thai, Lethwei and Sanda are all very similar. The other arts that I mentioned are basically half striking and half wrestling. If you look at old Indian, Khmer, Thai and Chinese art depicting fighting, you will see them employing Kicks, knees, punches, elbows, clinches and wrestling.
@2hypedreadzHonestly Wrestling is the best in general. Next BJJ, then a good striking art like Muay Thai or Kickboxing. Master those 3 then you’ll be set for MMA.
One of the wildest guys I’ve ever met, was at my local MMA gym, he’s this 40 year old, 5’3 Chinese guy and the dude is a black belt in judo, a state champion in wrestling but his only striking training was in wing chun, and let me tell y’all, this mf could wreck your shit. I watched this dude chain punch a dude in the liver and then immediately step in between the guys legs and slam his shit into the ground.
Agree Although I like Kyokushin(or Karate in general) more The low knife stance helps to defend against takedowns and in my opinion mixing boxing with Karate seems a good match too(Karate for kicks and boxing for punches and you can switch stances between the martial arts or choose a kickboxing stance) For striking I would say: 1. Muay Thai 2. Kickboxing (especially dutch one) 3.Karate Ps: mixing Taekwondo kicks and boxing punches seems a good fit too
Like seeing you kickin we r same lanky physique approx same age unfortunately cant kick properly since motorcycle crash right hip right shoulder r fuckd i can only keep boxing training but still can use elbows n knee without too much pain... Dont worry about muscle worry about your joints people!!
Wrestling is usually the one you need the most. You can't get by as a bjj practitioner without it, you can't get by as a striker without it, but you can get by just being a wrestler except at the highest levels and even then Khabib made it work in the hardest weight class.
With the current rules, wrestling is slightly favored over BJJ. You spend too much time inactive on the ground they make you stand up. Wrestling favours a quick finish and thus benefits more in MMA.
I’d have to say wrestling is best cause if you’re able to get a takedown on a guy in a wrestling stance expecting takedowns, then getting a takedown on a guy in an upright mma stance who’s expecting strikes will be waaaay easier. Next thing they know you’re on top doing a ground and pound. I’m better at both boxing and bjj than I am at wrestling, but when I spar mma I always rely on the wrestling the most. That in and of itself says a lot about the power of wrestling in mma.
Everybody has there favorite but I would say wrestling is the best base for martial arts because it builds a strong mentality and gives you the ground game and grappling advantage along with the cardio advantage.
BJJ has become a MUST HAVE in nowadays MMA, if you lack ground work and wrestling expertise, then you are basically screwed if the fight is taken to the ground
@@ranggaisanjaya Yeah its kinda useless if you are fighting against multiple opponents but if you know judo and bjj + how to throw a jab, then you can beat anyone lol
BJJ and Wrestling are important but if you dont know Muay thai or Boxing, you get KO right after the right bell. So Muay thai and Boxing are even more important.
More like Kung Fu and kickboxing and wrestling than you get sanda is a style cross between boxing combos and kungfu kicks and punches combined with Chinese wrestling. It's combat Kung Fu
@@Gianno_ he probably thinks the word "art" in martial arts means karate style kata. Sambo is a soviet fighting system so I see why he thought it's not a martial art.
Thai boxer still needs to learn grappling defense at the very least. Those knees are a lot less risky in a more guaranteed dominate position too. Sometimes the grappler knows the kick/knee is coming, and being already on one leg makes things easier for them. I like uppercuts lately for countering grapplers tbh.
most don't know because they don't commonly see it but Muay Thai does allow several throws, slams grabbing arms and other body parts ECT. just no submissions or literal "ground fighting" . but definitely includes "grappling". but I grant you many Thai fighters do not use it even tho they are allowed to.
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 yeah and most karate schools practice takedowns and holds too, but how good are karate guys at grappling compared to kicking? right. same with most muay thai guys
@@typhoonic all depends like I said, actual traditional karate is generally very good. Others not so much unless the individual just happens to be good at it.
