I actually forgot to include a bit about the Irish but I did read about it in relation to the north/south split. One example: He said people from south and north Wales genetically have "fairly large similarities with the ancestry of people from Ireland on the one hand and France on the other, which we think is most likely to be a combination of remnants of very ancient populations who moved across into Britain after the last Ice Age."
Apparently, the river (Neath) which runs through the middle of Neath, the town where I live, was at one time the border between 'Welsh' Wales and 'Irish' Wales so it's possible that my father's family has some Irish lineage. Then centuries later, in Victorian times, my mother's family emigrated here from Tipperary. I may be more Irish than anything else. History is a funny (and interesting) old thing.
The Deisi and Ui Liethan in Dyfed, Carmarthen, and Gower, the Laigin in the Lheyn Peninsula, and the Feni (Northwestern Irish) in the land which became the Kingdom of Gwynedd.
Please let me know your thoughts below... I actually forgot to include a bit more information outside the reference to the Kingdom of Dyfed about the Irish influence in relation to the north/south split. One example from Professor Donnelly in Welsh people could be most ancient in UK, DNA suggests www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18489735: 'He said people from south and north Wales genetically have "fairly large similarities with the ancestry of people from Ireland on the one hand and France on the other, which we think is most likely to be a combination of remnants of very ancient populations who moved across into Britain after the last Ice Age."'
The Roman historian Tacitus in his book Britain and Germany was the first to notice this difference between the Welsh and other Britons. He compared the Caledonians/Picts with the Silures of south Wales. He noted that the Caledonains/Picts resembled the Germanic tribes, while the Silures resembled the Iberian tribes. The reason for this was because Wales had less Bell Beaker folk settling there than the rest of Britian during the early Bronze Age. So the Silures still looked like the Neolithic peoples who in turn were much darker like the Iberians.
@@celtictuathism4585 All Britons during the Stone Age would have been Atlanto-Mediterranean. The Bell Beaker invasion reduced the Stone Age population to around 10% during the early Bronze Age. Nevertheless more of them appear to have survived in Wales than elsewhere in Britain. Welsh DNA has more pre Bronze Age influence than either Scottish, English or Irish. This can sometimes be seen as phenotypicaly different. i.e. the steriotypical dark Welsh person.
Was there a connection between Wales and Cornwall since both had been thought of as Celtic nations? Can anyone recommend a site on Cornwall or books? My great grandmother was born in Camborne. She married a miner from the area. All the men in my paternal line are miners and a handful met their deaths in the mines. Any suggestions on where to even start looking for info?
@@southernlady5085 The Cornish are Brythons, as are the Cymru, the Bretons, the Cumbrians, and many other people in England. We share languages, though they have become distinct from each othersince the Anglo-Saxon age. Additionally, both southern Cymru and Cornwall were settled by the Ui Liathain and other septs from Ireland in the era following Roman occupation. Celtic Myths and Legends by Peter Berresford Ellis is a good place to start in terms of Cornish legends.
Would love more information on this! My family is genetically Southern Welsh on my mom's side, and my husbands family is largely Northern Welsh on his dad's side, and we are just fascinated by all the history since discovering this.
1:00 Wales is also mountainous. So they're sheltered from any genetic influence. The Welsh are descendants of British Beaker folk and 10% Stone age survivors. They're genetically detached from any population. Including Celts and Romans. Conquest doesn't mean genetic influx of course.
i was born in south wales, as was my father and grandfather. but my family came to south wales from wiltshire in 1850. my ancestor married a welsh women from cardinginshire, they settled in margam area, so my heritage is welsh.
Informative as always your videos Celtic culture is little known especially in Italy although we had gaulish presence here we need informations about your great civilization. Thanks my friend! 😊 🇮🇹🇮🇪🏴🏴
Apparently, there’s a village or two up in the mountains in northern Italy where the population has been practically untouched from Roman times. I can’t remember what it was called, just that I was surprised this little Celtic outpost survived the Roman conquest. Trying to jog my memory, I found the village “Fiumalbo” which is supposed to be a Celtic village but idk if it’s the one I’d heard of before.
The word "civilisation"...pertains to living in towns. Hence mostly not the Celts - we had an advanced society, culture, aetwork etc....but were very strongly rural. The first city in Ireland was Waterford...created by Vikings. The Welsh & Irish Druids all revered Anglesea ( Mona )....the Vatican of Druidism.
I have no Irish dna whatsoever, nor in my family tree. My Welsh ancestors were from north east Powys, around Meifod, Mochnant & Mechain, which were cantrefs around the Vyrnwy. What surprised me the most was that it was not the English, nor any other foreign invader that killed our royal house of Mathrafal, but that of Owain Gwynedd, another Welshman. Roedd o’n gas. I curse him! I believe my Welsh ancestors were there from the year dot…you can go back and back and they’re still Welsh!
I am 96% Brythonic ( Cymric) my DNA was used in the Stonehenge skeletons Project done for Cambridge and English Heritage which showed people from Ceredigion were at the building of Stonehenge, my Family History on my Mother and Fathers side is from Ceredigion, my mother died many years ago I am 88 but my father died last year at 106, both my lineage lines are from Farming and Teaching Preaching etc, but has always been in Ceredigion, for instance we own Lands that have been with us for over 850 Years, but before that we were already on these lands for over 5 Millenia, my Fathers DNA was slightly the same as mine apart from the Iberian on his was 2% with no Gael mine was 1% with 1% Gael , the Brythonic DNA of the Cymru is very similar to the Skeletons but much more with the area of Ceredigion also there were NO traces of Germanic in the DNA and they place the DNA similar to the Pictones ( Picts ) and Bretons of Western France also there are still people of the Pas De Calais who have these Genes they are the same as Britons, Gallois was actually Cymric and was still spoken into the 20th Century in Northern France and Belgium. Diolch yn fawr i chi, prynhawn da.
I'm Welsh and my maternal grandmother was English, but my DNA shows no English it show Welsh 70% Irish 19% Scottish 9% and 2% Swedish-Danish. How strange is that, I don't know much about my grandmothers family as she was essentially ostracised after she married my Welsh grandfather. Her family were devout Catholic and my grandfather Welsh Baptist, so I can see some compatibility issues.
A small correction on the pronunciation of “dyfed”, you said it like (da-ved) when it’s a (duh-ved). The ‘a’ sound makes it sound more like the Welsh for David (Dafydd). Gwynedd was spot on though.
The term "after the last Ice age" seems disingenuous as it could be any time period ever. People often think Neolithic farmers or iron age Celts, being, after the last ice age. But the reality is British natives from a Single Grave variant of the Bell-beaker culture.
The old Belgians from very old Belgian on the seaside areas and lower and who spoke a Belgian P Celtic language can solve a little bit your mistery. Do a study on those 3 old Belgian tribes from old Belgium and a little bit lower. There are some links. There was a landbridge in those days, the channel didn't exist and they were hunting after Reindeers in the somer who went to old Britain and came back in the winter. There where at least 4 important Belgian Celtic waves in the past. Greetings from Belgium. Some day someone from Belgium will be able to reconstruct that old P Celtic language. Belgian Celtic languages, Southern Brythonnic was the closest language to that one.
I have always thought the Belgian tribes have been overlooked. I wonder how close the dna of these tribes were to the Saxon invaders. It might explain a few things.
Rhys ap Gruffudd, Prince of South Wales is my 26th great grandfather. (Birth:1123...Dynevor Castle, Llandilio, Carmarthenshire, Wales...in that same line Einion ab Owain, Prince of Deheubarth is my 32nd great grandfather. (Birth: circa 935 / Death: 984 (44-53) (killed in battle by Hywel and Iestyn ap Owain ap Morgan Hen)
Interested, since the west coast of England from Wales up to the western lowlands of Scotland, was called the “Hen Ogledd” (the Old North in Old Welsh), and connected culturally to Wales. From the British Peoples study it suggests another distinct Neolithic era group in the Hen Ogledd who were Brythonic, were also “Welsh” so to speak - which really meant they were “waleis” or foreign to the Old English/Anglo-Saxons.
If I recall correctly, in or around the 10th/11th century Flemish settlers came as weavers to take advantage of the wool produced in Wales. I found ancestors from Wales in my family tree. They were Normans, or at least French who came with the Normans and settled in Wales and seemed to blend in with the population. Bryant was the surname that made it to Virginia colony in the 17th century
I have heritage from across Britain and Ireland in my family tree from the paternal side so there’s probably some Welsh in there too going back 🏴💯
I'm North Welsh (Anglesey) and my DNA was tested years ago and came back as indigenous pre-roman something or other, I was just glad not to be English lol. I didn't think much to it, being the amount of time that's past I would have thought the DNA of everyone would be a mix. That being said It also showed I had 5% Neanderthal DNA.. But I'm not and neither is anyone in my family Ginger and that supposed to be a Neanderthal trait apparently ? IDK. As for North Wales and South being different in looks.. yeah I agree with that, we do look different. North Welsh being V.pale Brown green eyes, brown hair. I can't tan. Still a very interesting video, ta very much !!!