@@typhoonic and although yes they do practice and train and use a lot of kicks , practically speaking in real life karate would mainly very selectively use the most practical ones in the optimal situations. Outside of that they would use short range striking and various joint manipulation, throws, a lot of striking weak points of the body with hard points of yours ect
@@typhoonic very powerful footwork and balance, efficient manipulation of forces , applying force in opposing directions ECT lots great concepts which apply very well to grappling/defending against it
I love training Muay Thai, however, the stance is too narrow for MMA, it’s just a free takedown for the other person. If you’re purely a Muay Thai fighter, and you want to do MMA, adopt a wider stance.
That’s right but you can’t put every martial art on the same level, some are more effective for MMA because more suited for fighting. You can’t compare Muay thai with Kung fu bro… let’s see an Mma fight between an expert of thai and an expert of kung fu without kickboxing base, no doubt about the end
Chang Hung Taekwondo (prolly butchered the name) is probably not the best for competitive sparring like Muy Thai, it is probably one of the most lethal martial arts for self defense, as it was literally the main technique South Koreans used to kill soldiers in the Korean War because they didn't have enough ammo to kill soldiers. We are taught to deflect bayonets, knives, head smashes, all sorts of fun stuff lol
There is a example of this working in the ufc, Charles Olivera stands in a Muay Thai stance for better striking, if he gets taken down he can use his world class grappling. But who is gonna take Charles down??
The downside is good strikers especially ones from Muay Thai (Imo the best stand-up game in MMA) struggle with wrestling and BJJ because stand up fighters struggle to develop good grappling and the stance etc just don't work well.. they invite takedowns. However, a dude with amazing wrestling generally learn good striking. But, a striker that learns good BJJ or Wrestling (Or both) tend to become absolute beasts.
@@iROChakristraight up wrong. Jon jones, DC, Henry cejudo, Mighty Mouse, Kamaru Usman, Dominick Cruz, Aljo, the list goes on. The amount of UFC champions who wrestled growing up dwarf any other martial arts in terms of a BASE art. Wrestling breeds a toughness and a grit that separates the best of the best at the top. So many wrestlers don’t even use their wrestling (Gaethje, Porier, Dillashaw, Colby Covington) because they became elite strikers AFTER a lifetime of wrestling. Wrestling is the BEST BASE for mma and the proof is in your face screaming at you in the form of UFC champions
@@RJ-gk4rt Cant be any more wrong. No one even uses a grappling stance in ONE and UFC. No grappler is good enough to go fight a MMA dude either in the entire fighting history. We only need strikers who deem good enough to try to fight MMA dudes. Again, striking beats grappling all the time and striking is a basic foundation to every fighter, grappling is just an add on.
Wrestling is better most of the time, because bjj is meant to be effective on large opponents and in MMA the weight is usually similar between the fighters
As someone who has done Muay Thai for the last 10 or so years, it’s definitely top tier for striking. Just objectively speaking, it provides the greatest variety of attacks (second of course to luthwei, but headbutts aren’t legal in most mma orgs so whatever) Personally, tho…and what I think the consensus is amongst most pro analysts and fighters both….I think wrestling is the single best martial art for a base. Not only does it allow you to dictate where the fight will go, the training involved in wrestling and the entire culture around it, focuses on building discipline and rigiorous physical peformance.
Muay Thai and BJJ get you right. Covers about everything. However, there's nothing wrong with going further. Learning more. Every martial art has something good to offer.