I'm from the South East of wales and mine came back the same, a mix of briton tribes around the todays boarders. Very interesting. My family on my mam and Dads side are quite swarty with curly hair also.
I've heard that there is a genetic similarity with the Basques. The two countries have such similarities that I would be surprised if there was no connection.
It is my understanding that Britain had a strong Neolithic component originating from Anatolia starting around 6000 years ago and ending around 4300 years ago with the arrival of the Beaker people. Genetic studies suggest the Beaker people replaced the Neolithic population of Britain by 90%. Do you know whether any of the distinction between the people of north and south Wales has anything to do with ancient Neolithic and Beaker ancestry?
The near oldest arrival of r1b in ireland eu 18 is said date to around 6000 yr this is concentrated in conaught. I ve also found reference to r1b western scotland 7000 yr
English is a Germanic culture and Germanic language. So therefor they’re Germanic. Not to mention a large % of the English genetic make up, especially in the south of England, is Germanic.
Brilliant analysis of the Welsh. The Welsh generally were darker skinned,dark hair and dark eyes. Have more rounded faces and shorter in height than their fellow british kin. South Wales had a lot of mix from the English over the last century or so so generally lighter skinned and lighter hair, although physical traits of their welsh ancestors is still quite strong. I have noticed having visited all over Wales many many times.
Hi Colin what you're describing is exactly what my family looks like 😁. On a family holiday to Ibiza an English couple even asked my father if we were from Iran or Iraq due to our colouring and hearing us speaking Welsh to one another 😂😂
@@aledmorgan4889 Well in the end we are all closer or further related.^^ I am just curious how much of history can be traced back with our own DNA Well sometimes people have a really bad idea where you a from. I visited Austria with my ex (she is from Hongkong) and I accidently spoke English to the host instead of German.(Happens if you talk and think in English all day) This lead her to ask me whether Iam from Hongkong, too. She said I kinda look asian. I a tall blond German was kinda flabbergasted :D
You're right mate, I actually forgot to include a bit about the Irish but I did read about it in relation to the north/south split. One example: 'He said people from south and north Wales genetically have "fairly large similarities with the ancestry of people from Ireland on the one hand and France on the other, which we think is most likely to be a combination of remnants of very ancient populations who moved across into Britain after the last Ice Age."'
@@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine the Irish invaded Anglesey and the kingdoms of hen ogledd sent a combined army of 10,000 men to push out the invading Irish. And while doing so, they lost some of there land to the Anglo Saxons
How do you extract this from the DNA info on Ancestry?? I’m so close in finding my roots. It’s been a dream to find my ancestors’ countries of origin. So much was lost after people came to the USA. My Norwegian relatives even changes their names to sound more English.
@@southernlady5085 I tested with 23andme and then downloaded the raw data and uploaded it to a number of other sites. I am not sure whether or not Ancestry tests for Y-DNA and MTDNA, but other sites such as FTDNA offer an extensive insight into these features.
The one maddening thing about the British Isles study is that, great... the people of Wales are genetically the closest to the original inhabitants of the British Isles... who were what? What haplogroup? I2a? The Old North and the Cumbric language was supposed to have extended all the way up to Strathclyde Scotland (the Britons), and the Wallaces and others were said to have migrated to that area from Wales (hence the name), so why don't we see that Northern Welsh DNA in the DNA of Strathclyde?
It could possibly still be there but only a small margin. The stories of hen ogledd mention that a lot of the people in the kingdoms moved into what is north east wales and all so the Cheshire area after the Anglo Saxons invaded them. There’s a story that mentions that the kingdoms of hen ogledd formed an army of 15,000 men to help push out the invading Irish in Anglesey, and while doing so they lost a lot of land to the Anglo Saxons.
Hello. I took a trip to Ireland. I asked around on what connection the Irish have with the Welch. The most common answer I received was 'that the Welch belongs to the continental Celts, particularly Bohemia. Is that something you have heard?