Good thing I do Muay Thai and BJJ . . I also do Krav Maga, Boxing, Kickboxing, some Judo, and recently just started Taekwondo. Next thing on my list to learn is HEMA, but that’s wayyy into the distant future
karate has ground game it was just removed when it was being modernised like if you take a bit of traditional karate shit bout to go down in the octagon
I think BJJ is better over all wrestling is good for teaching that explosive & bare backed grappling techniques but it also leaves you really open to a bunch of different submission techniques that due to its lack of submissions aswell as the fact that you won't be able to get that same explosive ness without the shoes & because you can't win by pin in BJJ just like MMA it teaches you a better mindset on that regard especially when we take into count the no gi techniques BJJ is like the Muay Thai of grappling it just teaches you more in a more similar sport not to say that Wrestling & Boxing aren't valuable just that they are the best bases in comparison also as a side note while I think they are the best bases there is a reason why Boxing & Wrestling are still in the conversation because you can't just bring in Muay Thai & BJJ because even though they are much more similar they aren't the same & that little tiny difference will get you absolutely bodied in the end which is why adding that Boxing & Wrestling emphasis into your game is absolutely necessary to become a great Mixed Martial Artist
Problem with tkd is the fact that the kicks are all foot heavy. And feet are brittle, break easily, and don’t provide the same damage that a shin does.
Muay thai (striking), Wrestling (take down), and BJJ (submission) has always been the most common and popular combination for MMA. Also it is true that Muay thai stance is bad for MMA, but so is Wrestling stance. Muay thai stance invites take downs whereas Wrestling stance invites KOs (Thats why no one ever uses Wrestling stance in MMA). MMA needs its own stance to strike and defend take downs and it varies from fighters to fighters ie MMA stance is 75% striking and 25% grappling stance.
@@mrgamelegion263brown4 the best working judo techniques work in no gi like o goshi harai goshi o uchi gake most leg techniques should work only the shoulder throws are a risk
Boxing and wrestling always did it for me, good amount of footwork, height leveling, training is always a kick in the ass, and offense and defense always have a nice balance that's not too overwhelming, only weakness is speeds we're not ready for and ranged leg kicks but wrestling should prepare you for that grapple 👍
As a boxer, I completely agree. That said, a bladed boxing stance is probably a but better for MMA in terms of takedown defense, but for the offensive techniques, clinch work, and kick defense, you can't beat MT
lol what? Maybe you've had some unfortunate experiences but in terms of ego and arrogance, Muay Thai is pretty low. Sure, they can be extremely prideful but still remain humble. It's always the boxing or TKD guys in my experience
I feel like the only reason why some people doing muay thai have huge egos is because it is considered (most of the time) the best solo martial art, so they think that they are better than others at times.
Yeah sometimes the Muay Thai comments do get a bit annoying lol, nothing against the style but some of the practitioners seem to think no other style can touch them
You people are like comic book nerds comparing fighting styles. No one style is going to give you a complete arsenal and pitting different styles is childish. Real life is not tekken.
@@miguelortega388 yeah wrestling is great, especially the mindset and work ethic but its not fair to say they destroy muay thai or other combat forms. Look at how fighters like Jose aldo, Renan Barao (both muay thai fighters) and Robert whittaker completely neutralized wrestling. You dont need to put down other martial arts to lift up wrestling
agree. i also could add SOME styles of okinawan karate, especially this one which focuses more then usual on groundwork, so a little mix of 3-5 styles of good chosen karate styles could be a nice combo aswell. you would miss out on a lot of knees and elbows though as they arent very utuizlized. and another goated option would be wing chun, i do not know a lot about it, but it's line hypothisis and barrage of vertical punches could be a nice combo for mma. and lastly, and maybe not least, is tkd. i know, i know, tkd on it's own is NOT ideal for mma, but it's distance control and kicks would be good against a grappler and takedown guy, obviously, on it's own, it's uh... yeah, it's not good.