How do you know that the Welsh are close to the earliest inhabitants of Britain after the ice age ? How do you know who these first inhabitants were if, say, they were a small population, mainly eliminated and left little genetic trace. You only know that the Welsh represent (mostly) an earlier population group than all the later ones that being more recent are more easily detectable. I suspect that the earliest inhabitants would have been very low population-density hunter gatherers, largely displaced (though not to the extent that they will have left literally zero genetic trace) by farming people whose ultimate origin would have been Asia Minor and the middle East (and who spread through Europe through 2 main routes, along sea coasts through the Mediterranean and Atalantic coasts and through central Europe via the Danube valley). Farming will have sustained much higher population densities and so would have overwhelmed the hunter gatherers in the gene pool. Next there seems to have been (so I have read) a significant turn-over of population in the British Isles around the mid to late 3rd millenium BC, probably associated with the arrival of, or knock on influence from, the spread of people from the East European/West Asian steppe who were also associated with the spread of Indo-European languages. All this before we even get anywhere near the arrival of Celtic (speaking), Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Viking or Norman incomers with their own distinctive genetic admixtures.
Great info, Welsh nationalists like to invent the notion of a single Welsh polity prior to the Act of Union 1536, however south and north Wales spent more time fighting each other than anyone else.
That may be true in Wales, but the Welsh who lived in England (i.e the native Briton tribes) spent more time fighting with the invading Anglo Saxons/ English. In some areas, Briton/ Welsh kingdoms allied with each other against the Anglo Saxons. The tribes living in (what we now call) Wales wouldn't have been bothered by the Anglo Saxon/ English for a long time so they would have continued to fight each other, and would have identified with their tribe rather than any kind of national identity because 'Wales' didn't exist and is an Anglo Saxon creation. They likely would have identified as 'Briton'. It was the Saxons who began calling them 'Welsh' and basically treating them as 'other'. it was the native Britons/ Welsh living in south east England who took the brunt of it from the invading Anglo Saxons (we can see this from the recent DNA studies that shows a 75% population replacement in south and east England). And they continued inwards taking more land from the Briton tribes i.e the Welsh. Until they got to the land that hat we now call Wales. The same thing happened in Ireland, warring kingdoms (one king even invited the Normans to come and help him against another Irish kingdom), but became united when the outside oppression started.
@qetoun The fact that the different principalities and lordships of Wales were at times at war with each other is neither here nor there. They still saw themselves as Cymry - i.e Welsh and definitely not English. Even if some of them occasionally allied themselves with English kings and barons, it did not make them English. The massive indicator of Welsh nationhood of course was Welsh Law. The Law of Hywel Dda that codified the manner of contract, rights, penal order, criminal law, civil law, the Welsh royal courts etc etc. No matter if Gwynedd sometimes fought Deheubarth, they all observed Welsh Law, not English law. That, together with the Welsh language, were massive features of Welsh national identity in this period.
Interesting video on Welsh DNA, however, the constant use of the anachronistic geopolitical term "British Isles" is disappointing and, at times, misleading as you occasionally erroneously include the island of Ireland under this term. Nomenclature is important and should always be historically correct in the context used - note your incorrect use of the term "United Kingdom" in reference to the Anglo-Saxon, Viking and Norman invasions and subsequent settlements on the island of Britain. The terms now used and preferred by both the UK and Irish governments are, depending on context, "Britain and Ireland", "UK and Ireland" or simply in general conversation "these islands" etc. This allows for both the geographic and the contemporary political situations to be recognised and fully understood. Excellent content in your videos - congrats. By the way, checkout the "Irish DNA Atlas" project finding published in 'Nature Magazine'.
So northern Welsh are different than southern I was in North part of Wales and people was friendly How is on the south? I am waiting for yours opinions
Yes, the make up of north wales is close that of the area around the Baltic Sea and the theory is it was hunter gatherers from that area who kept moving west towards what we now call north wales. Where as south wales have a genetic make up close to that of northern Spain and the basques
I think the Welsh and the Irish were, in the beginning, the same people. I believe they sojourned up from the Basque people of Spain, just like Bede said. But thousands of years ago, the British Isles was still connected to Europe, so they didn't boat over, they walked to the new land and settled in. As ice caps melted further up north, the land mass began to flood, creating the Celtic Sea, & English Channel, and causing the British Isles to separate from Europe. And lastly, the Irish Sea separating the two groups: Irish on one side, the Welsh on the other. Only God knows exactly how they first arrived, but one thing for sure, at some time in the distant past, the British Isles were not isles at all, but was connected to the European land mass.
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This information is all wrong if you are talking genetics. For example. You didn’t even mention the romans who where colonising the land for hundreds of years and missy of the leftovers of them ended up inhabiting wales. So in-fact the Welsh are the most genetically Roman in the British isles.. you only mentioned the Viking, Norman and Saxon invasions who where all pretty much identical genetically to each other
@@dm607to play devil's advocate here, I don't think Ancient Roman dna would easily show up as Italian, considering modern Italy is very mixed in an of itself with North African/Arab/Greek in the south, and Germanic in the North. If someone has strong Romano-British blood, it may well just show up as only the latter. Just my theory though, could be dead wrong.
Rich families in the world government sponsored by the Rochelled family decide to keep the English occupation in Ireland, Scotland, Palestine, Walse and Falkland F. Northmans
or basically the English are great political administrators and we are great rulers. God wired Anglo-Saxon brains to be affective governing political bodies. And adept conquerors. So for now the English rule these lands by conquest and administration. Except Palestine also what does this has to do with the Northman? The Scandinavians have been absorbed.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 The English were conquered in 1066 by the Normans, there hasn't been an "English" ruler since then, Much of English culture was replaced with British culture derived from colonialism, Those old Norman bloodlines still control all the land & wealth in Britain today, the English are a poor enslaved race with Stockholm syndrome who celebrate their Norman oligarchs. The Irish population culture & language were pushed to the point of extinction but we never forgot we were Irish, we refused to be made British. or bow to a foreign monarch. I feel genuine pity for my English cousins. Free England!
@@MrSuileile the English mingled with the Normans on all classes of society making your point nulled and invalid, the Normans replaced the original Anglo-Saxon nobility but new ones rose to gain titles and in general English and Normans mix. As French dna is between 11-43%, Anglo-Saxon dna is 25-47% so not significant overlap, 9% Norwegian Danish thanks to danelaw, 5% Swedish cause Rollo and his Vikings that settled Normandy were Swedes, And Brythonic dna from Britons in Britain and Bretons the Normans brought. The English aren't the slave race of the Normans nor are the two different races, shared Celtic Germanic blood who intermingled with each other and with Normans Anglicizing and English Gallicizing created the English who we are today. Myself come from high class descent, you can easily dismiss me as Norman but likely half Anglo-Saxon blood as well, as surnames in my genealogy have both. The average English person I met has pride in both and many customs and architecture comes from both. The English and Irish btw have a different mentality, English colonizers still see themselves as English and have government positions in English colonies, Irish diaspora cry having to tell the Irish that stayed in Ireland they're related while homeland cousins hoard the identity for themselves with no "cousins across the pond" mentality of kinship
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 I'm amused that you felt the need to omit the Irish contribution to British DNA at 23.4%, the average DNA makeup in Britain is more than 60% European including the Irish. But that does not address the cultural issue i raised, for that we can return to the history books, the record of marriages & family Tree's, they did their best to keep the English down & out, The English were not the colonisers, they are the colonised, all colony's claimed by Britain were done in the name of a foreign crown which had conquered England in 1066, the fact that your coloniser located it's corporate HQ in London is of no credit to the English. It might surprise you to know that the largest immigrant group in Ireland are the English, there's no ill will toward the English, just the British, you chaps still don't seem to understand that distinction. Just know that when the English are ready to free themselves from the shackles of British rule, their Irish cousins will be rooting for them☘
My hen daid’s family came from the Iberian Peninsula prior to the English Channel to Harlech Cymru(which approximately 2 hours from Cardiganshire). The Welsh were conquered by the British in the 13th century and the Welsh Dragon gets no recognition on Grest Britain’s Union Jack. Even though Wales is a different country from England and Scorland in the UK. I am Canadian that still has family in England and Wales from my mum’s side of the family. My English side is Norman and Anglo-Saxon from my hen nain’s side of the family. The Anglo-Saxon part from the Netherlands and Belgium than Germany from my mum’s mother’s side. Scottish and Irish with a bit of French from my father’s side. Anglo-Saxon and Irish from my mother’s father’s mkther’s side and unknown possibly Scottish or French from my mother’s fsther’s fsther’s side but I don’t think ancestry.com and 23 and me are accurate from my aunt’s results or Grest uncle’s results nor would be 100% accurate if I was to do it? As those DNA tests do make errors like any Stsndsrdize testing scores via machines.