Having done some stuff (very minor) with striking and grappling and trained with some people of different disciplines For me: - Muay thai/Dutch kickboxing, I like muay thai for low leg kicks, elbows and knee technique but I feel like Dutch integrates a better flow between boxing and kicking and in turn leads to a more intuitive flow for dirty boxing (bareknuckle) clinchwork setups - Wrestling/BJJ, love love love wrestling, I was made a better person for having wrestled even only for a few years in a relatively insubstantial period of my life (middle-highschool, ~3 years), the environment and encouraged behavior in wrestling is as close as I could get to the Muay thai schools in Thailand, everyone wanted to get better no matter what. Not to mention wrestling is very straightforward in terms of fundamentals, and both carry over to virtually all grappling disciplines (definitely thinking about Sambo) That being said, having that mobility and precise control of all planes of movement, producing explosive force and lifting from extremely uncouth positions is where BJJ shines Basically: Wrestling was my base to build onto with BJJ, parallel to that (as much as I could handle), I would definitely recommend going for either muay thai or dutch kickboxing (regular boxing if you can't find a gym, then self teach your leg kicks as well as use Sylvie's muay thai library to your advantage)
I think all of them. Mma is basically it’s own martial art at this point. Kickboxing/muy Thai/ boxing are all used by everyone and so is wrestling/ judo/ bjj. Learning the best parts of each is the best. That’s what makes Jon jones so dominant
Sanda is another one. It includes a lot of the same standup tools of Muay Thai -- most notably a very dynamic kicking arsenal -- but actually has an even more expansive repertoire of takedowns than Thai boxing.
I’ve done taekwondo for a long time and have also learned some boxing and I’m going to study some wrestling so I can handle myself if I get taken down. These vids have been helping me perfect my technique and become stronger, so thank you
id say wrestling is the most important, its necessary as a striker to avoid going to the ground, necessary as a grappler to get people to the ground, and you can even win fights with wrestling alone
If you are talking about striking then I agree, but the ruleset is much more geared in favour of grapplers so to start I'd say wrestling or bjj are needed always, but wrestling like boxing are the arts of positioning, so that is the reason why I'd say you should start with those
Muay Thai and BJJ are the best if you can only learn one martial art, but they fall off compared to the other ones that combine better with each other once you can learn more than one, such as boxing, wrestling, and judo
Respectfully I disagree. Well, I don’t disagree, you’re right but I think there’s a better mix. As a long time striker I never wanted to admit it but grappling is king. We are wrestling animals. If you’re able, Combat Sambo and Judo are a great mix. If you can’t handle that intensity (most probably reading this) and/or don’t have Sambo near you (most probably reading this) learn wrestling then sprinkle some BJJ on top after you’ve gotten decent with wrestling. If you’re looking to get in super even less rough and you’re maybe out of shape maybe start BJJ first then wrestling, but wrestling first then BJJ is better. Guaranteed a Thai fighter or any striking art would fail against a grappler at least 6/10 times although I really think perhaps 7-8/10 times.
I'm looking to add a striking art to my bjj. Been thinking kick boxing or boxing. But muy thai seems like a legit choice. Glad I subscribed to this channel.
I think Sanda, (which i'm a practitioner of) its really good, although lacks knees, elbows and clinch which i personally think is not 100% neccesary but is a really good tool, and sanda is not easy to find at certain areas. On the other hand a good judo style can be super useful, because even though competitions dont focus on ground game, the martial art has ground on it and being an olympic sport is easier to find close to you, with the downsight of most judo dojos being mcdojos really. Now, most mma gyms today do not teach a separate style or martial art, they teach grappling and striking for mma, and yes, there ks a difference, the only problem is that in some parts of the world like where i'm from (Mexico) an mma gym is not affordable, and thats what brings me to my next point. I think one of the best combinations to have is wrestling (folk style, grecoroman style or freestyle) with boxing, both sports are easy to find, in most cases affordable, they give you a really round game and hard physicall cinditioning and if you can find a wrestling style with submissions like catch, S.A.W. or similars, i think its even a better option FOR MMA, But at the end its my opinion and if you practice any other martial art, is in you to make it work in mma with a lot of work and discipline. 😅
